[07:22] <AlanBell> yothsoggoth: I have a BENQ projector that I am quite happy with
[07:27] <mattt> morning all
[07:31] <diplo> Morning all
[07:41] <mattt> yo diplo
[08:15] <oimon> guys, i'm getting Enter password for keyring "default" to unlock.  - however isn't that usually my logon passwd?
[08:18] <diplo> yeah, friend had that.. can't remember the fix but their defo is one :)
[08:18] <BigRedS> usually
[08:18] <diplo> Something got out of sync i think from memory
[08:18] <BigRedS> they can get disconnected, it's pretty common
[08:18] <BigRedS> I can't remember how to re-sync them but it shouldn't be much of a google away
[08:19] <oimon> hmm, i just needed to sleep on it. i got the password today
[08:20] <oimon> part of my problem is that my setup is a botch up of lubuntu+cinnamon. i should probably just install mint and be done
[08:21] <BigRedS> nah, I've done some pretty daft things with my DEs and had a working keyring...
[08:23] <oimon> yeah but lubuntu is a bit minimal and sometimes certain featuers don't appear due to lack of the right package
[08:26] <oimon> hands up anyone who got more than 5hrs sleep last night?
[08:27]  * BigRedS raises hand
[08:27] <BigRedS> I think
[08:27]  * oimon glares
[08:27]  * BigRedS looks smug
[08:27] <oimon> was in bed for 10 hrs but sleep didn't come easily
[08:28] <BigRedS> Ah, I was exhausted
[08:28] <BigRedS> that helped
[08:28] <DJones> O/
[08:28] <popey> morning
[08:28] <AlanBell> MartijnVdS: https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/165847_256318177805327_1773261989_n.jpg
[08:31] <oimon> this is my life http://dilbert.com/fast/2012-05-24
[08:33] <JamesTait> Good morning all! :)
[08:37] <DJones> Heh, we've got IT support in dealing with some viruses on a couple of machines, he was saying he knows of a business that had 85 out 300 machines all go down with the same virus over the weekend, all I can say is Ouch, that must have been fun fixing
[08:37] <oimon> still happens then?
[08:38] <oimon> seems like 2005 since i had to deal with worm outbreaks
[08:39] <diplo> oimon: I was about to say the same thing
[08:39] <oimon> my boss had a laptop that he took home and was on a certain 10mb broadband where all users were catching 1-day old viruses that the antivir couldn't handle yet
[08:39] <diplo> I've not had that in years
[08:39] <oimon> he would come in on a monday and infect the whole office
[08:39] <diplo> I had someone come to me yesterday with internet not working
[08:39] <diplo> Bloody mcaffee again sending out broken dat files which broke the internet connection
[08:40] <oimon> i've become a little naive since using ubuntu full time
[08:40] <DJones> Yep, seems like its a new virus doing the rounds, none of the AV softwares are detecting it yet, it delivers by drive by just from an email preview and comes in 3 parts, each part is individually safe, its only when it it installs part 1 that the other 2 parts get installed by it and create the virus and the AV software then starts trying to delete & can't because it recreates/blocks the AV
[08:40] <oimon> well, naive in that although i don't trust a windows machine to login to any websites..
[08:41] <oimon> DJones, what's the attach vector? ie? java? flash?
[08:41] <DJones> I'm not sure, I'm going to find out which virus it is and have a read up in a bit
[08:41]  * oimon is wondering how peiople use IBM in datacenters. i have to reseat the blades manually a lot
[08:42] <diplo> Having staff to do it for them I guess, most people pay for a peen to look after racks dont they ?
[08:43] <oimon> remote hands are quite ££
[08:43] <oimon> our other DC is rented space
[08:43] <oimon> and 40km away
[08:45] <oimon> and then when you pop the blade in, it takes 15 mins to "discover" and over 5 mins to get past POST
[08:46] <diplo> The post part on most of our servers was the part that scared me when working remotely
[08:47] <diplo> Our files server got so bad I drove in from home before it finished posting/booting :P
[08:49] <DJones> oimon: Not found out the name of the virus yet, IT guy said it removes services
[08:49] <diplo> I dont understand viruses like that tbh
[08:50] <diplo> Destructive viruses stopped years ago, most are now about collecting info
[08:51] <oimon> yeah the ones that replaces sections of a web page are scary
[08:51] <oimon> and if you wanna get a name for being an awesome coder you just write an app or OSS
[08:52] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[08:53] <diplo> oimon: Or write a virus that takes over the worlds computers like Sasser etc, that was on the news / everything
[08:54] <oimon> morning brobostigon
[08:54] <brobostigon> morning oimon
[09:01] <DJones> How stupid are some people http://www.kentonline.co.uk/kentonline/news/2012/august/20/car_fire.aspx I can't believe that Firefighters have even had to give a warning about this, the driver of the car should be a candidate for a Darwin award
[09:01] <diplo> hah, #linux is trending on G+ and one of the pictures is rather good shot of a ladies ahem
[09:01] <diplo> My new background I think
[09:01] <diplo> :P
[09:02] <TheOpenSourcerer> diplo: Cute :-D
[09:04] <diplo> heh
[09:11] <oimon> anyone actively using any apps from the showdown comp? i'm using lightread now
[09:12] <popey> looks nice, not tried it yet
[09:13] <diplo> Used lightread for a while and another one
[09:13] <diplo> Had some issues with it timing out and not remembered to open it since
[09:29] <oimon> it replaced liferea
[09:37] <DJones> oimon: The virus in question was this one http://www.microsoft.com/security/portal/Threat/Encyclopedia/Entry.aspx?Name=Trojan%3AWin32%2FSirefef.AL
[09:38] <diplo> Avoid downloading pirated software.
[09:38] <diplo> :P
[09:39] <diplo> Due to the severe consequences associated with this threat, you may need to reinstall your Windows operating system and other computer programs, and restore your files and data from backup if the Sirefef infection fails to be resolved.
[09:39] <diplo> Recommending reinstalling, quite strong really :/
[09:41] <directhex> microsoft making a "nuke it" recommendation? that's pretty extreme
[09:42] <DJones> Very harsh, the support guy had to go direct to the AV supplier & get specialist tools from them to clear it
[09:44] <DJones> He's just been running AV on the directors computer, Symantic found 97 infections, he's running a 2nd one and thats found an additional 17 infections
[09:46] <DJones> And thats the director responsible for IT in the company
[09:46] <diplo> lol DJones, not very good group policies at your place then
[09:47] <diplo> Before I left my last place I had locked everything down, nothing could be installed unless they spoke to us
[09:47] <diplo> Not sure if they are still using it though, I just got fed up of it all.
[09:47] <directhex> i'd be surprised if we had any viruses at our company
[09:47] <popey> hjnnaqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqkiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiixs
[09:48] <popey> thanks cat
[09:48] <diplo> heh, all linux boxes directhex ?
[09:48] <DJones> diplo: Not really, saying that, people aren't alowed to use the computers for personal use, aren't allowed to install things etc, just nobody does anything and the IT policies generally are a joke
[09:48] <directhex> diplo, yes
[09:48] <diplo> I run both at work, but I still can't remember the last time I got a virus
[09:49] <diplo> Probably 5-6 years plus
[09:49] <diplo> yeah our policies were the same DJones but noone including bosses took any notice, so I just took it upon myself to stop them :D
[09:50] <diplo> Wasn't the most liked near the time I left, but did it stop lot's of issues
[09:50] <dwatkins> popey: still no Paw Sense, then? ;)
[09:50] <oimon> i wonder how the director got the virus
[09:50] <oimon> PHB clicks an email? or downloads something..
[09:51] <DJones> diplo: Luckily, I'm not in IT, I look after my own computer and thats it, everyone else can go to Windows Hell since thats all we've got, even the file servers are obsolete
[09:51] <dwatkins> oimon: perhaps through a webpage
[09:51] <DJones> oimon: click first, think later
[09:51] <diplo> ah yeah, you're in the finance dept aren't you ?
[09:51] <diplo> I think the majority of malware/viruses are now coming via JS related stuff now ( Facebook etc )
[09:51] <popey> dwatkins, seems not
[09:52] <DJones> The virus was a drive buy, you didn't even need to click on it to open it, it can infect from just a preview
[09:52] <dwatkins> popey: it would be handy (and amusing)
 My cat is currently walking on the keyboard, and Ubuntu AntiPaws has locked my screen to stop me typing lots of nonsense
[09:52] <popey> hah
[09:53] <diplo> I  used to follow someone on Twitter whos 4 year old used to nick her phone and write nonsense on her twitter feed
[09:54] <dwatkins> Sounds better than many Twitter feeds I've read.
[09:54] <davmor2> Morning all
[09:54] <oimon> DJones, sounds like an ie vulnerability then? i'd like to know if there's a specific patch that is supposed to block this
[09:55] <DJones> I suspect its come in via MS Outlook
[10:23]  * davmor2 prods czajkowski with a big pointy proddy stick
[10:58] <oimon> shhh
[11:31] <oimon> are drivers of council cage trucks allowed to take them home with them?
[11:31] <Flashtek> oimon: I suspect it depends on the LA
[11:32] <davmor2> oimon: depends on the council,  Some stipulate that you must have lunch back at the depot, some stipulate that you have lunch while you are out to save coming into the depot to go back out again
[11:32] <oimon> how about overnight?
[11:32] <Flashtek> depends on la
[11:33] <oimon> every night this week the alarm has been going off multiple times per night
[11:33] <Flashtek> call them up and ask
[11:33] <oimon> my experience of local councils is they don't know/don't care what dept you need to talk to
[11:34] <Flashtek> ok, when it goes off next time, dial 101 and tell them
[11:34] <popey> i love my local council
[11:34] <popey> they're freaking awesome
[11:34] <davmor2> oimon: Again some do some don't on the whole not, but there exceptions, ie if their car is off the road and they need to get to work etc they maybe able to drive a van that has no tools on it for example
[11:34] <Flashtek> mine vary
[11:38] <oimon> he's not exactly an approachable guy so it makes things worse
[11:38] <czajkowski> davmor2: ello
[11:39] <czajkowski> popey: me and mrevell will be in on Friday in the office if you're about
[11:39] <popey> ok
[11:41] <xr1rr> What is the best way to go about creating a server for mainly storage
[11:42] <xr1rr> It will have a big images mainly iso images for download
[11:42] <oimon> hmm how are the side buttons on my mouse configured? in thunderbird they switch between older and newer messages, but no options in the gui
[11:43] <xr1rr> An I need to be able to use wget to get/update the files often
[11:43] <BigRedS> oimon: they're normally back and forward
[11:43] <BigRedS> I can't remember how to configure them in this crazy post-1999 world
[11:43] <BigRedS> xr1rr: get something with big disks, install an http server
[11:44] <xr1rr> First idea was to use s3, but i have to download files locally and then upload and this is time wasting
[11:44] <oimon> ooh https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ManyButtonsMouseHowto
[11:45] <xr1rr> one server is most likely to crash with traffic downloading the files tho?
[11:45] <BigRedS> that depends on what sort of traffic you're expecting
[11:45] <oimon> depends what you're up to , but S3 is £££
[11:45] <BigRedS> you've not really given us any details
[11:46] <xr1rr> the files will be around 800mb and around 100 downloads per day
[11:46] <BigRedS> if they're largely static a CDN is probably what you're after
[11:47] <BigRedS> unless all or most of  your visitors are geographically close to each other
[11:47] <xr1rr> Another idea is to use bittorrent to save on bandwidth costs but I still need one good seed
[11:47] <xr1rr> I found this site; Feral Hosting anyone know about them?
[11:48] <Flashtek> not i
[11:52] <BigRedS> Anyone know if I can delegate HTTP auth? So permit access to page X if the credentials supplied will let me log in to page Y?
[11:53] <BigRedS> heh. ideally in lighty. That's not going to happen :)
[11:53] <xr1rr> So is the downloading on big files likely to crash a small server, or is it likely to just die because of network speeds
[11:53] <BigRedS> but I guess I could use mod_perl to do it
[11:53] <BigRedS> you're likely to saturate your connection before Apache cares too much
[11:54] <BigRedS> so, people will stop being able to connect because your provider wont let them, rather than because your web server has crashed
[11:56] <xr1rr> ok
[11:58] <Flashtek> xr1rr: you're dealing with multiple big file downloads yes ?
[11:58] <xr1rr> yes
[11:58] <Flashtek> bittorrent
[11:58] <Flashtek> and host on a vps
[11:58] <xr1rr> Ok, but I still need a server to act as main seed right?
[11:58] <Flashtek> i would recomment Bytemark
[11:59] <Flashtek> indeed
[11:59] <penguin42> me too
[11:59] <xr1rr> How would the best way be to setup this
[12:02] <xr1rr> Would I use apache an use it as a normal server setup or setup it as a torrent server
[12:04] <BigRedS> I'd install a web server to serve a web page explaining what's going on and to serve the torrent file (or magnet link or whatever), and install a torrent thingy on it to be a main seed
[12:05] <BigRedS> I use rtorrent
[12:07] <oimon> out of interest xr1rr what's the iso for ? a linux distro?
[12:08] <xr1rr> Yes alot of the iso's are linux distro's and a few other opensource things
[12:08] <oimon> but custom ones rather than just providing a mirror?
[12:10] <xr1rr> both. i am trying to make a search engine for linux distros and allowing them to directly download them
[12:10] <davmor2> thanks god for backups
[12:11] <davmor2> and realises he needs to do them more frequently :D
[12:11] <popey> xr1rr, isn't that going to eat bandwidth?
[12:11] <xr1rr> yep thats my problem
[12:11] <xr1rr> storage and bandwidth
[12:12] <popey> also, what's the issue you're trying to solve?
[12:12] <diplo> I was about to ask the same question
[12:12] <oimon> i think it's called distrowatch
[12:12] <xr1rr> similar to distrowatch yes
[12:13] <oimon> you don't need to host the isos
[12:13] <diplo> Just link to the distro pages etc
[12:13] <oimon> since the distro creators already do a great job of providing resilient and safe place
[12:13] <diplo> and *they* pay the bandwith charges
[12:15] <xr1rr> yes but some of the smaller distro's have problems with providing stable downloads
[12:15] <xr1rr> and with paying for the bandwidth costs
[12:15] <BigRedS> then you should mirror them
[12:15] <BigRedS> rather than set up a new, distinct, service
[12:16] <BigRedS> just subscribe to their torrents
[12:16] <popey> why do they have problems finding places to host their isos?
[12:16] <popey> there's plenty of options
[12:16] <BigRedS> and, if you can provide proper resilient hosting of the sort of volume they need, perhaps offer a proper mirror service. But I'd suggest that if you can do it so can they
[12:16] <popey> sourceforge for example
[12:17] <BigRedS> generally, though, as projects become popular enough to have problems hosting they also attract donations of service. We mirror Ubuntu and Debian here, for example. We use them quite heavily, an internal apt mirror makes sense, and so we may as well be a public one
[12:18] <xr1rr> Yeah but Im offering a place to find to host linux dsitros and talk about them, then download thing was a way to help out
[12:18] <BigRedS> Is there a need for that? I'm struggling to see the unsolved problem you're solving
[12:19] <popey> xr1rr, talk about them? a forum?
[12:19] <xr1rr> Most people for example start with one Linux distro and then they move and want to see what else is around
[12:19] <BigRedS> there's already more fragmentation than would be ideal; I don't see why a new forum for the discussion of Linux is needed. Perhaps you'll do it differently to all the fora, mailing lists, exchanges, subreddits and irc channels, but in your position I'd want a pretty clear idea of how it'll be different and why nobody's done that before
[12:20] <BigRedS> before sinking money into it
[12:21] <diplo> +1 :)
[12:21] <xr1rr> I understand what your saying
[12:22] <oimon> xr1rr, please take it as helpful critique rather than everybody bashing your idea :)
[12:23] <xr1rr> and I agree. I think I am not explaining myself rite. Basically some think like distrowatch but with a nicer web 2.0 interface and more functionally
[12:23] <oimon> distrowatch is a pretty hideous site tbh
[12:24] <xr1rr> trying to create a way of promoting Linux distro's more, that is the reason for it
[12:25] <oimon> i suspect the design of DW hasn't changed in 10 yrs
[12:26] <oimon> yep, pretty much the same http://web.archive.org/web/20020124204635/http://www.distrowatch.com/
[12:26] <xr1rr> but I think bit torrent is the best way to go for helping with downloads i guess.
[12:27] <popey> depends who the target market is
[12:28] <BigRedS> I don't think a "nice 2.0 interface" and "bit torrent" are solutions to the same problem, personally
[12:28] <xr1rr> so direct downloads?
[12:29] <BigRedS> I didn't say that :)
[12:29] <BigRedS> It just sounds like you're really eager to provide a solution so you're desperately searching for a problem that you want to solve
[12:31] <BigRedS> If what's wanted is a Web2.0 DistroWatch (whatever that is) then the expectation will be easy web-based downloading, surely?
[12:31] <xr1rr> ok
[12:32] <oimon> yesss just remembered i have cake
[12:32] <BigRedS> I know nothing of web design/development, but could Distrowatch be spruced up with a new CSS file? Would it be worth doing that to get a more modern distrowatch and distributing it as a greasemonkey plugin or somesuch? Or just sending it to whoever is behind distrowatch and asking what they think of it?
[12:32] <BigRedS> I don't really know how that works, but I'm concerned you'll put a lot of effort and some money into setting up a service that's prettier than distrowatch but not better in such a way as to attract users
[12:33] <xr1rr> but I said similar to Distrowatch
[12:33] <xr1rr> not a redesign
[12:33] <BigRedS> yeah. what should be different?
[12:33] <oimon> the way to improve things is firstly from within
[12:33] <oimon> if they don't listen then you provide the alternative independently
[12:34] <BigRedS> distrowatch already has infrastructure, audience and trust. Those are _hard_ to get, and if you can use theirs you'll save yourself a lot of bother
[12:34] <diplo> Anyone know a way of converting Psion files and contacts to a usable format ?
[12:34] <diplo> epoch32 i believe
[12:34] <BigRedS> ISTR a thingy for epoch that'd do it
[12:35] <BigRedS> if youv'e still got the psion
[12:35] <BigRedS> I can have a dredge to see if I've still got it if you do have a psion still
[12:35] <diplo> The guy has a backup of the dat files on a CF card, Psion was sent off to be fixed and has got lost by the royal mail
[12:35] <diplo> He has a older Psion that he may be able to use though
[12:35] <BigRedS> aw man. Not good :(
[12:35] <diplo> So yeah if you have
[12:36] <BigRedS> If I've got it it, it'd be for a 5mx or a 3c
[12:36] <diplo> I'll ask him shortly
[12:36] <oimon> i have a revo somewhere
[12:36] <oimon> needs new batteries probably though
[12:36] <BigRedS> cool. It might be this evening before I can check; it'll be on the fileserver at my dad's and his router keeps forgetting to let ssh in
[12:37] <diplo> :P
[12:37] <BigRedS> So I have to wait for someone to be in to reconfigure it...
[12:37] <diplo> I'm out watching Bourne film tonight so anytime in the next week or so is fine :)
[12:37] <diplo> thanks
[12:39] <oimon> http://www.ericlindsay.com/epoc/sisync5.htm
[12:39] <BigRedS> Hm, talking to a friend, he reckons I probably used PsiWin and Outlook's own export mechanism
[12:39] <diplo> yeah i've found psiwin ( I dont have outlook though )
[12:40] <oimon> looks primising http://software.frodo.looijaard.name/psiconv/
[12:40] <BigRedS> yeah, I think I did at the time. Still, when I get some ssh I'll see if I can find anything
[12:40] <diplo> ta
[12:41] <diplo> oimon: Your foo is better than mine today
[12:41] <diplo> :D
[12:42] <diplo> Cool, linux prog as well
[12:42] <diplo> Will get the data off him and give it a go
[12:42] <diplo> See if I can find my CF reader next
[12:49] <BigRedS> aha, nifty
[13:14] <Mez> AlanBell: ping :)
[13:16] <Mez> Anyone who might know anything about Global Jam: Ping
[13:17] <AlanBell> hi Mez
[13:17] <Mez> AlanBell: Afternoon :)
[13:17] <popey> hello!
[13:17] <popey> reminds me, need to ask how many people want to come to canonical for jamming
[13:17] <Mez> Is anyone organising anything at the moment for the Global Jam ?
[13:17] <popey> yes
[13:17] <popey> i am
[13:17] <popey> but only one in London, no others
[13:18] <Mez> popey: that's part of what I'm pinging for.
[13:18] <Mez> I've ran the birmingham one a few times - thinking of doing it again :)
[13:18] <Mez> As work have a conference centre attached - it makes sense :)
[13:18] <Mez> (though, Coventry, not Birmingham)
[13:19] <Mez> Anyone have thoughts/comments/suggestions/other regarding that ?
[13:19] <AlanBell> I am not going to be doing much with it (probably) as I am working at the Paralympics
[13:19] <Mez> The next full team meeting is scheduled for 2nd February 2012, 18:00 BST (17:00 UTC) and will be held in #ubuntu-uk-meeting on irc.freenode.net. <-- wow out of date :)
[13:24] <BigRedS> Ah, clearly you don't have a time machine
[13:25] <BigRedS> Ooh, I'd be up for going to a Jam in London. Not sure what I can do to help, but I'll pass biscuits around
[13:26] <Mez> BigRedS: not up for one in Coventry ? :P
[13:28] <Mez> just popped a post to the ML to see what interest might be like.
[13:29] <Mez> http://media.djhenry.co.uk/photos/2012/07/02/SJB_0312.jpg <-- someone did a god job of taking pics of our conference centre
[13:30] <BigRedS> Mez: Hmm, less up for it, but Coventry is about as far away from where I am as London is
[13:30] <Mez> BigRedS: Is that just cause it's Coventry ? :P
[13:31] <popey> so the schedule says thursday to sunday for the jam
[13:32] <BigRedS> Well, I've still not quite accepted the fact that I've moved out of London
[13:32] <popey> I am thinking I might do thursday/friday or friday/saturday
[13:32] <popey> what do people think?
[13:32] <popey> means we can get a mix of people
[13:32] <popey> especially friday/saturday
[13:32] <BigRedS> yeah, I'll only be able to do the weekend
[13:33] <Mez> does it ?  I thought it just said Fri/Sat/Sun
[13:33] <BigRedS> but I guess there'll be several who can't
[13:33] <Mez> we're able to do all of it here though :)
[13:33] <popey> got a link?
[13:33] <Mez> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/global/1901/detail/
[13:33] <Mez> 7th - 9th
[13:34] <KrimZon> nowadays whenever I see those wide angle shots I can almost feel the other two walls pressing against the back of my head
[13:35] <Mez> KrimZon: it's not *that* wide angle a shot (and it's taken from a doorway :)
[13:35] <popey> ah, so 7-8th in london will work well i think
[13:36] <Mez> if it was wide angle - you'd see the entrances to the 2 meeting rooms :)
[13:36] <KrimZon> ahh :)
[13:36] <BigRedS> whoah that paragraph needs reformatting
[13:36] <Mez> which paragraph?
[13:37] <BigRedS> There's only one - that's teh problem :) On the link you posted
[13:37] <BigRedS> It looks a lot like someone copied and pasted several paragraphs into something that didn't recognise the linebreaks
[13:48] <AlanBell> czajkowski can edit that
[13:49] <czajkowski> fixed
[13:50] <BigRedS> Whoop! ta!
[13:57] <popey> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/2012-August/034914.html
[13:57] <popey> \o/ global jam london
[13:59] <Dave2> London manages to get pretty jammed by itself
[14:00] <czajkowski> doodlepoll++
[14:08] <BigRedS> How does the jam normally work? Is it working-day sort of hours then a pub? Or all-night-hackathon-and-pizza style?
[14:13] <popey> daytime
[14:24] <BigRedS> aha, cool
[14:25] <davmor2> BigRedS: normally you take the lid off and spread it on your buttered toast :D
[14:29] <BigRedS> davmor2: :)
[14:30]  * Flashtek grins
[14:40]  * DJones wonders whether he should worry that his 72 year old mother is about to read the 50 shades trilogy
[14:41] <Darael> DJones: A friend of mine is blogging some excellent snark on those books.
[14:42] <dadolino> hi to all
[14:42] <DJones> Hi dadolino
[14:43] <dadolino> I need one help
[14:43] <dadolino> about browsing
[14:43] <DJones> Ask your question, we'll see if we can help
[14:43] <dadolino> ok it goes like this
[14:44] <dadolino> I have get list of web sites  and its like 500 sites
[14:44] <dadolino> from the work
[14:44] <dadolino> but some of that links are broken and like infected
[14:45] <dadolino> I use ubuntu 12.10  and chromium brow
[14:45] <dadolino> so is there any way to protect my self from
[14:45] <dadolino> bad sites if I wisit some of them
[14:46] <Darael> The vast majority of websites that contain malware will have it targeted at Windows only.  I don't believe there's any malware in the wild at the moment targeting Linux desktops.  You're pretty much safe anyway.
[14:46] <BigRedS> why do you need to visit them? Is it a single download that you need?
[14:47] <dadolino> and what about  my saved  pass in chrome
[14:47] <dadolino> can that be seen
[14:47] <jacobw> define bad sites
[14:47] <dadolino> or is bether to use some software then   to save it in chrome brows
[14:47] <Darael> Not unless you go installing browser extensions that might be able to read it.  The browser should prompt before installing any, so...
[14:47] <dadolino> like porn sites ,
[14:48] <dadolino> one site I open it was like this site was hackd   xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[14:49] <DJones> I wonder whether something like DansGuardian would help with that, presumably it would block any dodgy sites
[14:49] <Flashtek> indeed it could
[14:49] <Darael> It might be easier to give useful information if you tell us why you're looking at this list of 500 sites?  Presumably there's something you're trying to achieve?
[14:49] <Darael> DG does sound like a good place to begin.
[14:49] <dadolino> what is that application or
[14:51] <dadolino> do you know any good firewall   router that I can download and install on my old pc
[14:51] <dadolino> in home
[14:55] <oimon> dadolino, i believe there are blacklists of sites you can add to adblock so that your browser doesn't open them
[14:55] <oimon> otherwise i've used lists which i've applied to squidguard to block staff from accessing bad sites
[14:56] <oimon> including tottenham hotsp*r home page
[14:57] <dadolino> that list is that i get
[14:57] <dadolino> from company bos and they need to
[14:57] <dadolino> have telephone numbers
[14:57] <dadolino> but some sites when i wisit it
[14:57] <dadolino> was not there and then its redirection
[14:58] <dadolino> and that sheet
[14:58] <dadolino> and then redirect me on some porno site
[14:58] <dadolino> like that companies before was on that domain but they change or what
[14:58] <dadolino> dont know
[14:58] <dadolino> and this company needs update contact numbers
[14:59] <dadolino> telephon
[15:04] <Flashtek> dadolino: ipcop, smoothwall and several others will run as a firewall/router/content filter.. depends how much control you want/have
[15:04] <dadolino> I want to have log
[15:05] <dadolino> so I can check what is going on
[15:05] <dadolino> these that you say they have logs   like when I put filter they show  what is going on
[15:06] <dadolino> DJones did DansGuardian can be installed just from   ubuntu app store ?
[15:07] <dadolino> I see it there
[15:07] <dadolino> and can I use it without proxy or I need and proxys
[15:08] <DJones> I've not used it for a long time, from what I remember about it, it just has a list of risky/dodgy website and blocks access to them if you try to go to them in a web browser
[15:09] <dadolino> ok i will install it from ubuntu store
[15:27] <TheOpenSourcerer> dadolino: You might want to take a look at Untangle too. You can drop that on a home machine (will take it over completely). It's a very powerful gateway application: http://www.untangle.com/
[15:37] <DJones> Azelphur: http://yro.slashdot.org/story/12/08/21/1530248/bitcoin-card-to-launch-in-2-months-says-bitinstant?
[15:40] <Azelphur> DJones, nice
[15:40] <Azelphur> I'm happy :p
[15:42] <ali1234> did pirate pay out yet?
[16:02] <popey> Azelphur, someone gave a talk about bitcoin at oggcamp
[16:04] <zleap> how do i register as a user
[16:04] <zleap> i know its something like /msg nickserv register password e-mail
[16:04] <zleap> is thatright
[16:05] <AlanBell> !register
[16:09]  * zleap is waiting for an e-mail
[16:14] <Azelphur> ali1234, no
[16:14] <Azelphur> popey, cool
[16:14] <popey> he didn't sell it well
[16:16] <Azelphur> popey, that's no good :(
[16:18] <popey> he went into quite a lengthy rant about banking and corruption
[16:18] <ali1234> of course
[16:18] <popey> and talked about some benefits of bitcoin
[16:18] <popey> and then when quizzed about what you could actually buy with them..
[16:18] <ali1234> bitcoin early adopters are all libertarian nutters
[16:18] <popey> left up a page showing tits
[16:18] <Azelphur> popey, the answer to that is...anything?
[16:19] <Azelphur> you name it, I can buy it with bitcoins
[16:19] <popey> thats not the point
[16:19] <Azelphur> oh?
[16:22] <popey> it's not straightforward
[16:22] <popey> like buying your weekly shopping or a newspaper, or any number of daily household items
[16:23] <ali1234> yeah... you used to be able t say the same thing about the internet
[16:23] <ali1234> so the question is
[16:23] <ali1234> are you going to just sit around and wait for someone else to make it
[16:23] <ali1234> or you going to do it yourself?
[16:23] <popey> indeed, that was discussed
[16:24] <popey> the analogy to the internet, and how the things that led the way were technical or porn
[16:24] <Azelphur> popey, that's because the infrastructure doesn't exist yet
[16:24] <ali1234> honestly, if you need this kind of stuff spoonfed to you in a hour long lecture format, then bitcoin is not mature enough for you yet
[16:24] <popey> Azelphur, I know
 you name it, I can buy it with bitcoins
[16:24] <Azelphur> it's perfectly capable of being super simple, and it probably will be in the future
[16:24] <Azelphur> but right now it's very new, it's only 3 years old
[16:31] <AlanBell> there is a credit card now isn't there
[16:32] <dwatkins> I expected bitcoins to stop being used since they're so easy to launder money with.
[16:34]  * AlanBell expected them to start being used for exactly the same reason
[17:03] <davmor2> Finally I got round to adding a photo to the desktop wallpaper I don't think I'll win with kitty_gonna_get_ya but hey :D
[17:03] <davmor2> I might add a more sensible one after :)
[17:24] <Azelphur> AlanBell: credit card was in the news today, eta is 1-2 months
[17:46] <bigcalm_laptop> Hi peeps :)
[17:46] <popey> yo
[17:47] <bigcalm_laptop> London is not for me
[17:47]  * bigcalm_laptop wants to be back home in the country side
[17:48] <bigcalm_laptop> Doesn't help that I have my yearly oggflu
[17:48] <davmor2> bigcalm_laptop: you're just a big girls blouse though, but I'm with you on the london thing
[17:49] <bigcalm_laptop> :P
[17:49] <davmor2> bigcalm_laptop: if you are at the elephant and castle you should meet up with filace and czajkowski
[17:49] <bigcalm_laptop> davmor2: you might have guessed, but I won't be at the LUG or WPD
[17:49] <davmor2> bigcalm_laptop: Yeah you already said
[17:50] <bigcalm_laptop> davmor2: E&C was the closest station, still a bit of a walk back to this hotel
[17:50] <bigcalm_laptop> Ah, I couldn't remember
[17:52]  * bigcalm_laptop sneezes at everything
[17:52] <brobostigon> aurghhh
[17:52] <bigcalm_laptop> Slow hotel connection is slow
[17:53] <brobostigon> :(
[17:54] <bigcalm_laptop> I'm guessing that all of the other guests are using it right now as well
[17:54] <davmor2> bigcalm_laptop: I blame aircons for eventflu's people dress for the hot clammy weather outside and then freeze to death slowly when in the conference
[17:55] <bigcalm_laptop> The conference wasn't cold
[17:55] <bigcalm_laptop> It was manageable (just)
[17:56] <czajkowski> davmor2: I'm out in canada water
[17:56] <czajkowski> you down for long bigcalm_laptop ?
[17:56] <bigcalm_laptop> czajkowski: here until Thursday evening
[17:57] <bigcalm_laptop> I'm pondering a little sight seeing (The Eye for example) at some point
[18:00] <davmor2> czajkowski: go an pick on the big girls blouse that is bigcalm_laptop show him some decent places to eat :)
[18:00] <bigcalm_laptop> czajkowski: Borough Road here
[18:01] <JamesTait> 'night all!
[18:01]  * JamesTait waves
[18:01] <bigcalm_laptop> Toodles
[18:11]  * bigcalm_laptop attacks the orange in the fridge
[18:11] <bigcalm_laptop> 1st hotel I've been to with fridge in the room!
[18:16]  * jacobw waits for complaint about the orange costing £5/200ml
[18:17] <dogmatic69> bigcalm_laptop: if you like your money, step away from the mini bar
[18:18] <davmor2> dogmatic69: he's in London it's probably still cheaper than the bar :D
[18:18] <dogmatic69> lol
[18:19] <bigcalm_laptop> There's no bar or mini-bar
[18:25] <bigcalm_laptop> What should I have for tea then?
[18:26] <bigcalm_laptop> czajkowski: any suggestions for nice eating places I won't look a tit for being there on my own?
[18:29] <AlanBell> bigcalm_laptop: grab a boris bike and head north
[18:30] <bigcalm_laptop> AlanBell: when should I stop heading north?
[18:30] <ali1234> the watford gap
[18:32] <bigcalm_laptop> I want to go home
[18:32] <AlanBell> there is loads of stuff near the river, and towards leicester square
[18:33] <jacobw> bigcalm_laptop: http://www.leonrestaurants.co.uk/restaurants/
[18:33] <czajkowski> bigcalm_laptop: at this hour, leicester square
[18:33] <czajkowski> or head down towards waterloo
[18:33] <czajkowski> lots of nice places along there to eat
[18:33] <czajkowski> from pizza express to some niec italian places
[18:34] <Azelphur> ali1234: the guys in #btcst have a drinking game going on, every time someone asks when pirate will pay out, drink
[18:34] <Azelphur> xD
[18:35] <bigcalm_laptop> czajkowski: thank you :)
[18:36] <popey> Azelphur, has he stopped paying out?
[18:37] <Azelphur> popey: he said he's shutting down and will be force withdrawing everyone over the course of the next week
[18:37] <Azelphur> so all the "pirate is a ponzi scam" people are laughing and saying we lost our money :p
[18:38] <popey> so they were right?
[18:39] <ali1234> there's still a small chance he will return deposits
[18:39] <ali1234> very very small
[18:39] <Azelphur> popey: not yet, he says he fully intends to pay everyone back
[18:39] <Azelphur> the way I see it, why would you announce your paying everyone back, stop taking deposits, and still hang around on IRC if you was scamming lol
[18:40] <Azelphur> so I'm still in the "it's probably not a scam" team
[18:40] <penguin42> Azelphur: So the price would drop a lot so that you could pay back less?
[18:40] <Azelphur> penguin42: huh?
[18:41] <penguin42> Azelphur: Well, I don't know how this works - does he pay back in $ or in BC ?
[18:41] <Azelphur> BTC.
[18:41] <ali1234> for lulz
[18:42] <ali1234> penguin42: you are probably correct about his plan
[18:43] <penguin42> ali1234: Well, if he's got the cash in $ he would want the BTC conversion price to be high to pay out minimum $ and hmm
[18:44] <mgdm> this sort of nonsense is why I have no interest in bitcoin
[18:44] <ali1234> he probably believes it will work to
[18:47] <Azelphur> penguin42: could well be, lots of people are conspiracying about that :P
[19:14] <davmor2> night all
[20:13] <Azelphur> anyone know how to add additional IPs that a server provider allocates you?
[20:13] <Azelphur> it's all on one interface
[20:13] <AlanBell> yus
[20:13] <Azelphur> how do
[20:13] <Azelphur> http://pastebin.com/6jpaDnup is how my ip addr looks atm
[20:13] <AlanBell> set them up as eth0:0 and eth0:1
[20:14] <Azelphur> AlanBell: nah, this seems to be different
[20:22] <mgdm> it's the same thing underneath
[20:23] <Azelphur> mgdm: huh?
[20:24] <mgdm> 'ip addr' and 'ifconfig eth0:1'
[20:25] <Azelphur> mgdm: not afaik, ifconfig only shows an eth1 with no virtual interfaces, ip addr shows all the IPs.
[20:26] <mgdm> Hmm. Maybe it's changed since I last cared about sysadmin
[20:27] <Azelphur> figured it out, ip addr add :)
[20:30] <penguin42> yeh, I should learn ip - I'm still an oldschooler who only really does stuff with ifconfig, I'd use an ifconfig eth1:1
[20:34] <Azelphur> hehe
[20:47] <Azelphur> re my amazon windows refund, seems amazon forgot about me haha
[20:47] <Azelphur> "We'll contact you within a maximum of 5 business days" they said this on the 10th :<
[20:47] <brobostigon> ouch
[20:48]  * Azelphur goes onto live chat to poke them
[20:48] <brobostigon> :
[20:48] <brobostigon> :)
[21:01] <brobostigon> kenny, lol
[21:02] <brobostigon> just found south park,
[21:03] <brobostigon> on some obscure freeview channel.
[21:19] <marxjohnson> my gf is about to buy a laptop, does anyone want to warn her off getting this one for any reason? http://is.gd/CZNMyt
[21:20] <daubers> marxjohnson: Noooo!! It's brown!!!!
[21:20] <Azelphur> marxjohnson: which one?
[21:21] <daubers> also the i5 or the i7?
[21:21] <marxjohnson> the i5
[21:21] <Azelphur> I think that machine might be Optimus
[21:21] <daubers> marxjohnson: Looks alright to me
[21:21] <Azelphur> nah it's not, *phew*
[21:22] <Azelphur> yep, looks good to me
[21:22] <daubers> (other than being brown)
[21:22] <Azelphur> indeed, brown
[21:22] <Azelphur> did we mention it's brown?
[21:22] <marxjohnson> what's Optimus, dare I ask?
[21:22] <daubers> I'm not sure about the brown you know
[21:22] <Azelphur> marxjohnson: an nvidia technology, nvidia takes the approach of "Oh you wanted to use Linux? Buy something else lol"
[21:22] <Azelphur> but that laptop doesn't appear to be Optimus, so you're good
[21:23] <Azelphur> gotta watch for nvidia optimus :p
[21:23] <marxjohnson> noted
[21:23] <Azelphur> marxjohnson: Linus Torvalds on nvidia optimus: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYWzMvlj2RQ
[21:24] <marxjohnson> ah, that's what prompted that
[21:24] <Azelphur> yup lol
[21:24] <marxjohnson> it's not noticeably brown, I think Ikea would call it black-brown
[21:25] <Azelphur> marxjohnson: I just bought a Lenovo S205 which is a bit brown too, I like it so far
[21:25] <Azelphur> apart from amazon are being lame about giving me a windows refund
[21:25] <Azelphur> and for some reason it arrived with a damaged delete key
[22:40] <gaz1069> anyone know much about k9copy?
[22:57] <dogmatic69> anyone know what the money you have paid on your house is called? eg: if you bought for 100k and owe 75k what is the 25k called
[23:00] <penguin42> deposit ?
[23:00] <penguin42> oh, you mean even after the deposit ?
[23:00] <dogmatic69> penguin42: ye
[23:00] <dogmatic69> after
[23:01] <dogmatic69> I keep thinking collateral but its not that.
[23:04] <penguin42> ...and then I keep thinking films about hitmen
[23:06] <dogmatic69> :/
[23:06] <soreau> equity
[23:07] <dogmatic69> soreau: ta, I think that is the one
[23:31] <RashMenS> yo
[23:32] <RashMenS> #finalownage