[00:30] <Sweetshark> jasoncwarner_: and? am I fired? or did I say nothing dangerous?
[03:17] <desrt> am i better off installing the last alpha or a nightly?
[03:19]  * desrt goes for the nightly
[03:20] <RAOF> Nightly.
[03:20] <RAOF> Always the nigthly.
[03:20] <desrt> for you that's a daily, right?
[03:24] <RAOF> :P
[03:43] <desrt> RAOF: so nightly isn't going so well
[03:43] <desrt> know anything about why X would give me a completely black screen without even a cursor?
[03:44] <desrt> terminal is totally cool.  X is running and ubiquity is apparently running inside of it...
[03:44] <desrt> dbus and a11y are up.  for some reason dconf is started.
[03:46] <RAOF> desrt: Sounds fun.
[03:46] <RAOF> desrt: As always, Xorg.0.log and dmesg is the price of admission to the debug train.
[03:47] <desrt> RAOF: well, that's the odd thing
[03:47] <desrt> i have an Xorg.1.log for some reason
[03:47] <desrt> with a 'no screens found' at the bottom
[03:47] <jbicha> I've got the nautilus update
[03:48] <desrt> huh.  no more pastebin tool in quantal?
[03:48] <desrt> ah.  cd only has main
[03:49] <desrt> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1158318/ http://paste.ubuntu.com/1158319/ http://paste.ubuntu.com/1158320/
[03:50] <desrt> RAOF: ^ dmesg, Xorg.0.log, Xorg.1.log
[03:51] <thumper> desrt: I blame dconf
[03:51] <RAOF> desrt: Ok, that's confusing.
[03:51]  * thumper ducks and runs
[03:51] <desrt> thumper: i blame people who use dconf :)
[03:51] <RAOF> You might want to try VT8 or 9 or somesuch; there does appear to be an X server running correctly, although something has decided to spawn a second one for some reason.
[03:51] <desrt> RAOF: vt7 has the X server that's running 'correctly'
[03:52] <desrt> that's the all-black one
[03:52] <desrt> root      2966  0.6  0.1  85948  8920 tty7     Ss+  03:39   0:05 X -br -ac -noreset -nolisten tcp -background none vt7 :0
[03:52]  * desrt kicks it oldschool with gpm
[03:53] <RAOF> [   264.236] removing GPU device /sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:02.0/drm/card0 -458544560
[03:53] <RAOF> [   264.236] xf86: remove device 0 /sys/devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:02.0/drm/card0
[03:53]  * desrt is sort of enjoying this vt business -- maybe X is overrated after all
[03:53] <RAOF> [   264.236] (II) config/udev: Adding drm device (/dev/dri/card0)
[03:53] <RAOF> That's the only vaguely suspicion bit.
[03:53] <desrt> RAOF: that might have been when i docked my machine to try to get network
[03:53] <desrt> guessing based on the timestamps...
[03:54] <desrt> the problem existed before then...
[03:55] <desrt> RAOF: so two X servers starting...
[03:56] <desrt> could that be robert_ancell or mterry's bug?
[03:56]  * desrt would be happy to just download the alpha for a working installer, but there's clearly a bug here...
[03:57] <RAOF> desrt: Probably robert_ancell's bug.
[03:57] <desrt> lightdm doesn't appear to be running :/
[03:57]  * desrt blames ubiquity
[04:00] <desrt> killing X and restarting /etc/init.d/ubiquity gets me a non-black screen (with just the background showing, still no mouse cursor)
[04:01] <desrt> pretty sure this isn't your problem
[04:01] <RAOF> Yeah, all *my* stuff seems to be firing on all cylinders.
[04:01] <desrt> asking in #ubuntu-installer
[04:08] <TheMuso> desrt: You say a11y was up... What do you mean by this exactly?
[04:08] <TheMuso> desrt: If you mean during the installer, thats code that needs removing now that we use GTK3.
[04:15] <desrt> TheMuso: i mean that atspi was running
[04:16] <desrt> complete with its own private dbus and the registryd
[04:36] <desrt> new kernel seems snappier for some reason
[04:37] <desrt> jbicha: so i install gnome-shell and try to get into the gnome-shell session but i get a black screen (this time with a cursor)
[04:38] <desrt> hm.  i bet it has something to do with some config i have in my ~
[04:45] <jbicha> I don't know, do you use any GS extensions?
[04:51] <desrt> ya
[04:51] <desrt> could well have been the issue
[04:51] <desrt> i'm taking this as a chance to clean up my old config stuff
[04:51] <desrt> robert_ancell: do you know if lightdm is involved at all in starting ubiquity?
[04:51] <robert_ancell> desrt, I don't know what they do there, maybe?
[04:52] <robert_ancell> it is run from a session I think?
[04:52] <desrt> okay.  definitely not your bug then
[04:52] <desrt> the daily installer is not working
[04:56] <desrt> huh.  alt+drag is gone
[04:56] <desrt> win+drag is the new awesome, apparently
[04:56] <desrt> should make gimp users happy...
[04:58] <desrt> jbicha: new shell is looking pretty good
[04:58] <desrt> 'cept the fact that the lock screen is not functioning :)
[04:59] <desrt> fortunately it still works if you suspend...
[04:59]  * desrt goes to bed
[04:59] <TheMuso> desrt: Ubiquity is started with an upstart job.
[04:59] <robert_ancell> TheMuso, what starts X?
[05:05] <jbicha> desrt: too bad we're stuck for now with an old gnome shell version
[05:05] <TheMuso> jbicha: Why is that?
[05:06] <jbicha> TheMuso: it requires GDM 3.5 :(
[05:06] <TheMuso> Ah.
[05:07] <jbicha> desrt: alt+drag works fine here
[05:24] <smspillaz> hmm
[05:25] <smspillaz> is there a way to say in GObject "this properly can only be set upon construction, but it might not be set" ?
[05:34] <pitti> Bonjour mes amis
[05:35] <Sweetshark> bonsoir!
[05:35]  * Sweetshark still around from a pre-ff allnighter.
[05:35] <pitti> Sweetshark: oh, where are you? US?
[05:35] <pitti> urgh
[06:16] <Sweetshark> <- off to bed
[07:49] <seb128> hey desktopers
[07:53] <pitti> bonjour seb128
[07:53] <seb128> pitti, hey, wie gehts?
[07:54] <pitti> seb128: ça va bien, et toi?
[07:55] <seb128> pitti, mir geht es gut, danke!
[07:56] <seb128> Laney, pitti: did any of you start looking at the glib,gtk updates?
[07:56] <pitti> I fought with glib's tests today and finally got it building
[07:56] <pitti> but I didn't look at the new version
[07:57] <pitti> I'm still fighting with the post-holiday mail/bug backlog and had to do a pygobject day as well
[07:58] <seb128> ok
[07:58] <seb128> just checking before starting on those, I need the new gtk to unblock #dx work that needs to land for ff
[08:00] <pitti> hm, according to my pygobject build failures on arm*, it seems gtk was updated (uninstallable build deps)
[08:00] <pitti> hm, no
[08:00]  * pitti sighs at http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/testing/quantal_probs.html
[08:02] <seb128> wth?
[08:02] <seb128> pitti, oh, it's gdk-pixbuf
[08:03] <seb128> going to be solved on the next published run
[08:03] <seb128> need to teach robert_ancell about using quantal-proposed :p
[08:04] <pitti> yeah, it's really better for libs like gtk/glib/pixbuf
[08:04] <pitti> "starts in 10 hours" -- /me bumps build score
[08:05] <seb128> pitti, which one?
[08:05] <pitti> gdk-pixbuf armel and powerpc builds
[08:05] <seb128> ah
[08:05] <seb128> pitti, danke
[08:14] <chrisccoulson> good morning everyone
[08:16] <seb128> chrisccoulson, hey, how are you?
[08:16] <chrisccoulson> seb128, yeah, not too bad thanks. how are you?
[08:16] <seb128> I'm good thanks
[08:18] <chrisccoulson> i'm nearly out of coffee :(
[08:18] <seb128> chrisccoulson, are you ready for the feature freeze? still planning to land things? ;-) or did you get pull off in bug fixing and fire fighting all along?
[08:19] <chrisccoulson> seb128, yeah, i'm not likely to be landing much this week. i've got other stuff to do ;)
[08:33] <Laney> seb128: Probably best not to wait on me for gtk, got some packing to do today ;-) (moving thursday)
[08:34] <seb128> Laney, ok, good luck with the packing and moving ;-)
[08:34] <Laney> first job is to find a shop who will give me empty boxes
[08:40] <seb128> doing gtksourceview3 update
[08:41] <pitti> hey Laney
[08:41] <pitti> Laney: did you notice that with the l-s update you now get warnings at the start of every GTK program?
[08:41] <Laney> pitti: are you talking about the fontconfig ones?
[08:41] <pitti> yes
[08:41] <Laney> yeah, those started when we got the new fontconfig
[08:42] <seb128> pitti, the ones in http://paste.ubuntu.com/1146801/ ?
[08:42] <Laney> you get a ton of them if you happen to have the wrong packages installed
[08:42] <Laney> but some of the wrong ones happen to be in 69-ls-ja-jp
[08:42] <Laney> those are the ones I'm thinking of
[08:42] <pitti> right, those
[08:43] <Laney> if nobody gets to it before me then I'll be fixing that when I break the configs out into the font packages
[08:44] <Laney> xnox was asking about it in -release a few days ago, so perhaps he's looking at it?
[08:44] <pitti> it's certainly not urgent, and I guess we had these all the time once you used l-s to install the configs
[08:45] <Laney> the warnings are new, but possibly the configs were always broken
[08:45] <Laney> (they came with the new fontconfig which we got quite recently)
[08:45] <Laney> many other font packages are affected
[08:46] <seb128> pitti, so warnings started with the fontconfig update, they are on my todo but lower than ff topics
[08:46] <pitti> ah, ok; thanks
[08:47] <seb128> pitti, do you know how often http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/testing/quantal_probs.html is updated?
[08:48] <pitti> seb128: after each publisher run
[08:48] <seb128> hum
[08:48] <seb128> "Generated: Tue Aug 21 06:41:53 UTC 2012"
[08:48] <seb128> iz bog?
[08:48] <seb128> pitti, do you know where to look for errors? where is that script running?
[08:49] <pitti> on people.c.c, sudo -u ubuntu-archive -i
[08:50] <seb128> danke
[08:50] <pitti> 2-52/10 * * * *archive-reports
[09:18] <seb128> doing the gcr update
[09:21] <seb128> Sweetshark, hey
[09:28] <pitti> seb128: he worked until 7:30 or so, I guess he's tight asleep
[09:43] <dholbach> hello my desktop friends
[09:43] <dholbach> can somebody please have a look at https://code.launchpad.net/~logan/ubuntu/quantal/notify-osd/debian-merge/+merge/118465?
[09:44] <dholbach> it generally looks alright, but I'm not quite sure (as indicated in the merge proposal comments) if some of the Debian decisions shouldn't be backed out again
[09:46] <dholbach> ^ Laney maybe? :)
[09:51] <tkamppeter> pitti, hi
[09:53] <dholbach> hey seb128 :)
[09:53] <seb128> dholbach, mon ami!
[09:54] <Laney> dholbach: howdy, maybe later this evening; today I am mostly packing
[09:54] <Laney> (also on 3G only)
[09:55] <dholbach> seb128, tes coéquipiers sont très paresseux(?)
[09:55] <dholbach> ah, ok, Laney a une excuse :)
[09:56] <seb128> dholbach, oui, il faudrait les faire travailler un peu plus
[09:56] <dholbach> evidament
[09:56] <seb128> dholbach, I will have a look to that merge request
[09:57]  * dholbach hugs seb128
[09:57]  * seb128 hugs dholbach back
[09:58] <Laney> très impoli!
[09:59] <dholbach> pourquoi? j'ai seulement dit que tous les autres sont paresseux - pas toi, Laney :)
[11:13] <tkamppeter> pitti, ping
[11:45] <Sweetshark> seb128: pong
[11:46] <Sweetshark> seb128: did you see the libreoffice package for quantal-proposed on chinstrap?
[11:46] <seb128> Sweetshark, I was wondering why you included the orig in your libreoffice upload
[11:46] <seb128> Sweetshark, wasn't that just a new revision of the version already in quantal?
[11:48] <Sweetshark> seb128: oh, true.
[11:49] <seb128> Sweetshark, well anyway, uploaded and soyuz accepted it, so I guess it knows to discard unrequired tarballs
[11:49] <Sweetshark> *mumble* 7am allnighterworkquality *cheapexcuses*
[11:49] <Sweetshark> seb128: good
[11:49] <seb128> Sweetshark, well done on getting that landing on time btw ;-)
[11:50] <Sweetshark> seb128: it includes both the sessioninstaller and the menubar stuff.
[11:50] <seb128> Sweetshark, I saw! time to close some work items? ;-)
[11:50] <Sweetshark> seb128: guess so.
[11:50]  * Sweetshark takes a look.
[11:50] <pitti> hello tkamppeter
[12:17] <seb128> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/113068990/buildlog_ubuntu-quantal-amd64.glib2.0_2.33.10-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[12:17] <seb128> hum, I hate you too glib!
[12:18] <seb128> "make[1]: Target `check' not remade because of errors." ... thanks, what error?
[12:19] <Sweetshark> seb128: waaah. dont post such horrorstories just before ff.
[12:19] <Sweetshark> not fair!
[12:20] <seb128> I wonder if I will get pitti knocking on my door if I don't make glib fail build on test suit issues :p
[12:21]  * pitti is in a meeting, bbl
[12:21] <pitti> quantal-proposed!
[12:22] <seb128> pitti, it's in quantal-proposed :p
[12:23] <seb128> ok, quick, pitti is in a meeting, let's drop tests and upload to quantal :p
[12:23] <pitti> which test failed?
[12:24] <seb128> pitti, dunno, it does "Target `check' not remade because of errors."
[12:24] <pitti> search for FAIL$
[12:24] <seb128> pitti, but no hurry, focus on your meeting, I will try to figure out what's going on
[12:24] <pitti> it's built with -j4, so the error is not at the bottom
[12:25] <seb128> pitti, oh ok, got it
[12:25] <seb128> pitti, danke
[12:26] <seb128> pitti, it's an issue desrt and mclasen mentioned yesterday
[12:26] <pitti> you might need to retry the build as a first attemt
[12:26] <seb128> no, it's an issue with one of the gio launch tests which requires g-t or another command line
[12:28] <seb128> it's coming from http://git.gnome.org/browse/glib/commit/?id=f89e9deaec3bf279eac5073a30d6d3d7b2a1568b
[12:36] <tkamppeter> pitti, do you have time today to talk about a printer driver auto download problem?
[12:37] <pitti> tkamppeter: I'm in a meeting, but after that, sure; what's up?
[12:39] <tkamppeter> pitti, I am thinking about cutting down Jockey so that installing drivers from OpenPrinting for a given device ID remains, to use its dual GTK/KDE GUI to show properties and license. The (hopefully small) remaining code piece I would add to the s-c-p package (as part of cupshelpers perhaps).
[12:42] <tkamppeter> pitti, this would save both Ubuntu and Kubuntu from the printer driver auto download regression.
[12:47] <tkamppeter> pitti, I am asking for your help to find the right code pieces.
[12:57] <pitti> re (meeting done)
[12:58] <pitti> seb128: so perhaps we should disable those tests for now; teh current package already disables another one with a race condition
[12:58] <pitti> that's better than disabling the whole thing IMHO
[12:58] <pitti> tkamppeter: the example that I sent that uses PackageKit doesn't work?
[12:58] <seb128> pitti, yeah, I was just going to revert that commit, it's early in the chain of some FF madness stack and I don't have time to investigate details today
[12:58] <pitti> tkamppeter: I think Kubuntu still uses Jockey, but it's gone from Ubuntu/Xubuntu/etc.
[12:59] <pitti> seb128: sounds good
[13:01] <pitti> tkamppeter: which particular code pieces do you need, i. e. which functionality? Installation or detection?
[13:01] <tkamppeter> pitti, the example works perfectly, doing the part of installing the package, but before arriving there one needs the confirmation of the user that he wants the driver.
[13:01] <pitti> tkamppeter: installation should happen via the PK API, that should work in both U and K
[13:02] <pitti> tkamppeter: can't the s-c-p GUI show this?
[13:02] <pitti> should be not much more than a message box?
[13:02] <pitti> tkamppeter: if you want an exising API, you could also use the sessioninstaller API, which has a builtin confirmation dialog
[13:03]  * pitti check which API he used in that example script, that was before holidays
[13:04] <tkamppeter> pitti, it needs to also be able to show more than one driver and whether the driver is already installed.
[13:05] <pitti> tkamppeter: hang on, I'll get you another example using the sessioninstaller API; that might be more suitable for your purposes
[13:05] <pitti> tkamppeter: do you know the dialog box that totem or firefox show when you need to install a video codec?
[13:05] <pitti> this sounds like a very similar problem
[13:06] <Sweetshark> pitti, tkamppeter: are you looking for this: http://www.packagekit.org/files/session.py ?
[13:06] <tkamppeter> pitti, I had already such a box popping up in the Movie Player but the actual installation did not work.
[13:07] <pitti> Sweetshark: right, that
[13:07] <pitti> tkamppeter: it got fixed today
[13:07] <tkamppeter> pitti, the actual info shown to the user is a data record of the OpenPrinting database, a driver entry.
[13:07] <pitti> Sweetshark: hm, quite; you can't choose between those, right?
[13:08] <pitti> so I think this part needs some custom UI
[13:08] <pitti> and then the sessioninstaller API to confirm the installation
[13:12] <tkamppeter> pitti, the Movie Player still does not work for me. I try to access "rtp://..." streams and after some whirling of a plugin utility I get "Required plugin could not be found, Python (v2.7) requires to install plugins to support the following multimedia feature: RTP protocol source" with only a Close button. What does it mean? RTP support never done for Movie Player? VLC plays these streams without problem.
[13:13] <pitti> VLC doesn't use gstreamer, presumably you are missing a gst plugin
[13:13] <pitti> tkamppeter: but anyway, the gstreamer handling there is a special case, we can't just use it for printer drivers
[13:13] <pitti> so s-c-p needs to show the results by itself
[13:13] <pitti> and then use either the packagekit-glib (as in my example script) or the sessioninstaller API (as in http://www.packagekit.org/files/session.py) to do the actual install
[13:22] <pitti> tkamppeter: as for the presentation thingy, you can certainly grab dialog_manager from gtk/jockey-gtk.ui (and perhaps cut it down in glade), and take some code from gtk/jockey-gtk, update_tree_model() and update_driver_info_ui()
[13:22] <pitti> it's not rocket science, but treeviews take some effort to learn
[13:53] <vds> hi all, can anyone helpme with an issue I have with unity after a broken dist upgrade to precise? Unity cannot find any apps, that's what happens when I press Super http://ubuntuone.com/6HQTcBJ2zi0ae1pail0izl
[13:53] <vds> dobey, ^^ any idea? :)
[13:58] <dobey> vds: no idea. you upgraded from 10.04 to 12.04 using dist-upgrade?
[13:58] <vds> dobey, yep
[13:58] <vds> dobey, and it crashed half way
[14:01] <robru> good morning!
[14:01] <pitti> seb128: hm, does the archive mounter work for you at the moment?
[14:02] <pitti> seb128: that's the first test case that I'm writing, and promptly it seems it doesn't work for me :(
[14:02] <seb128> pitti, like usb key prompting stuff?
[14:02] <seb128> robru, hey, how are you?
[14:02] <dobey> vds: why didn't you use the GUI upgrader?
[14:02] <pitti> seb128: no, opening a .zip, .iso, or .tar.gz as a gvfs mount
[14:02] <robru> seb128, doing well. and you?
[14:02] <pitti> seb128: right click -> open with -> archive mounter
[14:02] <seb128> robru, I'm good thanks
[14:03] <vds> dobey, I did, I used update-manager -d and it crashed after like 4 hours
[14:03] <dobey> ah
[14:04] <dobey> vds: sorry, i usually take dist-upgrade to mean "using apt-get dist-upgrade after tweaking sources.list"
[14:04] <dobey> vds: does "apt-get -f install" help?
[14:05] <vds> dobey, I was left with a completely broken machine, so after fixing grub with a live and going through apt-get -f install and some other pain now I'm stuck with a desktop that doesn't work :)
[14:05] <seb128> pitti, minute, I've no "archive mounter" listed at all atm, trying to figure that out
[14:06] <seb128> pitti, ah, it works on an iso
[14:06] <seb128> pitti, just mounted the natty iso fine
[14:06] <seb128> cyphermox, hey
[14:06] <seb128> cyphermox, could you have a look to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution/+bug/1038573? it seems similar to a bug you fixed before precise
[14:06] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 1038573 in evolution "Unreadable messages displayed during Lucid -> Precise upgrade" [High,Triaged]
[14:07] <seb128> pitti, the command to run is "/usr/lib/gvfs/gvfsd-archive file=...."
[14:07] <seb128> pitti, what does that say for you?
[14:08] <cyphermox> seb128: sure. that promises to be a fun one to debug
[14:08] <dobey> vds: no idea what is wrong :-/
[14:08] <seb128> pitti,
[14:08] <seb128> $ /usr/lib/gvfs/gvfsd-archive file=/tmp/nautilus_3.4.2.orig.tar.xz
[14:08] <seb128> ** (process:13026): WARNING **: daemon-main.c: Acquired the name on the session message bus
[14:08] <seb128> pitti, works for me, I get a nautilus_3.4.2.orig.tar.gz mount in my nautilus sidebar
[14:09] <seb128> under "network" though
[14:09] <vds> dobey, thanks, any idea of some I can bother with that?
[14:09] <kenvandine> pitti, i have a typelib package that contains a gi override for python2
[14:10] <kenvandine> is there a best practice how to support both python2 and python3?
[14:12] <pitti> seb128: ok, so I guess I screwed up something localy; thanks for testing!
[14:12] <seb128> pitti, yw
[14:12] <dobey> vds: not sure; maybe dx team. looks like maybe bamf is broken
[14:12] <pitti> kenvandine: use dh_python2 and dh_python3 to install it for all supported versions, perhaps?
[14:13] <seb128> cyphermox, thanks
[14:13] <dobey> kenvandine: supporting gi for both, or supporting python code for both?
[14:13] <kenvandine> just packaging...
[14:13] <kenvandine> i think i figured it out
[14:13] <kenvandine> thx pitti
[14:14] <dobey> kenvandine: have you seen http://wiki.debian.org/Python/LibraryStyleGuide ?
[14:15] <dobey> kenvandine: i based the python3 packaging stuff for dirspec off that page (so feel free to look at dirspec package for hints as well)
[14:15] <kenvandine> thx
[14:15] <dobey> though dirspec doesn't have any scripts
[14:15] <kenvandine> dee does it too
[14:16] <dobey> so not sure exactly how scripts are affected by that yet
[14:33] <chrisccoulson> woohoo, hello fibre!
[14:33] <chrisccoulson> (well, hopefully in a bit)
[14:33] <chrisccoulson> am temporarily downgraded to 3g ;)
[14:34] <seb128> chrisccoulson, nice!
[14:55] <pitti> bonne nuit mes amis!
[14:55] <pitti> c'est ça, c'est l'heur pour du glace!
[14:55] <pitti> err, "pour du" is probably wrong
[15:01] <seb128> pitti, "pour de la" works ;-)
[15:01] <seb128> pitti, enjoy!
[15:01] <chrisccoulson> nice, 75Mbps downlink!
[15:01] <chrisccoulson> and i'm getting 15Mbps uplink too
[15:04] <ogra_> chrisccoulson, getting ? like cjwatson "got" his ?
[15:05] <ogra_> (not sure if he is already off the 3G after the third week)
[15:06] <chrisccoulson> ogra_, yes, i've got it now :)
[15:07] <ogra_> ah, cool
[15:34] <mterry> kenvandine, feel like another needs-packaging review for some thin client stuff?
[15:34] <mterry> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1039585
[15:34] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 1039585 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging] libpam-freerdp" [Undecided,New]
[15:35] <kenvandine> mterry, sure
[15:36] <mterry> kenvandine, wait one second, just found a problem with the packaging
[15:36] <seb128> kenvandine, chrisccoulson, Ursinha, Laney, mlankhorst, cyphermox, mterry, Sweetshark, tkamppeter, robru: it's meeting time if anyone has a topic (none on the wiki so far), also please update https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2012-08-21 with things you worked on this week for those who didn't write anything yet
[15:36] <kenvandine> ok
[15:36] <seb128> kenvandine, chrisccoulson, Ursinha, Laney, mlankhorst, cyphermox, mterry, Sweetshark, tkamppeter, robru: I don't have any topic (out of: get features landing this week) but a note, welcome robru he's new in the team ;-)
[15:37] <mterry> hi seb128!  I have a quick topic:  just that I have a couple more packages coming in the next hour that need needs-packaging and NEW reviews
[15:37] <cyphermox> seb128: maybe I got a topic after all
[15:37] <kenvandine> welcome robru!
[15:37] <mlankhorst> seb128: you mean upstream right? :p
[15:37] <cyphermox> hey robru, welcome
[15:37] <robru> hi all
[15:37] <mlankhorst> and heya robru
[15:37] <mterry> Welcome robru!
[15:37] <robru> thanks!
[15:38] <cyphermox> topic> for bluetooth; there was a bug open to update obexd to 0.47 to remove it from the NBS list (due to EDS), but it doesn't seem to me as being safe, looks like the packages don't all fit together so well with the updates now, for bluetooth packages (obexd, obex-data-server, bluez)
[15:39] <cyphermox> so perhaps just a "be careful, things are likely to break if the current pacakges change"
[15:39] <seb128> cyphermox, ok, can you write that in the bug tracking the update? thanks
[15:39] <cyphermox> yup
[15:39] <cyphermox> ah, also
[15:39] <cyphermox> EDS -- there's a lot of stuff in the NBS list
[15:39] <cyphermox> seb128: I'm not sure if you spent a lot of time on it
[15:40] <seb128> no, I was in .1 and then ff crazyness
[15:40] <cyphermox> I may need help; some of the changes needed are pretty involved, or there are some packages we might want to drop altogether
[15:40] <seb128> I plan to catch up on +1 work next week
[15:40] <seb128> yeah, I do plan to agressively drop
[15:40] <seb128> like fedora dropped dates and contacts for example
[15:40] <cyphermox> the changes in EDS 3.5 were pretty painful for ebackend
[15:40] <cyphermox> ah
[15:40] <seb128> we should rather drop those sort of things
[15:41] <cyphermox> that simplifies things :)
[15:41] <cyphermox> yes
[15:41] <seb128> I don't want us to spend too much time on universe stuff that are unmaintained for years
[15:41] <seb128> it's not the best use of our resources not what benefits our users
[15:41] <cyphermox> I was thinking those might just end up being dropped anyway, so I hadn't touched them
[15:41] <seb128> great
[15:41] <cyphermox> but yeah, there is still things like evolution-exchange :/
[15:41] <seb128> I will catch up with that and ping you next week
[15:41] <seb128> it's on my list
[15:42] <seb128> thanks for raising those topics
[15:42] <cyphermox> works for me, it will give me time to look into whether NM and all are all okay
[15:42] <seb128> mterry, needs-packaging ... you mean you are looking for packagers?
[15:42] <seb128> mterry, I can NEW review for you but I'm too busy to package stuff from scratch
[15:43] <seb128> mterry, do you need somebody else to help on that? maybe robru?
[15:43] <mterry> seb128, no, I got the packaging.  I just need another reviewer and a NEW
[15:43] <cyphermox> mterry: I'll be happy to review
[15:43] <robru> I'm not especially busy if you want to dump some work on me. I'm just randomly doing packages at the moment
[15:43] <cyphermox> got to do piloting today
[15:43] <mterry> cyphermox, kenvandine said he also could do a review.  So maybe you each take 1
[15:43] <mterry> or if you are piloting...
[15:43] <cyphermox> ok
[15:43] <mterry> We'll figure it uout
[15:44] <seb128> I can NEW
[15:44] <mterry> seb128, just a heads up is all, aweomse
[15:44] <mterry> awesome even
[15:44] <kenvandine> cyphermox, if you are pilot... please do :)
[15:44] <mterry> cyphermox, :)  will give you bugs later
[15:44] <seb128> mterry, I don't think you need you need reviews for NEW packages to be honest, just upload
[15:44] <cyphermox> mterry: great ;)
[15:44] <mterry> seb128, process, process!
[15:44] <seb128> mterry, it's not rocket science, if the archive admin (in this case me) is happy we are all happy
[15:44] <mterry> We still technically need 2 MOTUs right?
[15:44] <mterry> seb128, I guess you can do the second MOTU review while NEWing
[15:44] <seb128> mterry, do you have german roots? :p
[15:45] <mterry> :)
[15:45] <mterry> seb128, nowadays it's not rocket science.  Long live dh7!
[15:45] <seb128> mterry, that rules is to avoid having non experienced packagers flood the queue with low quality uploads
[15:45] <seb128> and yeah, you = 1 MOTU, me doing NEW review = 2 MOTUs
[15:45] <seb128> so we are all good
[15:45] <mterry> OK
[15:46] <mterry> cyphermox, you can go back to boring piloting!  :)
[15:46] <cyphermox> hehe
[15:46] <cyphermox> I'll get that going after lunch
[15:46] <seb128> ok
[15:46] <seb128> another topic?
[15:46] <cyphermox> not so much a topic, but I'm about to upload a new NM
[15:47] <cyphermox> it's supposed to magically do stuff for DNS
[15:47] <cyphermox> have fun :)
[15:47] <seb128> should we fear for you internet access? ;-)
[15:47] <cyphermox> maybe
[15:47] <seb128> our*
[15:47] <seb128> hehe
[15:47] <cyphermox> seriously, no
[15:47] <seb128> ok, all good then
[15:47] <cyphermox> it's just working on top of what was already in quantal, making it more reliable
[15:47] <seb128> happy feature freeeze rush ;-)
[15:47] <seb128> thanks everyone
[15:47] <jbicha> seb128: we want to do bug 1032833, right?
[15:47] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1032833 in nautilus "Nautilus preferences: sort-directories-first should be enabled by default" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1032833
[15:47] <cyphermox> but since we now do dns updates to dnsmasq over dbus... just to be careful :)
[15:48] <seb128> jbicha, yes
[15:49] <cyphermox> kenvandine: looking at the pad... we could drop the entries about EDS no? :)
[15:49] <kenvandine> yeah
[15:50] <kenvandine> i don't think i've looked at the pad in 2 weeks :/
[15:50] <jbicha> we're going to make some kind of ubuntu-default-settings for these gsettings overrides?
[15:50] <cyphermox> well, I hadn't either :P
[15:58] <davmor2> kenvandine: so how many time in total rebuilding empathy in the end :)
[15:59] <seb128> jbicha, we could yes
[15:59] <seb128> jbicha, or abuse ubuntu-artwork for it, I think it already set some
[16:03] <mterry> seb128, lightdm-remote-session-freerdp and libpam-freerdp are ready
[16:04] <seb128> mterry, uploaded or to review somewhere?
[16:04] <mterry> seb128, uploaded
[16:04] <seb128> great
[16:05] <kenvandine> davmor2, i am guessing about 40 :)
[16:05] <kenvandine> mostly because cdbs can be a pita
[16:05] <kenvandine> seb128, ^^
[16:05]  * kenvandine ducks 
[16:06] <seb128> lol
[16:07] <kenvandine> someday i am going to convert empathy to dh9 :)
[16:09] <davmor2> kenvandine: I get confused is someday the day after saturday  ;)  p.s. today is a someday surely :D
[16:09] <kenvandine> hehe
[16:09] <Sweetshark> seb128: did you just break the lo build on arm/ppc with that gtk3 tweaking?
[16:12] <seb128> Sweetshark, yeah, arch all,any mismatch, I will retry libreoffice once gtk is published
[16:13] <Sweetshark> seb128: you are only doing that to torture me!
[16:13] <seb128> I wouldn't never do that to a fellow desktoper ;-)
[16:19] <Sweetshark> <- gone now.
[16:26] <seb128> mterry, src/pam-freerdp.c ... can we get license and copyright infos in the sources (not a blocker but it's better if that could be fixed in a further upload)
[16:27] <mterry> seb128, talk to upstream!  ;)  tedg ^
[16:27] <mterry> I am but a lowly packager
[16:28] <seb128> ;-)
[16:28] <tedg> Will do.
[16:28] <seb128> tedg, thanks
[16:28] <tedg> It is now ON A POST-IT  (that's how you know it's serious)
[16:29] <seb128> ouh, tedg is not joking today!
[16:30] <seb128> tedg, mterry: libpam-freerdp NEWed to quantal
[16:30] <mterry> yay
[16:31] <seb128> tedg, mterry: lightdm-remote-session-freerdp  as well
[16:33] <mterry> thanks!
[16:33] <tedg> Thanks seb128!
[17:19] <seb128> mterry, hum
[17:19] <mterry> seb128, what's up?
[17:19] <seb128> mterry, lightdm-remote-session-freerdp is binary buggy
[17:20] <seb128> mterry,
[17:20] <seb128> $ grep 86 usr/share/lightdm/remote-sessions/freerdp.desktop
[17:20] <seb128> Exec=/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/lightdm-remote-session-freerdp/freerdp-session
[17:20] <seb128> TryExec=/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/lightdm-remote-session-freerdp/freerdp-session
[17:20] <seb128>  
[17:20] <seb128> mterry, in an arch all binary
[17:20] <mterry> seb128, I noticed that, but it's only because they used pkglibexecdir
[17:20] <mterry> seb128, you'd rather the script went into /usr/share?
[17:20] <seb128> hum, I guess it might work since the path is the same everywhere
[17:21] <seb128> mterry, well, if it's arch neutral it should no?
[17:21] <mterry> seb128, I guess.  I've think I've seen other scripts put into pkglibexecdir, but maybe those were path violations too
[17:22] <seb128> mterry, either that or override_dh_auto_configure: dh_auto_configure -- --pkglibexecdir="\$${prefix}/lib"
[17:22] <mterry> tedg, mind throwing your freerdp-session script into /usr/share?
[17:22] <seb128> mterry, it just feels wrong to have a i386 subdir on e.g armel
[17:22] <mterry> seb128, fair enough
[17:23] <seb128> mterry, binary NEWed, it will work, but still weird and worth moving to /usr/share I think
[17:24] <mterry> yeah
[17:24] <mterry> I wasn't thinking of the optics of it for some poor armel user
[17:24] <seb128> ;-)
[17:25] <seb128> mdeslaur, thanks for fixing that xchat-gnome clipboard segfault
[17:25] <mdeslaur> seb128: hopefully that'll work...we'll see
[17:42] <kenvandine> wow... i might actually have time to start working on landing gwibber with UOA today!
[18:58] <dobey> hrmm, is there no #ubuntu-security channel?
[18:58] <mdeslaur> dobey: that is supposed to redirect you to #ubuntu-hardened
[19:00] <dobey> mdeslaur: is that an appropriate place to discuss fixing an issue, or should i /msg someone or go to an internal private channel?
[19:01] <mdeslaur> dobey: if the issue isn't private, send an email to security@ubuntu.com, open a bug and check "security", or /msg me
[19:01] <mdeslaur> sorry
[19:01] <mdeslaur> i meant "isn't public"
[19:18] <desrt> anyone know why gtk2 apps appear unstyled on quantal when using adwaita?
[19:18] <desrt> and by gtk2 apps i actually mean XUL apps
[19:43] <ricotz> desrt, hmm, install gtk2-engines-pixbuf
[19:44] <desrt> perfect
[19:44] <desrt> ricotz: maybe gnome-themes-standard should depend on that?
[19:45] <ricotz> desrt, looks like it, but i guess splitting the package into gtk3 and gtk2 parts might be needed to get the deps separated
[19:45] <desrt> ya
[19:45] <ricotz> but adding this depend would fix it for now
[19:45] <desrt> was thinking about that
[19:45] <desrt> we're getting close to finally losing gtk2 dependencies
[19:46] <desrt> would be a shame to force it back in there so thoroughly
[19:46] <ricotz> right
[19:46] <desrt> although, really...
[19:46] <desrt> gtk2-engines-pixbuf should not have a runtime depend on gtk2
[19:46] <desrt> it's sort of the other way around, in fact
[19:47] <desrt> in any case, thanks... things are looking much nicer now :)
[19:47] <ricotz> i see, maybe you like to suprise seb128 with this in the morning ;)
[19:47] <ricotz> yw
[19:49] <ricotz> maybe you want to avoid the update to network-manager 0.9.6.0-0ubuntu4. it seems to broke my gateway or dns resolving
[19:50] <desrt> network-manager is always broken for me :D
[19:50] <ricotz> desrt, maybe you like to play with gdm 3.5.90
[19:50] <desrt> maybe!
[19:50] <desrt> although i'm really looking forward to not screwing up my machine :)
[19:50] <desrt> last time i installed gdm it didn't go very well
[19:51] <tedg> mterry, Did you want to change the directory of something in the session script?
[19:51] <tedg> mterry, BTW, I lied, I had to add a small C program there.  I thought cat could do sockets.
[19:51] <ricotz> desrt, yeah, maybe you can give it a try, see PM
[19:52] <desrt> will it make the new lockscreen work?
[19:52] <ricotz> yes
[19:52] <desrt> ooo
[19:52] <ricotz> with an updated g-s of course
[19:52] <mterry> tedg, ah, then that's fine.  Put a real binary in there and we can mark the package Architecture: any
[19:52] <desrt> i have the one that's in quantal's proposed right now
[19:53] <desrt> 3.5.4 i guess
[19:53] <ricotz> desrt, same ppa
[19:53] <desrt> apt is having a bad day
[19:53] <ricotz> desrt, gdm needs to be running to have it fully working, so no lightdm
[19:54] <desrt> The following packages have been kept back: gnome-shell gnome-shell-common
[19:54] <ricotz> desrt, you need testing too, and not using mutter-common of ubuntu-repo
[19:55] <desrt> testing is pre-proposed or what?
[19:55] <ricotz> desrt, ppa:ricotz/testing
[19:55] <desrt> heh
[19:55] <desrt> i just know my system is going to end up totally screwed :)
[19:55] <larsu> kenvandine, what's the best way to test telepathy-indicator? (I'm porting it to the new API)
[19:55] <ricotz> heh
[19:56] <jbicha> desrt: it's for a good cause
[19:56] <ricotz> desrt, you are calling for trouble, so maybe
[19:56] <ricotz> exactly
[19:56]  * desrt knocks wood
[19:56] <kenvandine> larsu, just run it and test various types of incoming messages
[19:56] <kenvandine> new chat
[19:57] <larsu> kenvandine, "new chat"
[19:57] <kenvandine> and new message in an existing chat where the window/tab isn't focused
[19:57] <larsu> ?
[19:57] <kenvandine> in empathy that is
[19:57] <ricotz> jbicha, desrt, although the plymouth handoff seems to be a bit broken
[19:57] <kenvandine> larsu, send a message to yourself :)
[19:57] <larsu> kenvandine, I see ...
[19:57] <larsu> thanks!
[19:57] <desrt> if by 'a bit broken' you mean i see flickering, okay
[19:57] <jbicha> ricotz: yeah, rebooting with the new gdm was fun
[19:57] <larsu> oh, lots of deprecated api use in there ...
[19:57] <desrt> if by 'a bit broken' you mean "gdm doesn't run"...
[19:58] <ricotz> desrt, it gets stuck, hit ESC in plymouth
[19:58] <desrt> so i'm about to reboot with the new gdm
[19:58] <desrt> okay :)
[19:58] <desrt> anything else i should know before hitting the switch?
[19:58] <jbicha> desrt: I managed to boot if I left out 'quiet splash'
[19:58] <ricotz> have fun
[19:58] <desrt> ciao
[19:59] <kenvandine> larsu, so a new message in a chat that isn't focused should give highlight the indicator
[19:59] <kenvandine> and activating it in the indicator should raise the chat window and select the tab
[19:59] <kenvandine> that's about the extent of what it can do :)
[19:59] <kenvandine> pretty simple
[19:59] <larsu> well, that's what it's supposed to do, right ;)
[20:00] <desrt> woh.  new application spread
[20:00] <desrt> whacky
[20:00] <kenvandine> :)
[20:00] <desrt> looking nice!
[20:00] <desrt> this is really slick
[20:01] <desrt> btw: i didn't have to hit esc
[20:01] <desrt> it just worked
[20:02] <ricotz> what x driver do you have?
[20:02] <desrt> intel
[20:02] <desrt> hmm
[20:02] <desrt> the new tray animation is pretty jarring
[20:02] <desrt> i don't care for that
[20:02] <desrt> i like the larger size it has in the overview... but i don't like how the entire screen shifts up when i hover it
[20:03] <ricotz> ok, here too, maybe it is a race then
[20:03] <desrt> well
[20:03] <desrt> rather, i don't like how it doesn't go back when i stop the hover
[20:03] <desrt> i have to click
[20:04] <ricotz> yeah. you can complain about that in #g-s ;)
[20:05] <desrt> all in all it's a pretty nice update though
[20:05] <desrt> the lock screen is reallly slick
[20:05] <ricotz> and it is touchscreen usable
[20:06] <ricotz> therefore the bigger messagetray and its modal mode
[20:06] <desrt> it's true!
[20:06] <desrt> ya...
[20:06] <desrt> i totally got the impression that was the case
[20:07] <desrt> i sort of miss the jarring stutter that you used to get when unlocking gnome-screensaver
[20:08] <desrt> the new screensaver just kinda disappears
[20:08] <desrt> it's like it's too fast or something
[20:08] <desrt> could use an animation...
[20:09] <ricotz> i guess there are still some design decisions to make
[20:09] <jbicha> I'm still not happy it hard depends on gdm :(
[20:09] <desrt> someone needs to set aside some time to write a gdm greeter for lightdm
[20:09] <desrt> and then start a flamewar over it
[20:10] <ricotz> maybe it is possible if lightdm provide the dbus org.gnome.DisplayManager
[20:10] <desrt> at that point i'll be happy to jump in
[20:11] <desrt> how does the new lockscreen work anyway?
[20:13]  * desrt got the impression that it was part of gnome-shell and _wasn't_ like the unity/lightdm hand-off approach
[20:13] <ricotz> you want to ask gcampax that
[20:14] <desrt> hmm
[20:18] <desrt> ricotz: 'switch session' is broken btw
[20:18] <desrt> it just locks the screen and doesn't do anything else
[20:19] <ricotz> desrt, ok, feel free to fix it :P
[20:19] <desrt> as if i have time for that :)
[20:19] <ricotz> btw the xsession logs are now at .cache/gdm/session.log
[20:26] <jbicha> desrt: what version of gnome-themes-standard were you using and how is the styling different after installing gtk2-engines-pixbuf?
[20:26] <desrt> jbicha: firefox/thunderbird had grey boxy widgets
[20:27] <desrt> now they have pretty ones
[20:27] <desrt> and i don't know which one i was running -- it was from the official sources, though (with -proposed enabled)
[20:28] <jbicha> 3.5.90 was broken, 3.5.90.1 is better
[20:28] <desrt> lemme check my dpkg log
[20:28] <ricotz> jbicha, they both need the pixbuf engine
[20:29] <ricotz> g-t-s introduced a reworked gtk2 theme to make it look like the gtk3 one
[20:29] <jbicha> oh I see now, not enough curved corners :)
[20:33] <desrt> the new theme changes are actually very nice
[20:33] <desrt> i'm surprised anybody cares enough about gtk2 anymore to continue making these updates, but i'm happy they do :)
[20:40] <larsu> desrt, how does gnome-settings-daemon know which plugins to load?
[20:41] <desrt> gsettings
[20:41] <larsu> apparently the printing plugin is loaded in gnome-fallback
[20:41] <larsu> and also the indicator
[20:41] <desrt> each plugin has an 'active' property
[20:41] <larsu> both do the same thing ....
[20:41] <larsu> ah okay, thanks
[20:41] <desrt> it's always true typically...
[20:42] <desrt> gdm disables some of them in its profile though
[20:44] <larsu> hm, it's enabled in unity too
[20:45]  * larsu wonders
[21:05] <desrt> ricotz: since installing gdm it appears that my login keyring is borked too
[21:05] <desrt> empathy keeps asking my jabber password
[21:08] <ricotz> desrt, your keyring is probably still locked
[21:08] <ricotz> hmm did the account settings locations for empathy changed? :\
[21:08] <desrt> it's possible
[21:08] <desrt> i got a new empathy installed
[21:08] <desrt> ahh
[21:08] <ricotz> looks like they are gone
[21:09] <ricotz> for me
[21:09] <desrt> this may actually be related to the new accountsservice stuff
[21:09] <desrt> it got installed at the same time
[21:09] <ricotz> ahh :\
[21:10] <jbicha> ricotz: did you see the new Online Accounts in System Settings
[21:14] <ricotz> jbicha, yeah just found them
[21:14]  * desrt needs to remember to give seb some shit tomorrow about why we don't have ubuntu-control-center yet
[21:14] <ricotz> jbicha, do they work for you?
[21:14] <larsu> desrt, because nobody did it yet
[21:15] <jbicha> ricotz: I don't really use Empathy & it looks like Empathy is the only thing supported by ubuntu-online-accounts so far, so I didn't bother
[21:15] <larsu> desrt, as in: nobody had time this cycle
[21:15] <ricotz> jbicha, ok
[21:15] <ricotz> desrt, did you upgrade g-s-d and g-c-c too from the ppa?
[21:16] <desrt> ricotz: ya
[21:16] <desrt> all that crappy ubuntu stuff is gone :)
[21:16] <desrt> but seriously... this is the problem :p
[21:16]  * desrt wants to be able to log into unity and have... unity
[21:17] <ricotz> desrt, i forgot to warn you about them ;)
[21:17] <ricotz> but i think unity should work
[21:19] <desrt> it will
[21:20] <desrt> btw: the theme is still changeable in the "appearances" panel
[21:20] <desrt> are these upstream changes or patches that you didn't drop?
[21:20] <ricotz> desrt, Laney ported the g-s-d and g-c-c patches
[21:21] <ricotz> so it is suppose to be fully working
[21:21] <desrt> bah
[21:22] <Laney> no it's not
[21:22] <Laney> that was a first cut that i knew was broken and we decided not to go with
[21:23] <ricotz> Laney, you mean the theme switching?
[21:23] <desrt> ubuntu-online-accounts is really going to ruin our day
[21:23] <jbicha> we can't actually ship gnome-control-center 3.6 in quantal though even if there is a ubuntu-control-center, right?
[21:24] <Laney> ricotz: just in general, with the ported patches it was quite buggy
[21:24] <Laney> i didn't drop anything though iirc
[21:25] <ricotz> Laney, yes, it works here, i didnt look for errors though, and it applied fine to 3.5.6
[21:25] <Laney> well, I noted what broke in the bug
[21:26] <Laney> I remember compose key and there was some dbus warning on login
[21:26] <Laney> maybe you disabled more patches than me in the ppa
[21:26] <ricotz> i am not using unity this might be it
[21:26]  * Laney shrugs
[21:28] <desrt> jbicha: we would have it in the gnome spin...
[21:30] <jbicha> desrt: but we can't split gnome-settings-daemon and Ubuntu doesn't want the new ibus
[21:30] <desrt> ubuntu-settings-daemon!!
[21:30] <jbicha> noooooo!!!
[21:30] <desrt> seriously
[21:30] <jbicha> noooooo!!!
[21:30] <desrt> we're gonna start having trademark issues
[21:31] <desrt> because we're shipping something that's not gnome and we're calling it "gnome"
[21:31] <jbicha> who's we?
[21:31] <desrt> ubuntu
[22:30] <robru> lol @ launchpad. I put some packages in my PPA today, it'll build them in 13 hours.
[22:34] <TheMuso> robru: There has recently been a DC move, so buildds are somewhat behind.
[22:35] <robru> yeah, I'm not in a hurry, just thought it was funny. I've never seen it take more than about 20 minutes before.
[22:35] <jbicha> if you are in a hurry, there are shortcuts
[22:39] <robru> nope, not worried. mterry won't be reviewing/sponsoring them until tomorrow anyway
[22:39] <robru> but thanks, jbicha
[22:42] <jbicha> desrt: https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-desktop/+junk/ubuntu-default-settings
[22:43] <jbicha> I collected the gsettings overrides into one place so it'll be easier for those that don't want them to not have them
[22:52] <jasoncwarner_> morning!
[22:52] <jasoncwarner_> TheMuso robert_ancell RAOF bryceh meeting reminder. If you have agenda items, please put 'em on there. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2012-08-21
[22:56] <TheMuso> Not from me.
[22:57] <desrt> jbicha: nice work
[22:57] <desrt> jbicha: the more i think about it the more i think that using dconf for this is actually a bad idea
[22:58] <desrt> so a package-of-overrides approach is a good starting point
[22:58] <desrt> particularly considering that it is possible to do overrides for packages that are not installed
[22:58] <jbicha> you've talked about some fancier method for a while, but this is the easy way :)
[22:59] <jbicha> yeah I was happy to see it worked even when the packages aren't installed
[22:59] <desrt> it didn't used to
[22:59] <desrt> that feature was added at some point by request of the suse guys, i think
[23:02] <desrt> heading out for the night.  ta.
[23:06]  * bryceh waves
[23:07] <bryceh> jasoncwarner_, no agenda items for this meeting\
[23:22] <rickspencer3_1> hey all
[23:22] <rickspencer3_1> I'm rocking an ARM desktop connected to my tv!
[23:22] <bryceh> nice!
[23:22] <rickspencer3_1> is there a central place to increase all the font sizes?
[23:22] <bryceh> yes there is, via the control center
[23:23] <rickspencer3_1> hmmm, I didn't see it before
[23:23] <ajmitch> under universal access, iirc
[23:23] <rickspencer3_1> nice
[23:24] <rickspencer3_1> thanks ajmitch
[23:24]  * ajmitch got a new monitor recently, had to increase the font size a bit :)
[23:25] <rickspencer3_1> so far this is surprisingly usable as a desktop
[23:25] <ajmitch> I also have an ARM tablet to hook up to my TV once I get around to getting X working
[23:25] <rickspencer3_1> I took infinity and ogra's device and installed to an external USB harddrive
[23:26] <rickspencer3_1> it was a nuisance figuring out how to tell ubiquity what I wanted
[23:27] <ajmitch> ah, my device is a little less supported, I need a custom kernel & debootstrap to set up
[23:28] <rickspencer3_1> ajmitch, yeah
[23:28] <rickspencer3_1> I just used the alpha 3 image that ogra makes :)
[23:29] <ajmitch> though it's the same tablet that a few edubuntu developers have, so there's a chance of us getting better support
[23:29] <rickspencer3_1> it's still using Unity 2d, will be interesting to see how Unity 3d works when the driver is ready
[23:30] <ajmitch> unity 3d works with opengl ES, doesn't it?
[23:30] <rickspencer3_1> ajmitch, yeah, but there are no 3d drivers for the pandaboard on quantal atm
[23:30] <ajmitch> ah right
[23:31] <rickspencer3_1> :(
[23:31] <rickspencer3_1> I hope it runs well enough, because I do prefer Unity 3d
[23:31] <ajmitch> powervr gpu in the SoC?
[23:31] <rickspencer3_1> yeah
[23:32] <rickspencer3_1> ajmitch, what kind of tablets do you have?
[23:32] <ajmitch> zatab, it uses an allwinner A10 SoC
[23:35] <robru> alright, I just installed a bunch of updated that broke everything (unity and gnome-shell are both puking on me pretty bad). who's responsible?! ;-)
[23:36] <rickspencer3_1> robru, please tell me this was quantal and not precise
[23:36] <rickspencer3_1> :)
[23:36] <robru> yeah
[23:36] <rickspencer3_1> phew
[23:36] <rickspencer3_1> :)
[23:36] <rickspencer3_1> robru, I assume you are running binary nvidia drivers?
[23:37] <robru> that would be a funny thing to do with an ATI card installed...
[23:37] <robru> xorg is working fine, it's the shells that are doing goofy things and crashing.
[23:37] <rickspencer3_1> robru, there is your problem
[23:37] <rickspencer3_1> j/k
[23:38] <bryceh> robru, -fglrx or -ati?
[23:40] <robru> driver=radeon apparently
[23:42] <bryceh> robru, ok far as I know that should be working fine.  We did just update the X stack the other day so I'd not rule it out as an X-ish problem.
[23:42] <bryceh> robru, I'd need to see more details -- logs, error messages, etc. -- to be sure.
[23:43] <bryceh> feel free to `ubuntu-bug xorg` and give me a ping to review.  We can always move it to a different project if we can rule out X.
[23:43] <robru> bryceh, yeah, I'd like to resolve this. do you have a minute to help me troubleshoot it?
[23:44] <bryceh> robru, certainly; easiest for me is if you file the bug report from the sick machine using the above command; that collects all the bits and bobs I need
[23:44] <robru> doing that now
[23:47] <robru> bryceh, here's that: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/1039809
[23:47] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 1039809 in xorg "Gnome Shell is using the 2d fallback mode and gnome-panel is crashing a lot." [Undecided,New]