[01:14] <xubuntu987> hi, I just installed xubuntu, but i don't seem to have a window manager
[01:15] <xubuntu987> After I log into the loging manager I get nada
[01:15] <xubuntu987> anz ideas?
[01:15] <xubuntu987> oh sorry, it finallz seems to have worked.
[01:15] <xubuntu987> updating and upgrading seem to have paid off. False alarm...
[01:19] <ochosi> good
[01:20] <genii-around> Again. After updates. My ubuntu, kubuntu, and lubuntuare gone and the only option in lightdm is xubuntu
[01:20] <ochosi> sounds perfect :)
[01:20] <genii-around> Hm
[01:21] <ochosi> (hope you don't mind sarcasm)
[01:21] <xubuntu987> yes, sorry about that it's been a while
[01:21] <xubuntu987> what's the best way to get texlive >2009 installed?
[01:22] <xubuntu987> use the installer from tex-live? (and not apt-get)
[01:22] <xubuntu987> will there be any problems if I do this?
[01:38] <UnknownFork> What directory is xfconf located in again?
[01:38] <Unit193> /usr/lib/xfce4/xfconf
[01:40] <UnknownFork> thanks
[05:01] <dottle> hello
[05:02] <dottle> trying to install xubuntu, the install locks up before it really gets started
[05:03] <dottle> get the splash screen with the slidy bar, then dark screen, then second splash screen with mouse cursor. The arrow changes to a circle and starts to rotate, then freezes
[05:03] <dottle> anyone with any ideas what I can try?
[05:05] <hanslanda> hello there, can anyone help me? i think its easy to do, but im very new to linux...i was changing some sound settings on XFCE and now i have no sound, just microfone..anyone?
[05:05] <dottle> try alsamixer, run it in a terminal
[05:06] <dottle> after you get sound back you need to save settings or they will revert when you boot
[05:06] <dottle> to save type: sudo alsacntl store
[05:07] <dottle> the one that made me silent was the "line" setting, it kept going to zero
[05:10] <hanslanda> hello there, can anyone help me? i think its easy to do, but im very new to linux...i was changing some sound settings on XFCE and now i have no sound, just microfone..anyone?
[05:10] <hanslanda> http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-20-08-2012-020810.php
[05:10] <tyche> hanslanda: make that sudo alsactl store
[05:11] <hanslanda> and then..
[05:11] <tyche> In alsamixer (sudo alsamixer) press F6 and choose the output you want to use.  Then exit and use the sudo alsactl store to keep it on reboots.
[05:12] <tyche> When you're in the F6 and choose what you want, you can raise and lower the volume by using the up-arrow and down-arrow keys.
[05:14] <tyche> If you're using xubuntu, then you may also have to tell PulseAudio to not use any other outputs than what your speakers are plugged into.
[05:14] <hanslanda> im sorry, but i did that steps and still mute
[05:15] <hanslanda> about pulseaudio i didnt make any change yet
[05:15] <dottle> trying to install xubuntu and it locks up
[05:15] <tyche> I had that problem in particular, since my speakers are BOSE USB speakers - and PulseAudio was defaulting to my monitor (which is HDMI) or my on board sound card (which was worthless).
[05:17] <tyche> In alsamixer, you also have a spot that says 'Auto Mute' and it's enabled.  I've never seen that before on any of my machines.
[05:17] <dottle> me neither
[05:18] <hanslanda> weird
[05:18] <tyche> dottle: what do you have for a system?
[05:18] <dottle> can you de-select that one?
[05:18] <dottle> tyche: it is an old intel
[05:18] <dottle> cobbled together
[05:18] <dottle> two disk drives and a cd-rom
[05:19] <dottle> 1.5 gig mem
[05:19] <tyche> Your video may be locking it up.  I had problems with an older machine not being able to install Ubuntu - the screen turned to large pixel hash.
[05:19] <dottle> screen looks good, nice picture
[05:20] <tyche> I've had the same thing happen with a new machine, where Ubuntu couldn't figure out what video card I had.
[05:20] <dottle> I think its a pci=e ati 6800 video card
[05:20] <tyche> I'm not familiar with ATI's, but that sounds fairly recent.
[05:21] <dottle> about year 1005
[05:21] <dottle> 2005
[05:21] <tyche> LOL, there's a bit of a difference, there.  About a thousand years.
[05:21] <dottle> just before gpu access became available
[05:21] <dottle> heheh
[05:21] <tyche> Where in the installation process is it locking up?
[05:21] <dottle> <--- time traveller
[05:21] <hanslanda> i will reboot..see you in 2 min
[05:21] <tyche> Yea.  Right.
[05:22] <dottle> I get the first splash screen ok
[05:22] <dottle> then it goes dark, and I get the second splash screen
[05:22] <dottle> the mouse pointer appears
[05:22] <dottle> then it turns to a circle, goes about 40 minutes around the face and freezes
[05:23] <dottle> 40 minutes = not quite 3/4 of 1 pass
[05:23] <tyche> Did you check the md5 sum of the download?
[05:23] <dottle> yes, did the check disk function and it was fine
[05:24] <dottle> I have burned it on dvd, and cd
[05:24] <tyche> Still sounds like something is corrupt.
[05:24] <dottle> and I have tried with the ubuntu disk, as well
[05:24] <tyche> Did you use the slowest burning speed available to your system and software?
[05:24] <dottle> was not able to slow it down with brassero
[05:25] <dottle> told it to do 4x and it did 40x anyway
[05:25] <dottle> still have both iso's on this box
[05:25] <tyche> I usually use K3B, because it's more flexible, and I can control more.
[05:25] <dottle> this box is ubuntu 12.04 running xfce
[05:26] <tyche> It will also read the MD5 sum of the .iso
[05:26] <dottle> I think I burned the cd with k3b, it checked the md5 sum before and after
[05:26] <dottle> said it was ok
[05:26] <tyche> If you've got Ubuntu 12.04, then you can just put KDE and XFCE (Xubuntu) on top of it, and select at login.
[05:26] <dottle> trying to get a second box up
[05:27] <dottle> want to play with vnc
[05:27] <tyche> LOL.  Understood.  That's why I have four partitions on a terabyte drive.
[05:27] <dottle> what could cause a hang at that point in the process?
[05:28] <tyche> Infinite loop.
[05:28] <tyche> And, without seeing where it actually was in the process, I'd have no way of knowing what held it up.
[05:28] <dottle> is it loading modules there?
[05:29] <tyche> It might be.  Like I said, I don't know.  There used to be a way to hit <Esc> and see the action on screen.  I don't know if that still works.
[05:29] <dottle> is there a way to get a trace?
[05:29] <dottle> I'll try, when does one hit esc?
[05:30] <tyche> Sorry, not that much of a programmer/developer.  In fact, I'm NO type of programmer/developer
[05:30] <tyche> From grub, as soon as the splash screen comes up.
[05:30] <tyche> I'm not sure from the install.
[05:31] <dottle> generating locales
[05:31] <dottle> complet
[05:31] <dottle> change passwd failed
[05:32] <dottle> nice, I cant type that fast
[05:32] <tyche> Just tell me when it stops processing things.
[05:33] <dottle> ok, that cool screen went away, then I got the second splash screen and the lock up
[05:33] <dottle> could not hit esc to see anything
[05:34] <dottle> there is a white square on the bottom right of the screen, but I can't see what it might be saying
[05:34] <hanslanda> hello there, can anyone help me? i think its easy to do, but im very new to linux...i was changing some sound settings on XFCE and now i have no sound, just microfone working..anyone?
[05:35] <tyche> OK.  dottle I'm sorry, but you've just hit the end of what I'd know to do. (Perpetual n00bie - just too much for this old man to know).  You need someone that's in the devs, I think.  Or at least someone more knowledgeable than I am.
[05:35] <tyche> hanslanda: Did you make the changes in PulseAudio?
[05:35] <dottle> ok, thanks for trying tyche , at least I now know about that cool esc function
[05:36] <hanslanda> i dont know what changes i have to make...im very very dumb ..i think im going back to windows
[05:36] <tyche> Yea, and I know it still works, from your trying to type the trace.  :-)
[05:36] <dottle> it went quite a ways, too. just not far enuf
[05:37] <tyche> hanslanda: PulseAudio Control (Applications->Sound & Video -> PulseAudio Control), go to the Configuration tab.
[05:38] <tyche> That should show you all the output devices you have on your machine.
[05:41] <hanslanda> tyche, cant find applications sound and video settings
[05:41] <tyche> If you're in Xubuntu, it might be in a different place.  Look around.
[05:42] <tyche> It may be under system settings
[08:51] <xubuntu064> hi, i just installed xubuntu 12.04 and i have problem with the bottom panel bar
[08:52] <xubuntu064> when i open multiple applications, the panel is to short and i cant acces some things anymore, how to fix or avoid this?
[08:55] <TheSheep> make it longer?
[08:55] <xubuntu064> it is on full length
[08:56] <xubuntu064> but i would expect that the panel moves to left or right. when its 'full'
[08:57] <TheSheep> that's not possible
[08:57] <TheSheep> but it should never grow larger than your screen
[08:59] <xubuntu064> so it will happen often that icons are just offscreen?
[09:00] <TheSheep> that should not happen
[09:03] <xubuntu064> is there an other way to have an overview of all the applications that are open, beside the use of this bottom panel?
[09:05] <TheSheep> xubuntu064: there are like 4 panel plugins that give you an overview of open windows, and the middle click on the desktop
[09:05] <izrail> hi there
[09:05] <aquix> xubuntu064  ps shows all open processes ..use it like this     ps aux                   or search for a process like this ps aux | grep  PROCESS
[09:06] <izrail> i am searching for a solution to get a "mandatory user profile" on xubuntu
[09:07] <TheSheep> izrail: isn't that a windows thing?
[09:08] <izrail> background: i am using xubuntu as alternative OS in a lab environment at university fulda. what i need is a local user account that my students can use (and modify and crash) ... after re-login, i want the account to be in the initial state again
[09:08] <izrail> TheSheep yes indeed ... but i am trying to get rid of windows in the lab :)
[09:09] <TheSheep> izrail: one thing that comes to mind is deleting the user's home directory on logout
[09:09] <izrail> i thought of copying the complete $HOME to /etc/skel and then forcing deletion of the $HOME on logout ... at next login /etc/skel would be copied back to $HOME ...
[09:09] <izrail> not sure is this is the best solution
[09:09] <izrail> right :)
[09:10] <izrail> but this can't be done using .bash_logout, can it?
[09:10] <izrail> .bash_logout can't delete itself ...
[09:10] <TheSheep> there might be something more ready out there, but I never needed anything like this, so I didn't look
[09:10] <xubuntu064> TheSheep, could you tell me some of these plugins to get an overview?
[09:10] <TheSheep> izrail: plus, students could just edit it before logging out
[09:11] <TheSheep> xubuntu064: just look throught the list in the panel settings, really
[09:11] <izrail> TheSheep good point ... danm
[09:12] <TheSheep> izrail: the 'safe' way of doing it would be to set the user's shell to a script that runs bash and then deletes the home
[09:12] <izrail> hmh ... that's not a bad idea
[09:13] <izrail> alternatively i found that gdm has something called PostSession ...
[09:13] <izrail> is there something similar to xubuntus login manager?
[09:14] <TheSheep> I'm not that familiar with lightdm
[09:15] <izrail> # session-cleanup-script = Script to run when quitting a user session (runs as root)
[09:15] <izrail> i will try this first :)
[09:15] <izrail> the backup solution will be to modify the users shell
[09:15] <izrail> thanks TheSheep :)
[09:16] <pimperle> hi
[09:17] <pimperle> are there any things to consider when running xubuntu on an encrypted ssd? Like special filesystem options to help the wear leveling?
[09:17] <MJBrune-Work> hey hey
[09:20] <TheSheep> pimperle: the usual options for ssd
[09:21] <TheSheep> pimperle: http://askubuntu.com/questions/1400/how-do-i-optimize-the-os-for-ssds
[09:21] <pimperle> TheSheep: thanks!
[09:23] <pimperle> do you have a hint on which one to buy? are there obviously bad choices? or can i just go and pick the topseller from amazon or something the likeß
[09:23] <TheSheep> you could ask on ##hardware maybe
[09:23] <pimperle> ok, thanks
[09:55] <izrail> works perfect :)
[09:56] <izrail> lightdm has session-setup-script and session-cleanup-script variables. i defined a cleanup script, that deletes the $HOME and copies it back from a backup location, where i store the clean profile
[14:30] <stefy97100> Hi...
[14:59] <Guest96020> I am in??
[15:00] <Guest96020> Come faccio ad impostare un nome utente in luogo di "Guest96020"?
[15:01] <Pici> !it
[15:02] <Guest96020> Oh, hi. No prob with using EN. I'd just like to know how can I change my nickname from "Guestxxxxx" to another one! Thank u so much guyz.
[15:02] <Pici> Guest96020: type /nick something
[15:03] <Guest96020> Ok
[15:03] <Guest96020> c.lisco
[15:04] <Guest96020> aaah
[15:04] <Guest96020> it doesn't work. what am i doing wrong with that command? sorry to bother you guys :D
[15:06] <clisco> ok, simply i could not use points, commas and so on in the nickname. thanku
[15:10] <clisco> !it
[15:53] <fAz4> hi
[15:53] <fAz4> i just installed xubuntu-desktop
[15:53] <fAz4> and all the Icons are ordered wrong on the panel
[16:17] <xubuntu607> Hello, can i run xubuntu on a 1,80hz amd sepron with 256ram?
[16:18] <Azelphur> yes but *buntu probably isn't the best for such an old machine, it tends to eat up a bit more RAM than that
[16:18] <Azelphur> it'd run, just probably not all that fast
[16:18] <ochosi> i agree, if it runs, it'd be rather slowish
[16:18] <ochosi> (not even talking about launching e.g. a web-browser)
[16:18] <Azelphur> You'd be better off with something lighter, like debian+lxde
[16:21] <xubuntu607> cool i havent had the chance to try debian yet
[16:23] <Murtaugh> using the alternate install disk, it is possible to run xubuntu on that machine, but 512mb of ram is higly recomended
[16:23] <Murtaugh> *highly
[16:25] <Murtaugh> You could look into DSL, they released a new version recently, and it's still debian based
[16:26] <Murtaugh> huh, I just booted my desktop, and idle ram usage is 177mb o_O
[16:33] <Murtaugh> Then again, this would be using under 200mb of ram if I killed firefox.
[17:04] <Moonshiner24mUK>  i need some compilation help
[17:05] <Moonshiner24mUK> * __stas__ (~kvirc@83.149.8.156) has joined #ndiswrapper
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[18:48] <Riley24> hey is anyone here
[18:49] <pleia2> !anybody
[18:49] <pleia2> :)
[18:49] <Riley24> hey guys i was wandering if there was anyway to activate the ati driver but use the x,org conf instead for options
[18:50] <Riley24> because for whatever reason the control center does not do anything for tearing even with tearfree desktop on i really need my driver activated though to prevent overheating
[18:51] <Riley24> do yall know what im talking about lol
[18:52] <Riley24> for somereason amdcccle does not do anything for me with screen tearing and its driving me crazy
[19:01] <recon_lap> Riley24: sorry no idea, maybe someone else might, you'll have to wait and see ;) you can also try as in ubuntu channel
[19:03] <Riley24> yea right
[19:03] <Riley24> i cant get anything out of them lol
[19:59] <vorsorken> Is it possible to leave wifi on and connected during suspend?
[20:01] <shpank> nope.
[20:01] <shpank> but it's not a linux limitation
[20:01] <vorsorken> thought that might be the case, thanks
[20:02] <shpank> but they're developing something
[20:02] <shpank> i think in win8 it's possible
[20:02] <shpank> with certain chipsets
[20:02] <shpank> always-connected
[20:03] <pAt_> +
[20:26] <XbooX> hello
[20:26] <XbooX> that captcha is very hard to read lol
[21:07] <PhantorGorth> evening
[21:07] <Unit193> Howdy.
[21:08] <PhantorGorth> hi Unit193.
[21:08] <PhantorGorth> anyone able to suggest additional ideas on how to get sound working when all the usual tricks fail?
[21:09] <SkippersBoss> /dev/usual tricks
[21:09] <SkippersBoss> dev/ fail
[21:10] <SkippersBoss> !details | PhantorGorth
[21:10] <PhantorGorth> (usual as in check that the driver is installed, check that nothing is on mute, etc)
[21:10] <Unit193> Normally I link to https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/PulseAudio and
[21:10] <Unit193> !sound
[21:11] <PhantorGorth> I have just install 11.10 then imediately upgraded to 12.04.
[21:11] <SkippersBoss> PhantorGorth, Pulse raises a lot of hairs/problems/stress levels
[21:11] <PhantorGorth> I just tried removing pulseaudio. no joy
[21:11] <SkippersBoss> First check Alsamixer see if anything is muted down there
[21:11] <PhantorGorth> SkippersBoss: done that one :-)
[21:12] <SkippersBoss> so with alsa gone sound still not working
[21:12] <SkippersBoss> sorry
[21:12] <UnknownFork> What should I open xfconf with?
[21:12] <SkippersBoss> with PULSE gone sound still not working
[21:13] <PhantorGorth> yes I removed Pulse and got nothing
[21:13] <PhantorGorth> I have used three players, vlc, aplay and play
[21:14] <PhantorGorth> just in case it was the player
[21:14] <SkippersBoss> are your system sounds working ??
[21:14] <PhantorGorth> haven't actually checked that
[21:16] <PhantorGorth> I am not a XFCE expert. I am stuggling to find the system sound settings
[21:16] <SkippersBoss> Lets be up front here
[21:16] <SkippersBoss> I am not either
[21:17] <pleia2> I've had some mute weirdness, usually just killing the pulseaudio process and starting it again got me sorted
[21:17] <SkippersBoss> just trying to point you to a certain point of thinking
[21:17] <GridCube> !enter
[21:17] <SkippersBoss> Pleia is however :-)
[21:17] <Unit193> pulseaudio -k && pulseaudio --start
[21:18] <PhantorGorth> I agree I can not rule out that is not all types of sound
[21:18] <SkippersBoss> Unit193,  he has removed pulse and still no sound
[21:18] <GridCube> PhantorGorth, on a terminal run: lspci | grep "Audio"
[21:18] <PhantorGorth> yes but I put it back after testing
[21:19] <Unit193> Well, with the idea of restarting audio, that was the idea.
[21:19] <PhantorGorth> GridCube: returned nothing
[21:19] <GridCube> D:
[21:19] <GridCube> wait, did you put "Audio" with the proper A
[21:20] <Unit193> Could have him pastebin.com lspci output.
[21:20] <GridCube> true
[21:20] <PhantorGorth> lspci | grep -i "Audio" returns: Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Audigy (rev 04)
[21:20] <GridCube> :D thats it
[21:21] <GridCube> the -i makes the upper case irrelevant tho
[21:21] <PhantorGorth> yes which is what I did after looking at the raw lspci output
[21:23] <PhantorGorth> I am wondering as I alway keep my /home partition when changing OS I am wondering if there could be some rogue config left over from my previous OS (LMDE) causing trouble
[21:23] <GridCube> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1302457
[21:24] <GridCube> PhantorGorth, probably
[21:24] <GridCube> don't really know tho
[21:25] <PhantorGorth> I removed the .asoundrc file as alsa docs say that normally you don't need one
[21:28] <SkippersBoss> http://www.alsa-project.org/main/index.php/Matrix:Module-emu10k1#The_.asoundrc_file
[21:32] <PhantorGorth> SkippersBoss: just added that .asoundrc. I am not getting sound but I am now hearing it "click" when I a toggle the "Digital/Analog" switch
[21:33] <PhantorGorth> It's like it's muted but all volume controls > 0%
[21:33] <SkippersBoss> Like i said I am by no means an xpert and I have learned that in linux it either works or you are spending a lot of blood sweat and tears to get it to work
[21:34] <PhantorGorth> I would prefer it if they would actually write a tool that tells you if alsa/pulse are receiving data
[21:34] <SkippersBoss> :-)
[21:34] <PhantorGorth> so I can at least trace where the problem is
[21:35] <SkippersBoss> As pulse runs on top of ALSA i would advise to remove pulse whilst you are sorting out your alsa issue.
[21:36] <PhantorGorth> SkippersBoss: blood and tears like me when I was trying to get flash to work yesterday
[21:37] <PhantorGorth> got that one sorted. I had to revert to an earlier driver and move it in manually
[21:37] <SkippersBoss> I have a repeating issue with pulse and skype
[21:38] <PhantorGorth> I used to on Kubuntu before I went to LMDE and I made the mistake of switching to OSS4
[21:39] <SkippersBoss> :-)
[21:44] <PhantorGorth> Well I am now getting white noise when I play a track
[21:45] <PhantorGorth> I am now getting sound
[21:45] <PhantorGorth> :-)
[21:46] <SkippersBoss> :-)
[21:46] <David-A> PhantorGorth: and now you don't want it :)
[21:46] <PhantorGorth> I removed Pulse and restarted alsa
[21:46] <SkippersBoss> have fun
[21:46] <PhantorGorth> think the force-reload was missing before when I removed alsa
[21:46] <PhantorGorth> sorry pusle
[21:47] <PhantorGorth> *pulse :-)
[21:47] <PhantorGorth> thanks everyone who helped
[21:48] <PhantorGorth> now to try it with flash
[21:50] <PhantorGorth> that's working too :-)
[23:43] <SkippersBoss> ok can any one point me please to the right setting for preventing focus window under mouse pointer. ?? this behaviour just got me into serious trouble and is annoying
[23:45] <knome> SkippersBoss, apps > settings > settings manager > window manager > tab "focus" > set "focus model" to "click to focus", not "focus follows mouse"
[23:46] <SkippersBoss> thx
[23:46] <SkippersBoss> you are a live saver
[23:46] <knome> of course! i save your life from.. myself!
[23:46] <knome> :)=
[23:47] <SkippersBoss> i bow to your wisdom