[00:04] Hello [00:04] someone around? [00:04] need help please [00:04] ask a question [00:05] ok [00:05] i have installed xubuntu 12.04 [00:05] but ati mobility radeon x700 is not acclerating [00:05] been trying for long but none [00:05] is that quite an old card? [00:05] need help [00:06] its pci express [00:06] 256mb [00:06] its ok for me [00:06] xubuntu388, please don't enter after just one or two words. it's impossible to read [00:06] ok [00:07] check in additional drivers for one to install [00:08] i've tryed fglrx [00:08] and original from ati too... [00:10] So, anything to try? [00:11] to accomplish what, exactly [00:12] to install drivers that can recognize and do acceleration 3d [00:13] xubuntu388: if the proprietary ones dont, there might not be suport for your card. either there hasnt been, or its been dropped [00:14] i'heard about nomodeset [00:14] how can i choose it? [00:14] xubuntu388: nomodeset would be "safe graphics mode" [00:15] how can i apply it? [00:15] xubuntu388: you can get to that in a live CD by tapping shift, and using the F6 option at the bottom... that will bascially force the vesa driver AFAIK [00:15] xubuntu388: that will *not* support 3d [00:15] but for installed xubuntu?? [00:16] hmm i see [00:16] what xubuntu version supports my ati car? [00:17] xubuntu388, I googled your card quickly, ATi have dropped support for that long ago it seems [00:17] last catalyst where 9.3 [00:17] thats a very old card.. i would look at some older ati drivers [00:18] xubuntu388: bazhang asked if you tried "additional drivers" and i have not seen a clear answer to that (system>hardware drivers or system>additional drivers) [00:18] mm i tryed from ati repositories [00:19] and from synatics too about fglrx [00:19] xubuntu388: its going to be *old*... nothing automatic will support your device [00:19] hmm i see [00:20] so, what about downloading catalist 9.3? [00:20] xubuntu388: see what system>hardware drivers says [00:20] How can i do it, please? [00:20] xubuntu388, click System, then Hardware Drivers [00:21] hit the menu, settings, additional drivers [00:24] xubuntu388, found it? [00:25] (yes, sorry, menus are different in xubuntu 10.04 and 12.04) [00:27] i guess he didn't find it :p [00:31] ,first thing to do [00:31] ,drivers [00:32] !first thing to do [00:32] David-A: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [00:32] !drivers [00:32] !codecs [00:32] For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/musicvideophotos/C/video.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats [00:33] !hardware drivers [00:33] David-A, /msg ubottu [00:34] will that ask it or learn it? [00:35] /msg ubottu etc etc [00:37] http://ubottu.com/devel/wiki/Plugins#Encyclopedia Usage info with ubottu facts. [00:41] thanks, good info, but dosn't say what /msg ubottu etc etc does [00:42] avoids the channel being cluttered with tries to find the correct trigger, for one David-A [00:42] !search driver [00:42] Found: binarydriver, reiserfs, binarydrivershowto, ntfs-3g, gatos, vesa, binarydriver-#ubuntu+1*, bcm43xx, ext3, tv and 18 more, see http://ubottu.com/factoids.cgi?search=driver [00:42] ... [00:42] David-A, PLEASE do that in /msg with the bot. [00:42] ok [01:16] how can i downgrade the grub version? [01:17] it is on the 3....24 [01:17] ines: i would open whatever package manager your are comfortable with and downgrade, or force an earlier version [01:17] and i need the 3....12 [01:17] i find it easy to find in the synaptic menu [01:17] synaptic [01:17] ok [01:18] there's a specific name [01:20] ines, you want to use an old "kernel" in the grub stage you have an option called "previous linux versions" there you have all the kernels that are still available to load [01:21] i used it, but when i reboot the laptop, the issue is still there [01:21] GridCube: good call! ...i was wondering about those version numbers [01:22] i mean, every time i reboot it, the 3....24 load again [01:23] !grub | ines [01:23] ines: GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager since 9.10 (Karmic). Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 - See !grub1 for releases before Karmic (9.10) [01:23] i find reviewing that helpful.. i usually customize something about grub right after install [01:23] i made a sudo dist-upgrade [01:24] so my kernel version was 3.12 [01:24] and now it is 3.24 [01:24] sure.. whats the issue ines ? [01:24] you dont need to downgrade grub... [01:24] and every time i start my laptop, the mouse does not move at all [01:25] when i made the dist-upgrade, the energy went on [01:25] then i made a dpkg --configure -a [01:25] so, the earlier kernel works better? [01:26] no [01:26] i would consider going into a package manager and just removing the kenrel that is not working for you [01:26] the older worked better [01:26] or, just boot the earlier one from the grub menu [01:32] sorry im back again [01:33] how can do it ? to remove the kernel [01:33] ines: i would open the package manager of your choice, and search for it.. i usually open synaptic and search "linux" [01:33] which one, the headder [01:33] or the image [01:33] both [01:34] ok [01:34] ines: if it were me, i would remove all associated with the kernel version # i dont want to be using [01:35] "if it were me, i would remove all associated with the kernel version" what do you mean, what kind of thing for example [01:35] and should i remove or complete remove [01:36] ines: either should be fine for kernels, and neither should cause a problem [01:37] ok [01:40] im gonna reboot [01:54] nothing, i reboot the laptop, and the version 3.24 loaded again [01:58] ines: yup... "it" will.. you'll need to do one of a few option... you can specify at boot time which kernel you would like to boot [01:58] you can also remove the newer kernel that is not working, or change which kernel grub boots by default [01:59] the original of xubuntu 11.10, the 3.12 version [01:59] i would review the wiki pages... you'll want to run "update-grub" likely [01:59] and it is installed [01:59] but i rebooted, and the 3.24 loaded again [02:00] ines: you'll need to choose how you would like to specify what kernel to boot [02:00] "you'll want to run "update-grub" likely" how [02:00] ? [02:01] ines: you can read about that in the wiki page i linked iearly [02:01] !grub | ines [02:01] ines: GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager since 9.10 (Karmic). Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 - See !grub1 for releases before Karmic (9.10) [02:01] you can open a terminal and run "sudo update-grub" [02:01] i just installed the 3.19 version from synaptic [02:01] ok [02:01] i will [02:01] ines: cool.. but we were talking about you removing a kernel, not installing one [02:02] well i taught installing one, will figure out the problem [02:02] well, im gonna update the grup [02:03] sorry kernel [02:04] ok [02:04] is it ready? [02:04] ines: ? [02:05] just typing update-grub [02:05] ines: sudo update-grub [02:05] ready [02:05] reboot? [02:06] ines: you dont need to reboot for that to "work".. you'll likely just want to check and see that the settings are as you expect and want them to be at boot [02:06] im instaling linux xubuntu 12.04 [02:07] what shall i do for begin? [02:07] im new linux user [02:07] krelac: just run it live, or install, and start using it.. ask if you have any questions [02:07] http://pastebin.com/UV9UHBuD [02:08] right [02:08] is that im gonna reboot [02:08] this laptop, is not mine [02:08] so [02:09] i need to be sure that it is gonna work [02:09] did you see the pastebin? [02:14] first of all i wanna know what can i do whit linux as beginer [02:14] and all what linux can do [02:18] krelac: i would just start using it... xubuntu is quite full featured and you can likely do anything you need with it [02:18] krelac, :D theres a whole internet out there to help you, i recommend going to the wikis and start reading [02:18] :D [02:18] krelac: This might take a while. With Linux you can surf the web, write a novel, get email, do your finances, listen to classical music (or any type you like), chat with friends on various channels, watch videos and movies, keep track of local weather, schedule appointments, connect to bluetooth devices . . . [02:19] krelac, the sky is the fronteir [02:19] Oh, and best of all, AVOID VIRUSES [02:19] if you are not silly enough and get cheated to use sudo on a harmful program, that can happen [02:20] OK, I'll admit that I DID make a presumption I probably shouldn't have. But really, would a n00bie know how to use sudo? [02:21] a noobie probably shouldn't need to use sudo at all unless something is broke [02:24] tyche, a n00b will probably do whatever someone says to them, if a troll is nearby that could end tragically [02:24] a lot of noobs tend to run everything under sudo regardless of whether htey need to, too [02:24] True. That's why it's good to have people that know what NOT to do. [02:25] That one I hadn't seen. [02:25] !ot | everyone, and that includes you GridCube [02:25] everyone, and that includes you GridCube: #xubuntu is the Xubuntu support channel, #xubuntu-devel for discussion regarding development of Xubuntu, and #xubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome! [03:14] Hello [03:14] what do I need to re-add to my panel to mke it show what applications are open... [03:14] I managed to lose that. [03:15] so now I am using ALT-TAB as a workaround. [03:17] slinkeey: you can alway just add things back til you find it... or look at the live CD and see, or make a new user, or look in the guest account and check... i would look for "application list" ? something like that [03:18] ok [03:18] good idea [03:18] I will add a new user [03:18] and look at what is added [03:20] brb [03:23] I have a usb floppy disk driv plugged in and I can't tell if it's just no mounting the disk, or not recognizing the drive [03:24] excuse the bad typing [03:31] floppy? [03:34] Murtaugh: `tail -f /var/log/messages` before plugging it in, and then you'll see the relevant lines appearing when it is connected. [03:35] GridCube: I have some plc programs on floppy disks [03:36] !floppy [03:36] To mount floppy disks, see here : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MakeFloppyDriveAvailableToEveryone [03:37] astraljava: no suck file or directory [03:38] *such [03:38] grr [03:39] Murtaugh: Sorry, it's moved to /var/log/dmesg nowadays. [03:41] I didn't see any changes after connecting the drive [03:43] ubottu: my fstab doesn't have the top line, and i can't tell if the drive is even being recognized [03:43] Murtaugh: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :) [03:43] ohh [03:43] derp [03:51] Murtaugh, im pretty sure that ubuntu droped kernel support for floppies a few years ago [03:52] is there a package I need to install? >_< [03:53] i dont really know [03:53] xp doesn't like not having control over the mbr, so I can't get it to boot and try in there [03:54] the ##windows folks just chew me out for using grub instead of veing helpfull [03:58] o: dont say, that come as news to me [03:58] /sarcasm [03:58] Murtaugh, on a tty do sudo update-grub [03:58] and grub should add an entry for xp [03:59] it has an xp entry, but xp halts as soon as it boots, saying a dll is missing [04:00] oh, thats not mbr fault then [04:01] hal.dll === usa_today[cloud] is now known as usa_today [05:13] does anybody know what package the "slimline" theme from karmic is in? [05:15] I'm not a fan of any of the themes installed by default :T [05:34] Hy.Does anyone know how to customize action buttons ? I want to use my own custom icons for reboot/logout action. Thank You [05:57] fXsTar: create a launcher with commands :) [05:58] for example: "xfce4-session-logout --halt" for shutdown etc. [05:58] possible commands are here: http://linux.die.net/man/1/xfce4-session-logout [06:24] so, I want to use subpixel hinting, but I'm using two minitors and each has different layout of the subpixel, is there anything I can do about it? [06:26] was asked from my other client, but naybody know of a package with a theme similar to slimline from karmic? [06:26] *anybody [06:46] has anyone used anyremote? I want to use my phone as a bluetooth remote to control vlc.. [06:51] I'm not in love with anyremote or anything, any bluetooth remote software that works is good to me.. unless it is strictly for kde or something nasty.. keep in mind I am searching myself right now. I'm not one of those "hey, this won't work out of the box, make it go irc" people. [06:57] dystopiandrift: what kind of phone do you have [06:57] because [06:58] if it's an android phone and you have a wifi network, there's a bunch of very nice vlc remote apps out there which communicate with the http-interface of vlc [06:58] works like a charm and even my girlfriend uses it :) [06:59] ah, yes. I know. Thank you.. But I have an older feature phone Sonim made it. ;) [06:59] so I need something with a j2me client [07:00] android makes everything to easy. ;p [07:01] I guess I could punch a hole in my network and connect to vlc's http-interface through gprs.. but that seems like a waste of electrons. [07:02] ..sending radio waves to the cell tower down the street to tell my computer to do sutff.. you know? [07:03] it's the geek way of using technology [07:03] i'm planning to set up a vpn service at home so i don't have to use the crappy wifi on my phone to do such stuff [07:04] it loses connectivity every 5 minutes or so [07:04] gnarly. why? [07:05] i don't know [07:05] maybe buying a 130 euro smartphone wasn't the best idea i [07:05] i've ever had [07:05] demons? gremlins? politicians? [07:05] it's a little broken by default [07:05] 128MB of RAM is not enough for anything [07:06] didn't bill gates say something like '128k of ram is all you will ever need"? [07:06] 128mb of ram will run DSL quite well [07:07] or open-wrt ;p [07:10] so, no suggestions for a j2me based bluetooth remote solution? when I started looking around I figured there would be a dozen or so options.. I guess smartphones came along to quickly and smashed all the j2me dev's plans.. [07:27] see you all some other time. [12:23] I want to exit Xubuntu and enter X/twm. Is this achievable via the command line? [12:30] freshmeat, if you've installed twm, then you should have an option at the login screen to select the TWM session. [12:31] ToZ, my machine freezes when I choose to start a TWM session for some reason. [12:31] freshmeat, explain "freezes"? [12:32] ToZ, in the sense that there is no progress. [12:33] if you select the twm session, do you login and see a background? [12:33] No. [12:33] does the login screen disappear? [12:34] Yes [12:34] if you left-click, do you get a menu? [12:35] Just a moment. [12:35] I'll be back. [12:37] Silly me. It does work. I didn't left-click. === `mOOse` is now known as m00se [12:37] its probably just that nothing is loaded. [12:38] I'm under a TWM session right now. [12:39] when i changed from a USB keyboard to a PS2 keyboard, I get an error saying that Ubuntu is running in low graphics mode... this behavior disappears as soon as I reboot with the USB keyboard plugged back in... what can i do about this? [12:41] I see that menus look similar under TWM as they do under Xubuntu. [12:41] Do they both use a common widget layer that sits on top of X? [12:44] freshmeat, sorry, don't know. [12:46] Alright. [12:49] I want to quit to console mode. [12:56] i know :D [12:56] but no need to tell :D [12:57] hmm, something light? [13:40] hi [13:40] I have to send a huge error. where should I paste it? [13:40] here or somewhere else? [13:41] use pastebin.com [13:41] !pastebin [13:41] For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://imagebin.org/?page=add | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic. [13:41] thanks [13:41] oh [13:41] it is blocked in Iran [13:41] any other place? [13:42] paste.ubuntu.com is? [13:43] no [13:43] stand by [13:44] http://paste.ubuntu.com/1159042/ [13:47] what areyou trying to achieve and what have you done before you encountered this error? [13:48] metals, maybe try running 'sudo apt-get clean' and retrying [13:51] when i changed from a USB keyboard to a PS2 keyboard, I get an error saying that Ubuntu is running in low graphics mode... this behavior disappears as soon as I reboot with the USB keyboard plugged back in... what can i do about this? [13:52] ping [13:53] !hi [13:53] Hi!, Welcome to #xubuntu! Feel free to ask questions and help people out. The channel guidelines are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines. Enjoy your stay! [13:53] hi [13:55] knome: I was updating [13:56] the regular update [14:01] Will Xubuntu install ok on an ASUS EeePC 901 ? [14:01] ska: should be no problem.. try it live and see :) [14:02] you may also want to check the forums and wiki [14:02] ok.. I'll just make a USB installer. [14:02] i have lubuntu running on an old 900 with no issues other than the obvious... i have realistic expectations [14:03] Can I use the standard Ubuntu usb-disc-creator tool to burn the USB? [14:04] sure, i do use unetbootin tho [14:04] Ok, ill check if that is on my system [14:04] * holstein +1 ^^ [14:04] ska, you download it free from the internet or install it [14:05] GridCube: its in my packages.. [14:05] yep, an old version, the internets one is newer === `mOOse` is now known as m00se [14:06] the old version works pretty well tho, if you already have the iso's [14:09] GridCube: should I unetbootin to install on a 2nd machine to a usb-drive? [14:09] Or does it go onto the target system directly? [14:10] it just creates a livecd [14:10] or liveusb [14:10] ok. [14:14] For some reason unetbootin wants to reboot my server system [14:15] yeah, it say that when finished, just close it. stupid option imho [14:16] ok, first time around it didn't copy.. now it is copying lots. [14:23] holstein: I cant seem to get it to boot. I get a 10 count, but it keeps re-setting to 0 [14:37] ska, the program failed to load the image [14:37] try again [14:37] I'm trying again with usb-creator [14:37] :) [14:38] ska: i format before trying [14:38] Sometimes there is a chicken-n-egg disconnect with the device labels internally .. [14:43] holstein: how can I format /dev/sdd on commandline? [14:44] fdisk? [14:44] mkfs [14:44] use vfat? [14:45] mkfs.vfat [14:45] ska: i use gparted [14:45] holstein: on the command line? [14:46] TheSheep: AFAIK, gparted is not available for the command line [14:46] holstein: then why would you recommend it for a command line tool? [14:47] i use gparted for formatting... its a GUI that could be more comfortable for someone who might ask 'how do i format from the command line?" [14:48] TheSheep: i'll try and be more clear in the future.. i was not aware that my statement would be interpreted that way [14:48] I'm ok,, done it many time, but rusty.. [14:50] maybe i need to wipe the boot sector off of the usb stick too. [14:50] I keep getting the same unetboot interface. [14:51] ska: when trying to boot the USB stick? [14:51] yea. [14:52] ska, check your iso againt the hashs [14:52] I formatted the sdd1 with mkfs.vfat, and now re-installing via usb-creator.. md5sum checks good. [14:53] i use unetbootin... i format the stick, and run unet pointing to the iso i already have downloaded [14:59] I'm re-makeing the entir usb. dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdd etc.. [15:02] hi, how does one disable compiz? [15:02] xubuntu doesn't come with compiz [15:03] Well, I installed it, didn't like it, want to revert, any idea how? [15:03] !compiz | xubuntu648 [15:03] xubuntu648: Compiz (compositing window manager), for a howto see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager and more help #compiz [15:04] what is this Compositor in Window Manager Tweaks? [15:04] xubuntu648 ALT + F2 then run xfwm4 --replace [15:04] then uninstall compiz [15:04] Marzata: xfwm4's compositor [15:04] ah [15:05] thx [15:05] Marzata: xfwm4 does some accelerated things with windows, just not as fancy as compiz [15:06] np :) [15:06] aha [15:06] nice enough for us [15:22] holstein: I had to use another system. Mine didn't seem to format or see the usb correctly [15:25] ska: glad you got it sorted... [15:51] holstein: I had an error installing. I have a running cli system, but the /etc/apt/sources.list only points to the (non-existant) cdrom [15:52] The error happend during the software installation section, and i continued onto "install bootloader" .. [15:52] Should i try to re-install or repair? [15:53] ska: i do not install software there.. i install only... that has "bitten me" a few times, so i dont do it [15:54] not during the install.. no reason not to try repairing though.. i would likely run sudo apt-get update, and sudo apt-get upgrade [15:54] holstein: how do you do it, deselect all options like ssh? [15:54] ska, add the universe apt-repositorie [15:54] holstein: /etc/apt/sources.list is empty excpet for cdrom entry. [15:55] can someone give me a sample sources.list for 12.04 [15:55] yep [15:56] cool.. ty [15:56] ska: i literally just install... maybe you are on the alternate installer.. i usually like to use the live CD installer for desktop machines so i can see the desktop running before install for testing [15:56] ska, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1159245/ [15:56] holstein: yea, I used alternate.. sorry [15:58] ska: no worries.. usually the alternate "just works" regardless of what i choose there, though i used to have issues on some other ubuntu versions [15:58] maybe i should dl the normal installer. How large is standard install? [15:59] My primary disk is only 4gb [15:59] ska: i would try adding what GridCube linked, and update/upgrade first.. that could save some time [16:00] last time i had to fit on 4gb's was 10.04.. and it worked fine back then.. i cannot say xubuntu 12.04 does for sure, but i would think it should fit [16:00] holstein: I want to do that, but I have no scp, ssh, and the screen/keyboard is very tiny.. myabe usb stick [16:00] ska, 4gb for / is more than enough, given that you give it a dedicated /home [16:01] ive tested the 12.04 isos on vboxes of 4gb and it works, i dont know if they will be usable for long but they install [16:01] im running xubuntu daily amd64 live usb with persistant install. there is a kismet package in repo but its 2008 and i want something newer which will be a PPA and i know they arent supported but is there any sites more trusted then others for this stuff? [16:02] en1gma: you could link the PPA and get an opinion.. the source is likely the most trusted [16:02] yea true but for a live cd i dont really want to build it [16:03] ska, i've used 12.04 with 4GB, and it's a tight fit, but you can do it. [16:03] ok i will try and find a good recent amd64 version for quantal [16:03] ska, 4GB for both / and /home, i mean [16:04] im not to worried about trust as this will be just a live cd for wardriving [16:05] wont even really connect to net [16:07] Ok, looks good on source.list.. Should I try "aptitude install x-window-system" or similar? [16:07] ska: i would want to see sudo apt-get update report no errors [16:07] then, i would see if the xubuntu-desktop metapackage is installed and go from there [16:10] ska, sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop [16:10] that should do it [16:11] :P after that you might want to change your apt-location to somewhere near to you because as now it points to argentina if you just copied mine [16:11] ty.. installing 403mb [16:11] oops.. [16:11] good point [16:11] it will work dont worry [16:11] :D [16:11] that sounds hopeful ska [16:11] s/ar/us ? [16:11] i think its just nothing if is for usa [16:12] but i dont know [16:12] you can change it from software sources later [16:14] ok.. its not slow [16:14] just cross-continental traffic [16:14] 600kB/s [16:15] thats faster than i've ever had XD === `mOOse` is now known as m00se [16:30] Any reason why I don't have a working rear speaker jack all of a sudden. It might not have worked yesterday, I'm not sure. I didn't use it. Front jack works fine [16:32] did you updated the kernel craigbass1976 ? [16:33]