[01:00] <nathwill> night folks. off to find some blackberries for pickin'
[02:28] <blkperl> tgm4883: you mean that ppa thats no longer maintained?
[02:45] <tgm4883> blkperl, no, in the official repos
[02:45] <tgm4883> its old
[06:03] <bkerensa> tgm4883: Maybe whoever maintained it got busy?
[06:04] <bkerensa> Im sure they would sponsor a upload if you wanna update the package :)
[06:44] <philballew> you could switch to chrome if you just want an easy fix
[14:06] <tgm4883> bkerensa, I'm just wondering why we don't/can't do syncs from debian for it?
[14:06] <tgm4883> since debian has more recent versions
[16:18] <nathwill> tgm4883, you're referring to chromium still?
[16:19] <tgm4883> nathwill, yes
[16:19] <tgm4883> nathwill, well, chromium-browser
[16:19] <nathwill> right
[16:20] <MaskilPDX> Morning all
[16:20] <nathwill> so i think part of the issue with chromium has been the super-rapid pace of development, that's not really a good fit for the typical software inclusion process
[16:20] <tgm4883> morning
[16:20] <tgm4883> nathwill, please see FireFox
[16:20] <nathwill> tgm4883, yeah, i totally agree
[16:20] <nathwill> just commenting on the reasoning for the current state
[16:21] <nathwill> tgm4883, there should really be targeted "high use" applications that have their own delivery channel that you can turn on in the software center ("Prefer current to stable?")
[16:22] <nathwill> i'd include ff, chromium, thunderbird, gimp, etc
[16:22] <tgm4883> nathwill, I agree, although there kinda is now
[16:22] <tgm4883> extras allows updates to the released version
[16:22] <nathwill> hrm
[16:23] <tgm4883> stuff has to go in /opt
[16:23] <tgm4883> not sure the other requirements
[16:23] <nathwill> yeah that's a terrible place to install things
[16:23] <tgm4883> but that is what things submitted to developer.ubuntu.com go in
[16:23] <nathwill> yep. doesn't mean it's right.
[16:24] <tgm4883> hmm
[16:24] <tgm4883> it loosly fits the definitions
[16:24] <tgm4883>  /opt   This directory should contain add-on packages that contain static files.
[16:25] <nathwill> so aside from the fact that it's superfluous, my major objection to /opt is that it's generally mounted on the same partition as root
[16:25] <tgm4883> Default partitioning in Ubuntu is the same is it not?
[16:25] <tgm4883> everything in one partition
[16:25] <nathwill> which causes problems. especially when we're pushing big (gigs) commercial apps down
[16:25] <tgm4883> I don't recall if /home is a different partition
[19:05] <bkerensa> tgm4883: I see
[19:12] <bkerensa> nathwill: My fiancee is going to kill me soon if I don't offload this server :) any chance on Thursday you might want to hold onto it for a bit?
[19:12] <bkerensa> :D
[19:12] <bkerensa> imho if we don't hear back from PSU soon perhaps it might be best to consider Plan B
[19:14] <nathwill> sure thing bkerensa, let's meet up for lunch/dinner on thursday?
[19:14] <nathwill> and we can do the swap then
[19:14] <nathwill> then i can load the hard drives and get the base installed
[19:14] <bkerensa> nathwill: uhh the debian beering?
[19:14] <bkerensa> :)
[19:15] <bkerensa> Maybe you can swing by and I can put it in your trunk and we can go to the beering?
[19:15] <bkerensa> slangasek: that is still going on thursday right?
[19:19] <bkerensa> tgm4883: any interest in being a banner keeper? :)
[19:20] <tgm4883> bkerensa, I could possibly, I don't go to many events that you aren't already at though
[19:21] <bkerensa> tgm4883: yeah but you are in our second most active city :) so if someone needed the banner you could offload it much easier :)
[19:21] <tgm4883> true
[19:24] <nathwill> oh, even better
[19:36] <bkerensa> tgm4883: you planning for UDS?
[19:36] <tgm4883> bkerensa, I've applied for sponsorship
[19:37] <bkerensa> So I imagine you will go :)
[19:37] <tgm4883> I can hope :)
[19:37] <tgm4883> maybe slangasek gets a vote?
[19:37] <bkerensa> he does
[19:37] <bkerensa> :)
[19:37] <tgm4883> Vote for tgm4883!
[19:37] <bkerensa> All Team Managers do
[19:37] <bkerensa> :)
[19:38] <bkerensa> Kernel, Foundations, Security, Desktop, Server/Cloud, Community and then sabdfl
[19:38] <tgm4883> cool
[19:39] <bkerensa> The hotel and convention center in copenhagen looks amazing
[19:39] <tgm4883> yea looks pretty nice
[20:15] <c_smith> bkerensa, you know how you asked if my issue with my Iconia Tab was fixable? here's an XDA Dev post about that issue: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1845699     so essentially, I was fishing with dynamite.
[21:31] <bkerensa> nathwill: I have a interview with PuppetLabs Thursday
[21:31] <bkerensa> ;)
[21:32] <nathwill> bkerensa, good luck!
[21:33] <bkerensa> nathwill: I know right :P its with a VP even ;p
[21:35] <nathwill> the guy we met at the release party?
[21:38] <bkerensa> nathwill: nah that "was" their Community Manager
[21:38] <bkerensa> ;)
[21:38] <bkerensa> Guess what job I applied for?
[21:38] <bkerensa> ;)
[21:38] <nathwill> hey slangasek, any insight on the debian perl policy saying "no daemons" ?
[21:38] <bkerensa> "Community Manager" ;)
[21:38] <nathwill> rofl
[21:38] <bkerensa> lol
[21:38] <nathwill> i see
[21:39] <slangasek> nathwill: I don't see anything like that in the perl policy I have here?
[21:41] <nathwill> k, i'll see if i can find it again. was reading through it last night at home (diff pc)
[21:53] <nathwill> slangasek: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/first.en.html#choose my mistake, this section is not specific to perl
[21:53] <nathwill> it just says "don't package daemons", which is even cooler
[21:54] <slangasek> nor is it part of Policy
[21:54] <slangasek> it's just a set of recommendations for getting started on contributing to Debian
[21:56] <nathwill> gotcha
[21:57] <bkerensa> nathwill: Lucky Lab has a Taster for $8.50 its great
[21:57] <nathwill> slangasek, you have any intuition on why there would be a 'no-daemons' recommendation? i thought it was a curious request.
[21:57] <nathwill> bkerensa, i look forward to visiting, it seems to be a popular destination
[22:03] <slangasek> nathwill: sure, because there are lots of security concerns and lots of other policy requirements around integration of startup scripts, so all other things being equal a daemon is not the best place to start
[22:04] <nathwill> slangasek, ok. that seems a sensible comment then. thanks.
[23:38] <nathwill> omfg. i never thought i'd say it, but i miss freebsd
[23:38] <c_smith> nathwill, why?
[23:38] <nathwill> c_smith, rhel migration is going poorly :(
[23:39] <c_smith> one thing I never got is the unholy war between BSD and Linux.
[23:39] <c_smith> nathwill, ah, makes sense.
[23:39] <c_smith> *holy war.
[23:39] <c_smith> not unholy.....
[23:40] <nathwill> lol
[23:41] <nathwill> they compete in the same space, competition's healthy :)
[23:41] <c_smith> ah, I see.
[23:41] <c_smith> but a lot of people turn it into some holy war.