[00:17] <ochosi> mr_pouit: ok, how do you put me in the loop?
[00:17] <ochosi> mr_pouit: (didn't receive any emails or pings so far...)
[04:47] <pleia2> knome: need to update twitter link on your blog :)
[08:40] <knome> pleia2, ah, will do
[15:07] <elfy> anyone know what package to file a bug for if there is an error with something in the menu? 
[16:23] <ochosi> mr_pouit: what was with that lightdm discussion you mentioned yesterday?
[16:23] <ochosi> elfy: you mean the application menu that sits in the panel
[16:23] <ochosi> ?
[16:24] <elfy> yea - the click this to get to the menu's 
[16:24] <elfy> little blue mouse - long and short is - help fails 
[16:24] <ochosi> that's a bug in the xfcepanel
[16:25] <elfy> ok - known about one is it then 
[16:25] <ochosi> https://bugzilla.xfce.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=Xfce4-panel
[16:25] <ochosi> you have to select "applications menu" as component
[16:25] <ochosi> but before you do that, browse if there is a bugreport already
[16:25] <elfy> oh lord - do I really have to create a xfce bugzilla account :(
[16:30] <elfy> found one there and a LP one 
[16:30] <elfy> exo-open bug apparently
[16:32] <elfy> I think it's one mr_pouit knows about https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qimo-session/+bug/1002253
[16:34] <mr_pouit> xfhelp4 doesn't exist anymore, so if something is still calling it directly, it will fail
[16:35] <mr_pouit> (if too many things still rely on it, I guess I'll put it back, afaik they reintroduced it temporarily in opensuse)
[16:35] <elfy> the help button in the menu is doing so - calls xfbrowser4 
[16:36] <mr_pouit> oh yeah, same for xfbrowser
[16:36] <elfy> I assume there are bugs already for that then and no need to duplicate
[16:38] <mr_pouit> I'm not aware of existing bugs for that, so feel free to report them ;p
[16:38] <elfy> ok - against xfbrowser ?
[16:39] <mr_pouit> if it's the help item from the xubuntu menu, it's in xubuntu-default-settings
[16:39] <elfy> ok - thanks mr_pouit 
[16:39] <mr_pouit> e.g. if you change  /usr/share/xubuntu/applications/xfhelp4.desktop manually and it works, it's xubuntu-specific :p
[16:40] <elfy> I just changed xfbrowser4 in the menu item to firefox for me 
[16:59] <elfy> mr_pouit: well changing xfhelp4.desktop doesn't appear to make any difference - but I reported it https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-default-settings/+bug/1039117
[17:17] <pleia2> fmolinero is trying to do some testing, can someone give him a hand? (I'm at work, can't break away right now)
[17:17] <fmolinero> Hi
[17:18] <elfy> hi fmolinero - if I can help I will
[17:18] <fmolinero>  I am triying to do my first test
[17:18] <fmolinero>  but when VM starts
[17:18] <fmolinero>  I received the message:
[17:18] <fmolinero>  This kernel requires the following features not present on teh CPU:
[17:18] <fmolinero>  pae
[17:18] <fmolinero>  Unable to boot
[17:19] <elfy> aah - long time since I used a VM 
[17:20] <knome> hmm. i'm wondering if you can run PAE-stuff in VM, if your CPU doesn't support it
[17:20] <fmolinero> ok
[17:21] <elfy> have you got it turned on fmolinero 
[17:21] <fmolinero> no I have not
[17:21] <elfy> right click the vm OS - settings - then system - processor
[17:22] <fmolinero> ok
[17:22] <knome> oh, right! :)
[17:22] <knome> yeah, stupid me..
[17:22] <elfy> if it's disabled and your real cpu does not have pae then I'd suspect knome is right
[17:22] <fmolinero> but the problem is the VM is setup by Testdrive program
[17:22] <elfy> can you change the settings though ?
[17:23] <fmolinero> wait
[17:23] <fmolinero> I will try
[17:24] <knome> elfy, what i'm wondering is if you can enable PAE altogether if the physical CPU doesn't support that, eg. can you simulate PAE :)
[17:24] <elfy> yea - if pc doesnlt have it and vm settings doesn't let you - I'd assume not 
[17:25] <fmolinero> The VM alow me to use PAE
[17:25] <elfy> k 
[17:25] <knome> turn that on, and booting should work
[17:25] <fmolinero> but when Testdrive setup de VM machine does not use this feature
[17:26] <elfy> ok - but setting it and booting now it works?
[17:26] <fmolinero> wait
[17:26] <fmolinero> it works!
[17:26] <knome> i'd imagine testdrive generally is able to support pae
[17:26] <elfy> cool :)
[17:26] <knome> great
[17:26] <fmolinero> thanks
[17:27] <fmolinero>  I realized I do not need to bott from Testdrive
[22:09] <micahg> awesome, the ISOs went up another few MB
[22:09] <knome> hehe
[22:20] <micahg> are any of our testers on slow connections
[22:22] <GridCube> i am, sadly that fact has made me not to test anymore
[22:22] <GridCube> i cant get images fast enough to do anything with them
[22:23] <knome> GridCube, what happened with your ISP? 
[22:23] <knome> GridCube, or you? :P
[22:24] <GridCube> i don't know, im getting up to 30kb/s!!
[22:24] <knome> call them and say "GRR"
[22:24] <GridCube> well sometimes it goes to 300kbs but only for like 3 minuts
[22:25] <knome> seriously, have you checked your cables? :P
[22:25] <knome> what are you paying for?
[22:25] <knome> 300 or 30?
[22:25] <GridCube> 300
[22:25] <knome> yeah, call them and say you aren't getting what you are paying for
[22:25] <GridCube> its a 3Mb connection
[22:26] <knome> and tell them to either drop the price to 10% or raise the speed to 100%
[22:26] <GridCube> i did, it turns out im at the edge of the telephone lines, they need to replace all the cables and improve their oversold technology
[22:26] <knome> aha
[22:26] <knome> so tell them you want a discount for not getting what you pay for
[22:27] <knome> are there other ISPs around?
[22:27] <knome> would they have better networks?
[22:27] <GridCube> sadly no, but they do have better networks
[22:27] <knome> or are they using the same backbone
[22:27] <knome> they? the same ISP?
[22:27] <GridCube> no
[22:27] <GridCube> other companies
[22:27] <knome> aha
[22:27] <GridCube> television cable companies
[22:28]  * micahg thinks he just found 15MB  to reclaim
[22:28] <knome> so why don't you take one of those?
[22:28] <micahg> Bug #1039264 
[22:28] <knome> micahg, ooh shiny!
[22:28] <knome> that's quite a lot comparing to other stuff we thought we could drop
[22:28] <GridCube> the nearest one cables go 30 blocks away from my house, i hope they tend cables to this area soon
[22:28] <knome> GridCube, i totally wish good luck
[22:29] <knome> if not else, just make your own connection
[22:29] <micahg> there's another 20 or so unaccounted for, I think it's fonts related
[22:29] <knome> i can send you some extra cabling and connectors
[22:29] <GridCube> :P
[22:29] <GridCube> i could buy satellital internets
[22:30] <knome> GridCube, that sounds hi-tech
[22:30] <micahg> ok, so I'll stop pursuing the "nuclear" option of xz compressing in squashfs then
[22:30] <knome> micahg, the "worst" we can do for Q is just blacklist that package?
[22:30] <micahg> knome: nah, if Luke doesn't fix it I will
[22:30] <knome> okay, great
[22:31] <knome> i'm quite certain luke will, though
[22:31]  * micahg would just prefer to spend his vacation doing other thinsg
[22:31] <knome> if he is who i think he is
[22:31] <knome> yes, exactly him.
[22:31] <micahg> knome: I think worst case is that the amd64 live image is oversized and the rest fit on a CD
[22:32] <knome> that's bad.
[22:32] <knome> that doesn't sound like we'd have a bright future with getting the images fit
[22:32] <knome> not that it is very bright now
[22:33] <micahg> alternates fit fine :)
[22:33] <micahg> because I can xz compress stuff in the package repo
[22:33] <knome> but desktops need to work
[22:33] <micahg> well, i386 should fit on a CD
[22:34] <knome> amd64 not fitting ain't good
[22:34] <micahg> well, I might be able to pull it off...I'm just not sure if I will have the time or not
[22:35] <knome> i hope we will be able to pull it off together, as a team! :)
[22:35] <micahg> knome: well, if someone can go through that list I pasted and look for obvious problematic additions, that would help
[22:35] <knome> right
[22:35] <micahg> libflite1 was on tehre
[22:35] <knome> where is that again? :]
[22:36] <knome> i'll add that to my bookmarks this time, i promise
[22:36] <knome> i'm sure i did that last time, but it doesn't look like i did
[22:38] <micahg> meh, that looks like it's only on the alternate CD, but I think seeded-in-ubuntu is lying
[22:38] <knome> meh then
[23:21] <SkippersBoss> assroom
[23:21] <knome> watch your language.
[23:36] <knome> SkippersBoss, did you have something on your heart?
[23:37] <SkippersBoss> oops i do apologise
[23:37] <SkippersBoss> My system is seriously messing up
[23:37] <SkippersBoss> i type classroom
[23:38] <SkippersBoss> however Thanks to xubuntu stealing focus all the time half of it gets in another window
[23:39] <SkippersBoss> I seriously apologise. the cl bit went into a different window. Xubuntu is getting me into trouble here
[23:39] <SkippersBoss> :-(
[23:39] <knome> ok, no problem :)
[23:40] <SkippersBoss> it is for me :-((
[23:45] <knome> nah, it's fine
[23:46] <knome> that was actually quite funny accident, now that you told us what happened
[23:46] <SkippersBoss> :-0
[23:47] <knome> better that way than a troll.
[23:47] <SkippersBoss> oops i would never ever