[01:00] night folks. off to find some blackberries for pickin' [02:28] tgm4883: you mean that ppa thats no longer maintained? [02:45] blkperl, no, in the official repos [02:45] its old [06:03] tgm4883: Maybe whoever maintained it got busy? [06:04] Im sure they would sponsor a upload if you wanna update the package :) [06:44] you could switch to chrome if you just want an easy fix [14:06] bkerensa, I'm just wondering why we don't/can't do syncs from debian for it? [14:06] since debian has more recent versions [16:18] tgm4883, you're referring to chromium still? [16:19] nathwill, yes [16:19] nathwill, well, chromium-browser [16:19] right [16:20] Morning all [16:20] so i think part of the issue with chromium has been the super-rapid pace of development, that's not really a good fit for the typical software inclusion process [16:20] morning [16:20] nathwill, please see FireFox [16:20] tgm4883, yeah, i totally agree [16:20] just commenting on the reasoning for the current state [16:21] tgm4883, there should really be targeted "high use" applications that have their own delivery channel that you can turn on in the software center ("Prefer current to stable?") [16:22] i'd include ff, chromium, thunderbird, gimp, etc [16:22] nathwill, I agree, although there kinda is now [16:22] extras allows updates to the released version [16:22] hrm [16:23] stuff has to go in /opt [16:23] not sure the other requirements [16:23] yeah that's a terrible place to install things [16:23] but that is what things submitted to developer.ubuntu.com go in [16:23] yep. doesn't mean it's right. [16:24] hmm [16:24] it loosly fits the definitions [16:24] /opt This directory should contain add-on packages that contain static files. [16:25] so aside from the fact that it's superfluous, my major objection to /opt is that it's generally mounted on the same partition as root [16:25] Default partitioning in Ubuntu is the same is it not? [16:25] everything in one partition [16:25] which causes problems. especially when we're pushing big (gigs) commercial apps down [16:25] I don't recall if /home is a different partition [19:05] tgm4883: I see [19:12] nathwill: My fiancee is going to kill me soon if I don't offload this server :) any chance on Thursday you might want to hold onto it for a bit? [19:12] :D [19:12] imho if we don't hear back from PSU soon perhaps it might be best to consider Plan B [19:14] sure thing bkerensa, let's meet up for lunch/dinner on thursday? [19:14] and we can do the swap then [19:14] then i can load the hard drives and get the base installed [19:14] nathwill: uhh the debian beering? [19:14] :) [19:15] Maybe you can swing by and I can put it in your trunk and we can go to the beering? [19:15] slangasek: that is still going on thursday right? [19:19] tgm4883: any interest in being a banner keeper? :) [19:20] bkerensa, I could possibly, I don't go to many events that you aren't already at though [19:21] tgm4883: yeah but you are in our second most active city :) so if someone needed the banner you could offload it much easier :) [19:21] true [19:24] oh, even better [19:36] tgm4883: you planning for UDS? [19:36] bkerensa, I've applied for sponsorship [19:37] So I imagine you will go :) [19:37] I can hope :) [19:37] maybe slangasek gets a vote? [19:37] he does [19:37] :) [19:37] Vote for tgm4883! [19:37] All Team Managers do [19:37] :) [19:38] Kernel, Foundations, Security, Desktop, Server/Cloud, Community and then sabdfl [19:38] cool [19:39] The hotel and convention center in copenhagen looks amazing [19:39] yea looks pretty nice [20:15] bkerensa, you know how you asked if my issue with my Iconia Tab was fixable? here's an XDA Dev post about that issue: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1845699 so essentially, I was fishing with dynamite. [21:31] nathwill: I have a interview with PuppetLabs Thursday [21:31] ;) [21:32] bkerensa, good luck! [21:33] nathwill: I know right :P its with a VP even ;p [21:35] the guy we met at the release party? [21:38] nathwill: nah that "was" their Community Manager [21:38] ;) [21:38] Guess what job I applied for? [21:38] ;) [21:38] hey slangasek, any insight on the debian perl policy saying "no daemons" ? [21:38] "Community Manager" ;) [21:38] rofl [21:38] lol [21:38] i see [21:39] nathwill: I don't see anything like that in the perl policy I have here? [21:41] k, i'll see if i can find it again. was reading through it last night at home (diff pc) [21:53] slangasek: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/first.en.html#choose my mistake, this section is not specific to perl [21:53] it just says "don't package daemons", which is even cooler [21:54] nor is it part of Policy [21:54] it's just a set of recommendations for getting started on contributing to Debian [21:56] gotcha [21:57] nathwill: Lucky Lab has a Taster for $8.50 its great [21:57] slangasek, you have any intuition on why there would be a 'no-daemons' recommendation? i thought it was a curious request. [21:57] bkerensa, i look forward to visiting, it seems to be a popular destination [22:03] nathwill: sure, because there are lots of security concerns and lots of other policy requirements around integration of startup scripts, so all other things being equal a daemon is not the best place to start [22:04] slangasek, ok. that seems a sensible comment then. thanks. [23:38] omfg. i never thought i'd say it, but i miss freebsd [23:38] nathwill, why? [23:38] c_smith, rhel migration is going poorly :( [23:39] one thing I never got is the unholy war between BSD and Linux. [23:39] nathwill, ah, makes sense. [23:39] *holy war. [23:39] not unholy..... [23:40] lol [23:41] they compete in the same space, competition's healthy :) [23:41] ah, I see. [23:41] but a lot of people turn it into some holy war.