[16:02]  * smb looks expectantly
[16:02] <roaksoax> howdy all
[16:02] <jimbaker> hi everyone
[16:02] <roaksoax> let's get started
[16:02] <smoser> o/
[16:02] <roaksoax> #startmeeting
[16:02] <arosales> hello
[16:02] <meetingology> Meeting started Tue Aug 21 16:02:33 2012 UTC.  The chair is roaksoax. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[16:02] <roaksoax> [TOPIC] Review ACTION points from previous meeting
[16:03] <roaksoax> it seems there were no actions. Unless missing from the wikipage
[16:03] <roaksoax> if there are none, lets move on
[16:03] <roaksoax> [TOPIC] Quantal Development
[16:03] <roaksoax> [LINK] Release Bugs - http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ubuntu-server/release-bugs.html
[16:03] <roaksoax> bug 1028453
[16:04] <roaksoax> is assigned to the whole team, has anyone been able to look at it
[16:04] <roaksoax> ?
[16:04] <arosales> I think Daviey said he had taken a look recently
[16:05] <roaksoax> Daviey: ^^
[16:05] <roaksoax> smoser: ^^
[16:05] <roaksoax> who's taking care of that bug
[16:05] <smoser> well, it wasn't me .
[16:05] <roaksoax> let's move on in the meantime since they seem to be afk
[16:05] <smoser> yeah.
[16:05] <smoser> you can #action me
[16:05] <roaksoax> bug 1028503
[16:06] <smoser> #action smoser follow up on bug 1028453
[16:06] <meetingology> ACTION: smoser follow up on bug 1028453
[16:06] <roaksoax> smoser: thanks smoser
[16:06] <utlemming> roaksoax: in progress and will have an MP on that later today
[16:06] <roaksoax> utlemming: awesome, could you please assign it to you? :)
[16:06] <roaksoax> alright, moving on: bug 1030914
[16:06]  * utlemming begrudgingly assigns to self
[16:07] <roaksoax> zul: ^^?
[16:07] <roaksoax> adam_g: or you?
[16:08] <zul> roaksoax: on it
[16:08] <roaksoax> great thanks!
[16:08] <zul> sorry i just lost track of time on the meeting
[16:08] <roaksoax> bug 1034701
[16:08] <roaksoax> zul: i guess that's yours too? :)
[16:08] <zul> roaksoax: im thinking thats already fixed but ill double check
[16:08] <roaksoax> alright, thank you
[16:09] <roaksoax> bug #1028509
[16:09] <roaksoax> zul is the winner again :)
[16:09] <zul> effing
[16:09] <roaksoax> and bug #995285
[16:09] <roaksoax> zul: sounds like fun times
[16:10] <zul> no...it isnt
[16:10] <roaksoax> hehe
[16:10] <roaksoax> anyways, bug #1014005
[16:10] <roaksoax> anyone would like to take care of it?
[16:10] <hallyn> oh hm.  i guess that will have to be me
[16:11] <roaksoax> thanks hallyn
[16:11] <roaksoax> bug #1024281
[16:11] <zul> dupe
[16:11] <roaksoax> alright,
[16:11] <roaksoax> bug #858867
[16:11] <roaksoax> fix released
[16:11] <roaksoax> bug #1023066
[16:11] <roaksoax> adam_g: updates?
[16:12] <roaksoax> guess he is not around, let's skip.
[16:12] <roaksoax> bug 1025203
[16:12] <roaksoax> zul: any updates?
[16:12] <zul> roaksoax: not yet hopefully will have a fix this week
[16:12] <roaksoax> alright, finally
[16:12] <roaksoax> bug 844995
[16:13] <roaksoax> anyone taking care of it
[16:13] <roaksoax> it doesn't seem to be much to be done
[16:13] <zul> i thought it was done...daviey did an upload
[16:13] <SpamapS> how can any of us do anything?
[16:13] <roaksoax> yeah it seems so
[16:13] <SpamapS> seems like its just an archive admin thing
[16:13] <roaksoax> indeed
[16:14] <roaksoax> alright, let's move on then
[16:14] <adam_g> roaksoax: sorry, the quantum upload are still blocked on MIRs AFAIK
[16:14] <roaksoax> [LINK] Blueprints - http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-quantal/ubuntu-server.html
[16:14] <Daviey> I did the upload required for the other task
[16:14] <Daviey> that is an AA task
[16:14] <roaksoax> Daviey: thanks ;)
[16:14] <arosales> roaksoax: I have a few high /essentials in the red to go over if thats ok.
[16:14] <Daviey> <--- on a call
[16:14] <roaksoax> arosales: please do
[16:15] <arosales> So feature freeze is this Thursday and beta1 is next week. 68% way through the release.
[16:15] <arosales> If we could start evaluating which work items will need to be postponed this will help notify folks at a reasonable time that a feature won't make it instead of surprising them close to time of release.
[16:15] <arosales> zul: are the following openstack BPs progressing ok? Perhaps these are items that land late in the cycle due to the OpenStack release schedule.
[16:16] <arosales> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/servercloud-q-openstack-qa
[16:16] <arosales> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/servercloud-q-openstack-folsom
[16:16] <arosales> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/servercloud-q-openstack-stable
[16:16] <zul> arosales: the openstack-qa and opestack-stable doesnt affect feature freeze and i think we are ok for openstack-folsom
[16:16] <arosales> zul: ok thanks.
[16:16] <arosales> roaksoax: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/servercloud-q-openstack-ha
[16:17] <roaksoax> arosales: 1 thing waiting on AA work
[16:17] <arosales> roaksoax: thanks
[16:17] <roaksoax> the rest waiting on Debian, so I'll catch up today/tomorrow and make necessary uploads
[16:17] <arosales> great, thanks
[16:17] <arosales> bug-triage-review and iso-tests-review I will follow up with jamespage when he returns.
[16:17] <arosales> Spamaps, I think we already hit on  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/servercloud-q-juju-charms-release-policy yesterday
[16:18] <arosales> m_3: jimbaker: is https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/servercloud-q-juju-charm-unit-tests up to date?
[16:18] <SpamapS> we did
[16:18] <SpamapS> email drafting today :)
[16:18] <arosales> SpamapS: thanks
[16:19] <arosales> utlemming: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/servercloud-q-jenkins-cloud-builder
[16:20] <utlemming> arosales: it'll make it
[16:20] <arosales> looking ok for beta1 next week?
[16:20] <arosales> utlemming:  ^
[16:20] <utlemming> arosales: its almost done, I just need to flip the switch, which I think will happen tomorrow
[16:20] <utlemming> arosales: yup
[16:21] <jimbaker> arosales, i'm looking now
[16:21] <utlemming> arosales: I was waiting till 12.04.1 to be safe
[16:21] <arosales> utlemming: makes sense, and the external read-only jenkis and notifications coming post beta1?
[16:21] <jimbaker> arosales, i don't think m_3 has gotten a chance to work on it. i know i haven't :)
[16:22] <utlemming> arosales: no eta on the external jenkins instance, but that is not a blocker. That can be implemented any time with out affecting the build service.
[16:22] <jimbaker> arosales, in terms of the blueprints update
[16:22] <arosales> jimbaker: ok I'll sync up with you and m_3 later today on the pregress -- thanks
[16:22] <arosales> those were the red high/essential BPs
[16:22] <jimbaker> (our BPs are further behind than we are, fortunately)
[16:22] <arosales> just one last suggestion to postpone work items that we know we aren't going to make :-)
[16:23] <arosales> jimbaker: better that way then reverse :-)
[16:23] <arosales> roaksoax: back to you
[16:23] <jimbaker> arosales, for sure ;)
[16:23] <roaksoax> alright
[16:23] <arosales> did anyone else have any BPs to go over?
[16:23] <roaksoax> so if there's no more to bring to the table on quantal development, let's move on, shall we?
[16:24] <roaksoax> [TOPIC] 12.04.1 Development (jamespage & smoser)
[16:24] <roaksoax> smoser:
[16:24] <m_3> arosales: no, that unit test blueprint isn't up to date
[16:24] <smoser> well, we're almost there.
[16:24] <roaksoax> jamespage:
[16:24] <arosales> m_3: roger that
[16:24] <roaksoax> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~jamespage/server-sru/precise-sru.html
[16:24] <smoser> its shipping on thursday.
[16:24] <roaksoax> m_3: sorry about that
[16:25] <roaksoax> smoser:  do you want me to go over the SRU bugs?
[16:25] <SpamapS> seriously impressive amount of bug fixes shipped
[16:25] <smoser> i really dont think there is much to say, as there is not much that can be done at this point.
[16:25] <roaksoax> alright, lets move on then
[16:25] <smoser> if the bug isn't in -proposed, it is -updates, which is fine.
[16:25] <smoser> er... -updates even.
[16:25] <roaksoax> [TOPIC] Ubuntu Server Team Events
[16:25] <roaksoax> any events coming up?
[16:26] <SpamapS> CloudOpen/LinuxCon next week!
[16:26] <SpamapS> adam_g and myself will be speaking about OpenStack and Juju respectively
[16:26] <roaksoax> awesome
[16:26] <SpamapS> I believe Canonical's VP of Cloud will also be keynoting
[16:26] <Daviey> \o/
[16:26] <SpamapS> http://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/cloudopen
[16:27] <roaksoax> alright!
[16:27] <arosales> also jimbaker @ https://sea.ucar.edu/event/service-orchestration-cloud-environments-juju next week giving a Juju preso.
[16:27] <smb> XenSummit and Plumbers too
[16:27] <SpamapS> Linux Plumbers is also co-located
[16:27] <roaksoax> seems like there's good presence
[16:27] <jimbaker> i was just asked to give a guest lecture on juju for the data center computing class at univ of colorado
[16:27] <jimbaker> sometime end of sept
[16:27] <roaksoax> that's nice!
[16:28] <roaksoax> alright then! we hvae a whole bunch of events!
[16:28] <SpamapS> And its in San Diego :)
[16:28] <roaksoax> let's move on
[16:28] <roaksoax> [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh)
[16:28] <roaksoax> hggdh: you are up :)
[16:29] <roaksoax> seems he is not around, let's get back to him later
[16:29] <roaksoax> [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (smb)
[16:29] <roaksoax> smb: howdy!
[16:29] <smb> hi
[16:29] <smb> Spent some time looking at bug 1011792. Only having stack traces
[16:29] <smb> (even more so since those usually are from older kernels) does not
[16:29] <smb> help too much. There are currently a few things which I asked them
[16:29] <smb> to do try. Waiting on those answers (not too actively as I am
[16:29] <smb> prematurely leaving towards San Diego tomorrow to have a few days
[16:29] <smb> off before XenSummit and Plumbers which I am at. And maybe it can
[16:29] <smb> be discussed there for more ideas in some hallway discussion.
[16:29] <smb> utlemming, if lightning strikes and fires start burning during the
[16:29] <smb> rest of this week, apw knows a bit about the topic now.
[16:29] <smb> Apart from this, zul, if you remember that libvirt source package
[16:29] <smb> you wanted to look at one of those days... IIRC you now need to
[16:29] <smb> tweak it because there was yet another upload to Quantal. The
[16:29] <smb> outdated version still is at chinstrap:~smb/4review.
[16:29] <utlemming> smb: I was pinged last night after hours, but I missed it
[16:30] <zul> frig
[16:30] <smb> utlemming, I think there is now enough to let them gather data
[16:31] <smb> At least enough to cover until next week... :-P
[16:31] <smb> ..
[16:32] <roaksoax> Alright, if theres nothing else to discuss with smb, lets move on! [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions regarding Ubuntu ARM Server (rbasak)
[16:32] <roaksoax> err
[16:32] <roaksoax> [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions regarding Ubuntu ARM Server (rbasak)
[16:32] <rbasak> Nothing new to report. Any questions for me?
[16:33] <roaksoax> rbasak: howdy!
[16:33] <roaksoax> anyone questions for rbasak ?
[16:33] <hallyn> rbasak: woudl you mind running the lxc-testsuite against arm if you get a chance?
[16:33] <hallyn> i *think* a team is doing that regularly, but i like to make sure
[16:34] <rbasak> hallyn: we were just discussing this today. I believe we already are, but perhaps an old version
[16:34] <hallyn> ok, if it's being discussed, i'm happy :)  thanks
[16:34] <rbasak> it's on mreed's todo (I don't think he's here or in #ubuntu-server but he's working on it)
[16:34] <hallyn> (that reminds me i have a fix i need to push to bzr in the tests)
[16:34] <hallyn> great, thanks
[16:35] <roaksoax> alright, if there's nothing else to discuss here
[16:35] <roaksoax> lets move on
[16:35] <roaksoax> [TOPIC] Open Discussion
[16:35] <roaksoax> anyone has anything to discuss?
[16:35] <SpamapS> meetings are too short
[16:35] <SpamapS> lets make them longer
[16:35] <SpamapS> and have more people talk at once
[16:36] <SpamapS> maybe lots of ascii art diagrams?
[16:36] <zul> i think its the right length
[16:36] <zul> but then again whats the sound of one hand clapping
[16:36] <roaksoax> \o/
[16:37] <SpamapS> roaksoax: thanks for chairing
[16:37] <roaksoax> glad to help :)
[16:37] <roaksoax> alright, so
[16:37] <arosales> roaksoax: thanks
[16:37] <roaksoax> [TOPIC] Announce next meeting date and time
[16:37] <roaksoax> same time/place, see you all next week
[16:37] <roaksoax> #endmeeting
[16:37] <jimbaker> awesome, later
[16:37] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Aug 21 16:37:46 2012 UTC.
[16:37] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-08-21-16.02.moin.txt
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[17:01] <jsalisbury> #startmeeting
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[17:01] <jsalisbury> ##
[17:01] <jsalisbury> ## This is the Ubuntu Kernel Team weekly status meeting.
[17:01] <jsalisbury> ##
[17:01] <jsalisbury> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Meeting
[17:01] <jsalisbury> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Quantal
[17:01] <jsalisbury> # Meeting Etiquette
[17:01] <jsalisbury> #
[17:01] <jsalisbury> # NOTE: '..' indicates that you are finished with your input.
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[17:01] <jsalisbury> Roll Call for Ubuntu Kernel Weekly Status Meeting
[17:01] <ppisati> o/
[17:01] <cking> o/
[17:01] <sforshee> o/
[17:01] <herton> o/
[17:01] <henrix> o/
[17:02] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] ARM Status (ppisati)
[17:02] <ppisati> Q/omap4: a new Q/omap4 3.5 kernel was uploaded yesterday (3.5.0-208.14) and a                                                                                                        new one that includes all the patches that went into tilt-3.4[1] after i
[17:02] <ppisati> started my porting is being worked on.
[17:02] <ppisati> Hopefully this new one (3.5.0-209.15 [2]) will be the last one before beta1,
[17:02] <ppisati> and it should fix the hangs rsalveti experiences with pvr-omap4.
[17:02] <ppisati> Source code is available here:
[17:02] <ppisati> http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=ppisati/ubuntu-quantal.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/ti-omap4
[17:02] <ppisati> [1]: http://git.linaro.org/gitweb?p=people/andygreen/kernel-tilt.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/tilt-3.4, linux-release-2012-07..HEAD
[17:02] <ppisati> [2]: http://people.canonical.com/~ppisati/linux-image-3.5.0-209-omap4_3.5.0-209.15_armhf.deb
[17:02] <ppisati> ..
[17:02] <ppisati> rsalveti: ^
[17:03]  * rsalveti still stressing the system to see if the hang is gone
[17:03] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Release Metrics and Incoming Bugs (jsalisbury)
[17:03] <jsalisbury> Release metrics and incoming bug data can be reviewed at the following link:
[17:03] <jsalisbury> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/reports/kt-meeting.txt
[17:03] <jsalisbury> ..
[17:03] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Milestone Targeted Work Items (ogasawara)
[17:03] <ogasawara> [LINK] http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-quantal/canonical-kernel-distro-team-ubuntu-12.10-beta-1.html
[17:03] <ogasawara> || apw         || hardware-q-kernel-config-review || 3 work item  ||
[17:03] <ogasawara> ||             || hardware-q-kernel-delta-review  || 4 work items ||
[17:03] <ogasawara> ||             || hardware-q-kernel-misc          || 1 work item  ||
[17:03] <ogasawara> ||             || desktop-q-clean-old-kernels     || 1 work item ||
[17:03] <ogasawara> || cking       || hardware-q-kernel-misc          || 1 work item  ||
[17:03] <ogasawara> || ogasawara   || hardware-q-kernel-misc          || 4 work items ||
[17:03] <ogasawara> || tgardner    || hardware-q-kernel-misc          || 1 work item  ||
[17:03] <ogasawara> If your name is in the above table, please review your Beta-1 work items.
[17:03] <ogasawara> ..
[17:04] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Status: Quantal Development Kernel (ogasawara)
[17:04] <ogasawara> We've recently uploaded the 3.5.0-11.11 Quantal kernel to the release
[17:04] <ogasawara> pocket.  This upload most notably provides a rebase to the v3.5.2
[17:04] <ogasawara> upstream stable release.  This was also uploaded to the q-lts-backport
[17:04] <ogasawara> [1] PPA to help facilitate testing of the 12.10 kernel in 12.04.  We
[17:04] <ogasawara> welcome anyone to please install, test, and let us know your feedback.
[17:04] <ogasawara> [1] https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-x-swat/+archive/q-lts-backport
[17:04] <ogasawara> Note that we are ~1 week away from Beta 1 Freeze.  I intend to upload or
[17:04] <ogasawara> Beta-1 kernel no later than next Tues, Aug 28.  If there are any patches
[17:04] <ogasawara> which need to land, send them to the Ubuntu kernel team mailing list
[17:04] <ogasawara> asap.
[17:04] <ogasawara> Important upcoming dates:
[17:04] <ogasawara>  * Thurs Aug 30 - Beta 1 Freeze (~1 week)
[17:04] <ogasawara>  * Thurs Sept 6 - Beta 1 (~2 weeks)
[17:04] <ogasawara> ..
[17:04] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Status: CVE's (bjf)
[17:04] <bjf> == 2012-08-21 (weekly) ==
[17:04] <bjf> Currently we have 96 CVEs on our radar, with 2 CVE retired this week.
[17:04] <bjf> See the CVE matrix for the current list:
[17:05] <bjf> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/cve/pkg/ALL-linux.html
[17:05] <bjf> Overall the backlog has decreased slightly this week:
[17:05] <bjf> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/status/cve-metrics.txt
[17:05] <bjf> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/cve/pkg/CVE-linux.txt
[17:05] <bjf> ..
[17:05] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Status: Stable, Security, and Bugfix Kernel Updates - Precise/Oneiric/Natty/Lucid/Hardy (bjf/herton/henrix)
[17:05] <henrix> Here is the status for the main kernels, until today (August 21):
[17:05] <henrix>  * Hardy - Nothing in this cycle
[17:05] <henrix>  * Lucid - In Testing; 3 CVEs; (6 commits)
[17:05] <henrix>  * Natty - In Testing; 1 CVEs; (4 commits)
[17:05] <henrix>  * Oneiric - In Verification; 1 CVEs; 2 upstream stable release(s); (98 commits)
[17:05] <henrix>  * Precise - In Verification; 0 CVEs; 3 upstream stable release(s); (166 commits)
[17:05] <henrix>  
[17:05] <henrix> Current opened tracking bugs details:
[17:05] <henrix>  * http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/reports/kernel-sru-workflow.html
[17:05] <henrix>  
[17:05] <henrix> For SRUs, SRU report is a good source of information:
[17:05] <henrix>  * http://people.canonical.com/~kernel/reports/sru-report.html
[17:05] <henrix>  
[17:05] <henrix> Future stable cadence cycles:
[17:05] <henrix>  * https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/ReleaseInterlock
[17:05] <henrix>  
[17:05] <henrix> The week of Sept. 6 is the week the last Natty kernel will be built.
[17:05] <henrix> ..
[17:06] <jsalisbury> [TOPIC] Open Discussion or Questions? Raise your hand to be recognized (o/)
[17:06] <jsalisbury> Thanks everyone
[17:06] <jsalisbury> #endmeeting
[17:06] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Aug 21 17:06:33 2012 UTC.
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[17:07] <cking> thanks jsalisbury
[20:00]  * greg-g waves
[20:00] <Cracknel> Hi Greg
[20:00] <czajkowski> aloha
[20:00] <itnet7> Hey there everyone!
[20:00] <xdatap1> hi everybody
[20:01] <huats> hey
[20:01] <SergioMeneses> hello!!!
[20:01] <maletaski> hi
[20:02] <Rainmaker__> hi
[20:02] <SergioMeneses> #startmeeting
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[20:02] <czajkowski> aloha
[20:02] <SergioMeneses> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/Agenda
[20:03] <czajkowski> Cracknel: ping
[20:04] <Cracknel> hi Laura
[20:04] <SergioMeneses> #topic Romania Reapproval
[20:04] <czajkowski> welcome thanks for coming
[20:04] <SergioMeneses> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RomanianTeam/ReApprovalApplication2012
[20:04] <czajkowski> nice wiki page folks!
[20:04] <SergioMeneses> hello Cracknel
[20:05] <Cracknel> sorry for not attending the meeting last month, I've forgot to add it to the calendar
[20:05] <SergioMeneses> Cracknel, dont worry!
[20:05] <czajkowski> that's fine Cracknel these things happen :)
[20:06] <czajkowski> Cracknel: so how do things get done in your team ?
[20:06] <czajkowski> organisation?
[20:07] <Cracknel> usually we use the forums for most of the work
[20:07] <Cracknel> but there is a trend to use social networking websites like Google+
[20:07] <czajkowski> nods
[20:08] <czajkowski> does everyone help out?
[20:08] <Cracknel> well, people interested in working on something usually get into the conversation
[20:08] <Cracknel> as everything is public, this is not a problem
[20:08] <greg-g> Cracknel: do you see any issues coming up for the Romania LoCo in the future?
[20:09] <czajkowski> thats good open discussion
[20:09] <IngForigua> gmorning
[20:09] <Cracknel> I don't think there will be a problem in the future
[20:09] <SergioMeneses> Cracknel, I have a recommendation, you have to use the loco portal http://loco.ubuntu.com/
[20:10] <huats> How is defined the structure of the LoCo ?
[20:10] <Cracknel> SergioMeneses: we've tried for the recent events
[20:11] <Cracknel> huats: there is a core, based on older members
[20:11] <hollman> :D
[20:11] <Cracknel> and every one else that wants to join is welcome
[20:11] <itnet7> Cracknel: I really like the outreach programs the team has held, very nice!
[20:11] <SergioMeneses> Cracknel, great... keep it in mind!
[20:11] <czajkowski> Cracknel: http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-ro/events/history
[20:12] <czajkowski> nice work I'd encourage you to add your events here as it's easy to keep track of for your team
[20:13] <Cracknel> czajkowski: some might not come to knowledge of the core members of the team (the launchpad team)
[20:13] <Cracknel> so they do not appear in the loco team portal
[20:13] <czajkowski> Cracknel: yu mean people are not on Launchpad?
[20:14] <Cracknel> are not on the ubuntu-ro team on Launchpad
[20:14] <Cracknel> but they do use Launchpad for translations, bug reporting...
[20:15] <czajkowski> ah ok
[20:15] <czajkowski> maybe encourage them to join the team perahaps
[20:15] <SergioMeneses> +1
[20:15] <SergioMeneses> totally agree
[20:15] <Cracknel> we have some plans for this and will probably be discussed on the next IRC meeting
[20:16] <SergioMeneses> ok.. we are ready to vote
[20:16] <SergioMeneses> #vote please vote on the re approval of the Romania loco
[20:16] <meetingology> Please vote on: please vote on the re approval of the Romania loco
[20:16] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[20:16] <huats> +1
[20:16] <meetingology> +1 received from huats
[20:16] <czajkowski> +1
[20:16] <meetingology> +1 received from czajkowski
[20:16] <greg-g> +1 # great work, great re approval application, keep of the great work!
[20:16] <meetingology> +1 # great work, great re approval application, keep of the great work! received from greg-g
[20:16] <itnet7> +1
[20:16] <xdatap1> +1
[20:16] <meetingology> +1 received from itnet7
[20:16] <meetingology> +1 received from xdatap1
[20:16] <SergioMeneses> +1
[20:16] <meetingology> +1 received from SergioMeneses
[20:17] <SergioMeneses> #endvote
[20:17] <meetingology> Voting ended on: please vote on the re approval of the Romania loco
[20:17] <meetingology> Votes for:6 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[20:17] <meetingology> Motion carried
[20:17] <Cracknel> Thanks :)
[20:17] <huats> great !
[20:17] <huats> great work, continue like that !
[20:17] <SergioMeneses> congratulations Cracknel
[20:17] <itnet7> Good job Cracknel and Ubuntu-ro!!
[20:17] <greg-g> congrats and continue to be great!
[20:18] <IngForigua> felicitaciones
[20:18] <andresmujica> congrats Cracknel  and ubuntu-ro !
[20:18] <greg-g> next!
[20:18] <SergioMeneses> #topic Colombian Reapproval
[20:19] <SergioMeneses> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ColombianTeam/ReApprovalApplication2012
[20:19] <SergioMeneses> hello andresmujica
[20:19] <andresmujica> hi SergioMeneses  !
[20:19] <andresmujica> hello czajkowski greg-g itnet7  huats !
[20:19] <andresmujica> hello everyone
[20:19] <itnet7> Hey there andresmujica !
[20:19]  * greg-g waves
[20:20] <huats> hello andresmujica
[20:20] <SergioMeneses> andresmujica, you have a great application
[20:20] <czajkowski> andresmujica: hey there
[20:21] <czajkowski> lovely artwork
[20:21] <SergioMeneses> andresmujica, can you tell us something about the mesh project?
[20:21] <andresmujica> I'm here on behalf of Ubuntu Colombia Team , so we're ready for the reapproval process :)
[20:21] <czajkowski> andresmujica: so tell us about your team
[20:21] <andresmujica> thanks czajkowski thanks SergioMeneses
[20:21] <andresmujica> sure
[20:22] <andresmujica> Ubuntu Colombia is a team that is constantly evolving
[20:22] <andresmujica> it has been the start point for several others projects all over our country
[20:22] <andresmujica> one of those is the mesh project that SergioMeneses  is asking about.
[20:23] <itnet7> andresmujica: /win 4
[20:23] <itnet7> lol
[20:23] <andresmujica> that's an amazing project
[20:23] <itnet7> sry
[20:23] <SergioMeneses> itnet7, je
[20:23] <andresmujica> that has grown on the root s of several members from ubuntu colombia
[20:24] <andresmujica> hollman, and IngForigua  whom are present here.
[20:24] <itnet7> the Mesh project seems very cool indeed!
[20:24] <andresmujica> anyway
[20:24] <andresmujica> Ubuntu Colombia has grown by itself
[20:24] <andresmujica> we're currently about 3000 members
[20:24] <IngForigua> Hello :)
[20:24] <andresmujica> counting all of our followers on social networks
[20:24] <andresmujica> mailing lists
[20:24]  * itnet7 waves to IngForigua 
[20:24] <andresmujica> and non internet connected members
[20:24] <itnet7> Nice andresmujica !
[20:25] <huats> I really like your application
[20:25] <SergioMeneses> huats, +1
[20:25] <huats> and the growing number of Ubuntu member is just awesome
[20:25] <czajkowski> andresmujica: so do you see any issues for your loco coming up?
[20:25] <andresmujica> +1 huats
[20:25] <SergioMeneses> and they have a lot of events http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-co/events/history
[20:26] <andresmujica> czajkowski, well in fact i do see some issues.  Probably the biggest one right know is that we've got a local council in charge of helping the team to flow
[20:26] <andresmujica> and sometimes is hard for a newcomer to the Ubuntu Colombia team to understand the proper role of our council
[20:27] <andresmujica> usually the people are expecting that someone else do stuff and activities and things like that
[20:27] <czajkowski> andresmujica: yes can you tell us more about this
[20:27] <andresmujica> and it's hard to empower them so they can organize by themselves those activities.
[20:27] <itnet7> andresmujica: that's always difficult when new people come on board and are learning the ropes about the team
[20:27]  * IngForigua Ubuntu-co rocks :P
[20:27] <SergioMeneses> #voters greg-g czajkowski SergioMeneses itnet7 huats xdatap1
[20:27] <meetingology> Current voters: SergioMeneses czajkowski greg-g huats itnet7 xdatap1
[20:27] <andresmujica> however the model is working
[20:27] <andresmujica> just fine
[20:27] <andresmujica> with improvements coming
[20:28] <czajkowski> andresmujica: nods do you think the team needs a council and what extra powers does it bring to your team?
[20:28] <huats> +1
[20:28] <xdatap1> +1
[20:28] <andresmujica> czajkowski, i do believe that the team needs to be self sufficient and that means that it should not be dependeant on only one person, it should be dependant on several.. the more the merrier :)
[20:28] <SergioMeneses> andresmujica, great work! we are ready to vote
[20:29] <itnet7> good point andresmujica !
[20:29] <czajkowski> ok
[20:29] <SergioMeneses> #vote please vote on the re approval of the Colombian LoCo
[20:29] <meetingology> Please vote on: please vote on the re approval of the Colombian LoCo
[20:29] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[20:29] <czajkowski> +1
[20:29] <meetingology> +1 received from czajkowski
[20:29] <greg-g> +1 :)
[20:29] <meetingology> +1 :) received from greg-g
[20:29] <itnet7> +1
[20:29] <xdatap1> +1
[20:29] <meetingology> +1 received from itnet7
[20:29] <meetingology> +1 received from xdatap1
[20:29] <SergioMeneses> +0
[20:29] <meetingology> +0 received from SergioMeneses
[20:29] <hollman> :D iujuu
[20:30] <andresmujica> :D  yuupppiiii  :)
[20:30] <huats> congrats to your team !
[20:30] <hollman> good work my team u-co
[20:30] <Costeelation> :')
[20:30] <hollman> **our
[20:30] <SergioMeneses> #endvote
[20:30] <meetingology> Voting ended on: please vote on the re approval of the Colombian LoCo
[20:30] <meetingology> Votes for:4 Votes against:0 Abstentions:1
[20:30] <meetingology> Motion carried
[20:30] <andresmujica> thank you czajkowski greg-g xdatap1 itnet7 huats SergioMeneses :)
[20:30] <SergioMeneses> andresmujica, excellent work!
[20:30] <huats> Thanks to you !
[20:30] <SergioMeneses> congratulations
[20:30] <hollman> thanks all
[20:30] <itnet7> great work, keeop it up Ubuntu-CO!!!
[20:31] <huats> for your great job
[20:31] <SergioMeneses> hollman, IngForigua \o
[20:31] <Costeelation> congratulations guys
[20:31] <IngForigua> nice
[20:31] <IngForigua> felicitaciones
[20:31] <IngForigua> jojojo
[20:31] <andresmujica> thank you SergioMeneses you've done a great work too!
[20:31] <SergioMeneses> #topic Serbian Reapproval
[20:31] <uros1> Hello from Belgrade, speaking in name of Serbian Ubuntu LoCo team, members present are bojce coordinator, olujicz, Beretta021, promis, maletaski, Rainmaker and me.
[20:31] <SergioMeneses> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SerbianTeam/ReApprovalApplication2012
[20:32] <itnet7> Welcome uros1 and the Serbian Team!!
[20:32] <uros1> serb pepople ssay hi
[20:32] <bojce> Hello everyone
[20:32] <SergioMeneses> bojce, uros1 hello
[20:32] <czajkowski> oh more lovely artwork!
[20:32] <czajkowski> yay
[20:32] <maletaski> hello
[20:32] <czajkowski> :)
[20:33] <czajkowski> http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-rs/events/history  nice to see
[20:33] <czajkowski> uros1: how is your team doing ?
[20:34] <uros1> tnx we have god two years
[20:34] <czajkowski> Can we help ?
[20:34] <itnet7> beautiful job on the re-approval page!
[20:34] <SergioMeneses> great
[20:34] <uros1> In the last two years,  the main problem was material delivery – CD's, due to strict customs regulations in Serbia.   The team hasn't found adequate solution for this problem, and we  appreciate your understanding of this
[20:34] <uros1> Dialogue with state institutions regarding Ubuntu and FLOSS adoption within the government system remains strategic goal of the team; the results accomplished by now raise hopes, and we believe that Council's support in the process could be stronger and more intensive.
[20:35] <uros1> On demand from Ministry of communications (Department of Digital society) Team is currently  in process of making tutorials for general audience, on topic how to adopt Ubuntu and how to adopt FLOSS applications in business environment
[20:35] <uros1> This is major step forward in dialogue between Team and state administration
[20:35] <czajkowski> uros1: so have you beenable to receive the cds from shipit ?
[20:35] <uros1> only for 11.04
[20:36] <uros1> looking for solution, trust me
[20:36] <czajkowski> what is the issue what happpens?
[20:36] <uros1> custom problem
[20:36] <SergioMeneses> taxes?
[20:36] <czajkowski> uros1: and have you contacted shippit to see if they will help
[20:36] <uros1> Serbia was part of ex Yugoslavia
[20:36] <czajkowski> they do help where they can
[20:37] <uros1> so still big problem with custom, CD`s are subject of import
[20:37] <uros1> yes I know
[20:38] <huats> uros1: is it for CD received from anywhere ?
[20:38] <uros1> so i say again, looking for proper solutin
[20:38] <uros1> One time Montenegro Loco split 11.04 cd`s with us
[20:39] <huats> uros1: that was my idea
[20:39] <huats> would it be possible to send 2 pack to montenegro by instance and that you split ?
[20:39] <huats> not a perfect solution ...
[20:39] <uros1> yes, that is god solution!
[20:39] <itnet7> +1 huats !
[20:39] <uros1> very god solution if it`s possible
[20:40] <SergioMeneses> huats, maybe
[20:40] <huats> uros1: czajkowski may contradict me but you can ask that your Cd to be shipepd somewhere else
[20:41] <czajkowski> hmmm
[20:41] <SergioMeneses> but we have to speak with montenegro about this
[20:41] <czajkowski> not sure about that
[20:41] <czajkowski> I know somtimes canonical have kindly also helped pay for the vat on customs
[20:41] <huats> czajkowski: but that might worth doing a kind of exception
[20:42] <huats> (well at least to ask :)
[20:42] <uros1> czajkowski: can we be in contact about this in future?
[20:42] <itnet7> Well, now that we are aware of the issue, we can at least ask offline and see if it's possible
[20:42] <czajkowski> uros1: of course
[20:42] <uros1> cool
[20:43] <uros1> so  on the other hand, good old customers support, answering their demands on daily basis has been improved almost to perfection, and unsolved problems are almost non-existant.
[20:43] <uros1> in forum
[20:43] <huats> great to hear
[20:44] <uros1> old-fashioned everyday work :)
[20:44] <SergioMeneses> uros1, great work! we are ready to vote
[20:44] <SergioMeneses> #vote
[20:44] <meetingology> Please vote on:
[20:44] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[20:44] <huats> +1 !
[20:44] <huats> +1
[20:44] <czajkowski> +1
[20:44] <SergioMeneses> +1
[20:44] <itnet7> +1
[20:45] <xdatap1> +1
[20:45] <SergioMeneses> #endvote
[20:45] <meetingology> No vote in progress
[20:46] <czajkowski> well it's passed :)
[20:46] <czajkowski> so well done
[20:46] <SergioMeneses> sure
[20:46] <xdatap1> congratulations
[20:46] <itnet7> Sure, Congratulations!!!
[20:46] <bojce> thanks all
[20:46] <huats> congrats !
[20:46] <SergioMeneses> congratulations Serbian team
[20:46] <Rainmaker_> thanks
[20:46] <maletaski> thanms
[20:46] <uros1> tnx Councill!!
[20:46] <itnet7> Great work uros1 and Team!!!
[20:47] <czajkowski> SergioMeneses: thank you for chairing!
[20:47] <SergioMeneses> czajkowski, dont worry
[20:47] <SergioMeneses> #action SergioMeneses update LP approved locos
[20:47] <meetingology> ACTION: SergioMeneses update LP approved locos
[20:48] <itnet7> Thanks for chairing SergioMeneses !
[20:48] <huats> thanks for sharing SergioMeneses
[20:49] <SergioMeneses> #action itnet7  to update the wiki and team report with meeting
[20:49] <meetingology> ACTION: itnet7  to update the wiki and team report with meeting
[20:49] <SergioMeneses> #endmeeting
[20:49] <meetingology> Meeting ended Tue Aug 21 20:49:15 2012 UTC.
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