| TheLordOfTime | Precise is still frozen, right? | 02:27 |
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| RAOF | Precise is frozen forevermore. | 02:28 |
| TheLordOfTime | i meant for updates. | 02:28 |
| TheLordOfTime | then i realized... | 02:28 |
| TheLordOfTime | wrong channel. | 02:28 |
| TheLordOfTime | :P | 02:28 |
| * TheLordOfTime has too many damned channels | 02:28 | |
| TheLordOfTime | (and the ZNC is slow to join them all) | 02:28 |
| infinity | TheLordOfTime: Nothing is being accepted into -updates at this point, so image building is stabilised until 12.04.1's release, but -proposed is vaguely open again. | 02:30 |
| TheLordOfTime | right, but nothing will go from -proposed -> -updates until post-12.04.1 release? | 02:30 |
| * TheLordOfTime is checking so he can correctly respond to a bug he was subscribed to | 02:30 | |
| TheLordOfTime | (regarding a program update to Precise) | 02:31 |
| infinity | TheLordOfTime: Right, nothing will migrate (unless we find something we critically MUST fix for .1) until after .1 ships. | 02:31 |
| TheLordOfTime | that's what i thought | 02:33 |
| TheLordOfTime | just wanted to confirm that freeze on -updates was still in place :) | 02:33 |
| * TheLordOfTime thought that was still the case, but wanted to confirm :) | 02:33 | |
| TheLordOfTime | *yawn* this is why i sometimes hate being subscribed to a package's bugs... you get pinged on ***EVERYTHING*** and everyone sometimes expects you to know the answers :/ | 02:34 |
| TheLordOfTime | (case in point why i poked around about this) | 02:34 |
| TheLordOfTime | anyways, back to bug triaging, thanks infinity for confirming what I suspected, that -updates is still frozen :) | 02:35 |
| TheLordOfTime | out of pure curiosity, is there a site or something that would state whether $given_repo is frozen or not? | 02:36 |
| TheLordOfTime | so i don't have to poke around to the various teams (Release, Security, MOTU, etc.) about whether its frozen :P | 02:37 |
| infinity | Not so much, no, you just need to be on top of the release process. Or not care. ;) | 02:37 |
| infinity | I recommend the latter option to most people. | 02:37 |
| TheLordOfTime | :P | 02:37 |
| infinity | Upload as if there's no freeze, let us deal with it when we thaw the world. | 02:37 |
| TheLordOfTime | well, when you're triaging bugs, and there's questions about whether something can be moved from -proposed to -updates, well.... | 02:38 |
| TheLordOfTime | you kinda need to know whether there's a freeze :P | 02:38 |
| infinity | Well, it's not up to bug submitters/commentors whether things move anyway, even when not in a freeze. :P | 02:38 |
| TheLordOfTime | (namely, the people who actually are incessantly annoying and naggy will say "Why isnt this fixed in Precise yet?" "Why isnt it fixed?" | 02:38 |
| infinity | It's up to the SRU team. And we have a handle on what we're moving and why. | 02:38 |
| TheLordOfTime | indeed, however to get the person to stop posting "Why"... :P | 02:38 |
| infinity | (Or what we're not moving, right now) | 02:38 |
| * TheLordOfTime is one of the contacts for that given package, so... | 02:39 | |
| TheLordOfTime | anyways, thanks again. :) | 02:39 |
| TheLordOfTime | actually, for a different reason, i wanted to know whether the freeze existed, there was a... "regression" we'll call it... between oneiric and precise's version of php5, and there's a ton of people (including myself) that wanted that fix pushed into precise pre-freeze, but it never happened. Thank god for my SRU testing PPAs :P | 02:40 |
| TheLordOfTime | anyways, i'll leave you all be. | 02:41 |
| astraljava | skaet: stgraber: I don't feel there's a need for respins of neither Studio nor Xubuntu, either. Unless I missed any conversations about this, I concur with knome and scott-work. | 03:20 |
| njin | hallo mismatch kernel in ubuntu server amd64 | 09:30 |
| xnox | njin: ogra_ is on it ;-) | 09:53 |
| ogra_ | well, as much as clicking a retry button on LP means "on it" :) | 09:54 |
| njin | xnox, ogra_ thanks | 09:57 |
| xnox | ogra_: well, I have no such button, so you win! | 09:58 |
| skaet | astraljava, ok. | 13:47 |
| skaet | seb128, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution/+bug/1038573 - who's looking at it? | 13:57 |
| ubot2` | Ubuntu bug 1038573 in evolution "Unreadable messages displayed during Lucid -> Precise upgrade" [High,Triaged] | 13:57 |
| astraljava | skaet: The only thing that might require a respin for Studio is the possible refresh of -lowlatency, but I haven't heard of this thus far. And yes, I have noted the nearing testing deadline. :) | 14:01 |
| skaet | astraljava, ack. :) | 14:01 |
| seb128 | skaet, nobody, shouldn't those bugs be tagged or assigned to our team so we notice them coming? | 14:03 |
| seb128 | skaet, I will ask cyphermox to have a look since he fixed the similar looking issue the bug is pointing at, maybe his fix needs some tweaking | 14:04 |
| skaet | seb128, depends on who's opening them how well the process is followed. Thanks for asking cyphermox | 14:05 |
| seb128 | skaet, thanks for pointing it | 14:06 |
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| xnox | infinity: https://launchpad.net/builders/ross is calling out for you =) | 14:21 |
| xnox | Non-virtual builder in ABORTED state, requires admin to restart | 14:21 |
| Laney | xnox: care to ask someone in launchad-ops internal? | 14:28 |
| xnox | Laney: ok. | 14:28 |
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| skaet | stgraber, slangasek - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1039405 - is there a recommended minimum configuration we should update the release notes to? | 14:31 |
| ubot2` | Ubuntu bug 1039405 in ubiquity "Lockups when running vm's with 768MB of memory" [Undecided,New] | 14:31 |
| xnox | skaet: I think that when people do "Try Ubuntu -> install" instead of just "Install now" | 14:32 |
| xnox | it eats more memory. | 14:32 |
| cjwatson | Yes | 14:32 |
| xnox | so "Install now" can/should have lower memory footprint. | 14:33 |
| xnox | needs testing to determine the limit for both ways of running it. | 14:33 |
| skaet | thanks xnox, cjwatson. | 14:35 |
| njin | xnox, are you working ov bug 1037515 ? | 14:36 |
| ubot2` | Launchpad bug 1037515 in ubiquity "ubiquity-dm crashed with MissingProgramError in run(): No window manager found (tried metacity, xfwm4, matchbox-window-manager, openbox-lubuntu, openbox)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1037515 | 14:36 |
| xnox | njin: no, I am currently looking into LVM2 | 14:37 |
| njin | ok, I require in bugsquad then, thanks | 14:38 |
| slangasek | cjwatson: do you think there's any action we should take on bug #1039405? The submitter suggests that ubiquity should fail to start with a warning when it knows it has too little memory | 15:10 |
| ubot2` | Launchpad bug 1039405 in ubiquity "Lockups when running vm's with 768MB of memory" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1039405 | 15:10 |
| cjwatson | That's kind of problematic since ubiquity doesn't necessarily know for sure | 15:11 |
| cjwatson | 768MB is what I use for my test VMs | 15:11 |
| slangasek | ok | 15:11 |
| cjwatson | So I don't actually buy that this is a low-RAM case | 15:12 |
| skaet | slangasek, cjwatson, cross checked earlier with QA and a 1G system does work with "Try Ubuntu" | 15:12 |
| slangasek | cjwatson: using "Try Ubuntu"? | 15:12 |
| cjwatson | Yes | 15:12 |
| Daviey | skaet / stgraber: i don't think we need to respin for bug 1032456 | 15:12 |
| ubot2` | Launchpad bug 1032456 in cups "Canon inkjets (and some other printers) print only half of the last page after 20120801 upgrade to v1.5.3-0ubuntu2" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1032456 | 15:12 |
| slangasek | alright | 15:12 |
| cjwatson | I used to use 512MB not that long ago | 15:12 |
| cjwatson | If 768MB were now too small, that would be a pretty serious ballooning in not very much time | 15:12 |
| skaet | Daviey, its down as an opportunity target. Some flavors are picking it up, others are not. | 15:12 |
| skaet | Daviey, if we respin Ubuntu for other reason's we'll pick it up, otherwise release note time. | 15:13 |
| Daviey | yep, that sounds fine. | 15:13 |
| cjwatson | I'm suspicious that all the memory allocation failures there are in fork() | 15:20 |
| jibel | skaet, hm ok, I can reproduce 1039405 with 768MB and 12.04.1 amd64 by booting to a live session, and running ubiquity with all the defaults values | 15:24 |
| cjwatson | amd64 might have a different limit I guess; I usually use i386 | 15:25 |
| skaet | thanks jibel. | 15:25 |
| cjwatson | amd64 limits aren't a major concern in reality since who has an amd64 box with <1G | 15:26 |
| Daviey | cjwatson: erm, does this impact virtual machines? | 15:27 |
| Daviey | oh, desktop only.. don't care :) | 15:27 |
| ogra_ | youre so evil ! | 15:27 |
| Daviey | well, i do care.. really.. and it is certainly less than ideal. | 15:28 |
| smartboyhw | Well, I think that setting a limit for amd64 is better, don't set a limit on i386 I think | 15:28 |
| ogra_ | :) | 15:28 |
| smartboyhw | Hi ogra_ | 15:28 |
| * xnox typically gives a VM 2 cpu cores and 2 GB or ram and directio to external drive..... | 15:39 | |
| * tumbleweed typically uses 1GB for my VMs. But at some point, I'll have to bump that... | 15:41 | |
| jibel | on i386 with 512MB I get page allocation failures from the kernel when it mounts the target FS. | 15:45 |
| xnox | jibel: this is with "try ubuntu" right? | 15:46 |
| jibel | xnox, right | 15:46 |
| cjwatson | Some of this might be better in quantal due to the rewritten console page | 15:48 |
| cjwatson | That was a fairly non-trivial memory hog | 15:48 |
| cjwatson | Might be worth backporting for .2 if it makes a difference to this kind of thing | 15:48 |
| infinity | skaet: Even if you don't respin for the cups bug, there's no reason (IMO) to release note something that has a fix sitting in -updates and doesn't affect the installation. | 15:49 |
| stgraber | infinity: it'll affect anyone trying to print from the livefs on an affected system | 15:49 |
| stgraber | and apparently people use our live environment for more than running ubiquity... | 15:49 |
| infinity | stgraber: People turn livecds into print servers? | 15:50 |
| * infinity shrugs. | 15:50 | |
| infinity | I know my brother uses livecds for pristine/secure web browsing, but people who print web pages are weird (ie: my parents) and almost the exact inverse of the set of people who read release notes. :P | 15:51 |
| stgraber | :) | 15:51 |
| smartboyhw | ;) | 15:51 |
| infinity | But more seriously, if we release note every known bug, it's a phone book that NO ONE will read, that's not what they're for. | 15:51 |
| * xnox remembers 7-digit phone numbers they were nice | 15:52 | |
| smartboyhw | Oh! | 15:52 |
| Daviey | xnox: i remember 4 digit phone numbers :) | 15:59 |
| xnox | Daviey: stop showing your age, you look much younger than 4 digit numbers ;-) | 16:00 |
| tumbleweed | I was going to remember 6 digit phone numbers, but I knew *someone* would one-up me | 16:00 |
| * ogra_ had a 4 digit number in his last house | 16:00 | |
| ogra_ | if you move far enough to the countryside they get shorter and shorter :) | 16:02 |
| * knome barely remembers his 2-digit age | 16:02 | |
| * balloons missed the end of the https://launchpad.net/bugs/1039405 conversation | 17:08 | |
| ubot2` | Ubuntu bug 1039405 in ubiquity "Lockups when running vm's with 768MB of memory" [Undecided,New] | 17:08 |
| cjwatson | probably amd64-specific; just splatting in a memory check is the wrong answer; may well be possible to backport keyboard page improvements from quantal for .2 | 17:09 |
| balloons | cjwatson, ty ;-) | 17:10 |
| stgraber | jibel: noticed that nobody did i386 LTSP, I'll take care of it. | 18:05 |
| tjaalton | i've uploaded xorg that adds xserver-xorg-video-modesetting to x-x-video-all depends, fixes bug 1039648 | 18:11 |
| ubot2` | Launchpad bug 1039648 in xorg "kvm/cirrus: X driver will not load when kernel module is loaded" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1039648 | 18:11 |
| tjaalton | means that -modesetting needs to be moved to main | 18:12 |
| tjaalton | doubt it would need a MIR.. | 18:12 |
| xnox | tjaalton: \0/ | 18:13 |
| jibel | stgraber, I doing mac atm, I can do ltsp right after if you want | 18:23 |
| stgraber | jibel: install is running here | 18:26 |
| * skaet --> lunch | 19:02 | |
| jibel_ | balloons, skaet alternate on mac is ok, I tested encrypted+lvm and non-encrypted/guided and manual partitioning | 19:21 |
| jibel_ | no testing desktop images | 19:21 |
| jibel_ | now | 19:21 |
| balloons | jibel, k.. I'm trying to fill in the missng tests as well on the alt images (non-mac of course) | 19:23 |
| balloons | jibel, does selecting ftp as mirror fail for you on alt images. | 19:32 |
| balloons | I've seen that before.. but it might actually be a bug | 19:33 |
| jibel_ | balloons, I didn't try to select ftp as mirror, I will test it | 19:39 |
| balloons | jibel, trying again with i386 iso.. | 19:59 |
| balloons | I was using vm.. that MIGHT have caused the issue.. | 20:00 |
| balloons | ahh.. got it to work now with ftp://mirror.anl.gov/pub/ubuntu | 20:03 |
| balloons | jibel, seems like the vmwareeasyinstall testcase is a bit messed up.. I'll update it.. I took new screenshots anyway :-) | 20:15 |
| jibel | balloons, how messed up ? there is already all the screenshots on the wiki | 20:18 |
| jibel | http://testcases.qa.ubuntu.com/Install/VMWareEasyInstall | 20:18 |
| balloons | http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/230/builds/21389/testcases/591/results | 20:20 |
| balloons | most of precise didn't get updated to point to the new testcases it looks like.. I just left it alone | 20:21 |
| balloons | but it seems the conversion for this testcase only has 2 steps :-) | 20:21 |
| jibel | ah ok. 2 steps are more than enough for this test. 1. select the iso 2. click next until installation is done | 20:23 |
| balloons | lol.. it's pretty much it | 20:23 |
| balloons | so getting vmware player running required a patch.. how odd | 20:24 |
| * balloons not a fan | 20:24 | |
| knome | vmware... why not use vbox :) | 20:26 |
| jibel | balloons, do you use the linux or windows version ? on ubuntu I couldn't install it, python segfaulted during install | 20:27 |
| balloons | jibel, on ubuntu | 20:28 |
| balloons | I got it to install using a patch | 20:28 |
| balloons | knome, I do use vbox :-) | 20:28 |
| balloons | this was just to get the vmware easy install testcase covered | 20:28 |
| knome | :)= | 20:28 |
| balloons | I'd never done it, so .. | 20:28 |
| knome | i used to use vmware, but it was a bit too much hassle, and non-open | 20:29 |
| balloons | wow.. I can't change the vm settings with player | 20:32 |
| balloons | this is weird | 20:32 |
| * skaet back | 20:44 | |
| skaet | thanks jibel. | 20:44 |
| knome | welcome | 20:44 |
| balloons | ohh biy | 20:46 |
| balloons | I crashed ubiquity.. | 20:46 |
| skaet | balloons, details please. That sort of message does tend to get my attention during the ramp up to a release.... | 20:47 |
| balloons | skaet, heh.. yea.. I shall try and re-create | 20:47 |
| balloons | manual install on i386 | 20:47 |
| balloons | I was just doing it to test rescue mode on i386 | 20:47 |
| balloons | rescue i386 doesn't like 64bit os's :-) | 20:48 |
| * skaet nods | 20:48 | |
| balloons | same error | 20:52 |
| jibel | balloons, can you be more specific ? | 20:54 |
| balloons | jibel, yes.. I'm going to try real hardware first.. sorry I don't want to excite anyone just yet :-) | 20:54 |
| balloons | skaet, everything is fine :-) | 21:02 |
| * skaet steps down the alert level... ;) | 21:12 | |
| SpamapS | its fine to let unseeded stuff into precise-updates right now, correct? | 21:51 |
| stgraber | unseeded is fine, yes | 21:51 |
| skaet | SmapapS, yes, as long as unseeded | 21:52 |
| skaet | :) | 21:52 |
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