[00:04] <xubuntu388> Hello
[00:04] <xubuntu388> someone around?
[00:04] <xubuntu388> need help please
[00:04] <bazhang> ask a question
[00:05] <xubuntu388> ok
[00:05] <xubuntu388> i have installed xubuntu 12.04
[00:05] <xubuntu388> but ati mobility radeon x700 is not acclerating
[00:05] <xubuntu388> been trying for long but none
[00:05] <bazhang> is that quite an old card?
[00:05] <xubuntu388> need help
[00:06] <xubuntu388> its pci express
[00:06] <xubuntu388> 256mb
[00:06] <xubuntu388> its ok for me
[00:06] <bazhang> xubuntu388, please don't enter after just one or two words. it's impossible to read
[00:06] <xubuntu388> ok
[00:07] <bazhang> check in additional drivers for one to install
[00:08] <xubuntu388> i've tryed fglrx
[00:08] <xubuntu388> and original from ati too...
[00:10] <xubuntu388> So, anything to try?
[00:11] <bazhang> to accomplish what, exactly
[00:12] <xubuntu388> to install drivers that can recognize and do acceleration 3d
[00:13] <holstein> xubuntu388: if the proprietary ones dont, there might not be suport for your card. either there hasnt been, or its been dropped
[00:14] <xubuntu388> i'heard about nomodeset
[00:14] <xubuntu388> how can i choose it?
[00:14] <holstein> xubuntu388: nomodeset would be "safe graphics mode"
[00:15] <xubuntu388> how can i apply it?
[00:15] <holstein> xubuntu388: you can get to that in a live CD by tapping shift, and using the F6 option at the bottom... that will bascially force the vesa driver AFAIK
[00:15] <holstein> xubuntu388: that will *not* support 3d
[00:15] <xubuntu388> but for installed xubuntu??
[00:16] <xubuntu388> hmm i see
[00:16] <xubuntu388> what xubuntu version supports my ati car?
[00:17] <B3rz3rk3r> xubuntu388, I googled your card quickly, ATi have dropped support for that long ago it seems
[00:17] <xubuntu388> last catalyst where 9.3
[00:17] <holstein> thats a very old card.. i would look at some older ati drivers
[00:18] <David-A> xubuntu388: bazhang asked if you tried "additional drivers" and i have not seen a clear answer to that (system>hardware drivers or system>additional drivers)
[00:18] <xubuntu388> mm i tryed from ati repositories
[00:19] <xubuntu388> and from synatics too about fglrx
[00:19] <holstein> xubuntu388: its going to be *old*... nothing automatic will support your device
[00:19] <xubuntu388> hmm i see
[00:20] <xubuntu388> so, what about downloading catalist 9.3?
[00:20] <David-A> xubuntu388: see what system>hardware drivers says
[00:20] <xubuntu388> How can i do it, please?
[00:20] <B3rz3rk3r> xubuntu388, click System, then Hardware Drivers
[00:21] <B3rz3rk3r> hit the menu, settings, additional drivers
[00:24] <B3rz3rk3r> xubuntu388, found it?
[00:25] <David-A> (yes, sorry, menus are different in xubuntu 10.04 and 12.04)
[00:27] <B3rz3rk3r> i guess he didn't find it :p
[00:31] <David-A> ,first thing to do
[00:31] <David-A> ,drivers
[00:32] <David-A> !first thing to do
[00:32] <David-A> !drivers
[00:32] <David-A> !codecs
[00:33] <David-A> !hardware drivers
[00:33] <bazhang> David-A, /msg ubottu
[00:34] <David-A> will that ask it or learn it?
[00:35] <bazhang>  /msg ubottu etc etc
[00:37] <Unit193> http://ubottu.com/devel/wiki/Plugins#Encyclopedia  Usage info with ubottu facts.
[00:41] <David-A> thanks, good info, but dosn't say what /msg ubottu etc etc does
[00:42] <bazhang> avoids the channel being cluttered with tries to find the correct trigger, for one David-A
[00:42] <David-A> !search driver
[00:42] <bazhang> ...
[00:42] <bazhang> David-A, PLEASE do that in /msg with the bot.
[00:42] <David-A> ok
[01:16] <ines> how can i downgrade the grub version?
[01:17] <ines> it is on the 3....24
[01:17] <holstein> ines: i would open whatever package manager your are comfortable with and downgrade, or force an earlier version
[01:17] <ines> and i need the 3....12
[01:17] <holstein> i find it easy to find in the synaptic menu
[01:17] <ines> synaptic
[01:17] <ines> ok
[01:18] <ines> there's a specific name
[01:20] <GridCube> ines, you want to use an old "kernel" in the grub stage you have an option called "previous linux versions" there you have all the kernels that are still available to load
[01:21] <ines> i used it, but when i reboot the laptop, the issue is still there
[01:21] <holstein> GridCube: good call! ...i was wondering about those version numbers
[01:22] <ines> i mean, every time i reboot it, the 3....24 load again
[01:23] <holstein> !grub | ines
[01:23] <holstein> i find reviewing that helpful.. i usually customize something about grub right after install
[01:23] <ines> i made a sudo dist-upgrade
[01:24] <ines> so my kernel version was 3.12
[01:24] <ines> and now it is 3.24
[01:24] <holstein> sure.. whats the issue ines ?
[01:24] <holstein> you dont need to downgrade grub...
[01:24] <ines> and every time i start my laptop, the mouse does not move at all
[01:25] <ines> when i made the dist-upgrade, the energy went on
[01:25] <ines> then i made a dpkg --configure -a
[01:25] <holstein> so, the earlier kernel works better?
[01:26] <ines> no
[01:26] <holstein> i would consider going into a package manager and just removing the kenrel that is not working for you
[01:26] <ines> the older worked better
[01:26] <holstein> or, just boot the earlier one from the grub menu
[01:32] <ines> sorry im back again
[01:33] <ines> how can do it ? to remove the kernel
[01:33] <holstein> ines: i would open the package manager of your choice, and search for it.. i usually open synaptic and search "linux"
[01:33] <ines> which one, the headder
[01:33] <ines> or the image
[01:33] <GridCube> both
[01:34] <ines> ok
[01:34] <holstein> ines: if it were me, i would remove all associated with the kernel version # i dont want to be using
[01:35] <ines> "if it were me, i would remove all associated with the kernel version" what do you mean, what kind of thing for example
[01:35] <ines> and should i remove or complete remove
[01:36] <holstein> ines: either should be fine for kernels, and neither should cause a problem
[01:37] <ines> ok
[01:40] <ines> im gonna reboot
[01:54] <ines> nothing, i reboot the laptop, and the version 3.24 loaded again
[01:58] <holstein> ines: yup... "it" will.. you'll need to do one of a few option... you can specify at boot time which kernel you would like to boot
[01:58] <holstein> you can also remove the newer kernel that is not working, or change which kernel grub boots by default
[01:59] <ines> the original of xubuntu 11.10, the 3.12 version
[01:59] <holstein> i would review the wiki pages... you'll want to run "update-grub" likely
[01:59] <ines> and it is installed
[01:59] <ines> but i rebooted, and the 3.24 loaded again
[02:00] <holstein> ines: you'll need to choose how you would like to specify what kernel to boot
[02:00] <ines> "you'll want to run "update-grub" likely" how
[02:00] <ines> ?
[02:01] <holstein> ines: you can read about that in the wiki page i linked iearly
[02:01] <holstein> !grub | ines
[02:01] <holstein> you can open a terminal and run "sudo update-grub"
[02:01] <ines> i just installed the 3.19 version from synaptic
[02:01] <ines> ok
[02:01] <ines> i will
[02:01] <holstein> ines: cool.. but we were talking about you removing a kernel, not installing one
[02:02] <ines> well i taught installing one, will figure out the problem
[02:02] <ines> well, im gonna update the grup
[02:03] <ines> sorry kernel
[02:04] <ines> ok
[02:04] <ines> is it  ready?
[02:04] <holstein> ines: ?
[02:05] <ines> just typing update-grub
[02:05] <holstein> ines: sudo update-grub
[02:05] <ines> ready
[02:05] <ines> reboot?
[02:06] <holstein> ines: you dont need to reboot for that to "work".. you'll likely just want to check and see that the settings are as you expect and want them to be at boot
[02:06] <krelac> im instaling linux xubuntu 12.04
[02:07] <krelac> what shall i do for begin?
[02:07] <krelac> im new linux user
[02:07] <holstein> krelac: just run it live, or install, and start using it.. ask if you have any questions
[02:07] <ines> http://pastebin.com/UV9UHBuD
[02:08] <ines> right
[02:08] <ines> is that im gonna reboot
[02:08] <ines> this laptop, is not mine
[02:08] <ines> so
[02:09] <ines> i need to be sure that it is gonna work
[02:09] <ines> did you see the pastebin?
[02:14] <krelac> first of all i wanna know what can i do whit linux as beginer
[02:14] <krelac> and all what linux can do
[02:18] <holstein> krelac: i would just start using it... xubuntu is quite full featured and you can likely do anything you need with it
[02:18] <GridCube> krelac, :D theres a whole internet out there to help you, i recommend going to the wikis and start reading
[02:18] <GridCube> :D
[02:18] <tyche> krelac: This might take a while.  With Linux you can surf the web, write a novel, get email, do your finances, listen to classical music (or any type you like), chat with friends on various channels, watch videos and movies, keep track of local weather, schedule appointments, connect to bluetooth devices . . .
[02:19] <GridCube> krelac, the sky is the fronteir
[02:19] <tyche> Oh, and best of all, AVOID VIRUSES
[02:19] <GridCube> if you are not silly enough and get cheated to use sudo on a harmful program, that can happen
[02:20] <tyche> OK, I'll admit that I DID make a presumption I probably shouldn't have.  But really, would a n00bie know how to use sudo?
[02:21] <Azelphur> a noobie probably shouldn't need to use sudo at all unless something is broke
[02:24] <GridCube> tyche, a n00b will probably do whatever someone says to them, if a troll is nearby that could end tragically
[02:24] <Azelphur> a lot of noobs tend to run everything under sudo regardless of whether htey need to, too
[02:24] <tyche> True.  That's why it's good to have people that know what NOT to do.
[02:25] <tyche> That one I hadn't seen.
[02:25] <GridCube> !ot | everyone, and that includes you GridCube
[03:14] <slinkeey> Hello
[03:14] <slinkeey> what do I need to re-add to my panel to mke it show what applications are open...
[03:14] <slinkeey> I managed to lose that.
[03:15] <slinkeey> so now I am using ALT-TAB as a workaround.
[03:17] <holstein> slinkeey: you can alway just add things back til you find it... or look at the live CD and see, or make a new user, or look in the guest account and check... i would look for "application list" ? something like that
[03:18] <slinkeey> ok
[03:18] <slinkeey> good idea
[03:18] <slinkeey> I will add a new user
[03:18] <slinkeey> and look at what is added
[03:20] <slinkeey> brb
[03:23] <Murtaugh> I have a usb floppy disk driv plugged in and I can't tell if it's just no mounting the disk, or not recognizing the drive
[03:24] <Murtaugh> excuse the bad typing
[03:31] <GridCube> floppy?
[03:34] <astraljava> Murtaugh: `tail -f /var/log/messages` before plugging it in, and then you'll see the relevant lines appearing when it is connected.
[03:35] <Murtaugh> GridCube: I have some plc programs on floppy disks
[03:36] <GridCube> !floppy
[03:37] <Murtaugh> astraljava: no suck file or directory
[03:38] <Murtaugh> *such
[03:38] <Murtaugh> grr
[03:39] <astraljava> Murtaugh: Sorry, it's moved to /var/log/dmesg nowadays.
[03:41] <Murtaugh> I didn't see any changes after connecting the drive
[03:43] <Murtaugh> ubottu: my fstab doesn't have the top line, and i can't tell if the drive is even being recognized
[03:43] <Murtaugh> ohh
[03:43] <Murtaugh> derp
[03:51] <GridCube> Murtaugh, im pretty sure that ubuntu droped kernel support for floppies a few years ago
[03:52] <Murtaugh> is there a package I need to install? >_<
[03:53] <GridCube> i dont really know
[03:53] <Murtaugh> xp doesn't like not having control over the mbr, so I can't get it to boot and try in there
[03:54] <Murtaugh> the ##windows folks just chew me out for using grub instead of veing helpfull
[03:58] <GridCube> o: dont say, that come as news to me
[03:58] <GridCube> /sarcasm
[03:58] <GridCube> Murtaugh, on a tty do sudo update-grub
[03:58] <GridCube> and grub should add an entry for xp
[03:59] <Murtaugh> it has an xp entry, but xp halts as soon as it boots, saying a dll is missing
[04:00] <GridCube> oh, thats not mbr fault then
[04:01] <Murtaugh> hal.dll
[05:13] <Viva_Nero> does anybody know what package the "slimline" theme from karmic is in?
[05:15] <Viva_Nero> I'm not a fan of any of the themes installed by default :T
[05:34] <fXsTar> Hy.Does anyone know how to customize action buttons ? I want to use my own custom icons for reboot/logout action. Thank You
[05:57] <baizon> fXsTar: create a launcher with commands :)
[05:58] <baizon> for example: "xfce4-session-logout --halt" for shutdown etc.
[05:58] <baizon> possible commands are here: http://linux.die.net/man/1/xfce4-session-logout
[06:24] <TheSheep> so, I want to use subpixel hinting, but I'm using two minitors and each has different layout of the subpixel, is there anything I can do about it?
[06:26] <Murtaugh> was asked from my other client, but naybody know of a package with a theme similar to slimline from karmic?
[06:26] <Murtaugh> *anybody
[06:46] <dystopiandrift> has anyone used anyremote? I want to use my phone as a bluetooth remote to control vlc..
[06:51] <dystopiandrift> I'm not in love with anyremote or anything, any bluetooth remote software that works is good to me.. unless it is strictly for kde or something nasty.. keep in mind I am searching myself right now. I'm not one of those "hey, this won't work out of the box, make it go irc" people.
[06:57] <shpank> dystopiandrift: what kind of phone do you have
[06:57] <shpank> because
[06:58] <shpank> if it's an android phone and you have a wifi network, there's a bunch of very nice vlc remote apps out there which communicate with the http-interface of vlc
[06:58] <shpank> works like a charm and even my girlfriend uses it :)
[06:59] <dystopiandrift> ah, yes. I know. Thank you.. But I have an older feature phone Sonim made it. ;)
[06:59] <dystopiandrift> so I need something with a j2me client
[07:00] <dystopiandrift> android makes everything to easy. ;p
[07:01] <dystopiandrift> I guess I could punch a hole in my network and connect to vlc's http-interface through gprs.. but that seems like a waste of electrons.
[07:02] <dystopiandrift> ..sending radio waves to the cell tower down the street to tell my computer to do sutff.. you know?
[07:03] <shpank> it's the geek way of using technology
[07:03] <shpank> i'm planning to set up a vpn service at home so i don't have to use the crappy wifi on my phone to do such stuff
[07:04] <shpank> it loses connectivity every 5 minutes or so
[07:04] <dystopiandrift> gnarly. why?
[07:05] <shpank> i don't know
[07:05] <shpank> maybe buying a 130 euro smartphone wasn't the best idea i
[07:05] <shpank> i've ever had
[07:05] <dystopiandrift> demons? gremlins? politicians?
[07:05] <shpank> it's a little broken by default
[07:05] <shpank> 128MB of RAM is not enough for anything
[07:06] <dystopiandrift> didn't bill gates say something like '128k of ram is all you will ever need"?
[07:06] <Murtaugh> 128mb of ram will run DSL quite well
[07:07] <dystopiandrift> or open-wrt ;p
[07:10] <dystopiandrift> so, no suggestions for a j2me based bluetooth remote solution? when I started looking around I figured there would be a dozen or so options.. I guess smartphones came along to quickly and smashed all the j2me dev's plans..
[07:27] <dystopiandrift> see you all some other time.
[12:23] <freshmeat> I want to exit Xubuntu and enter X/twm. Is this achievable via the command line?
[12:30] <ToZ> freshmeat, if you've installed twm, then you should have an option at the login screen to select the TWM session.
[12:31] <freshmeat> ToZ, my machine freezes when I choose to start a TWM session for some reason.
[12:31] <ToZ> freshmeat, explain "freezes"?
[12:32] <freshmeat> ToZ, in the sense that there is no progress.
[12:33] <ToZ> if you select the twm session, do you login and see a background?
[12:33] <freshmeat> No.
[12:33] <ToZ> does the login screen disappear?
[12:34] <freshmeat> Yes
[12:34] <ToZ> if you left-click, do you get a menu?
[12:35] <freshmeat> Just a moment.
[12:35] <freshmeat> I'll be back.
[12:37] <freshmeat> Silly me. It does work. I didn't left-click.
[12:37] <ToZ> its probably just that nothing is loaded.
[12:38] <freshmeat> I'm under a TWM session right now.
[12:39] <m1chael> when i changed from a USB keyboard to a PS2 keyboard, I get an error saying that Ubuntu is running in low graphics mode... this behavior disappears as soon as I reboot with the USB keyboard plugged back in... what can i do about this?
[12:41] <freshmeat> I see that menus look similar under TWM as they do under Xubuntu.
[12:41] <freshmeat> Do they both use a common widget layer that sits on top of X?
[12:44] <ToZ> freshmeat, sorry, don't know.
[12:46] <freshmeat> Alright.
[12:49] <freshmeat> I want to quit to console mode.
[12:56] <baizon> i know :D
[12:56] <baizon> but no need to tell :D
[12:57] <aquix> hmm, something light?
[13:40] <metals> hi
[13:40] <metals> I have to send a huge error. where should I paste it?
[13:40] <metals> here or somewhere else?
[13:41] <aquix> use pastebin.com
[13:41] <knome> !pastebin
[13:41] <metals> thanks
[13:41] <metals> oh
[13:41] <metals> it is blocked in Iran
[13:41] <metals> any other place?
[13:42] <knome> paste.ubuntu.com is?
[13:43] <metals> no
[13:43] <metals> stand by
[13:44] <metals> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1159042/
[13:47] <knome> what areyou trying to achieve and what have you done before you encountered this error?
[13:48] <knome> metals, maybe try running 'sudo apt-get clean' and retrying
[13:51] <m1chael> when i changed from a USB keyboard to a PS2 keyboard, I get an error saying that Ubuntu is running in low graphics mode... this behavior disappears as soon as I reboot with the USB keyboard plugged back in... what can i do about this?
[13:52] <xubuntu245> ping
[13:53] <GridCube> !hi
[13:53] <xubuntu245> hi
[13:55] <metals> knome: I was updating
[13:56] <metals> the regular update
[14:01] <ska> Will Xubuntu install ok on an ASUS EeePC 901 ?
[14:01] <holstein> ska: should be no problem.. try it live and see :)
[14:02] <TheSheep> you may also want to check the forums and wiki
[14:02] <ska> ok.. I'll just make a USB installer.
[14:02] <holstein> i have lubuntu running on an old 900 with no issues other than the obvious... i have realistic expectations
[14:03] <ska> Can I use the standard Ubuntu usb-disc-creator tool to burn the USB?
[14:04] <GridCube> sure, i do use unetbootin tho
[14:04] <ska> Ok, ill check if that is on my system
[14:04]  * holstein +1 ^^
[14:04] <GridCube> ska, you download it free from the internet or install it
[14:05] <ska> GridCube: its in my packages..
[14:05] <GridCube> yep, an old version, the internets one is newer
[14:06] <GridCube> the old version works pretty well tho, if you already have the iso's
[14:09] <ska> GridCube: should I unetbootin to install on a 2nd machine to a usb-drive?
[14:09] <ska> Or does it go onto the target system directly?
[14:10] <GridCube> it just creates a livecd
[14:10] <GridCube> or liveusb
[14:10] <ska> ok.
[14:14] <ska> For some reason unetbootin wants to reboot my server system
[14:15] <aquix> yeah, it say that when finished, just close it.    stupid option imho
[14:16] <ska> ok, first time around it didn't copy.. now it is copying lots.
[14:23] <ska> holstein: I cant seem to get it to boot. I get a 10 count, but it keeps re-setting to 0
[14:37] <GridCube> ska, the program failed to load the image
[14:37] <GridCube> try again
[14:37] <ska> I'm trying again with usb-creator
[14:37] <GridCube> :)
[14:38] <holstein> ska: i format before trying
[14:38] <ska> Sometimes there is a chicken-n-egg disconnect with the device labels internally ..
[14:43] <ska> holstein: how can I format /dev/sdd on commandline?
[14:44] <ska> fdisk?
[14:44] <TheSheep> mkfs
[14:44] <ska> use vfat?
[14:45] <TheSheep> mkfs.vfat
[14:45] <holstein> ska: i use gparted
[14:45] <TheSheep> holstein: on the command line?
[14:46] <holstein> TheSheep: AFAIK, gparted is not available for the command line
[14:46] <TheSheep> holstein: then why would you recommend it for a command line tool?
[14:47] <holstein> i use gparted for formatting... its a GUI that could be more comfortable for someone who might ask 'how do i format from the command line?"
[14:48] <holstein> TheSheep: i'll try and be more clear in the future.. i was not aware that my statement would be interpreted that way
[14:48] <ska> I'm ok,, done it many time, but rusty..
[14:50] <ska> maybe i need to wipe the boot sector off of the usb stick too.
[14:50] <ska> I keep getting the same unetboot interface.
[14:51] <holstein> ska: when trying to boot the USB stick?
[14:51] <ska> yea.
[14:52] <GridCube> ska, check your iso againt the hashs
[14:52] <ska> I formatted the sdd1 with mkfs.vfat, and now re-installing via usb-creator.. md5sum checks good.
[14:53] <holstein> i use unetbootin... i format the stick, and run unet pointing to the iso i already have downloaded
[14:59] <ska> I'm re-makeing the entir usb. dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdd etc..
[15:02] <xubuntu648> hi, how does one disable compiz?
[15:02] <TheSheep> xubuntu doesn't come with compiz
[15:03] <xubuntu648> Well, I installed it, didn't like it, want to revert, any idea how?
[15:03] <TheSheep> !compiz | xubuntu648
[15:04] <Marzata> what is this Compositor in Window Manager Tweaks?
[15:04] <aquix> xubuntu648     ALT + F2       then run       xfwm4 --replace
[15:04] <aquix> then uninstall compiz
[15:04] <TheSheep> Marzata: xfwm4's compositor
[15:04] <Marzata> ah
[15:05] <xubuntu648> thx
[15:05] <TheSheep> Marzata: xfwm4 does some accelerated things with windows, just not as fancy as compiz
[15:06] <aquix> np :)
[15:06] <Marzata> aha
[15:06] <Marzata> nice enough for us
[15:22] <ska> holstein: I had to use another system. Mine didn't seem to format or see the usb correctly
[15:25] <holstein> ska: glad you got it sorted...
[15:51] <ska> holstein: I had an error installing. I have a running cli system, but the /etc/apt/sources.list only points to the (non-existant) cdrom
[15:52] <ska> The error happend during the software installation section, and i continued onto "install bootloader" ..
[15:52] <ska> Should i try to re-install or repair?
[15:53] <holstein> ska: i do not install software there.. i install only... that has "bitten me" a few times, so i dont do it
[15:54] <holstein> not during the install.. no reason not to try repairing though.. i would likely run sudo apt-get update, and sudo apt-get upgrade
[15:54] <ska> holstein: how do you do it, deselect all options like ssh?
[15:54] <GridCube> ska, add the universe apt-repositorie
[15:54] <ska> holstein: /etc/apt/sources.list is empty excpet for cdrom entry.
[15:55] <ska> can someone give me a sample sources.list for 12.04
[15:55] <GridCube> yep
[15:56] <ska> cool.. ty
[15:56] <holstein> ska: i literally just install... maybe you are on the alternate installer.. i usually like to use the live CD installer for desktop machines so i can see the desktop running before install for testing
[15:56] <GridCube> ska, http://paste.ubuntu.com/1159245/
[15:56] <ska> holstein: yea, I used alternate.. sorry
[15:58] <holstein> ska: no worries.. usually the alternate "just works" regardless of what i choose there, though i used to have issues on some other ubuntu versions
[15:58] <ska> maybe i should dl the normal installer. How large is standard install?
[15:59] <ska> My primary disk is only 4gb
[15:59] <holstein> ska: i would try adding what GridCube linked, and update/upgrade first.. that could save some time
[16:00] <holstein> last time i had to fit on 4gb's was 10.04.. and it worked fine back then.. i cannot say xubuntu 12.04 does for sure, but i would think it should fit
[16:00] <ska> holstein: I want to do that, but I have no scp, ssh, and the screen/keyboard is very tiny.. myabe usb stick
[16:00] <GridCube> ska, 4gb for / is more than enough, given that you give it a dedicated /home
[16:01] <GridCube> ive tested the 12.04 isos on vboxes of 4gb and it works, i dont know if they will be usable for long but they install
[16:01] <en1gma> im running xubuntu daily amd64 live usb with persistant install. there is a kismet package in repo but its 2008 and i want something newer which will be a PPA and i know they arent supported but is there any sites more trusted then others for this stuff?
[16:02] <holstein> en1gma: you could link the PPA and get an opinion.. the source is likely the most trusted
[16:02] <en1gma> yea true but for a live cd i dont really want to build it
[16:03] <knome> ska, i've used 12.04 with 4GB, and it's a tight fit, but you can do it.
[16:03] <en1gma> ok i will try and find a good recent amd64 version for quantal
[16:03] <knome> ska, 4GB for both / and /home, i mean
[16:04] <en1gma> im not to worried about trust as this will be just a live cd for wardriving
[16:05] <en1gma> wont even really connect to net
[16:07] <ska> Ok, looks good on source.list.. Should I try "aptitude install x-window-system" or similar?
[16:07] <holstein> ska: i would want to see sudo apt-get update report no errors
[16:07] <holstein> then, i would see if the xubuntu-desktop metapackage is installed and go from there
[16:10] <GridCube> ska, sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[16:10] <GridCube> that should do it
[16:11] <GridCube> :P after that you might want to change your apt-location to somewhere near to you because as now it points to argentina if you just copied mine
[16:11] <ska> ty.. installing 403mb
[16:11] <ska> oops..
[16:11] <ska> good point
[16:11] <GridCube> it will work dont worry
[16:11] <GridCube> :D
[16:11] <holstein> that sounds hopeful ska
[16:11] <ska> s/ar/us ?
[16:11] <GridCube> i think its just nothing if is for usa
[16:12] <GridCube> but i dont know
[16:12] <GridCube> you can change it from software sources later
[16:14] <ska> ok.. its not slow
[16:14] <ska> just cross-continental traffic
[16:14] <ska> 600kB/s
[16:15] <GridCube> thats faster than i've ever had XD
[16:30] <craigbass1976> Any reason why I don't have a working rear speaker jack all of a sudden.  It might not have worked yesterday, I'm not sure.  I didn't use it.  Front jack works fine
[16:32] <GridCube> did you updated the kernel craigbass1976 ?
[16:33] <GridCube> im trying to figure out why so many people have lost sound in this last few days >:|
[16:35] <craigbass1976> GridCube, not that I know of, but all I see for pending updates are CUPS related, so maybe.
[16:36] <GridCube> craigbass1976, :/ in the last few days i've seen about 6 persons who have lost their sound all the sudden
[16:36] <craigbass1976> GridCube, from just one jack, or all around?
[16:36] <GridCube> mixed variations
[16:37] <aquix> GridCube all 12.04? and when about did it happen?
[16:37] <GridCube> craigbass1976, try seeing what pavucontrol says about the outputs
[16:37] <craigbass1976> My VU meters are all running, just no sound out the back jack.  Everything is cranked if I fire up alsamixer too.
[16:37] <damien__> any french people here ?
[16:38] <GridCube> aquix, 12.04 and some on other channels with mint updates aswel
[16:38] <GridCube> !fr | damien__
[16:38] <damien__> thanks
[16:38] <craigbass1976> GridCube, what are you wondering about my ouputs?
[16:39] <GridCube> craigbass1976, if the sound you are trying to convey is being send to them
[16:41] <craigbass1976> GridCube, http://static.inky.ws/image/2630/image.jpg
[16:42] <GridCube> mmmhm and the playback is sending sounds to that output?
[16:42] <GridCube> sometimes my pavucontrol decides to send the sound to hdmi for somereason
[16:45] <aquix> craigbass1976 what does it say in the configuration tab?
[16:45] <craigbass1976> analog stereo duplex
[16:46] <aquix> yeah.. thats what I got too
[16:48] <craigbass1976> What sucks is that the cable running from my stereo will not reach the front of the box without a ruckus...
[16:48] <GridCube> craigbass1976, you unpluged it?
[16:49] <aquix> I'm guessing you have looked at alsamixer
[16:49] <craigbass1976> aquix, cranked everywhere
[16:49] <GridCube> maybe its not properly plugged
[16:49]  * GridCube has past that experience before
[16:50] <craigbass1976> You mean inside the computer somewhere?
[16:50] <craigbass1976> I did swap a drive out last night...
[16:51] <aquix> oh
[16:51] <aquix> worth checking :)
[16:52] <craigbass1976> I don't see anything weird.  That would have been too easy
[16:52] <GridCube> craigbass1976, could you do a simple test? could you reboot and choose an older kernel from grub?
[16:53] <GridCube> :U theres another case on #xfce right now and i want to figure out whats going on
[16:53] <craigbass1976> Give me a couple minutes
[16:59] <craigbass1976> I have sound. 3.2.0-27
[16:59] <craigbass1976> 29 was the no sound kernel
[17:00] <craigbass1976> And I'm currently on XFCE 4.8
[17:00] <craigbass1976> GridCube, ^^
[17:00] <GridCube> o:
[17:00] <GridCube> great
[17:00] <GridCube> so there is some kernel issue then
[17:00] <aquix> good to know, brilliant
[17:00] <craigbass1976> Only half of one though.  Remember, the front speaker jack works.  ;)
[17:01] <aquix> what laptop/desktop or soundcard is that?
[17:02] <craigbass1976> Dunno.  It's a dell I got a while ago.  Back when they were preinstalling the first time (Hardy maybe?)
[17:02] <n2diy> I have a webpage that needs adobe flash player, I followed the download link, and I'm presented with a list of available packages, I select apt for ubuntu 10.04, and I'm prompted to select an app. to launch it with. But apt-get isn't listed, where do I find the apt-get launcher?
[17:03] <craigbass1976> aquix, there's lspci: http://pastebin.com/HkaRYuAf
[17:03] <GridCube> craigbass1976, do: lspci | grep "Audio"
[17:03] <GridCube> :P oh
[17:03] <GridCube> you did the whole thing
[17:03] <aquix> or            sudo aplay -l
[17:04] <David-A> n2diy: the normal way to get flash is install package xubuntu-restricted-extras. never download things from the internet
[17:04] <GridCube> n2diy, ? apt-get isnt installed?
[17:04] <GridCube> O_O
[17:04] <n2diy> David-A, restricted extras didn't work, and I removed it.
[17:05] <ska> Im able to get the packages install, and boot. but no screen, no virtual consoles either.
[17:05] <ska> No X.. I can ssh in though.
[17:05] <ska> Maybe I missing a manager.. desktop-display manager of some sort
[17:06] <ska> x-display-manager perhaps?
[17:06] <n2diy> GridCube, I'm sure it is, but how do I launch it from a thunar like window?
[17:06] <GridCube> ska, xubuntu-desktop metapackage should have taken care of that
[17:08] <craigbass1976> NEXT Question:  Why can't I make DOS windows bigger in Vista.  This makes it even MORE painful to fix someone's computer...
[17:08] <David-A> n2diy: did x screens and consols go away when you installed restricted extras? did they re-appear when you uninstalled it? did you uninstall other things too? (see /var/log/apt/history.log)
[17:08] <GridCube> craigbass1976, thats for other channels to ask
[17:09] <GridCube> n2diy, there is no apt-get gui, you use synaptic for that
[17:09] <craigbass1976> Actually, the real question...  Is there a way to defrag from a livecd?  I think there's junk at the end of an ntfs partitiont that's preventing me from shrinking the partition in gparted.  I can't install xubuntu for this guy until I make a new partition
[17:10] <aquix> thanks GridCube. I sometimes help at #linuxmint-help   and have seen sound troubles with Intel soundcards lately. This will help..  :)
[17:11] <n2diy> David-A, no, x is fine. What happened is I had a system working perfectly  with 10.04,, then upgraded to 12.04, and lost the ability to play youtube videos, and pandora internet radio. So last night, I setup my test box as a dual boot system, by installing 10.04 again. Now, I'm trying to get 10.04 working like it used too.
[17:11] <GridCube> there are livecd that allow you to do that yes, but they are of questionable origins, i can not suggest you to google for them
[17:11] <David-A> GridCube,n2diy: (gdebi is a gui for .deb files)
[17:12] <GridCube> David-A, for .deb files yes, but its not a replacement for apt-get, synaptic is
[17:12] <David-A> ok
[17:13] <ska> I get the Xubuntu splash screen, but after that it goes dark.
[17:14] <ska> Xorg: no screens found
[17:14] <n2diy> David-A, After the 10.04 install last night, I installed restricted extras, and nothing changed, so I've removed that, and I'm trying, now, to install the adobe flash plugin, but I don't know how to launch apt-get from a file manager style window.
[17:19] <David-A> n2diy: the restricted extras by dependence installs flashplugininstalled that is a script that installes flash from adobe, the latest i presume, so me think download and install latest from adobe manually wont work either
[17:20] <David-A> n2diy: did restricted extras made something *worse* ? (besides *not* making flash work better)
[17:20] <damien> salut
[17:23] <n2diy> David-A, ok, I'll try the tar.gz file then, thanks.
[17:23] <holstein> for testing purposes, you can install something like chrome with its own flash included..
[17:24] <David-A> n2diy: i'd try restricted extras and check about:config if the browser sees it, then it is installed
[17:24] <holstein> you can also troubleshoot in 12.04 a bit longer.. it could be something quite simple that has been changed or moved
[17:25] <GridCube> ska, try to sudo apt-get install lightdm
[17:25] <David-A> n2diy: if i find evidence a previous version would work better i'd download a big archive with flash players from adobe
[17:25] <David-A> *previous version of flash player
[17:25] <ska> GridCube: ok.. installing
[17:26] <holstein> David-A: you will likely only find evidence that current versions work fine, and it could just be something in your system that might be "fixable"
[17:26] <holstein> or in n2diy 's system rather
[17:26] <ska> GridCube: installed xorg-xxx-fbdev.. ; /etc/init.d/lightdm restart ; now working.
[17:27] <GridCube> :)
[17:30] <n2diy> ok, where should I install the plugin? I don't see a plugin directory in ~/.mozilla/firefox?
[17:33] <David-A> n2diy: to see where it is installed by the package (wouldnt be surprised if still installed): locate libflashplayer.so
[17:34] <n2diy> David-A, nope, locate didn't find it.
[17:35] <David-A> one place is ~/.mozilla/plugins/ (there are places in the system too where the browsers look)
[17:37] <n2diy> David-A, yes, that is where I expected it to go, but the directory doesn't exsist. So, I'm going to create it, and copy the file there, and see what happens? Maybe this is the problem with 12.04 too?
[17:39] <David-A> n2diy: try create it. the path is kind of old but think ff looks there. (me still think you get the same result just installing restricted extras)
[17:40] <knome> not all directories are created by default
[17:40] <knome> you need to be careful with the flash .so though, you should only have it in *one* place
[17:40] <David-A> not all directories are created equal :)
[17:41] <David-A> knome: there may be a problem with different versions in different places. is there a problem with the same plugin in different places?
[17:42] <knome> David-A, i'd make sure you only have it in one place, whatever the versions :)
[17:42] <ska> GridCube: its working.. ty.
[17:42] <GridCube> :D
[17:42] <ska> If I want to run icewm instead of XFCE, do i edit .xinitrc or ?
[17:42] <GridCube> install icewm and choose it instead of xfce on the lightdm user chooser thingy
[17:43] <ska> doh!
[17:43] <ska> thanks again.. my wife will be very happy now with her recipe system.
[17:44] <GridCube> it just took 3 days to install!
[17:44] <GridCube> XD
[17:44] <GridCube> :p
[17:48] <m1chael> when i changed from a USB keyboard to a PS2 keyboard, I get an error saying that Ubuntu is running in low graphics mode... this behavior disappears as soon as I reboot with the USB keyboard plugged back in... what can i do about this?
[17:50] <holstein> m1chael: that is odd.. i would try and isolate that even more, and make sure thats the cause.. mabye try with live CD's to take your install out of the equation.. try with an earlier kernel version
[17:52] <genii-around> ?: Are you using some USB based video like Mimo monitor or so on
[18:05] <n2diy> Ok, the executable for apt-get is in /usr/bin, but selecting it, and then running the install app. doesn't do anything! The permissions are set so anybody can execute it. What a PITA this is. After six years of using Xubunt, I'm now left with a crippled system.
[18:06] <knome> n2diy, i'm not quite sure what you are trying to achieve? apt-get is a command line application, and what is the install application you are talking about?
[18:07] <David-A> n2diy: you are not supposed to run apt-get from thunar (double click a .deb) thats what gdebi is for.
[18:08] <ska> Can someone recommend a light-weight file manager?
[18:08] <ska> thunar takes 20 seconds to load.
[18:09] <baizon> ska: clean cache
[18:09] <baizon> that can help
[18:09] <Unit193> http://xubuntu.org/news/faq-1204-precise/ take a look at point 2.
[18:10] <n2diy> knome, , David-A, intellicast.com wants adobe flash player installed to run it's interactive weather maps. I follow the DL link, and it presents me with four packages to try, yum, tar.gz, rpm or APT for Ubuntu 10.04+. I select APT, and I'm presented with an Xwindow file navigator, NO CLI, I navigate to /usr/bin/apt-get, select open, ok, and nada.
[18:10] <knome> n2diy, have you installed xubuntu-restricted-extras?
[18:11] <Unit193> Much better to install flash from the repo, !partner has adobe-flashplugin
[18:11] <n2diy> knome, yes, that's the first thing I tried, didn't work, so I removed it.
[18:11] <knome> !partner
[18:11] <David-A> n2diy: thats wrong, 1) dont download plugins because a webpage says so 2) apt-get is for CLI, gdebi is for click in thunar, Synaptic for full GUI.
[18:12] <knome> the apt probably means "a .deb file"
[18:13] <n2diy> ok, I'm in synaptic, flashplugin-installer, restricted-extras, both?
[18:14] <n2diy> David-A, knome, ok, I'm in synaptic, flashplugin-installer, restricted-extras, both?
[18:15] <David-A> n2diy: elaborating 1) if you install restricted-extras flash and java should work for webpages, and if a webpage wants something else installed, leave that webpage, its no good. if flash is installed and still not working, the instruction on a flashy webpage wont help.
[18:15] <David-A> n2diy: both or just one, as you wish.
[18:16] <David-A> n2diy: restricted-extras will install flashplugininstaller by dependency.
[18:16] <n2diy> David-A, ok let me try it again, thanks.
[18:17] <David-A> n2diy: restricted-extras also installs java and mp3 decoder whish is good, unless you are religious about closed source
[18:17] <David-A> n2diy: (which you obvisly are not since you want flash)
[18:19] <n2diy> David-A, ok, restricted extras is installing, and bringing along 61 other packages with it, which it didn't do last night!? Sooo, in five minutes or so I'll have something, good, I hope, to report.
[18:21] <GridCube> ska, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunar/+bug/775117
[18:21] <GridCube> see comment 13 ska
[18:27] <drc> ska: However, I've found that Comment 34 the easiest workaround (remove gvfs-backend)...unless of course you need it for some reason.
[19:02] <bugtraq-dev> hola
[19:02] <bugtraq-dev> needs some help
[19:02] <baizon> !ask
[19:03] <bugtraq-dev> ok... alright well I'm working on a dev team on a distro and I want to completely remove the entire boot animation sequence from xubuntu
[19:04] <bugtraq-dev> I can easily remove light-dm, but the intro load animation needs to go and I cannot find where to kill it
[19:18] <bugtraq-dev> will uninstalling plymouth create a typical Command Line boot to login manager?
[19:20] <mongy> removing "splash" from your grub.cfg should.
[19:32] <Murtaugh> How can i get xubuntu to mount a floppy drive?
[19:33] <Murtaugh> I'm assuming it just uses generic drivers, it moutned without installing anything on xp
[19:33] <holstein> Murtaugh: maybe just mount it in XP and drag the contents over to USB
[19:34] <Murtaugh> rebooting every time i need to read a disk isn't an option though...
[19:35] <holstein> Murtaugh: sure.. i just dont have any floppie drives or disks to "learn" on, and i remember it being odd, but sorting it out once
[19:35] <ska> drc: thanks.. Those fixes all worked..
[19:36] <drc> ska: np
[19:36] <ska> Xubuntu successfully tricked out: icewm, wicd, no gnome-networking.
[19:36] <ska> thunar now is quick
[19:37] <Murtaugh> also, is there a package with a theme similar to "slimline" from karmic?
[19:37] <Murtaugh> I'm not a fan of any of the options...
[19:45] <miles> Hey. I have a question about some sharing problems I'm having with my network.. I have one computer with ubuntu and one with xubuntu, when I share folders on the ubuntu comp I can access them from xubuntu but when I share folders via the samba setup utility in xubuntu I can't access them from my ubuntu computer, does anyone recognize this?
[20:16] <recon_lap> miles: have you installed the samba client in the ubuntu machine?
[20:17] <miles> Yes, but I found the problem.
[20:18] <miles> I just had forgot that you have to change the password inside the samba client to access it from another computer.
[20:18] <recon_lap> nearly always security :)
[20:19] <thyem> Could someone help me figure out why my system wont boot on its own?
[20:20] <thyem> I just installed Xubuntu but it just sits at a screen showing only a blinking _ in the top left corner
[20:20] <thyem> Booting with the install media works ( usb stick )
[20:20] <thyem> update-grub didnt help ;-\
[20:20] <recon_lap> thyem: have you removed the usb stick and any cd/dvd ?
[20:21] <thyem> Yes
[20:21] <thyem> That gives me the blinking underscore when trying to boot
[20:21] <thyem> and I didnt have it in when running update-grub
[20:22] <thyem> The wierd thing is it doesnt give me an error, just sits  there blinking the underscore. Holding shift did not get me into the grub CLI
[20:22] <David-A> thyem: how many minutes did you sat there and looked at the blinking cursor until you gave up? i don't remember exactly but there have been cases something with hardware or network takes several minutes.
[20:23] <thyem> Hmm, maybe not long enough. With the USB stick its near instant.  I might have been a bit hasty to reboot. Is it a time out issue of sorts or just bad hardware?
[20:24] <recon_lap> whats the amke/model of the machine?
[20:24] <thyem> Lenovo Edge 11, Core I3 CPU and 4 GB ram
[20:24] <David-A> thyem: maybe. it may be hardware detection that has to try things and time out. a special setting somewhere may solve that.
[20:25] <thyem> Ill try a reboot and let it sit for awhile. I might be to spoiled with SSD theese days. Brb :-) And thanks for the input so far.
[20:26] <recon_lap> might want to look at nomodeset nouveau.noaccel=1
[20:28] <David-A> thyem: do not wait more than 10 mins, but definitly more than 3. (not saying you should accept 3 mins as normal boot time, just for diagnosing the problem)
[20:29] <thyem> Its been a few minutes now, Ill let it sit for a bit longer
[20:29] <recon_lap> thyem: seems that there are some issues with graphics cards not starting with default drivers
[20:30] <thyem> Should that affect Grub?
[20:30] <recon_lap> try add nomodeset nouveau.noaccel=1 to boot options
[20:31] <recon_lap> thyem: I'm just reading from the web. dont think I know any of this for sure :)
[20:31] <thyem> :)
[20:33] <thyem> I just find a bit odd if its that. It might be but the install boots fine with the USB stick. Not sure how that works. The USB stick should just contain the install media, but the installer might have but some boot files on it? I am bit confused, because if there was no grub on the HDD I should be getting "NO OS; Please reboot" or something similar
[20:34] <blackgatonegro> well, the usb versdion has some boot files in it
[20:34] <blackgatonegro> is not that different from like, booting from a cd or an old floppy disk
[20:35] <recon_lap> thyem: I find that life is to short to try work out these things when there are simple options to try :)
[20:35] <blackgatonegro> besides ubuntu/s have a usb installar for a reason, to make a ubuntu live usb that works
[20:38] <David-A> blackgatonegro: (I reccon thyem have installed xubuntu on the harddisk and try boot it from there)
[20:39] <blackgatonegro> well, xubuntu does boot from a hard disk, but usually you have to format it first.
[20:39] <thyem> Yeah, I might have worded myself badly so Ill start over: Downloaded Xubuntu, put in on USB stick for install, Plugged USB stick in laptop, booted Xubuntu installer, had it remove windows + recovery partition
[20:39] <blackgatonegro> or you mean without grub? grub is there to pick the os you wanna boot
[20:40] <thyem> Installed Xubuntu to the harddrive with a big ext 4 part at /dev/sda1 and some swap
[20:40] <thyem> Tried booting it without the USB stick, got black screen with blinking _
[20:40] <blackgatonegro> so, something went wrong?
[20:40] <blackgatonegro> grub got damaged or something?
[20:40] <thyem> Tried booting with stick, straight to login screen of HDD install
[20:41] <blackgatonegro> well, you got a bad install for sure
[20:41] <thyem> Yeah, my toughts. But then I cant figure out why the stick would boot me to HDD install instead of "try Xubuntu" and I dont know why I dont get some grub error or the grub cli
[20:41] <blackgatonegro> format, install again being online, go read the guide on how to restore grub
[20:41] <recon_lap> thyem: check boot order in BIOS
[20:42] <blackgatonegro> 12.04 does have quite a few nasty bugs on a fresh install
[20:42] <thyem> Its : USB -> HDD -> Network
[20:42] <David-A> thyem: did you tell the installer not to install grub or install it somewhere nonstandard?
[20:42] <thyem> But its still blinking and its been 10 minutes
[20:42] <blackgatonegro> put hhd first, usb second
[20:42] <thyem> Nope, I let it figure it out
[20:42] <blackgatonegro> ok then your grub is corrupted
[20:45] <thyem> Any tips on how to fix that without having to reinstall the entire system?
[20:47] <blackgatonegro> https://odzangba.wordpress.com/2011/05/14/455/
[20:47] <blackgatonegro> there
[20:48] <thyem> hmm
[20:48] <thyem> So I need a live version
[20:48] <thyem> Thanks for the help so far guys.
[20:50] <blackgatonegro> yes, boot with usb  pick "Try xubuntu"
[20:50] <blackgatonegro> and follow the intruction
[20:50] <blackgatonegro> s
[20:52] <recon_lap> well, I'm not much help :) Think I'll call it a night
[20:53] <David-A> thyem: would be nice to know what have happend. "sudo dpkg-reconfigure grub" will show where it thinks grub is, but it will also update-grub, there probably is a file to look in. there should be a install log somewhere.
[20:56] <tech1> is anyone good with nvidia xserver or /etc/X11/xorg.conf .... for setting up dual monitors? i had them both working before then i had to resetup my pc and cant get dual monitors working again
[20:56] <tech1> in nvidia xserver tool, i have detected both displays and can setup dual monitors but the "apply" button is always disabled so i cant apply it
[20:57] <blackgatonegro> tech1, best thing would be to remove the drivers and install everything again
[20:57] <tech1> the apply button seemed to become enabled by complete fluke every 1 in a billion attempts but so far  i havnt got that back
[20:57] <tech1> ok ill try and reinstall the drivers
[20:57] <tech1> im just using the default nvidia drivers though
[20:58] <blackgatonegro> using nvidia drivers is like a matching game, it works, or it does not work. be sure to do a complete uninstall
[20:58] <tech1> if i uninstall the default nvidia drivers wont my primary monitor stop working too?
[20:59] <blackgatonegro> synaptic/ status view / remove everything in: not installed residual config
[21:00] <blackgatonegro> well, it should load some basic vga drivers
[21:00] <blackgatonegro> but yes, you need to install them again to use 3d aceleration and that
[21:00] <sambagirl> death to nvidia
[21:01] <tech1> i have arandr too. but for some reason it only detects my primary which says"default"
[21:01] <blackgatonegro> if you have another brand for video cards, please tell
[21:01] <blackgatonegro> tech1, thats a bios thing
[21:01] <blackgatonegro> unless you are talking about the monitors
[21:02] <thyem> David-A: Not sure what made it go poop during the installer but I got it fixed now. Since I could boot into the install with the USB I got it running, startet synaptics, removed all grub packages. terminal, sudo apt-get install grub
[21:02] <thyem> and working
[21:02] <thyem> started*
[21:03] <blackgatonegro> good
[21:04] <David-A> now seconds?
[21:06] <tech1> ahhhh
[21:06] <thyem> yeah
[21:06] <tech1> the apply button is enabled!
[21:06] <tech1> i didnt even change anything
[21:06] <tech1> its that 1 in a billion time
[21:07] <ska> Anyone have issue with splash screen hanging at boot time? Says "configuring network device" or similar
[21:10] <ska> Its probably my fault.. eth0 set to dhcp, but no wire
[21:12] <tech1> ok the apply button is working now but when i click it i get some warning about xscreen settings not being right
[21:20] <tech1> ok i restarted and now i have dual monitors
[21:20] <tech1> somehow
[21:21] <tech1> i didnt do anything i havnt tried a hundred times this week
[21:23] <tech1> well if its working now whatever config made it work should be saved in xorg.conf right?
[21:23] <tech1> so all i should have to do is back that file up.....
[21:24] <Sysi> I think nvidia can also save setings to some file in your home directory
[21:24] <genii-around> Yes
[21:24] <genii-around> .nvidia-settings-rc
[21:26] <tech1> here is my xorg.conf, does it look like it has saved the dual monitors?: http://pastebin.com/cSNAHDH5
[21:26] <tech1> ok ill check that other file too....
[21:30] <thyem> Do you have two identical screens?
[21:30] <tech1> nope each one shows different stuff
[21:31] <tech1> my nvidia xserver says twinview, with secondary positioned rightof
[21:32] <thyem> I have never used twinview, but the xorg.conf you pasted seems to activate twinview on line 61.
[21:33] <tech1> oh wait not anymore... in nvidia xserver(gui) it says they are both disabled under "xserver display configuration" .. that must be for adding new settings? under "xscreen 0", it says dimensions 2944x1080, so its made one big screen out of both monitors
[21:33] <tech1> so twinview means they should show the same thing?
[21:33] <thyem> Dont think so :O
[21:34] <tech1> i assumed that at first... the the settings and how i got it working seemed to mean twinview meant 2 seperate things(so they are one massive screen accross 2 monitors)
[21:34] <tech1> well it all seems to work now
[21:34] <tech1> ill reboot again now and see if it sticks....
[21:34] <thyem> good luck
[21:47] <tech1> it works!
[21:49] <tech1> so what should i look into on how to open a program in a certain monitor/position?  do i include some xfce4 parameters in my script?
[21:50] <SkippersBoss> tech: please look at xrand
[21:51] <SkippersBoss> xrandr
[21:51] <SkippersBoss> !xrandr > tech1
[21:51] <tech1> ok
[21:57] <tech1> thanks reading it now
[21:59] <tech1> is dwm(dynamic window manager) compatible with xubuntu/ubuntustudio/xfce4?
[21:59] <tech1> it looks quite good
[22:03] <holstein> tech1: you'll be wondering if its compatible with XFCE, and http://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?id=6310 looks similar to how i would do it
[22:07] <tech1> thanks good link
[22:08] <tech1> looks like it will be a bigger deal to set up than i thought though. think ill leave it until i have more experience with linux. or ill end up messing my system up(again)
[22:09] <holstein> messing your system up and a great way to learn, assuming you realize who is to "blame" when said issue occurs :)
[22:10] <tech1> yeh, my old pc just died though, then i had probems twice setting up my new pc this month... so only just got things running again. im in debt and behind on work.... so probably not the best time to experiment. maybe in 3 months or something
[22:11] <holstein> i usually have an experimental machine somewhere.. or i use something like virtualbox to test in... you can usually find some free hardware that's decent for running linux
[22:13] <tech1> yeh good idea. ill see if i can salvage something together... an experimental machine sounds quite useful to have :)
[22:14] <holstein> also, having a good backup plan for when things do go wrong... like hard drive failure or whatever... reinstalling the os (in my opinion) should not be something the end user is afraid of, nor should it be "epic"
[22:14] <knome> tech1, just a pointer too... if you have an extra machine and time later, testing the new xubuntu versions and reporting back results is always useful too! :)
[22:15] <holstein> yeah, as knome says, iso testing can actually really help the teams meet deadlines
[22:15] <tech1> cool. will do
[22:15] <holstein> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/xubuntu/all for example
[22:16] <knome> or navigate to http://xubuntu.org/contribute/qa/ and read more :)
[22:17] <tech1> cool
[22:38] <martinphone> what command could I use to see info about all incoming and outcoming internet connections?
[22:44] <well_laid_lawn> martinphone: netstat is good for that - http://linuxpoison.blogspot.com.au/2008/07/how-to-use-netstat.html
[22:44] <David-A> martinphone: maybe the command "ifconfig". depends what info you want. there are tools to collect traffic statistics. you can see traffic in panel applets or screenlet applets.
[22:56] <martinphone> not only the ammount in/out, but what processes use what, what binds to what
[22:57] <martinphone> netstat looks good