[00:04] zumodoki, small? [00:04] simple you mean [00:04] yes it is [00:05] compared to mountain lion with all kinds of flash [00:05] or windows 7 even [00:05] not really [00:05] zumodoki, lubuntu is kept simple with out the flashy stuff deliberately [00:06] he was talking about wiki [00:06] oh I see [00:06] lol [00:06] have a good night [00:06] I need to be off [00:06] c u [00:07] i shall have to look further into burner alternative tomorrow [00:07] :-) [01:00] Anyone have peppermint a try? [01:00] peppermintOS? i have used it often [01:02] How do you find it over lubuntu? [01:03] similar.. peppermint has a few custom tools that are nice [01:03] both have live CD's.. try them both for yourself [01:04] I like that lubuntu is lite, But if I stick it infront of say my mum, I feels shell sturrgle to use it [01:04] I need something lite and is still nice on the eyes. [01:05] PeppermintOS seems to fit that, However in peppermint 3 the screenshots suggest its another desktop enviroment now [01:05] your mum needs what she is comfortable with.. mum will have to learn some OS [01:06] zumodoki: they are both LXDE.. i would expect mum to have a similar experience on both [01:06] Peppermint 3 [01:06] javascript:; [01:07] http://peppermintos.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/3screen_two.png [01:07] Isnt that the same enviroment mint is using? [01:07] zumodoki: peppermint and lubuntu both use LXDE [01:08] I know that, But the menu in the screenshot is what im used to seing on mint, Which isnt LXDE based. [01:08] zumodoki: they customize [01:09] zumodoki: you can add a menu like that to anything... you can try them all live [01:09] Its the visual eye candy I think will make the machine perfect. [01:10] zumodoki: sure, but there really i no eye candy, its just a different implementation of LXDE [01:10] It looks visually nicer than lubuntu by default. It may be the selling point I need. [01:10] zumodoki: i think both are a nice balance of performance and functionality... [01:10] Unless you have suggestions on installing that., [01:11] zumodoki: "visually nicer" is a matter of opinion, and you can try both from a live CD and see exactly what is going on [01:11] zumodoki: my suggestion is that.. try them both live [01:11] I need performance, but it if looks "ugly" I can't convince someone to use it. [01:11] lubuntu I have installed. peppermint seems to come witha bunch of stuff id never use. [01:11] zumodoki: sure, but i dont think lubuntu looks ugly.. some prefer the clean UI [01:12] Whatever peppermintos has going on, I think is a nice clean simple UI [01:12] sure, and thats the goal, and i think they delivered quite well [01:12] lubuntu by default I feel it looks to small [01:12] looks to small? [01:13] you mean, the text is too small? [01:14] I suppose [01:15] Hard to explain [01:15] zumodoki: you suppose the text is too small? [01:15] zumodoki: you can find the text too small... its not a problem.. its also not a problem to increase the text size [01:15] nor, is it a problem to prefer the default installation of peppermint [01:17] Would it be possible to stip out the stuff from peppermint I dont want before install? I.E so if I run the disk its missing the stuff like amsn [01:18] zumodoki: all of this software is open, so anything is possible... cant imagine it would matter that much though [01:19] both iso's sizes are pretty lean by today's standards [01:19] If im installing it on a few machine, I dont want to have to go and remove the same programs on 5 installs. [01:21] zumodoki: you can make your own OS, your own live CD.. you can do one install, strip it down, and clone that one [01:21] you can make a script that would remove whatever you like after installing [04:05] I'm trying to find an iso for Lubuntu 10.04....not on their home site or torrent so far. Anyone here can help me? [04:06] Why do you want 10.04? [04:14] nessmuk: ^ [04:22] yeah [04:22] why would you want 10.04 [04:22] it's so outdated what comes to LXDE components [04:25] first because the instability in the new installer in 10.10 gave me total grief. Second, I'm just playing with small distros on an old Toshiba Satellita laptop. Pre-usb bootable, 192Meg Ram 400mhz chip. I wanted to see if Lubuntu is that much faster than Xubuntu. Trying guadelinux-mini next [04:27] 10.10 is in end of life, so 12.04 would be the one to try, and is AntiX as well as SliTaz on that list? :D [04:28] those distros are huge [04:28] I demand Tiny Core on that list too [04:28] as it's the smallest [04:36] end of life is no concern....I'm just PO'd that the links on lubuntu's site for 10,04 don't GO to that iso...it goes to 10.10 [04:37] if I just wanted tiny, I'd use damnsmalllinux....which I've used a lot. Just want to see how 10.04 runs on this old laptop [04:38] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/PreviousReleases#A10.04 [04:40] my bad! missed that one. As they say in Jazz....Sanctuary Macho! [06:46] hi [06:50] can someone help [06:51] we always try to help with what know and can [06:51] +we [06:51] i am not very experienced with linux [06:51] so its an easy question [06:52] i downloaded playonlinux, i have extracted it to my desktop, now what? [06:53] i presume i open lxterminal [06:53] navigate to desktop [06:54] http://www.playonlinux.com/en/download.html [06:54] there's commands for ubuntu [06:55] dont take the deb [06:55] just use the reposotiry [06:55] repository [06:55] then. http://www.playonlinux.com/en/manual.html [06:56] i already have installed an older version of playonlinux via software centre [06:56] but down the bottom is says a newer version is available [06:56] and you should use the repository [06:57] as it's easier to maintain [06:57] sorry what is that ? [06:57] !repository [06:57] The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/project/about-ubuntu/components - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecommendedSources for the recommended way to set up your repositories [06:57] sry i have used windows my whole life [06:57] reading now [06:58] I have too! [06:58] hey guys. anyone on 12.10? [06:59] bug fix to bug #1035607 doesn't seem to work fine. [06:59] nope, becouse lack of PAE [06:59] Launchpad bug 1035607 in lubuntu-artwork (Ubuntu) "Unity-greeter doesn't have a badge for Lubuntu session" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1035607 [06:59] jokerdino, and your lubuntu-artwork is which version? [07:00] 0.30 [07:00] there you go [07:00] oops [07:00] !patience [07:00] Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. While you wait, try searching https://help.ubuntu.com or http://ubuntuforums.org or http://askubuntu.com/ [07:00] ;) [07:00] :D [07:01] takes a while to move to repos ;) [07:01] i'll check back in a while. thanks much. [07:01] have you updated your system already? [07:01] yeah. i have to dist-upgrade now [07:01] one sec. [07:02] ok 0.31 fixes the bug :-) [10:42] Hi, for some reason I always need approval on the Lubuntu-mailing, while I am registered to the mailing list :( [11:13] timo_ ask on the mailing list [11:13] alright [11:14] also , be sure and introduce yourself [11:14] how long you've used lubuntu [11:14] and what your role on the team is [11:14] quite long [11:14] old face [11:14] oh [11:15] didn't know :) [11:15] :D [11:15] I did use the list for some time, but now I started using daily digest, because it was spamming me a bit :P [11:15] I stopped reading mailing lists when they changed lubuntu-desktop to something else [11:16] and it was full of emotional mails [11:16] That's the negative side of active mailing lists :p [11:16] I rather spend my time and mobiles bandwith for something else than all that emo stuff [11:16] hahaha :d [11:17] I just read the subjects, and if it sounds interesting, I read it :p [11:17] i might be the worst person on the mailing list, IMHO [11:17] quite many times I was "ooohhh new email!" and when I checked it, it was mostly "you dont like me and my adhd acting at all! why you're all like that?" [11:17] lol :D [11:20] really i don't see how people put up with me [11:21] mm I just bought the Humble Bundle, it always contains some nice games :D [11:21] i'm as annoying as lxpanel [11:21] oh, it's been some time ago I abandoned LXpanel [11:21] AWN here :P [11:21] lol [11:21] AWN+DockbarX :D [11:23] don't know anything about either one [11:23] qwertyuiop [11:23] 321`qWADSEFRGTH [11:23] sorry [11:23] needed to clean my keyboard [11:24] seriously [11:27] np [11:27] so, kanliot, where are you from? [11:28] usa: ohio and tennessee [11:28] u? [11:29] some people say that instead of tennehio person i loook more pennslytucky [11:29] bad joke for aussies [11:32] i need something at the store, brb [12:45] hi [12:46] hi [12:46] do you know how to report on testing packages? [12:46] I am still in 12.04 but have built the 1.0.6 (testing) packages locally [12:48] Use packages.qa.ubuntu.com [13:45] Phiscribe, === smartboyhw_w8 is now known as smartboyhw [15:47] hi [15:48] any good burner for powerpc? [15:48] silverarrow: you mean, cd type media burner? [15:48] i would think most packages would be in the repos for that [15:49] cd, and iso at least, data [15:49] silverarrow: i heard about something on a podcast that made me think of you.. https://myapps.developer.ubuntu.com/dev/apps/1303/ [15:49] xfburn could potentially be good [15:49] or rather become [15:49] cool [15:49] silverarrow: i was wondering if it could just strip the audio out when it converts mp4 to mp3 or whatever audio [15:49] tanks [15:50] silverarrow: though i havent used PPC in a while, i would expect xfburn and brasero and whatever else to just be in the repos [15:50] oh, yes I am still on that one [15:51] xfburn is default but crashes [15:51] i would start it from the terminal and see if there is any helpful output [15:51] it crashes as soon as I add a track to the adio project [15:54] paste.ubuntu.com/1159242 [15:55] maybe you dont have the proper codecs installed... [15:56] paste.ubuntu.com/115244 [15:56] how am I suppose to know what they are? [15:57] weird, because I have installed just about every plugin and lib there is [15:57] silverarrow: i usuallu just search.. its just an idea anyways... you can try another burner, and try another type of audio file [15:58] I could [15:58] brasero is an option [15:58] it has been good in the past [15:59] silverarrow: should take a few seconds to install and test.. then you'll know if its xfburn or codecs [16:15] brassero seems to work [16:15] attempting burn now [16:15] normalizing tracks... [16:20] holstein, and it plays in cd player [16:20] !! [16:20] I need a better stereo [17:06] silverarrow: could be something to do with the PPC build of xfburn... could be a very small group supporting those packages [17:06] i think most PPC users are doing the server thing with them... [17:08] true [17:09] silverarrow: not that that is a valid excuse for a bug... just a resonable explanation [17:09] there are a few who keeps up their G4 laptops though [17:09] from what i read, sometime after 10.04 PPC went "unofficial".. whatever that means [17:09] and some hold on the top model 64bit G5s, those where very expensive at a time [17:10] some of the G5s are upgradable [17:11] there are loads of powerpc still in use [17:11] however, they are not that good anymore with some stuff [17:11] linux could improve those areas easily [17:12] well, loads of any linux user is a minority.. and the #'s dont matter.. if its unofficial, its unsupported, officially [17:12] but with debian bugs seeping in to every related distro linux get a bad reputation for the G3, 4 and 5 [17:13] yeah, in the end it likely is better to just go and help and support upstream [17:13] ppc is actually suported, just not assigned that much attention [17:14] silverarrow: i read it was community supported [17:14] debian still support ppc fully and officially [17:14] PowerPC was an officially supported architecture for Ubuntu between versions 4.10 and 6.10. From 7.04 onwards it is a community supported port [17:14] thats via https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PowerPC [17:15] i thought the 9.10 i had tried was official though [17:15] though what happens in practicality is another story, I think it has to do with feedback info [17:15] I filed a separate bug for the 1.0.6 packages, and it was deleted from launchpad [17:15] silverarrow: that statement and stance on the wiki means bascially it may be buggy, and theres not much officially done about it [17:16] I already had filed a bug on the 1.05 package, which I spent 14 days on getting to work lol [17:16] silverarrow: thats the kind of community support that really helps though [17:16] yeah, unfortunately really [17:17] and I spent two nights in a row with 1.0.6 packages [17:17] eh... you cant expect the higer-ups to support legacy hardware forever.. i think it was a necessary call, and it makes me a little sad [17:17] they should, lol [17:18] why they should? [17:18] do you pay them for supporting your obsolete hardware? [17:18] the bugs are not that hard to fix if the right person get to work on it [17:18] well, to be clear, you can.. you can always build a version that supports whatever you like [17:18] but, the focus of ubuntu is not to support legacy hardware [17:18] who pays them to support newer hardware then? [17:19] I suppose debian is the source anyhow [17:19] silverarrow: i think the idea is, someone might.. and the "mainstream" idea of ubuntu is to be for newer hardware [17:19] yes, it has to be for the newer hardwre [17:19] I still like the old ibook though [17:19] again, doesnt have to be a deal breaker.. you might find a friendlier out of the box solution for legacy hardware though [17:20] and you can always customize to your liking [17:20] silverarrow, people buys newer hardware to play with [17:20] that's normal cycle [17:21] and some people might get newer hardware as they are ment to make drivers and software for it [17:21] like Raspberry Pi for example, they have given away prototype to get it running and working [17:21] ppc is just a bit out of luck [17:21] PPC is dead [17:21] any old intel hardware is supported [17:22] well, PPC is not being made anymore [17:22] except the IBM stuff [17:22] PPC was doomed when Apple said during 2005 "we are now going to make x86 computers" [17:22] silverarrow, IBM stuff is Power [17:22] intel is easier to support in a legacy fashion as well likely due to the way they are open about hardware specs [17:25] powerpc is pretty well supported still, just a few issues that need attention [17:26] I hope there is a dev who has an old g4 or 5 they like [17:26] i find its much like bioterror states.. PPC is dead [17:27] i find a few places that support all kinds of legacy hardware quite well.. ubuntu is not necessarily one of those places [17:27] it really requires to have some sort of asperger to use G4 PPC's in a year 2012 when C2D computers are already given away for free [17:28] just like some people likes to use CDE ;-) [17:29] well, im an advocate of using hardware when its around and appropriate, but usually the TCO is lower just getting newer hardware thats better on power usage [17:37] yeah, maybe I should stick to installing ubuntu on my new samung in stead [17:38] or debian [18:07] the ones with the oldest hardware is often studens [18:07] they start off with hand me down computers [18:08] and improve standard as soon as they can [18:08] which often means a couple of years [18:08] Did you need something? This is a support channel after all. [18:08] yes I do [18:08] but not ppc this time [18:11] extracting audio file from mp4 [18:13] What about it? You should be able to use Audacity for example to do that. [18:17] apparently vlc is better at it [18:19] "Better at it" [18:19] hello lubuntu users :)) [18:31] when using XVidcap the sound isn't recoding... why??? [18:31] because it is lubuntu [18:32] a bit crappy some times [18:33] so what do you use to record screen actitvies? [18:33] lubuntu is a bit crappy sometimes?.. maybe its soemthing to do with that particular package [18:33] screen shots or video capture? [18:33] video [18:34] holstein, yeah [18:34] last one i used was gtk-recordmydesktop [18:35] I thought gnome mplayer could do video capture? [18:35] vlc can [18:37] i had gtk-recordmydesktop but when to play back the video look crappy in the sence i cant see it properly [18:37] what's vlc [18:37] ? [18:37] !vlc [18:37] Audio (Ogg, MP3...) players: Audacious, Banshee, Listen, Quod Libet, Rhythmbox, Exaile, XMMS2 (GTK/Gnome based) and Amarok, JuK (Qt/KDE based). Video players: Totem, Xine, MPlayer, VLC, Kaffeine - See also !codecs [18:37] vlc works [18:38] must be the only thing on ppc that just works [18:38] I just testet [18:38] ph5, do you have vlc? [18:38] oh, sorry, a video player [18:39] media player [18:39] so vlc can record desktop activities and no [18:39] hmm, well, no not like that [18:39] only what you can stream in vlc [18:40] oh i need something that record desktop videos and sounds [18:41] hmm, you mean download or transfer from other media? [18:41] silverarrow: like, a screencapture [18:42] yeah like XVidcap but i get no sound recording [18:43] new to me, never used it [18:44] its good but i get no sound.... by the way where do you find the microphone settings on Lubuntu? [18:45] pH5: you can look in the terminal in alsamixer [18:45] oh, VLC has desktop option too¨ [18:45] but haven`t tried [18:46] not sure about recording though [18:46] ...seem like there it that too [18:47] oh hard to find a good one [18:47] wonder is the linux version of teamviewer works for recording [18:55] i have downloaded minitube to /home/minitube . what should i write in the CLI to get it installed? [18:57] jonasem: if it work you let me know... doesn't seem to work for me? [18:57] ... [18:57] jonasen: i would do http://www.ubuntugeek.com/install-minitube-1-7-in-ubuntu-using-ppa.html [18:58] can someone help me make wifi usb adapter TL-WN723N work [18:58] http://www.noobslab.com/2012/01/install-minitube-youtube-client-in.html suggests sudo apt-get purge phonon-backend-xine if you have any problems [18:59] j0bi: i would run lsusb and see if it shows up [18:59] it shows [18:59] j0bi: then i would share the line about the hardware here, and i'll help you search [18:59] but it doesnt been shown in the network manager [18:59] ok just a sec please [19:00] ID 0bda:8176 Realtek Semiconductor Corp. [19:01] holstein: [19:01] thanks for the link, but i have downloaded version 1-8 via http://www.archlinux.org/packages/community/x86_64/minitube/ [19:01] hey the trash bin disappear, how do i get it back? [19:02] so i need the commands to write in the cli, the links you sent me was only for version 1.7 [19:02] i would either follow something like http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1658112 or try the windows driver in ndisgtk j0bi [19:03] jonasen: i would look and see what version is currently in that PPA... otherwise, there should be a readme in the pacakge you downloaded with support [19:03] jonasen: consider using checkinstall [19:03] !checkinstall [19:03] checkinstall is a wrapper to "make install", useful for installing programs you compiled. It will create a .deb package, which will be listed in the APT database and can be uninstalled like other packages. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CheckInstall - Read the warnings at the top and bottom of that web page, and DO NOT interrupt CheckInstall while it's running! [19:03] let me read and try something and if i have prob i will ask for help [19:03] thanks [19:06] j0bi: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1030858 seems relevant? [19:06] Launchpad bug 1030858 in linux (Ubuntu) "0bda:8176 RTL8188CUS does not connect to wireless networks" [High,Triaged] [19:07] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1030858 i will check [19:07] Launchpad bug 1030858 in linux (Ubuntu) "0bda:8176 RTL8188CUS does not connect to wireless networks" [High,Triaged] [19:07] Hello everybody! Can someone help me with running native applications on Lubuntu? [19:08] Jotek: sure.. anything "native" should just install and run easily [19:09] Jotek: i would just use whatever package manager you are comfortable with to search and install them.. synaptic is a nice tool... full featured and easy to use [19:09] holstein: it does not! When I'm trying to run it I get an window, where I have to choose the best app to work with, when I try to run it with terminal I get a "permision denied" error. [19:09] Jotek: it? synaptic? [19:10] hostein: nope, this application [19:10] Jotek: cool... what application are you tying to run? [19:10] holstein: (the one I'm trying to run) [19:10] holstein: Tibia Client for linux (rpg game) [19:11] holstein: the wget at the bug report and solution asks for user and pass [19:11] :( [19:11] j0bi: link what you got in pastebin.. wget should download into your home folder anywhere with no issues [19:12] i dont understand what to link? [19:12] the ftp asks for pass [19:13] j0bi: whatever error messages you are seeing and having an issue with [19:13] j0bi: ok. then i would search for the package from another source, or ask the maintainer for the pass, or try the windows driver in ndiswrapper with ndisgkt [19:13] ndisgtk** [19:13] ok [19:14] !ndisgtk [19:14] how to see what driver the wifi uses [19:15] j0bi: i would go to the manufacturer and ask... i would grab the windows one and try it [19:15] ndisgtk: graphical frontend for ndiswrapper (installation of Windows WiFi drivers) [19:16] holstein: StartTibia.sh: 11: StartTibia.sh: ./libc6/ld-linux.so.2: Permission denied <- this is an error I have [19:17] Jotek: i would be cautious of running that as root.. maybe to the point of running a live CD to test it [19:17] holstein: jotekk@jotekk-HP-d530-SFF-DC578AV:~/Tibia$ sudo sh StartTibia.sh StartTibia.sh: 11: StartTibia.sh: ./libc6/ld-linux.so.2: Permission denied <- as you can see - same thing [19:17] Jotek: where did you get what you have downloaded?.. i cant see a download option without making an account [19:17] uhm [19:18] http://static.tibia.com/download/tibia961.tgz [19:21] Jotek: i dont see a readme, and all i get is errors [19:22] i would ask the maintainers what you are supposed to do, and maybe consider wine, or looking in a PPA [19:22] holstein: can i ask you. i download the driver from the manufacture that is for windows? [19:22] holstein: damn [19:23] j0bi: if you see a linux one, try it. you can also try with ndisgtk the windows driver [19:24] http://www.ubuntubuzz.com/2011/08/download-ubuntu-gamepack-1104.html has it for example Jotek [19:24] thanks :) [19:24] i would look into where it got it from and how [19:25] holstein: i just installed ndisgtk i open the prog and it i click install new driver [19:25] and i asks me for the inf file [19:25] j0bi: correct.. the windows driver from the manufacturer [19:25] hostein: 4.3gb, argh! [19:25] so i must download it from internet [19:25] Jotek: im not suggesting you download or use it.. im just saying it was included there.. in ubuntu [19:26] yeah, it works on ubuntu [19:26] Jotek: lubuntu *is* ubuntu [19:26] holstein: as we can see - not totally [19:27] Jotek: you dont have to say "we", becuase they are the same repos.. with access to the same programs.. [19:27] i would think it more likely a software version issue.. like, you are using a verion of ubuntu that support that software, and the lubuntu version doesnt [19:27] holstein: i have the cd [19:28] can i use that??? [19:28] j0bi: what cd? [19:28] with the drivers of the wifi adapter [19:28] j0bi: sure... [19:28] that came with the usb [19:29] that is a plausible method to obtain windows drivers supplied by the manufacturer [19:29] and, you'll know they should work :) [19:29] holstein: wich one to use [19:29] it has for win xp vista and 7 [19:30] i always try XP... you can try one, and see, and try another... [19:30] ok [19:31] holstein-> i have installed checkinstall, but it the command "sudo checkinstall minitube" doesnt work [19:32] jonasen: i would install from PPA... [19:32] PPA? sorry im new [19:32] if you want to troubleshoot the current issue, you'll need to pastebin errors [19:32] jonasen: the link i linked earlier [19:33] it says hardware not present but i d [19:33]