[07:10] <TheHumanScience> anybody here familiar with initramfs?  So i was trying install 10.04 on a netbook and it got hung on 95% of the installation forever so like an impatient kid I yanked it out of the usb port.
[07:10] <TheHumanScience> how do i get the usb flash to install?
[08:41] <brendand> cjwatson - a while back you gave me a preseed key which you said might be necessary to make our preseeds work with the new server installer. do you have it handy?
[08:41] <cjwatson> It would have been something to do with live-installer/net-image
[08:42] <cjwatson> brendand: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2012/08/03/%23ubuntu-installer.html
[08:51] <brendand> cjwatson, does the positioning of the key particularly matter?
[08:53] <cjwatson> The order of entries in preseed files never matters.
[08:53] <cjwatson> It's setting a bunch of database rows, not executing a bunch of commands.
[09:09] <babyface> Failed to install quantal alternate iso, and I filed a bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+bug/1039970   anybody has a look on it?
[09:09] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 1039970 in debian-installer "failed to install quantal alternate iso : xserver-xorg-video-all : Depends: xserver-xorg-video-modesetting but it is not installable" [Undecided,New]
[09:14] <cjwatson> babyface: it's not an installer bug when packages are uninstallable.
[09:15] <cjwatson> That's a package that needs to be moved to main.
[09:16] <cjwatson> Harass the X people instead :-)
[09:54] <xnox> ev: https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/7fQxmUtg-r-5i23t6FM51urGEc56OROEzDhHMfso_OU?feat=directlink
[09:54] <xnox> ev: resize widget showing only one label....
[10:01] <ev> xnox: weird
[10:01] <ev> I wonder what broke that
[10:02] <xnox> ev: z-order of the magical frame in gtk3? switch from VBox to simply Box?
[10:03] <jibel> xnox, bug 959486
[10:03] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 959486 in ubiquity "install alongside doesn't show which partition is which" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/959486
[10:03] <xnox> jibel: yeah, I am trying to fix it =) but ran out of options, so asking ev who hopefully knows more of that code =)
[10:04] <xnox> ev: the rest is acient. I did add/remove checkboxes. I also did change the logic such that it doesn't show that page if there is only one drive & it's simply fire and install.
[10:04] <xnox> ev: but it did show logo & text when it's simple use_disk.
[10:08] <ev> xnox: hard to say. I'd suggest instrumenting it to make sure the PartitionBoxes are getting a decent size in ResizeWidget's do_draw
[10:08] <ev> and that the image is actually getting set from the right path in PartitionBox
[10:09] <ev> xnox: you shouldn't need to go through all of the installer for this
[10:09] <ev> just write a small program to create a Gtk window, stuffing the resize widget in it and wire it up
[10:09] <xnox> ok.
[10:51] <ogra_>  cjwatson xnox ... anyone an opinion on bug 1037515 ?
[10:51] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1037515 in ubiquity "ubiquity-dm crashed with MissingProgramError in run(): No window manager found (tried metacity, xfwm4, matchbox-window-manager, openbox-lubuntu, openbox)" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1037515
[10:52] <ogra_> (would be good to get the installer working again soon)
[10:53] <cjwatson> For now, maybe we should explicitly depend on the WMs we support
[10:53]  * ogra_ isnt sure if  metacity is unwanted completely or something 
[10:53] <cjwatson> For 12.10, I suspect we want to make it work with unity
[10:53] <ogra_> that means we can drop arm
[10:53] <cjwatson> That's a desktop problem, not an installer problem
[10:54] <ogra_> (unless the llvmpipe tests result in something positive which is very very unlikely)
[10:54] <cjwatson> If unity doesn't support arm, you aren't getting a working desktop on arm anyway
[10:54] <ogra_> well, the current plan was to have ubiquity run in 2D and tick the third party drivers box automatically
[10:55] <ogra_> so the desktop will have the necessary GLES bits but the installer doesnt need them
[10:55] <cjwatson> Look, I don't really want to have this discussion: how about you assume that when I say unity I mean "unity or whatever 2D bits are available"
[10:56] <ogra_> the point is there are none and ubiquity-dm isnt a desktop thing imho
[10:56] <cjwatson> It kind of is if it's starting a desktop
[10:56] <cjwatson> Anyway I don't see why metacity can't remain as a fallback
[10:57] <ogra_> k
[10:57] <cjwatson> I don't want to get into the desktop wars :)
[10:57] <ogra_> haha
[10:57]  * ogra_ is in the middle of them 
[10:58] <ogra_> right between the fronts :)
[10:59] <cjwatson> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1160599/ - how about that?
[11:00] <ogra_> wow, thats a lot of WMs, but yeah, if it works
[11:01] <cjwatson> That's the set supported by ubiquity-dm
[11:01] <ogra_> in the long term i think x-window-manager-gl would be a good idea though .... but more a debian thing
[11:01] <cjwatson> Sure, this is a stopgap to some extent
[11:02] <ogra_> oh, how about compiz ?
[11:03] <ogra_> if it works, you probably want it
[11:03] <ogra_> not sure there is any fallback detection though
[11:03] <cjwatson> That would involve a change to ubiquity-dm too
[11:03] <cjwatson> I'm not keen to change more than necessary right now to get things working again
[11:03] <ogra_> ah, so there is no autodetecttion, good then
[11:04]  * ogra_ thought we might just be hitting the fallback mechanism and break in that
[11:04] <cjwatson> No, ubiquity-dm has a hardcoded list of WMs it knows about
[11:04] <cjwatson> So x-window-manager was basically bogus anyway
[11:04] <ogra_> k
[11:04] <ogra_> heh, yeah
[11:04] <cjwatson> Not that I'm saying this is good design, but ...
[11:05] <ogra_> it works :)
[11:05] <cjwatson> Ish