[00:34] <ScottK> Yon 12.04.1 images could really use some testing ^^^
[00:43] <ScottK> Riddell: I don't see print-manager in the queue?
[00:46] <Riddell> hmm where did it go I wonder
[02:46] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1028846] vlc crashed with SIGSEGV in QMetaObject::changeGuard() @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1028846 (by Alex Peters)
[06:19] <Mamarok> good morning everyone
[06:19] <Mamarok> How can this be rediscussed: https://bugs.launchpad.net/amarok/+bug/260091 ?
[06:19] <Mamarok> the libgpod4-nogtk package is only causing trouble
[06:20] <Mamarok> and this bug is really Debian/Ubuntu specific, upstream doesn't have such a split
[09:00] <Riddell> Mamarok: is there trouble other than it just won't work?
[09:02] <Mamarok> well, it is annoying as it disables the cover support for devices
[09:02] <Mamarok> which people them report to us as a bug
[09:03] <Riddell> mm
[09:03] <Mamarok> and no other distro does actually split that besides Debian/Ubuntu
[09:13] <apachelogger> Riddell, Mamarok: is that not a bug in libgpod?
[09:13] <apachelogger> as in: it should work without GTK
[09:13]  * apachelogger actually wonders what GTK would be used for with regards to cover art
[09:14] <Mamarok> no, it is an artificial split of Debian/Kubuntu, as it works in all other distros
[09:14] <apachelogger> I do seem to recall that libgpod *allows* building without GTK
[09:14] <Mamarok> never heard of an upstream problem
[09:15] <Mamarok> apachelogger: well, all I know is that the nogtk package is causing trouble, and no other dsitros did report a cover problem so far
[09:16] <apachelogger> that's because they use the GTK enabled version
[09:19] <Riddell> hmm the only library that libgpod4 depends on is libgdk-pixbuf2.0-0 and not the full gtk
[09:19] <apachelogger> ah
[09:19] <Riddell> I'm sure that used not to be the case
[09:20] <apachelogger> yep, just thought the same thing
[09:20] <apachelogger> also we have gdk-pixbuf already on the CD anyway
[09:21] <Riddell> hmm I wonder why
[09:21] <apachelogger> Riddell: 0.7.x linke dagainst gtk, since 0.8 it only links gdk-pixbuf
[09:21] <apachelogger> Riddell: I am reasonable certain the pixbuf stuff is used by some GTK theme stuff
[09:22] <Riddell> ok I guess we can make that change and make Mamarok happy
[09:22] <Riddell> apachelogger: want to do it or shall I?
[09:22] <apachelogger> Riddell: if you have time please go ahead, I'd only put it on my never ending todo :S
[09:23] <Riddell> I'll do it if Mamarok gives me a kiss :)
[09:23] <apachelogger> :)
[09:23]  * apachelogger has ipod stuff on his todo anyway
[09:23] <Mamarok> Riddell: you will get one of course :)
[09:23] <apachelogger> how I do hate fixing things I cannot test brrr
[09:24] <Riddell> apachelogger: convince the kubuntu council to pay for what you need if that is what's needed
[09:25] <apachelogger> it's not needed, it just annoys me
[09:25]  * apachelogger proxy-programmed bluray support in phonon :S
[12:32] <nigelb> JontheEchidna: Happy Birthday! \o/
[12:32] <apachelogger> kubotu: order birthday package for JontheEchidna
[12:32]  * kubotu is running to the corner shop to get a birthday present.
[12:32]  * kubotu slides a birthday cake and a present down the bar to JontheEchidna and gives everyone a nice frosty mug of beer.
[12:32] <kubotu> Happy birthday to you, happy birthday to you, happy birthday JontheEchidna, happy birthday to you!!!! - Wooooho!
[12:32] <kubotu> Happy Birthday JontheEchidna :D
[12:32] <kubotu> To your health!
[12:57] <Quintasan_> YES
[12:57] <Quintasan_> TWO YEARS OLD BUG GOT FIXED IN 4.9
[12:57] <Quintasan> It's jtechidna's bday?
[12:58] <Quintasan> LET ME SING YOU THE SONG OF MY PEOPLE
[12:59] <Quintasan> or wait
[12:59] <Quintasan> let me just wish you happy birthday in Polish
[12:59] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: sto lat!
[13:00] <jocarter> "On Chulak, when a great warrior retires from the field of battle, it is customary to sing a song of lament. --- Fortunately, we are not on Chulak." - Tealc
[13:01] <Quintasan> jocarter: I'm not singing anything after all :P
[13:01] <jocarter> hehe :)
[13:06] <Riddell> !testers
[13:07] <Riddell> 12.04.1 candidates need testing
[13:07] <soee> thak you for the information
[13:08] <Riddell> ?
[13:26] <jtechidna> Quintasan: :)
[13:27] <jtechidna> jocarter: one of my favorite shows :)
[13:27] <jocarter> :)
[13:39] <jtechidna> Quintasan: this will describe my situation for the next few days http://xkcd.com/1077/
[13:39] <jtechidna> I will likely have the cable internet guys come before I have a bed in the apartment
[13:41] <jocarter> jtechidna: you moved? does blue systems have offices somewhere?
[13:42] <jtechidna> jocarter: iirc they're thinking of getting one in barcelona for the Spanish dudes, but I'm moving for university
[13:42] <jocarter> ah
[13:43] <jtechidna> I just have a *ton* of stuff going on right now
[13:43] <shadeslayer> ^
[13:43] <shadeslayer> jtechidna: happy birthday!!
[13:45] <jtechidna> :)
[14:11] <yofel> happy birthday jtechidna :D
[14:15] <Riddell> yofel: yo, applied for UDS?
[14:21] <yofel> no, got other priorities right now so I'll rather leave the slot open for someone else. + I'm probably somewhere else that week
[15:37] <phillw> hi folks, just so as you know, I'm going to the desktop 10.04.4 --> desktop 12.04.1 for both 32 & 64 bit versions. I'll have the results in a few hours time on the iso-tracker.
[16:03] <Riddell> phillw: great thanks
[16:08] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1039582] DPMSControl, a non existent action on Kubuntu on VMWare guest @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1039582 (by Marco Parillo)
[16:35] <jtechidna> you know you're doing windows programming when a third of your diff is changes to vcproj files
[16:59] <shadeslayer> hah :D
[18:01] <phillw> is there a seasoned kubuntu about I could ask for some advice with a test case (here or on #ubuntu-testing).
[18:01] <phillw> *kubuntu tester*
[18:07] <shadeslayer> not seasoned, but shoot
[18:09] <phillw> shadeslayer: I'm following  http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/230/builds/21374/testcases (lucid upgrade)
[18:10] <phillw> I installed and updated 10.04.4, but the terminal reports 1st that upgrade-manager is not installed, so I apt-got it.
[18:10] <shadeslayer> uh
[18:10] <phillw> now it complaining about not being able to open a window with python error
[18:10] <shadeslayer> "This is a legacy testcase, content is only available here: http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/Testing/Cases/DesktopUpgrade"
[18:11] <phillw> shadeslayer: that is the one I'm following.
[18:11] <shadeslayer> from what's written there, I don't think it's valid anymore
[18:12] <shadeslayer> phillw: make sure you have kubuntu-desktop installed on 10.04.4
[18:12] <phillw> Hmm, well I cannot find anything else, so that's as far as I can proceed. I installed kubuntu amd 10.04.4 from http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/10.04/kubuntu-10.04.4-desktop-amd64.iso
[18:13] <shadeslayer> right
[18:13] <shadeslayer> phillw: try using do-release-upgrade
[18:13] <shadeslayer> if update-manager isn't working
[18:14] <phillw> No new release found
[18:14] <shadeslayer> mmmm
[18:14] <shadeslayer> ah yes
[18:14] <shadeslayer> 12.04.1 isn't released yet
[18:15] <shadeslayer> phillw: do-release-upgrade -d
[18:16] <phillw> it's doing something :)
[18:17] <phillw> seems to be loading precise stuff, which is good :)
[18:17] <shadeslayer> *nod*
[18:18] <phillw> thanks, I'll have a word with balloons about what to do with the old test case, as it's no use in it's current format.
[18:19] <phillw> after I koick him for talking me into testing 10.04.4 systems :P
[18:19] <phillw> *kick*
[18:20] <shadeslayer> hah :D
[18:20] <shadeslayer> actually, u-m is supposed to work
[18:20] <shadeslayer> the fallback option is to use do-release-upgrade -d
[18:24] <phillw> shadeslayer: I've found that the wiki page it was pointing to was out dated, kubunrtu do have an updated one. I'm just checking with balloons as to the best way forword for you guys.
[18:24] <phillw> meanwhile, I'll carry on with the upgrade to 12.04
[18:24] <shadeslayer> alright
[19:30] <Riddell> phillw: this is the instructions https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PreciseUpgrades/Kubuntu/10.04LTS
[19:38] <phillw> hi Riddell I found them, going  to discuss with balloons to ensure iso-tracker is using the new instructions. It'll be a couple of days before we have them up and working; but we have it on our TODO list.
[19:39] <Riddell> phillw: a couple of days to edit a text box?
[19:39] <phillw> the VM is just finishing it's 10.04.4 to 12.04 upgrade, then I can try the 12.04.1 applied (I drew the short straw of starting with a 'clean, virgin' 10.04.4 install to test with :P )
[19:40] <phillw> it is a legacy test case, so the new one needs creating.
[19:41] <phillw> between testing everything and re-writing test cases, it is a bit hectic :)
[19:42] <phillw> I'm concentrating on getting the ones with no mandatory tests actually done. We can catch up the instructions later :)
[19:46] <Riddell> phillw: thanks for helping out!
[19:48] <phillw> yvw, we from lubuntu do owe kubuntu et. all quite a few favours from when we very new. We will always dive in and help all the other flavours when asked.
[19:50] <jocarter> oh really. :p
[19:51] <phillw> yup, some of the mac stuff gets done by lubuntu, as we a couple of testers who will dive on. for other stuf, we help out where we have resources. Like all teams, we would like more testers!
[19:53] <phillw> think nice thoughts, it is going from 10.04.4 to 12.04 :)
[19:56] <phillw> KBuildSycoca has a crash report coming in shortly.
[20:42] <shadeslayer> so, I'm looking at ubiquity, and I can't quite find where the RELEASE variable comes from
[20:42] <shadeslayer> any ideas?
[20:48] <yofel> in which file?
[20:50] <yofel> shadeslayer: ^
[20:50] <shadeslayer> all of them? :P
[20:50] <shadeslayer> they use a Generic marker
[20:50] <shadeslayer> that's called RELEASE
[20:50] <shadeslayer> they just substitute that var with the actual string
[20:52] <yofel> ok, so what are you  looking for?
[20:52] <shadeslayer> where is RELEASE defined :)
[20:54] <yofel> grepping through the sources, I see '${RELEASE}' being replaced by the actual release, and some comments in the translations that RELEASE is used as a marker by casper
[20:54] <yofel> so I guess casper sets it?
[21:00] <shadeslayer> then how does casper find it? :P
[21:29] <shadeslayer> yofel: any idea?
[21:29] <yofel> I know nothing about casper :/
[21:37] <shadeslayer> :P
[21:52] <phillw> Riddell: I have had 3 goes now at the update from 10.04.04 to 12.04, they have all failed :( On the plus side, I have a shed load of log files if they be of help, each in its own directory under /var/log
[21:53] <phillw> /var/log/dist-upgrade has them stored
[22:25] <ScottK> Riddell: I see print-manager in New again now.  Looking.
[22:27] <yofel> phillw: did the upgrade completly fail or was it just that kbuildsycoca4 crash during the upgrade?
[22:29] <phillw> yofel: It started with that, but then reported that there were too many fails for it too keep track of. I'm just tar-ing up the directory for jibel to have a look at.
[22:29] <yofel> urgh
[22:29]  * yofel goes doing some tests in kvm
[22:30] <phillw> It did go down fighting, all the logs seem to be there. 
[22:31] <shadeslayer> yofel: it's in /.disk/info
[22:32] <yofel> great, now we even have hidden files in the isos...
[22:32] <ScottK> Riddell: configure-printer/PrinterOptions.cpp has to be GPL2 only, not GPL2+
[22:32] <shadeslayer> :P
[22:44] <phillw> yofel: it does seem the X was not fully installed from the desktop iso onto my VM. I'm just having a quick dig around as I got an error up with ubuntu-bug
[22:45] <phillw> No protocol installed
[22:45] <phillw> :cannot connect to X server :0
[22:46] <yofel> but you had X running?
[22:46] <phillw> the desktop is running fine.....
[22:46] <phillw> so, something is messed up :(
[22:46] <yofel> o.O
[22:47] <phillw> I'm not a complete n00b with VM's, but this one has me well beaten!
[22:49] <phillw> how to heck does it get downloads and not be able to ping google.com!
[22:50] <mikecb> dns issues?
[22:51] <phillw> mikecb: it would appear so, I cannot ping a know IP address.
[22:51] <phillw> never had this before with ubuntu VM's
[22:51] <yofel> we use the same network configuration though...
[22:51] <mikecb> wait, you can or cannot ping an ip address?
[22:52] <phillw> nope, yet it can download stuff to get the lucid --> precise upgrade okay.... My brain is now really hurting :(
[22:54] <mikecb> weird
[22:56] <phillw> the broweser is now also down, this should be fun to get the log file off :P
[22:59]  * yofel waits for ubuntu-vm-builder to finish
[22:59] <yofel> phillw: what VM did you use btw.?
[23:00] <phillw> yofel: I use http://virt-manager.org/
[23:00] <phillw> 0.9.0 is my current version
[23:01] <phillw> I'm pretty darn sure that the lvm will remain intact once I close the VM down.
[23:02] <phillw> It's going to be less painful to just remount the lv with the VM closed down.
[23:03] <phillw> all me VMs are created with logical volumes from the pool, makes cleaning up easier that keep fdisking the hard drive :)
[23:06] <shadeslayer> are your running quantal in a vm?
[23:06] <shadeslayer> yofel: don't you remember the fun we had with vm's last night ? :P
[23:07] <yofel> that was VM + VNC fun
[23:07] <phillw> shadeslayer: not on my laptop, it's only a 4GB dual core machine, so I try yo not have more than 2 active
[23:07] <phillw> the daddy server is a quad core, 16 GB, 2TB machine ... it eats VM's for breakfast :)
[23:08] <yofel> *drool*
[23:08] <shadeslayer> okay ...
[23:08] <shadeslayer> I have a quad core, 8 GB, 1TB server
[23:08] <shadeslayer> doesn't beat yours, but it's good enough :P
[23:08] <shadeslayer> phillw: how much do you pay for it?
[23:09] <phillw> python is killing my laptop, I'm just going to reboot piglet. 
[23:10] <shadeslayer> yofel: fwiw stable quantal ISO's don't last very long in KVM as well
[23:10] <shadeslayer> erm
[23:10] <phillw> shadeslayer: http://www.kimsufi.co.uk/ I sourced that for the SII team (Artificial Intel) as they wanted some grunt under the bonnet. I just sits there laughing at 0.1 % cpu usage.
[23:10] <shadeslayer> s/stable//
[23:10] <kubotu> shadeslayer: You did something wrong... Try s/you/me/ or tell me "help sed"
[23:10] <yofel> drat
[23:10] <phillw> even with VM's on it.
[23:10] <shadeslayer> phillw: SII team?
[23:11] <shadeslayer> I'm just waiting for buyvm to have some stock
[23:11] <phillw> SII web area is under redisgn, but you can catch it via the wiki area,
[23:11] <shadeslayer> and I'll splurge a bit on a better server :)
[23:12] <yofel> hm, my desktop is having issues...
[23:12] <yofel>  /dev is empty @_@
[23:12] <shadeslayer> rofl
[23:12] <phillw> shadeslayer: http://thesii.org/wiki/Projects
[23:13] <shadeslayer> oh http://thesii.org/wiki/SpeechControl
[23:13] <phillw> You will be pleased, or horrified, to know that the devs prefer to use kubuntu as the root system
[23:13] <shadeslayer> wat
[23:13] <shadeslayer> ( I was looking into SpeechControl earlier today )
[23:13] <phillw> shadeslayer: just at a beta launch, but some further work to do before we ask for testers.
[23:14] <shadeslayer> oh ok
[23:14] <shadeslayer> yofel: fwiw new live build tomorrow
[23:14] <phillw> but, let me reboot piglet, get it reset
[23:14] <shadeslayer> cookies deliverable to cj
[23:15] <yofel> \o/
[23:15]  * yofel reboots his desktop in the meanwhile
[23:15] <shadeslayer> I think I'm addicted to this song
[23:15] <shadeslayer> ~np
[23:15] <kubotu> shadeslayer_ is listening to "Thé à la menthe" by Nikkfurie de La Caution -- see http://www.last.fm/user/shadeslayer_ for more
[23:16] <yofel> heh
[23:16] <shadeslayer> I've got it on loop, look at the url
[23:16] <shadeslayer> :P
[23:17] <shadeslayer> http://www.last.fm/user/shadeslayer_/tracks
[23:17] <yofel> lol
[23:23] <shadeslayer> hmm ... stargate in 10 minutes
[23:23] <phillw> ahh, I don't it on freeview :(
[23:25] <shadeslayer> phillw: ?
[23:25] <phillw> stargate is not on free per view in UK
[23:25] <shadeslayer> ah
[23:25] <shadeslayer> fwiw it comes at odd hours here
[23:25] <shadeslayer> it's 5 AM :P
[23:26] <shadeslayer> I only recently started watching it
[23:26] <phillw> I've loved since the film that came out as the pilot.
[23:26] <shadeslayer> I wonder why casper-new-uuid repacks the intrid
[23:27] <shadeslayer> *initrd
[23:27] <phillw> I get to see some SG-U every so often. My friend in USA has the entire SG1 box sets.... I'm sooooo jealous!
[23:28] <phillw> but, now to go mount the lvm and see if I can get the log files off it.
[23:28] <yofel> The film was cool. I then never really got hooked by the SG-1 series but liked Atlantis. SG-U is kind of boring, dunno why
[23:29] <phillw> SG-U has its moments, I felt the same about atalantis when it started, so time will tell. The ending of Atlantis was pretty spectacluar!
[23:35] <yofel> hm
[23:36] <yofel> anyone an idea why I would have a cron process running when I stopped cron?
[23:36] <yofel> and if I kill it it just respawns
[23:37] <yofel> seems like it's controlled by init - but upstart says I have no cron running and if I start it I have 2 cron processes @_@
[23:39] <yofel> ...
[23:39] <yofel> it was cron from a chroot
[23:42] <shadeslayer> ok, stargate comes on at 6 AM
[23:42] <shadeslayer> hehe
[23:42] <shadeslayer> casper-new-uuid is weird
[23:43] <shadeslayer> http://paste.kde.org/537926/
[23:43] <shadeslayer> the file is there
[23:43] <shadeslayer> hmm
[23:52] <yofel> nope. ubuntu-vm-builder + precise + try to make a lucid vm => FAIL
[23:57] <phillw> lucid worked fine, it was the change to precise that seems to have killed mine.
[23:58] <yofel> great
[23:58] <yofel> overwrite errors
[23:59] <phillw> the files are there, I just cannot pull them off the B* VM :(