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nigelrsorry09:43
nigelrscreen doing some weird stuff there.09:43
ppisatiogra_: todays omap4 live are still 3.4 based, how do i check if they promoted to 3.5?09:53
ogra_ppisati, look at the .manifest fiel for the image09:53
ogra_*file09:54
ppisatiogra_: you call it "seed" right? the thing that list all the packages that should be included in an image?09:54
ogra_or for desktop it might be .list09:54
ogra_the seed is the input for tasks and metapackages, yeah, it defines what goes where09:54
ogra_but the .list and .manifest files show you what actually ended up in the image ;)09:55
ppisatiwell09:55
ppisatihttp://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/quantal-desktop-armhf+omap4.manifest09:55
ppisatishows me 3.4 since the live is 3.4 based09:55
ogra_linux-image-3.4.0-204-omap43.4.0-204.909:55
ogra_The following packages have unmet dependencies:09:56
ogra_ empathy : Depends: empathy-common (= 3.5.5-0ubuntu1) but 3.5.90-0ubuntu2 is to be installed09:56
ogra_well, no image builds since two days09:56
ogra_yesterdays failed on pythin-glib i think09:56
ppisatifor emapthy?09:56
ppisati:(09:56
ogra_todays on emptahy09:56
ogra_try the server image ;)09:56
ppisatiwhere do you check these status?09:56
* ppisati is missing some ml... 09:57
ogra_nah, they are hidden on people.ubuntu.com09:57
ogra_i'm in the cdimage team, we get the logs mailed daily09:57
ogra_one sec09:57
ogra_http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/cd-build-logs/09:58
ogra_and http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/livefs-build-logs09:59
ppisaticool09:59
ogra_todays is at http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/livefs-build-logs/quantal/ubuntu-omap4/20120822/livecd-20120822-armhf.out09:59
ppisatithe last one is the one i was looking for09:59
ppisatiogra_: when does it run next?10:02
ogra_ppisati, hmm, good question, the crontab on the build machine looks a bit weird10:04
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ppisatiThe following packages have unmet dependencies:13:59
ppisati gwibber : Depends: gwibber-service (= 3.5.2-0ubuntu1) but 3.5.3-0ubuntu1 is to be installed13:59
ppisati gwibber-service : Conflicts: libgwibber2 but 3.5.2-0ubuntu1 is to be installed13:59
ppisati                   Breaks: libgwibber2 but 3.5.2-0ubuntu1 is to be installed13:59
ogra_fun13:59
ppisatiogra_: ^13:59
ogra_say thanks to people that upload packagesets to the main archive instead of proposed14:00
ogra_it should resolve itself after a while14:00
ppisatiyes, but i can't test my kernel in the archive14:00
ogra_our kernel uses gwibber ?14:01
ppisatino14:01
ogra_(does it twitter dmesg lines ?)14:02
ppisatibut builders don't complete a build if $foobar is brokern14:02
ogra_so just grab a workin server image then14:02
ppisatii want the desktop image14:02
ogra_and apt-get install the kernel14:02
ogra_forget desktop14:02
ogra_unusable atm14:02
ogra_even if it would build14:02
ppisatiah right14:03
ppisatibah14:03
* ppisati dies in a corner14:03
* ogra_ does that since a week14:03
ogra_welcome to the club14:03
ogra_gwibber (3.5.3-0ubuntu2) quantal; urgency=low14:08
ogra_  * debian/control:14:08
ogra_    - add some missing internal package dependencies14:08
ogra_ppisati, ^^^14:08
ogra_uploaded 8 min ago14:08
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rsalvetiogra_: I'm now working on the remaining changes for pvr, should have the packages ready later today14:59
ogra_\o/15:01
GrueMasterWhat?  Arm daily images are broken?  Say it isn't so.16:18
ogra_GrueMaster, nah, it isnt ... server always works :P16:19
GrueMasterPfft.  Of course it works, there's practically nothing there.16:19
ppisatibesides, where're the server images now?16:22
ppisatihttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/Server/Install16:22
ogra_where they always were16:22
ppisatirefers to P16:22
ogra_cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/server/daily/16:23
ppisatiah16:23
ogra_err16:23
ogra_ubuntu-server16:23
ppisatiNot Found16:23
ogra_(sorry trying to get used to a new kbd here)16:23
ppisati40416:23
ogra_http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/daily/16:23
ppisatino ok16:23
ogra_my daily omap3 autotest just finished ...16:24
ogra_i would expect omap4 to be fine as well ... unless someone uploaded a kernel that doesnt work on servers :P16:24
ogra_ppisati, dont forget to mount the first partition after dd'ing and copy preEnv.txt-serial over preEnv.txt16:25
ogra_unless you want a framebuffer based install16:25
ppisatiif (am_i_on_a_server()) panic("thou shalt not server\n");16:26
ogra_haha16:26
ogra_dont let Daviey see that :)16:26
ppisatiack16:26
GrueMasterI wonder if u-boot could be made to detect if there is a monitor attached?  Something like "if EDID {console=fb} else {console=serial}" (simple logic).16:28
ogra_not in hush shell script16:28
GrueMasterNot that I do much with my pandas these days (except intercept calls from ET).16:28
ogra_it already can drive the framebuffer16:28
ogra_(see the beagle images that get this over-guly orange screen before loading the kernel)16:29
ogra_the prob is that your u-boot.bin gets so big16:29
GrueMasterI know it can drive the framebuffer, but it would be nice if it detected something on the other end.16:29
GrueMasterSo?  It is on SD.16:30
ogra_to be loaded into ram16:30
ogra_MLO needs to assign more space in that case etc etc16:30
GrueMasterDoesn't it get booted out once the kernel boots?16:31
ogra_yep16:31
infinityYeah, it's a question of how much RAM you have to play with before the kernel does anything to it.16:31
infinityAnd mapping it sanely.16:31
GrueMasterI'm not saying for u-boot to actually drive the FB, just detect if it is there.  Let the hush shell do simple scripting (which I know it already can do most of what I recommended).16:31
infinityFSVO "sane".16:31
infinityWhich basically is just rough arithmetic and some luck.16:32
infinityAnd I'm pretty sure you'd need the FB driver built-in to even hope to detect a display on the other end.16:32
infinityBut maybe not.16:32
ogra_GrueMaster, its not the hush shell, you need to include the whole framebuffer stack to even provuide that device somewhere16:32
infinitySeems like a bit of effort for just one subarch, though.16:32
infinity(I agree that it would be nice to autodetect the console, mind you, I've brought it up before too)16:33
* ogra_ grumbles about that new kbd16:33
GrueMasterDo you need the FB stack to do plug detection?16:33
ogra_GrueMaster, yes16:33
ogra_at least parts of it, you can probably cut it down if you dont want to display stuff16:34
GrueMasterHmm.  I would think a snippet of code in u-boot would be enough.16:34
ogra_but thats really a lot effort for not much benefit16:34
* ogra_ thinks since we dropped boot.scr it got easy enough to edit 16:34
ogra_i'll probably drop the preEnv.txt-serial too and just put the info on the wiki16:35
ogra_(its not like its actually hard to add "console=ttyO2" to the end of a file that only contains one line16:36
ogra_)16:36
xnoxogra_: you'd be surprised =)16:48
ogra_heh16:49
xnoxogra_: help.ubuntu.com & wiki.ubuntu.com & askubuntu.com are full of duplicate one-liners....16:49
ogra_hahaha, complain to the doc team :)16:49
* ogra_ didnt even know there are people asking arm questions on askubuntu16:50
ogra_(and i wonder who answers them ?)16:52
* GrueMaster really wishes Unity would support rdp.16:54
* ogra_ really wishes unity would work on arm :P16:55
GrueMasterYea, that too.16:57
rsalvetiI don't think console autodetection should happen based on the monitor presence17:02
rsalvetithat's something that can be done, but then you'd need to boot the board with the monitor already plugged17:02
rsalvetiand even at my own use cases, that doesn't happen so frequently17:03
infinityrsalveti: Based on monitor and keyboard presense is a clever way to do it for installers.  Not for installed systems.17:03
prpplagueanyone making it out to LPC/LCNA ?17:03
infinityrsalveti: That's the trick generally pulled on other platforms.  Autodetect for the installer, trust the bootloader's set default after that.17:03
rsalvetiI'll be at plumbers17:03
infinityprpplague: I'm plumbing.17:03
prpplagueinfinity: ahh dandy17:04
* ogra_ would like to, but forgot to ask for compan coverage17:04
prpplagueinfinity: come on by the TI booth if/when you have time17:04
ogra_*company17:04
infinityprpplague: Do you have presents?17:04
prpplagueinfinity: just one at linuxcon17:04
ogra_mouse mats with pandas on them :)17:04
rsalvetiinfinity: I understand the use case, but I'm still not convinced that mouse+monitor should be a reference for automatically selecting the console here17:04
infinity(Is LC co-located with LPC, I haven't really looked at the former)17:04
rsalvetiit'll depend a lot based on each soc again17:05
rsalvetiwhich can be a huge pain17:05
rsalvetican't be something that the kernel/initrd would be able to detect?17:05
infinityrsalveti: Eh.  It's as correct as any other guess for installer first-boot.17:05
rsalvetionce we're at the kernel side, it's a lot easier17:05
prpplagueinfinity: http://lcna2012.sched.org/event/df97704300418c3eee409c7254c5160d#.UDURbWY6css17:06
rsalvetiprpplague: will you be at plumbers as well?17:06
rsalvetioh, cool17:06
prpplaguersalveti: yea17:06
prpplaguersalveti: no presentation though17:07
ogra_present yourself :)17:07
prpplaguehehe17:07
infinityprpplague: Oh, you misunderstood, I asked if you had *presents*, not a presentation. ;)17:07
prpplagueinfinity: ahh17:07
infinityprpplague: As in, gifts, toys, incentive to come say hi. ;)17:07
rsalveti:-)17:07
prpplagueinfinity: nothing special at linuxcon/lpc17:07
GrueMasterI'd go out for post-event beers, but it is in San Diego, not Portland.17:07
prpplagueinfinity: i have some plans for some stuff at ELCE17:08
infinityprpplague: Oh well.  Maybe I'll find the time to come be friendly anyway. :P17:08
ppisatiwho is going to ELC in Barcelona?17:08
prpplagueinfinity: i can't afford to give a bunch of stuff away at every conference, cuts in to my beer money17:08
* ppisati is going17:08
infinityrsalveti: Bring a box of Linaro pens, we can take turns throwing them at prpplague.17:08
ogra_ppisati, its such a bad timin :/17:08
ogra_*timing17:08
ppisatiogra_: why? right after uds17:09
ogra_exactly :)17:09
rsalvetiinfinity: yeah, I think I have a bunch around17:09
infinityRight after UDS is perfect conference timing, no one works that week anyway.17:09
ppisaticome on, you can drive down from Germany :)17:09
* ogra_ will go by car to UDS ... 17:09
ogra_ppisati, no, from denmark17:09
prpplagueyea LF has done a terrible job of scheduling conferences this year17:09
GrueMasterBloody hell.  Remote desktop IS available, just not enabled.  Grrr.  http://liberiangeek.net/2012/04/list-of-remote-access-support-software-for-ubuntu-12-04-precise-pangolin/ (see bottom).17:10
ppisatiunfortunately i'll miss plumbers this year17:10
ppisatibut at least i'll go to elc17:10
* ogra_ curses bluetooth 17:11
ogra_damned17:11
* GrueMaster now wishes his laptop would support more than 2 monitors. So many remote machines to work with, so little desktop space. sigh.17:13
prpplagueugh, i so hate the lack of output on ubuntu desktop installs17:13
ogra_prpplague, well, we improved that, now we dont even start any GUI in quantal anymore17:14
prpplagueogra_: 11.10 works with pandaboard-es and dvi right?17:16
ppisatiogra_: so i din't get, are you coming or not to elc? and if yes, when? friday? sat?17:16
ogra_ppisati, no, i wont17:16
infinityprpplague: I don't think we supported the ES until 12.04?  I could be wrong.17:17
ogra_unless someone thinnks they need to send me17:17
ogra_we supported the ES with lucid iirc17:17
* prpplague hates when management asks for ubuntu installations for demos17:17
GrueMasterinfinity: It was supported (barely) in 11.1017:17
GrueMasterLucid never supported omap.17:18
ogra_oh, it did, not omap4 though17:18
GrueMasteromap3 support was a tech preview iirc.  And very late in the game.17:19
infinityGrueMaster: Yeah, I know for a fact that natty doesn't even pretend to boot on an ES, never tried oneiric.17:19
ogra_no, right, it was maveric17:20
ogra_that was the release we spent at TI during release week17:20
ogra_to bring up the ES iirc17:20
GrueMasterAs far as DVI goes, I'm not sure if it was supported properly (or is now).  afaik, the images assume output on hdmi port only, and there was no dual monitor output.17:20
GrueMasterogra_: That was the original panda omap4 4450.  I thought the ES was the 4460.17:21
scientesGrueMaster, hdmi is backwards compatible with DVI-D17:21
GrueMaster(or do I have those numbers wrong).17:21
GrueMasterscientes: I know, but there are two "hdmi" ports on panda, 1 is true HDMI, the other is DVI-D in an hdmi form factor.17:22
* prpplague wishes he had time to fix these issues17:22
scienteshdmi also has usb and ethernet for the crazies17:22
GrueMasterOnly in newer HDMI specs.17:23
scientesand for the crazies17:23
ogra_GrueMaster, ES was the second gen panda17:23
ogra_iirc17:23
infinityogra_: The ES definitely won't work on maverick or natty.17:23
ogra_hmm17:23
infinityogra_: And the ES is the 4460, the other Pandas are 4430.17:23
ogra_what am i getting wrong here17:23
GrueMasterogra_: Ok, then that wasn't supported until Oneiric17:23
ogra_oh, i mixed up E and ES17:24
ogra_and EA17:24
GrueMasterYea, the EA was the preproduction 4430.17:24
ogra_EA was maverick til natty ... E natty and later17:24
GrueMasterThe ES is the 4460.17:24
ogra_right17:24
ogra_sorry, my fault17:24
GrueMasterHow is it that I'm the only one that always remembers this?  :P17:25
ogra_dunno, beer imprints in your braincells we others miss ?17:26
GrueMasterHeh.  That must be it.17:26
rsalveti:-)17:28
rsalvetiE1, EA1, 6 layers, 8 layers ES2, lots of names for the older panda :-)17:29
rsalvetibut yeah, 4460 is supported at precise already, and probably just with hdmi17:29
rsalvetidvi is only stable enough to be used since the 3.4 based kernel17:29
rsalvetistill without support for dual monitors, something maybe prpplague would know more17:30
rsalvetibut agreen said it'd be quite hard to sync both outputs to make them usable at the same time17:30
prpplaguersalveti: it isn't that hard to sync up, but does require some work17:31
prpplaguersalveti: the main problem is most of the things i need to test are via the DPI , not HDMI17:31
prpplaguersalveti: which makes using the builds almost useless17:31
rsalvetiyeah, ok17:31
prpplaguejust very frustrating that my angstrom builds work great, but management only wants to see ubuntu17:32
rsalvetiprpplague: and what is your issue with ubuntu at this point?17:35
rsalvetiwhat is causing you headaches?17:36
prpplaguersalveti: no DPI support, basically the same issue i always have with it17:36
rsalvetiI think that's supported with the latest kernel I'd guess17:37
rsalvetiyou could also use the ubuntu-linaro pre-built rootfs we have based on precise17:37
rsalvetiwhich delivers the ti lt kernel17:37
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rsalvetiit's just that we had issues with it for a few kernel releases17:38
rsalvetiif latest 3.5 kernel doesn't support it, it's probably config bug or similar17:40
balloonsogra_, does opengl|es mean unity for us on pandaboards? http://smspillaz.wordpress.com/2012/08/22/delivering-compiz-and-unity-on-the-next-wave-of-embedded-form-factors/17:42
balloonsor do we still need the powervr driver?17:42
prpplaguersalveti: got a link to the linaro-ubuntu you are refering to?17:42
rsalvetiballoons: we still need the pvr driver, but that's also landing today/tomorrow17:43
ogra_balloons, well, unity on x86 supports GL ... would it run without a GL capable xserver ? :)17:43
rsalvetiwhich will allow us running unity 3d on panda17:43
rsalvetijust like we had with precise, but now without a huge package patch :-)17:43
rsalvetiprpplague: http://snapshots.linaro.org/precise/pre-built/lt-panda-x11-base/260/lt-panda-x11-base-precise_ubuntu-desktop_20120821-260.html17:44
rsalvetiprpplague: download, dd it and let me know if it worked or not for you17:44
balloonsogra_, rsalveti thank you.. I assumed we still needed the driver. but that's awesome it's showing up soon as well17:45
balloonsso friday's builds, fingers crossed should have all the goodness in them?17:45
ogra_yeah, by end of the week we should have all bits we need in the archive17:45
balloonswah-hoo!17:45
jimericksonyay!17:45
ogra_but they will need additional integration work (teh driver isnt seeded yet etc)17:46
ogra_so i'd rather say monday17:46
prpplaguersalveti: thanks will do18:06
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prpplaguersalveti: looks like i am going to have to build a custom kernel to do what i need18:41
prpplaguersalveti: oh well18:41
prpplaguersalveti: do you know where the kernel source is for that linaro build?18:52
prpplaguersalveti: nm, looks like the linaro build is going to work, still testing18:55
prpplaguersalveti: doh detecting the wrong resolution, hehe19:04
samekis there any repository with gcc 4.4.4 available for ubuntu 10.04?19:45
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rsalvetiprpplague: but did it work at some leve at least?20:34
prpplaguersalveti: yea the linaro-ubuntu boots, but with the wrong resolution detected20:35
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sameki'm having trouble configuring serial console login on my arm board23:37
samekhttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/SerialConsoleHowto23:37
samekthis doesn't work23:37
samekis there any updates to this document23:37
samekoh it works.. was using wrong tty device23:46
samekthanks for not answering ;)23:46
GrueMasterYou're welcome.  :P23:56

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