[01:31] <ailo> len-dt: Wow. Wonder how that changes the install procedure then
[01:32] <ailo> len-dt: I'll add a non-recommend to use that with the Ubuntu Studio image
[01:32] <ailo> unetbootin works a lot better
[01:34] <ailo> Well, at least it works :)
[01:37] <ailo> I see there is a bug report
[01:37] <ailo> Maybe I should look more into this. I'll try creating a usb stick on Windows, using unetbootin to see if that makes a difference
[04:08] <len-dt> ailo, I wonder. On Linux it is not called done until it has successfully dismounted the device. I wonder if in windows most of the stuff is still in memory buffers when the usb stick was pulled out.
[04:09] <len-dt> The same user also said it took "longer" when he created one on Linux and longer to install.
[04:40] <len-dt> ailo, re. web content... should we be saying/advertising that US has libav rather than ffmpeg?
[04:41] <len-dt> (on the video page)
[04:41] <len-dt> (see thread on #ubuntustudio)
[06:05] <ailo> len-dt: I have no idea about those things :). But, if you have a recommendation for what to change on the site, I can make the changes
[06:06] <len-dt> It seems that ffmpeg is just a link to avconv
[06:07] <len-dt> Hmm no it isn't.
[06:08] <ailo> len-dt: After a quick check, avconv is a part of libav-tools
[06:08] <len-dt> but when you run ffmpeg there is a message: *** THIS PROGRAM IS DEPRECATED ***
[06:08] <len-dt> This program is only provided for compatibility and will be removed in a future release. Please use avconv instead.
[06:09] <ailo> len-dt: ffmpeg installs libav-tools, so I think it's right
[06:10] <ailo> Well, gotta go. I'll try to set up a small devel env at my "work" place. Seems I will have the opportunity to work from there
[06:28] <ailo> I think for the touch screen setup, it might be enough to point to community docs
[06:29] <ailo> Anyway, not supposed to be here already
[12:32] <smartboyhw> Anyone have comments on the e-mail that I just sent?
[12:33] <knome> i imagine they will reply over email
[12:34] <smartboyhw> knome: OK
[13:05] <smartboyhw> I forgotten: Who's working on the release notes of 12.04.1? Just a question:)
[13:17] <knome> for ubuntu studio, i don't know
[13:19] <smartboyhw> Wait, I'm checking the meeting log
[13:19] <smartboyhw> It's stochastic to write a changelog between 12.04 and 12.04.1...
[13:20] <smartboyhw> BTW, if anyone is here, what has submerged after we talked about a graphics and publishing sub-commitee in the meeting a week ago?:)
[13:39] <smartboyhw> Another thing: Could someone add http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=335 ( Ubuntu Studio forum) to http://ubuntustudio.org/support/ (Support on website)
[13:41] <knome> done
[13:41] <smartboyhw> Thanks, knome:)
[14:03] <smartboyhw> astraljava: Any updates on the kernel refresh? I don't think it is a good idea to do so, since that we only have 2 days till release. So I don't recommend to refresh the kernel. That's my view, at least
[14:07] <astraljava> smartboyhw: Ask Scott when he's around, he's been in touch with the relevant kernel people.
[14:07] <smartboyhw> OK
[14:07] <holstein> question is, when do you guys think we can stop with the kernel?
[14:07] <smartboyhw> holstein: What do you mean?
[14:07] <holstein> i would like to always be testing the *-generic kernel
[14:08] <holstein> it would be nice to just have the one kernel developed for us
[14:08] <smartboyhw> Linux kernels always evolve...:)
[14:08] <smartboyhw> Hmm........ I actually like *-generic more then *-lowlatency
[14:08] <holstein> i know, when i was "lobbying" for the lowlatency kernel, i had hoped for it to be more of a temporary bandaid
[14:10] <holstein> smartboyhw: it was not giving RT priority, and it was considerer, through actual testing and reporting, that the lowlatency one was important and necessary and wouldnt break anything for anyone else
[14:11] <smartboyhw> holstein: Then... I am starting not to understand about it...Maybe let's wait for scott-work to appear:)
[14:11] <holstein> smartboyhw: this is more of a question
[14:11] <holstein> not a statement, or call to action
[14:11] <smartboyhw> OK, so what do we like?
[14:12] <smartboyhw> lowlatency or generic? 
[14:12] <holstein> im wondering if anyone is testing the mainline kernel? or noticing if there is RT privs
[14:12] <holstein> not so much "what do you like?"
[14:12] <astraljava> Hmm... I was not aware for it to become just temporary, but then I haven't done exhaustive audio testing to verify the reason of its existence. If -generic performs well enough for most, I suppose it can be dropped. Whether there's a chance it'll happen anytime soon, I cannot tell.
[14:12] <holstein> its more like, does the generic do the job.. when it does, i think its safe to stop with the lowlatency
[14:12] <holstein> i should say *if* it does
[14:12] <smartboyhw> I think ailo got len-dt to test a 3.5.1-lowlatency i386 kernel
[14:13] <astraljava> ailo has done most of such testing, I suppose. Chat him up when both of you happen to be around at the same time. :)
[14:13] <holstein> astraljava: i know thats why debian is not doing one officially
[14:13] <holstein> yeah, ailo would have good first hand experience
[14:13] <astraljava> Yeah. Someone's doing the -rt unofficially there, or at least every once in a while. But I know not more of it.
[14:13] <smartboyhw> Let's wait for him
[14:14] <holstein> well, its not like we need to wait.. if you want to see, try a generic mainline kernel.. fire up JACK, and look in the messages for something like "realtime is not happening"
[14:14] <holstein> i havent done that since pre 12.04 release
[14:15] <holstein> i wanted to make sure that the LTS had a relavent kernel... now my motivation would be so that when we (meaning scott and others) dont need to be working on the kernel, we dont have to
[14:17] <astraljava> holstein: He's already done some 3.5.1 testing, that's on gitorious. I seem to recall he saying not being happy about -generic, but that might be bollocks, and I'm too lazy to double-check the logs. :D
[14:17] <holstein> astraljava: last time i asked, it was still a no-go
[14:18] <smartboyhw_w8> Hmm
[14:18] <holstein> and the word is, it might not ever "do the trick"
[14:18] <astraljava> I don't suppose it has changed since.
[14:18] <smartboyhw_w8> :)
[14:18] <astraljava> 'k, /me -> homebound
[14:26] <smartboyhw> holstein: You'd better ask len-dt now
[15:26] <holstein> smartboyhw: asking Len-nb what?
[15:26] <smartboyhw> About the kernel? He's been testing it for ailo
[15:26] <holstein> OH.. well it was more of a general shout out
[15:26] <holstein> i would like some folks to be testing the mainline generic kernels
[15:26] <smartboyhw> ok
[15:27] <holstein> when they support RT, theres no need for the lowlatency kernel
[15:27] <holstein> then, we can talk about dropping it or whatever
[15:27] <holstein> that day may never come though
[15:27] <smartboyhw> holstein: Hopefully it will
[15:28] <holstein> upstream already implied that it was happening... several years ago
[16:00] <smartboyhw> astraljava: It is possible to upgrade from 12.04 to 12.10. Add it back to the ISO QA Tracker for Quantal Builds:)
[16:16] <smartboyhw> Bye for now anyway:)
[17:47] <ailo> Are language files in Xubuntu much different from those in Ubuntu?
[17:47] <ailo> Ah, I guess installation language may be a bit custom
[17:47] <ailo> I mean, the text during installation
[17:48] <knome> yes, it's definitely different :)
[17:48] <knome> especially the slideshow.
[17:51] <ailo> knome: There was a bug about the Ubuntu Studio installer menu #1039339. The guy has offered to help with translation, but I have no idea where the files are. I was thinking maybe you would know
[17:54] <ailo> A lot of languages to choose from btw. I guess only a few lines are custom?
[17:56] <ailo> knome: Oh, but this one? bug #1039216
[17:56] <knome> i believe the menu is created from .desktop files
[17:57] <knome> it should be the same during installation and when installed
[17:57] <ailo> knome: This is only the boot menu for the installer medium
[17:58] <knome> hmm, the debian-cd boot menu?
[17:58] <ailo> The first thing you see, when booting the DVD
[17:58] <knome> does that even exist anymore.. ;)
[17:58] <knome> i suppose that's debian-cd
[18:01] <ailo> I guess the first line is the only new one, since US went live
[18:02] <ailo> The other line is created by the program USB-Installer, so not our problem
[18:02] <ailo> I'm thinking of "Install Ubuntu Studio to HDD"
[18:04] <knome> as long as it affects you, it's your problem too :]
[18:05] <ailo> I added a non-recommend to the download page
[18:05] <ailo> It doesn't create a full installation media. Some things are missing
[19:34] <Len-nb> ailo, speaking of missing.... A lot of the application help files come in a package called ubuntu-docs. Like help for nautilus for example.
[19:34] <Len-nb> We don't ship this file.
[19:35] <Len-nb> s/file/package
[19:35] <Len-nb> The problem is it also has the docs for a lot of stuff we don't have, like unity.
[19:36] <Len-nb> I am wondering if this would be confusing for the user.
[20:34] <ailo> Len-nb: I guess optimally, Ubuntu Studio would require its' own docs, since if I understand correctly, those docs are for the distro in general, not individual applications
[20:34] <knome> ^ that's what xubuntu is doing.
[20:35] <knome> we're currently doing a docs rewrite, and we're pointing to other docs as much as possible/sensible
[20:35] <knome> eg. it's not at all necessary for us to maintain firefox documentation
[20:36] <ailo> I assume there is a XFCE based documentation for just the desktop system. If Ubuntu Studio would use standard XFCE setup, at least there would be easily inheritable docs for the those applications. Then there are some Ubuntu speficic stuff, but I don't know how much of that is really relevant. Pulseaudio, perhaps
[20:37] <ailo> Using Nautilus and such, which are Gnome applications, make things a bit harder.
[20:37] <ailo> If it is felt important to have documents for those
[20:38] <ailo> knome: Sounds like a smart approach