[04:00] <len-dt> DataJuggler, thank you very much for getting back to us. Not sure when you will answer this... don't worry about that if I am not here when you next do stuff here just type... I will see it in the back scroll.
[04:03] <len-dt> First let me go through how I installed on my machines. I did not keep any of my files from the /etc directory. I kept my home directory(s) backed up on a different disk and reformatted this disk.
[04:04] <len-dt> The ISO image I used is:$ md5sum ubuntustudio-12.04-dvd-i386.iso
[04:04] <len-dt> 1129bc01b85b3c1c714bd27f68f3f2f8  ubuntustudio-12.04-dvd-i386.iso
[04:06] <len-dt> If you used the 64 bit it will be a different sum, but I am pretty sure that was tested too.
[04:07] <len-dt> the date on that file is Apr 23 16:15 (TZ -0700)
[04:08] <len-dt> I have always installed in the same way. Not because it is the only correct way, but I like it :)
[04:11] <len-dt> I always go to the live session from ISO and install from there. I generally open a terminal and do: less /var/log/syslog F so I can follow what ubiquity is up to.
[04:12] <len-dt> I do use default language and keyboard both at boot and during install (you have already said you differ at this point)
[04:16] <len-dt> I have a network connection, and select yes to download updates during install as well as to install the MP3 deal. I was at the time choosing "use whole disk", but I now choose "do something else" and they both have worked for me. For testing I use "Joe Tester" on "ustudio1204" with password "testing"... for install I use real stuff :) I use no picture.
[04:17] <len-dt> DataJuggler, I want to know anything you do that is not the same.
[04:18] <len-dt> (we may switch this to the ubunt-ustudio-devel mailing list if it gets much longer..
[04:51] <len-dt> s/ubunt/ubuntu/
[09:22] <newagepunk> hi len-dt
[09:25] <newagepunk> first: I prefer to make it with mail, because dont like to have my laptops turned on when i dont need them... but for now, heres what I did (more or less out of my memory)
[09:29] <newagepunk> under win7 64bit I downloaded the ISO file from ubuntustudio.org and "Universal-USB-Installer-1.9.0.6.exe" (i dont remember from where)
[09:30] <newagepunk> md5sum ubuntustudio-12.04-dvd-i386.iso
[09:30] <newagepunk> 1129bc01b85b3c1c714bd27f68f3f2f8  ubuntustudio-12.04-dvd-i386.iso
[09:34] <newagepunk> what date do you mean?
[09:34] <newagepunk> ls -l | grep ubuntu
[09:34] <newagepunk> -rw------- 2 p-nap p-nap 1996795904 Aug 15 20:24 ubuntustudio-12.04-dvd-i386.iso
[09:35] <smartboyhw> newagepunk: Are you having a problem to install Ubuntu?
[09:36] <newagepunk> no... well... there is something should be fixed i think....
[09:37] <smartboyhw> newagepunk: What should be fixed?
[09:37] <newagepunk> when i make a fresh installation of ubuntustudio the standard-user is not in the audio group and my keyboard-settings are not the same like i choosed in the installer
[09:38] <smartboyhw> newagepunk: On the second one, report a bug
[09:38] <newagepunk> ok, where?
[09:38] <smartboyhw> On the date one, it's the date of creation of the Ubuntu Studio
[09:38] <smartboyhw> newagepunk: On Launchpad
[09:39] <newagepunk> Launchpad? where can I find it?
[09:39] <smartboyhw> newagepunk: Or open a terminal and type ubuntu-bug
[09:39] <smartboyhw> newagepunk: Try the second option first.
[09:41] <newagepunk> oh, good to know the ubuntu-bug command.... but I should specify a packet or something, and I dont know what is responsible for this...
[09:42] <smartboyhw> newagepunk: Hmm... I think try settings-manager or ubiquity
[09:49] <newagepunk> uh... they like to have my main-password... lol...
[09:50] <smartboyhw> newagepunk: You need to give the info to us so that we can improve, but then that's weird to ask for your password
[09:51] <newagepunk> well, they ask for a special log file where the main password is logged too... and for sure i dont like this :P ....for sure i dont give this!!
[09:51] <newagepunk> however
[09:52] <newagepunk> they also say that the bug is already reported, but the reportet one is very different....
[09:53] <newagepunk> i registered to launchpad now...
[09:55] <smartboyhw> oK
[09:56] <newagepunk> but am i got it right smartboyhw, that I m in the wrong place here to give this feedback?
[09:56] <Jonny1> Is there a gui tool to edit the program menu?
[09:56] <newagepunk> because len-dt asked me for...
[09:57] <smartboyhw> newagepunk: You sure are, this is for support and feedback
[09:57] <newagepunk> ok... good...
[09:58] <smartboyhw> Jonny1: You mean the Xfce Menu?
[09:58] <Jonny1> smartboyhw: yes
[09:59] <smartboyhw> Try http://xubuntu.wordpress.com/2006/07/12/manually-edit-the-xfce-menu/
[09:59] <smartboyhw> Or sudo apt-get install alacarte --no-install-recommends
[10:00] <smartboyhw> If you want a guide, check: http://askubuntu.com/questions/54303/gui-for-editing-menu-in-xubuntu
[10:13] <Jonny1> smartboyhw: Thanks. The first method didnt work as the menu file wasnt in that path. I am just trying to alacarte
[10:14] <smartboyhw> OK
[10:14] <newagepunk> Jonny1: good luck :P
[10:15] <smartboyhw> newagepunk: I'm wondering: Did it give you the bug number? I want to see it
[10:17] <Jonny1> smartboyhw: Now the strange thing is that the wine menu doesnt appear in alacarte
[10:18] <smartboyhw> Jonny1: It only edits the Xfce menu, doesn't edit Wine, I think...
[10:18] <Jonny1> Although I thought the wine menu was a sub menu to the xfce menu since it appears in the program menu
[10:19] <newagepunk> Jonny1: I had this experience too.... and in other menu editors there it apears but you cannot remove it... but dont remember the other editors name... and it was also KDE
[10:19] <Jonny1> Wine documentation says to use the normal menu editing process for your DE
[10:19] <smartboyhw> Hmm. I need astraljava to help then
[10:20] <newagepunk> smarboyhw: sorry, dont understand your question... what does it mean with the big number??
[10:20] <smartboyhw> newagepunk: I want to see the bug number of the bug you reported
[10:20] <newagepunk> Jonny1: wait a moment, I will remember how I did it
[10:23] <newagepunk> smartboyhw: ah... sry... didn-t report yet cause i still not sure how to use it right.... will tell as soon I did reportet it.... be patient, one moment (or two)
[10:23] <smartboyhw> newagepunk: OK, I'll wait for you
[10:28] <Jonny1> newagepunk: So I made a new program icon to run wine ~/beat.exe in another submenu since I cant get to the wine submenu. Trouble is it doesnt do anything, yet when I run that command in the terminal it works
[10:33] <newagepunk> Jonny1: oh, i remember... but it was KDE, und now with xfce4 it-s different again.... under kde i found wine-menu under "myuser"/.config/"whatever" ... but in xfce4 it seems to be different.... sorry
[10:34] <smartboyhw> newagepunk and Jonny1: Try #xfce or #xubuntu. Maybe it's better
[10:34] <Jonny1> newagepunk: No worries about the wine menu. Any idea why my new shortcut wont run, yet when I type the same command in terminal it runs fine?
[10:42] <newagepunk> Jonny1: no, sorry... maybe add an    ./     in front of the command?... but for sure its a good idea to search for help in the channels #xfce and/or #xubuntu .... maybe there you will get better help...
[10:42] <smartboyhw> newagepunk: I agree
[10:45] <Jonny1> Thanks
[10:51] <smartboyhw> newagepunk: When will you report the bug?
[10:52] <newagepunk> smartboyhw: i try, i try.... but somethings always wrong :-(
[10:53] <smartboyhw> newagepunk: What do you mean?
[10:54] <newagepunk> now i cant login anymore.... it says my password is not gooood enough.... because i have no upper case letter in... but i have tons of special characters, witch indeed is stressy with the wrong keyboard layout...
[10:54] <smartboyhw> newagepunk: You mean you can't login anymore to Ubuntu Studio?
[10:54] <newagepunk> however... i tried to change password and add an uppercase character...
[10:55] <newagepunk> no.. to launchpad...
[10:55] <smartboyhw> newagepunk: Oh
[10:55] <smartboyhw> I think you should ask that in #launchpad
[10:56] <newagepunk> lol
[10:56] <smartboyhw> srsly, nothing to lol
[10:58] <newagepunk> sorry
[11:00] <newagepunk> of course you are right... i m just a little stressed cause of all this things dont work...
[11:00] <smartboyhw> OK. :)
[11:00] <newagepunk> :)
[11:18] <smartboyhw> newagepunk: So are you better now
[11:56] <newagepunk> yeah, a little...
[11:59] <newagepunk> smarboyhw: but the thing with not beeing in the audio group after a fresh installation of ubuntustudio, it's a bug, isn't it??? i mean, shall or can I make a bug-report for this in launchpad? or if not, whatelse?? cause its really not good for a multimedia distr. to not to be in the audio group!!! New users will probably think that it just dont work at all!!!
[12:01] <smartboyhw> Well, report a bug
[12:01] <newagepunk> thnxs..
[12:04] <smartboyhw> BTW, did you report the keyboard settings bug?
[12:12] <newagepunk> Im on the way :) ...I just decided to make another fresh installation of ubuntustudio, that I can report verry exact what I did... (can write with my netbook while Im installing....) .... be patient...
[16:29] <sambagirl> hi i was wondeirng if you use gnome for the desktop manager?
[16:30] <ailo> sambagirl: I do
[16:30] <sambagirl> oh so you have to do it yourself otherwise it defaults to trinity ?P
[16:31] <ailo> Just install gnome-shell, if you want it
[16:31] <ailo> You can find extensions at extensions.gnome.org
[16:32] <sambagirl> umm ok
[16:32] <ailo> Pretty straight forward
[16:32] <sambagirl> thats what they all say
[16:33] <ailo> sambagirl: :). No, really. In the terminal: sudo apt-get install gnome-shell
[16:33] <ailo> logout, and when you login again, make sure to choose "Gnome" as session instead of the default "Unity", or whatever you have
[16:33] <sambagirl> ok i will give it a shot because the reason i am still on 10.10 is because i despise trinity and the whole interface. i prefer gnome.
[16:33] <sambagirl> ok
[16:34] <ailo> sambagirl: This is Gnome3 though
[16:34] <sambagirl> bbiab chao
[16:34] <sambagirl> thanks
[16:34] <ailo> sambagirl: I've heard 12.10 will have a Gnome derivative. Still unamed
[16:35] <ailo> Or maybe later. Not sure. You might find that there are a few similarities between gnome-shell and Unity.
[16:35] <ailo> sambagirl: If you want the original gnome style, there's a for of Gnome 2
[16:35] <ailo> fork*
[16:35] <ailo> I believe Ubuntu Mint is going to use it, or already are
[16:36] <ailo> took me a couple of weeks to get used to gnome-shell. Now, I get annoyed on the other ones
[16:37] <ailo> The fork of Gnome 2 is called mate
[17:00] <tech1> where are the themes stored for window manager themes? iv made my own "appearance" theme in /usr/share/themes, but cant find out where the themes are stored for Settings> Window Manager > styles
[17:01] <tech1> oh wait they are there too actually
[17:01] <tech1> nevermind
[18:55] <coyo> good afternoon. i'm thinking about switching to ubuntu studio. i have a question: does wine 3d acceleration (such as world of warcraft) work with the realtime kernel and jack and everything, or would playing world of warcraft on the same machine as audour and rosegarden not work?
[19:24] <len-dt> coyo, Playing your game should be very similar to the generic kernel
[19:24] <coyo> len-dt: thank you for the prompt reply.
[19:25] <len-dt> jack is aways optional and has to be turned on.
[19:25] <len-dt> Pulse runs by default, the same as desktop Ubuntu
[19:26] <coyo> thank you for that clarification.
[19:27] <coyo> i appreciate it.
[19:27] <len-dt> coyo, you could try installing UStudio on a rather large USB stick
[19:27] <len-dt> (8G or larger) and try things that way without installing to your drive.
[20:03] <DataJuggler> hey, whats the difference between https://launchpad.net/ubuntustudio and https://launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio
[20:05] <DataJuggler> or do I have to ask this in #launchpad ?
[20:07] <len-dt> DataJuggler, looks like quite a lot :)
[20:07] <DataJuggler> hi len-dt ... where should i post my bug-report then??
[20:08] <DataJuggler> or shall i bug-report this to the launchpad session?? :P
[20:09] <len-dt> same as any bug. All ubuntu bug reporting is the same
[20:10] <len-dt> We are all still wondering how you managed to get no audio group...
[20:10] <DataJuggler> i see now that https://launchpad.net/~ubuntustudio has 313 members, but no related projects.... and it somehow looks like a temp-file witch doesn't got deletet...
[20:10] <DataJuggler> i did a verry exakt protocol... now i'm wondering where to post it....
[20:11] <DataJuggler> i think in https://launchpad.net/ubuntustudio
[20:11] <DataJuggler> ??
[20:12] <DataJuggler> right?? len-dt?
[20:31] <DataJuggler> Bug #1039211
[20:32] <DataJuggler> len-dt: I made a report now on launchpad in: Ubuntu Studio >> Bugs >>
[20:32] <DataJuggler> right :) ...
[20:54] <DataJuggler> so, hope that I did it right... and that it helps to solve this problems
[21:10] <len-dt> DataJuggler, The thing is we need to know why only for you.
[21:10] <len-dt> Every one else gets audio group.
[21:15] <DataJuggler> well... i did at least 5 installations of ubuntustudio and in my case it is like this... same with kxstudio... but at this moment I really don't know why...
[21:16] <DataJuggler> ...i can make a installation from dvd, perhaps it changes someting???
[21:16] <DataJuggler> (until now i installed from usb-stick)
[21:18] <len-dt> It might be different... The only thing I can think of that you do different is making the USB stick from windows. I think all of us have done it from linux.
[21:18] <len-dt> That would be a different ISO installer.
[21:19] <DataJuggler> ah... maybe: the program in win witch make the usb-stick bootable extract the iso to the usbstick...
[21:19] <len-dt> I would like to test that theory, but I do not have a win machine in the house.
[21:19] <DataJuggler> :-)
[21:20] <DataJuggler> best I burn a dvd and look what happens then....
[21:20] <len-dt> Yes it does and... it does not write the iso to the USB stick but copies the files from the ISO to the stick.
[21:20] <DataJuggler> right
[21:24] <len-dt> do you remember the name of the windows exe for writing the ISO to USB?
[21:30] <len-dt> DataJuggler, There are a number of bugs against WUBI.EXE
[21:32] <DataJuggler> the exact name of the exe file is "Universal-USB-Installer-1.9.0.6.exe"
[21:34] <DataJuggler> well, but I never touched WUBI... afaik...
[21:35] <len-dt> No wubi.exe seems to be install from windows after the stick is made.
[21:36] <DataJuggler> i know... did you read the bug report?
[21:37] <len-dt> Ya, the only thing that sticks out in the writing the USB from windows. It should work but I don't think we tested that.
[21:37] <DataJuggler> I made a dvd now under ubuntustudio with k3b... lets see what happens...
[21:38] <len-dt> Great that will tell us if it is something else.
[21:40] <DataJuggler> uh, its already little different... :)
[21:41] <DataJuggler> the main menu: exept of having the 'test dvd for errors' it is somehow mixed language... first point in english and rest in german...
[21:42] <DataJuggler> maybe my computer's just a little... aahm... funny??
[21:42] <DataJuggler> :-)
[21:42] <len-dt> Ya, tha would be because we don't have someone in our group to do all the languages
[21:42] <DataJuggler> ah, ok...
[21:44] <len-dt> I think we have english and french
[21:48] <DataJuggler> maybe I can help... depends on the amount...
[21:48] <len-dt> To be honest,I don't know what is involved.
[21:49] <DataJuggler> well, almost everything's on german in my installation...
[21:51] <len-dt> There are actually a lot of Linux audio users in that part of the world. At least it seems like half the people on the Linux Audio Users mail list are.
[22:00] <DataJuggler> well, the faulty grafic is still the same in this installation from a real dvd...
[22:02] <len-dt> Which one?
[22:02] <DataJuggler> the keyboard layout is also still wrong...
[22:03] <DataJuggler> when i move the install window the background behind stay gray...
[22:03] <len-dt> Oh, during install?
[22:04] <len-dt> When you select install from the boot menu?
[22:04] <DataJuggler> jup...
[22:04] <len-dt> Ok I think that is a known
[22:04] <DataJuggler> ok..
[22:04] <len-dt> There is no graphic there.
[22:04] <DataJuggler> but good news: user is in the audio group...
[22:05] <len-dt> I wonder what the difference is in the windows ISO to USB writer
[22:06] <DataJuggler> no grafic there? but when i move the window and move it back, it stays gray even it was blue-n-something bevore...
[22:06] <DataJuggler> wonder too...
[22:07] <len-dt> Ya, the blue was left from boot somewhere. but there is no running program to keep redrawing it.
[22:07] <DataJuggler> ah, ok... nevermind... it's not important...
[22:07] <len-dt> To be honest we were so happy to have a live ISO working we haven't got to the details yet.
[22:08] <len-dt> We felt things like getting the user in the audio group were more important.
[22:08] <DataJuggler> but let me try to make a new install with creating a usbstick out of linux...
[22:09] <len-dt> Sure.
[22:09] <DataJuggler> yeah man!! I'm sure you did a great job.... and think it was just in my special case... but it is :P
[22:10] <DataJuggler> what prog you use to make a bootable usbstick in linux?
[22:10] <len-dt> Well writing the ISO from windows should have been tested.
[22:10] <len-dt> I use the one that comes with Studio
[22:10] <DataJuggler> name?
[22:11] <len-dt> Startup disk creator
[22:11] <len-dt>  in the menu.
[22:11] <DataJuggler> found it....
[22:11] <DataJuggler> ..."Startmedienersteller" ... :-) ....in german
[22:12] <len-dt> Ya, anything that comes from the base ubuntu install has more languages.
[22:12] <len-dt> A lot of that stuff is on a per application basis
[22:53] <DataJuggler> but again, and just to have it said: graphics in the installer... the install window change size, so the gray ocours automatically..... and while installing, at the stage of when the slide show is happening, the window is a little bit to small, so there are slider at the right and at bottom. And this should be just a small adjustment...
[22:55] <DataJuggler> but in the end nobody cares about this :-)
[23:01] <len-dt> DataJuggler, The scroll bar problem seems to be fixed in both 12.04.1 (out real soon) and 12.10
[23:02] <DataJuggler> ok... good to know... so I don't report it again... :-)
[23:02] <DataJuggler> just finished the install from usb (made in linux) and the user is in the audio group
[23:03] <len-dt> DataJuggler, are you going to add that the audio group problem is only from a usb stick made in windows?
[23:03] <DataJuggler> but install process felt very slowly compared to the usb-install made by win
[23:03] <DataJuggler> jup... on the way to...
[23:03] <len-dt> Thanks.
[23:04] <len-dt> Maybe some files didn't make it with win.