[03:58] <len-dt> ailo, fun fun. Also, take a look at the conversation I had on #ubuntustudio. with newagepunk/DataJuggler. How has he installed that is different from what we tested?
[05:01] <len-dt> Is it just a strange keyboard language setup?
[05:10] <ailo> len-dt: I'm pretty sure he didn't choose the correct keyboard layout
[05:10] <ailo> Let me check about the audio group for amd64
[05:12] <ailo> len-dt: groups works for me
[05:14] <len-dt> Well he says he has the wrong KB for the language
[05:15] <ailo> When you choose keyboard layout, you also need to specify the exact layout. There are usually multiple for each language
[05:15] <ailo> For example, Swedish has about 5 or more
[05:16] <ailo> Most are for language minorities
[08:59] <smartboyhw> knome: I'm wondering: Why isn't there a "Get involved" section in ubuntustudio.org?
[09:01] <knome> smartboyhw, i don't know. i'm not managing the content
[09:03] <smartboyhw> knome: Then who is? I thought you manage the website...:)
[09:03] <knome> i only helped create the website style
[09:03] <smartboyhw> Oh, sorry, knome...
[09:04] <knome> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio-website
[09:05] <smartboyhw> OK, that's weird, I will ask someone later then. Thanks knome
[09:06] <knome> no problem
[09:17] <smartboyhw> BTW, why isn't there a "Upgrade Ubuntu Studio" in the ISO QA Tracker? astraljava please fix it.
[10:01] <astraljava> smartboyhw: It wasn't supported before due to the DE change. For 12.10, we could enable it again, but we won't for precise.
[10:02] <smartboyhw> astraljava: Thanks, but what do you mean by DE change?
[10:02] <astraljava> Desktop environment, previously we had GNOME 2, now it's XFCE.
[10:03] <smartboyhw> Oh, so now since it's more stable, I think we can add it to 12.10
[10:04] <astraljava> Well, it's possible. The question is do we support it.
[10:04] <smartboyhw> astraljava: Why not?
[10:09] <astraljava> I'm not 100% up-to-date on all changes in the project-related packages, we'd have to start testing it and make sure all transitions are in place. Granted, gut-feel suggests there aren't that huge changes this cycle, but I'm not overly confident before I get enough results. If you have time, please run it a few times, with a mixed application set.
[10:09] <smartboyhw> OK
[10:19] <smartboyhw> astraljava: Can you help the problem in #ubuntustudio for a bit for Jonny1?
[11:17] <smartboyhw> astraljava: Ignore the previous message, no need now.
[11:52] <smartboyhw> scott-work: Why isn't there a "Get involved" section in ubuntustudio.org? I asked knome, he said it's other's job to manage the content
[11:52] <scott-work> smartboyhw: there are probably several reasons for this, which i will share
[11:52] <scott-work> smartboyhw: but what information would you put there?
[11:53] <smartboyhw> No, just wondering there should be one... Maybe info on dev and testing and documentation?
[11:54] <scott-work> we have talked about putting something there but sometimes it becomes difficult to actually accomplish something when you can't agree or define exactly what must be done
[11:55] <scott-work> maybe we should start by defining the problem:
[11:55] <scott-work> "users do not have an easy or informative way to learn about contributing to ubuntu studio"
[11:55] <scott-work> perhaps?
[11:56] <scott-work> could we add to the statement or change it to be more accurate? take something away?
[11:57] <scott-work> smartboyhw: oh, just to help you understand his position - kn.ome is the lead for the xubuntu team, which ubuntu studio shares many of the programs, and has graciously helped ubuntu studio with the web development, he's not really responsible for it though
[11:58] <smartboyhw> Wow.....
[11:58] <smartboyhw> I agree with the problem definition
[11:59] <scott-work> it is harder than it looks :P
[11:59] <scott-work> i agree with you that something probably needs to be done
[12:00] <scott-work> i think it is obvious we need something there to help people transition to contributing to ubuntu studio, but defining _what_ is was became very difficult
[12:00] <scott-work> however, smartboyhw, if you want to think about it and through out some ideas...well, that would be very, very helpful
[12:01] <smartboyhw> So where can I spit out those ideas on?
[12:01] <smartboyhw> ;)
[12:04] <scott-work> the mailing list is a good place that is transparent and easily accessed
[12:04] <smartboyhw> OK, I will write a email to it.
[12:04] <scott-work> smartboyhw: how are you doing on the documentation for ailo?
[12:07] <smartboyhw> scott-work: Still need some time, I'm a bit busy these days
[12:07] <smartboyhw> ;)
[12:09] <scott-work> smartboyhw: can i ask that you finish the documentation _befure_ you start other tasks?
[12:09] <smartboyhw> OK
[12:09] <smartboyhw> Just wondering!
[12:09] <scott-work> this isn't to pick on you, this is a common issue with all of us :P
[12:10] <scott-work> _everything_ is far too interesting to complete anything before moving on to the shiny, new, exciting next item ;)
[12:10] <scott-work> happens to me as well
[12:11] <smartboyhw> !
[12:14] <smartboyhw> scott-work: kidding, but will there be any changes to the 12.04.1 image now?
[12:15] <smartboyhw> BTW, since I'm busy these days, I will install 12.04.1, then continue to work on the documentation.
[12:33] <scott-work> smartboyhw: i am not aware of any changes for 12.04.1
[12:34] <smartboyhw> Thanks scott-work
[12:34] <scott-work> it would have been nice to have an updated lowlatency kernel for 12.04.1 though
[12:35] <scott-work> *sigh* but i guess that is partly my fault for not talking to apw instead of waiting on him
[12:35] <smartboyhw> scott-work: ...
[12:35] <scott-work> which reminds me...thanks astraljava for sending out an email for the ISO testing
[12:35] <scott-work> smartboyhw: yes?
[12:36] <smartboyhw> scott-work: ... means *sigh* for me:)
[13:13] <smartboyhw> astraljava: Status report on upgrading: Upgrading from 12.04 to 12.10, will tell you the results later
[13:26] <len-dt> ailo, scott-work I am just looking at the docs for module-jackdbus-detect. They are very sparce :) but it is possible to have the bridge default to no auto connect.
[13:27] <smartboyhw> len-dt: You happy with 12.04.1?
[13:27] <len-dt> I am going to test this
[13:27] <smartboyhw> Well, you tested it already, didn't you?
[13:27] <len-dt> smartboyhw, I am as happy as i can get. It would have been nice to use 12.10 as LTS
[13:28] <len-dt> the testing is about pulse.
[13:28] <smartboyhw> len-dt: I agree about 12.10 being LTS
[13:29] <len-dt> However, the next LTS... if there are no big changes in DE, should be really nice
[13:30] <smartboyhw> len-dt: Memory problem: I forgot what is DE
[13:30] <len-dt> Desktop Environmet
[13:30] <len-dt> In this case xfce
[13:30] <smartboyhw> Ah, yeah, let's see will there be an update on Xfce
[13:31] <len-dt> 12.04 has xfce4.8 and 12.10 has xfce4.10
[13:31] <astraljava> For the next LTS, we _might_ get full GTK3 port. :D
[13:32] <len-dt> There are a number of fixes I like in 4.10. The theme still needs a few tweaks
[13:32] <smartboyhw> astraljava: You're back! Also, next LTS: +`
[13:32] <smartboyhw> *+1
[13:32] <len-dt> astraljava, I figured out how to add things to the xfce settings manager BTW
[13:33] <astraljava> len-dt: Oh cool! Do tell, I'll read the backlog later, must leave the office now.
[13:33] <smartboyhw> len-dt: Congrats
[13:34] <len-dt> astraljava, very simple just set the categories right
[13:34] <astraljava> scott-work: Next time you see an email stuck in the queue due to that too many recipients message, leave it there, I'll look into it more carefully.
[13:34] <len-dt> astraljava, in the desktop file
[13:34] <smartboyhw> :)
[13:34] <astraljava> scott-work: Any news from apw re: -lowlatency refresh on precise? We're running out of time soon.
[13:43] <scott-work> astraljava: sent apw pm about it
[14:12] <len-dt> ailo, I would suggest adding to your controls starting pulse with no pa-jack bridge auto connect.
[14:35] <smartboyhw> astraljava: Upgrade from 12.04 to 12.10 succeeded for me:)
[14:38] <ailo> len-dt: I've been thinking about that. Also, looking at a simple jack control. 
[14:38] <ailo> For connections, I'd use patchage
[14:39] <ailo> len-dt: I might not get that much done before 12.10 though
[14:40] <len-dt> ailo, to have pa-jack not auto connect the file /etc/pulse/default.pa has a line: load-module module-jackdbus-detect
[14:41] <len-dt> change that to: load-module module-jackdbus-detect connect=no
[14:42] <ailo> len-dt: Ok. I'll save that somewhere :)
[14:42] <smartboyhw> ;)
[14:46] <ailo> Saved in resources for -controls. I'm actually planning on making it as Debian friendly as possible. Was thinking about a name for it: pro-audio-controls
[14:46] <smartboyhw> ailo: I like that name:)
[14:46] <ailo> While the version for Ubuntu Studio would still be called ubuntustudio-controls
[14:47] <ailo> smartboyhw: Did you already post at the mentors list?
[14:47] <smartboyhw> ailo: What do you mean?
[14:47] <ailo> smartboyhw: About the package you wanted to upload
[14:47] <smartboyhw> ailo: I need to recommit, will take some time
[16:00] <smartboyhw> Well, bye for now!
[16:14] <ailo> I'm participating in a little IT course, involving php among other things for a couple of weeks. Old PC's. Was allowed to install ubuntu on one. 
[16:15] <ailo> UI performance was terrible, so I installed awesome
[16:15] <ailo> And it was awesome
[16:16] <ailo> I takes something like 30MB of RAM
[16:46] <ailo> No, sorry. 6MB
[22:28] <len-dt> ailo, the user having trouble with audio group at install printed a dvd from the iso and it was ok.
[22:30] <len-dt> The use that failed to put the user in the audio group was writing the ISO to a USB stick in windows. using Universal-USB-Installer-1.9.0.6. This is the program suggested by the ubuntu how to page.