[01:52] <jbicha> balloons: hey, how do I force apport to let me report a bug from the compiz-gsettings ppa?
[01:53] <jbicha> I believe I have APPORT_IGNORE_OBSOLETE_PACKAGES set
[02:23] <shadeslayer> \o
[02:45] <phillw> jbicha: have you tried ubuntu-bug compiz
[02:46] <phillw> jbicha: if that does not work, then remove the ppa, reinstall and report against the ppa
[02:46] <phillw> (as in ppa purge)
[02:53] <phillw> jbicha: I cannot find it on the central QA area, I do apologise; we are getting things transferred over. the current one for dealing with errant ppa's is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing/PPA_Testing
[02:56] <jbicha> the ppa purge idea is interesting, I'll try that next time
[03:01] <phillw> It's most likely my fault that it has not been added onto https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Activities as we were discussing about documenting 'ad-hoc' testing, and it does appear to have slipped under our radar.... I'm sorry.
[03:03] <phillw> In my feeble defence, we really are stretched with testing. We have a QA meeting this afternoon, I'll bear this example in mind for the fact we MUST have correct & upto date information for the good people who actually test.
[12:02] <smartboyhw> phillw: If you are here: How is your upgrade testing going?:)
[12:08] <phillw> smartboyhw: for kubuntu? We have a confirmation of the complete fail.
[12:08] <smartboyhw> phillw: Oh....That's sad
[12:09] <phillw> smartboyhw: it's not that bad, at least they have a better idea of the failure.
[12:09] <smartboyhw> phillw: Hmm...
[12:15] <smartboyhw> Hmm, still no good with the testing status of Ubuntu Studio 12.04.1 images, only me and len-dt tested it, and that was because we are team member there:(
[12:16] <phillw> just waiting for kubuntu-devel to ask me what they want me to do next. I've preppped up daddy server for them
[12:16] <smartboyhw> phillw: Daddy server? BTW, aren't you supposed to be in Lubuntu?:)
[12:17] <phillw> lubuntu has its ticks, we have just about got enough testers.
[12:18] <smartboyhw> phillw: What do you mean by "we have just got enough testers?" Who are the testers? Want to know
[12:18] <phillw> smartboyhw: daddy server is the 16G version of http://www.kimsufi.co.uk/
[12:18] <smartboyhw> phillw: You mean there's not enough people in testing Kubuntu?
[12:19] <phillw> smartboyhw: our list is https://launchpad.net/~lubuntu-qa/+members which includes some 'main' QA people.
[12:20] <smartboyhw> OK, thanks.
[12:22] <smartboyhw> phillw: Is it that we will be talking a hell lot about 12.04.1 testing on today's QA meeting?:-)
[12:29] <phillw> smartboyhw: it does need to have a chat about.
[13:36] <smartboyhw> phillw: Ready to be chair?:)
[14:23] <balloons> evening njin :-)
[14:24] <njin> hallo balloons :-) good morning
[14:26] <balloons> if you'd like, we're having the weekly meeting in #ubuntu-meeting right no
[14:26] <balloons> *now
[14:26] <smartboyhw> njin; Come
[14:26] <njin> balloons, just back from biking, I'm sweating like a fountain, but I follow the meeting
[14:26] <smartboyhw> And see if you can understand what phillw's saying about the testcases:)
[14:26] <balloons> njin.. biking is fun!
[14:26] <balloons> off-road or on-road?
[14:26] <njin> yes
[14:27] <njin> off road
[14:29] <njin> better mountain biking
[14:55] <smartboyhw> OK, so, the MASSIVE FAILURE that phillw has experienced during testing.
[14:56] <njin> I cannot remeber all this failure upgrading from Uby 10.04 to 12.04
[14:57] <smartboyhw> I never tested it, since I hate old releases:(
[14:57] <smartboyhw> I like NEW!
[14:57] <njin> and it was also an hardware test
[14:57] <phillw> jibel: the failures on 10.04.4 --> 12.04 overloaded the error reporting system, the logs of my coversations are on #kubuntu-devel
[14:57] <njin> smartboy, the new is on the upgrade logistic...;-)
[14:57] <balloons> njin, yes upgrades seemed to go really smooth this time around
[14:58] <phillw> jibel: it was confirmed on VM very late (read as in the early hours for myself)
[14:59] <smartboyhw> BTW, look at the e-mail a guy just sent to the qA mail list
[14:59] <phillw> I cannot therefore give a tick to the iso-tracker.
[14:59] <njin> downloading images to test an upgrade
[14:59] <smartboyhw> Not downloading, will sleep soon:(
[15:01] <njin> I wiil upgrade ubuntu amd 64
[15:05] <njin> balloons, the bug with the LP is due to a tilde in the tags, I've specified in the mail that i?ve sent to carla, but still waiting approval...
[15:06] <balloons> waiting approval?
[15:06] <njin> yes, every letter I send to the list has to wait
[15:06] <balloons> njin, thanks for helping her out.. I haven't seen the reply
[15:06] <balloons> why is it giving you a wait?
[15:06] <njin> dunno
[15:06] <balloons> u a non-member?
[15:07] <njin>  Post by non-member to a members-only list
[15:07] <balloons> ahh
[15:07] <smartboyhw> Subscribe to it NOW
[15:07] <smartboyhw> :)
[15:07] <balloons> perhaps your email isn't the same when replying
[15:07] <balloons> as when you recieve the message
[15:07] <balloons> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-qa
[15:07] <njin> ah, probably
[15:08] <balloons> I'm not an admin, so actually I can't help :-)
[15:08] <smartboyhw> oh
[15:08] <balloons> njin I would just subscribe to the list with the same address your sending your reply with
[15:08] <balloons> that should fix it
[15:08] <njin> ok, thanks
[15:09] <balloons> jibel, can you approve njin's post to ubuntu-qa??
[15:11] <jibel> balloons, done
[15:12] <njin> jibel, thanks
[15:12] <phillw> balloons: you mean you're not an admin on ubuntu-qa? Most peculiar
[15:12] <njin> balloons, still naving the new compiz installed ?
[15:12] <smartboyhw> jibel: Give balloons an admin seat in ubuntu-qa:)
[15:13] <balloons> njin, yes I still do
[15:13] <njin> yes, one for him and one for his dog
[15:13] <roadmr> woof
[15:13] <smartboyhw> njin: Are you the official teaser of balloons' dog/:)
[15:13] <njin> can you repèroduce two more bugs ?
[15:14] <balloons> njin, yes.. shoot
[15:15] <njin> bug 1040042
[15:15] <njin> 1040036
[15:15] <njin> bug 1040036
[15:17] <smartboyhw> phillw: You mean an upgrade or what for Ubuntu Studio at 12.10?
[15:18] <balloons> phillw, did you tarball up the logs from the kubuntu installs for jibel?
[15:18]  * balloons will attempt to confirm
[15:20] <phillw> balloons: alas no, the VM failed all external connections after the upgrade (it was on my local machine), that is why I said that they could use the last spare SII server VM and uploaded both the 10.04.4 iso's to it.
[15:20] <smartboyhw> phillw: Reply to PM
[15:21] <smartboyhw> balloons: PM
[15:21]  * njin nothing :-(
[15:21] <balloons> njin
[15:21] <smartboyhw> njin: :(
[15:21] <balloons> yep, both happened for me
[15:22] <njin> good, thanks for the verify
[15:22] <balloons> we should add some deescription to bug 1040036
[15:22] <njin> there are other two but are already confirmed
[15:22] <balloons> it's a bit confusing.. but the screencast explained it
[15:23] <smartboyhw> phillw: Reply to PM, please
[15:24] <njin> balloons, it is really a strange issue, becouse sometimes when reporducing the applications on tha launcher autostarts
[15:31] <smartboyhw> balloons: Sent the e-mail to the testcase admin team using Launchpad:) I understand how it works now, thanks for link
[15:31] <balloons> smartboyhw, sure
[15:32] <smartboyhw> balloons: I'll list you as my mentor in my Wiki page tmr:)
[16:00] <njin> jibel, sorry...again...Post by non-member to a members-only list
[16:03] <jibel> njin, you can post to the list with the address you subscribed or subscribe with the address that is currently moderated
[16:06] <njin> so i cannot use @ubuntu.com and have to use hotmail.com ?
[16:06] <smartboyhw> njin: Subscribe both!
[16:07] <smartboyhw> balloons: Look at PM
[16:08] <njin> this thing makes me sad, we don't have a mail address, evern depend on others
[16:10] <njin> we have the cloud and not the mail
[16:11] <njin> balloons, I'm too sad, I stop testing in protest !!
[16:12] <balloons> ahh njin :-(
[16:12] <smartboyhw> Off to bed now!
[16:12] <balloons> njin, yes subscribe using both email addresses
[16:13] <balloons> night smartboyhw
[16:13] <njin> smartboyhw sleep with his pc ?
[16:13] <balloons> I know I do :-)
[16:13] <smartboyhw> njin: I'll quit soon
[16:14] <njin> ok balloons
[16:14] <njin> smartboyhw, good sleep
[16:14] <smartboyhw> Bye njin
[16:14] <smartboyhw> And balloons
[16:14] <smartboyhw> And jibel
[16:20] <njin> jibel, sorry again, another mail address to authorize, but when we can have our own mail service without depend on others?
[16:21] <njin> I'm crying, I want the mail service , boooo
[16:46] <jibel> phillw, I tried a kubuntu upgrade from 10.04.4 + updates to latest precise and it succeeded. Only failure I got was a crash of Kbuildsycoca, it was not fatal and I dismissed the error dialog
[16:49] <phillw> jibel: good :)
[16:51] <phillw> jibel: so it just needs docoumenting as 'cancel the crash'?
[16:52] <phillw> bbs. need to reboot into lubuntu
[17:11] <cking> pgraner, ping
[17:14] <pgraner> cking, pong
[17:15] <cking> pgraner, hi, I'm assembling the power measuring rig but I seem to be missing a power clamp, apparently one was ordered for me a few weeks ago.  Was that done? If so, is there a tracking number for the order
[17:16] <pgraner> cking, gema had it, she would have any tracking
[17:17] <cking> pgraner, hrm, she sent me a package with some of the kit - OK I will pursue this and track it down somehow, thanks
[17:17] <pgraner> cking, oh the clamp
[17:17] <pgraner> cking, sorry, just hit me
[17:18] <cking> yep, the clampy thing
[17:18] <pgraner> cking, the one I ordered was a US one not UK so we didn't send it to you.
[17:18] <pgraner> cking, Just buy one (I found them on Amazon) and expense
[17:18] <cking> pgraner, ah, in which case I'd better order one right away. OK
[17:18] <pgraner> cking, I'll let ogasawara know
[17:19] <pgraner> cking, sorry, I should have let you know sooner
[17:19] <cking> pgraner, no worries, I've been on vacation and then tied up over this week, so we've not lost too much time, I will sort it out
[17:20] <pgraner> cking, cool
[17:55] <njin> !net-split
[17:56] <njin> ! net split
[17:56] <njin> !net split
[17:58] <jibel> balloons, and all don't start testing newest alternates are broken
[17:58] <balloons> jibel, ohh?
[17:58] <balloons> can we mark for re-build and update notification?
[18:01] <njin> jibel, thanks
[18:48] <patdk-wk> more testing needed? new round?
[19:06] <skaet> patdk-wk,  there's a fresh set of alternate images (Ubuntu, Xubuntu, Kubuntu) that need to be tested.
[19:13] <balloons> yes..
[19:16] <balloons> jibel, can you take care of the amd64+mac? I know your connection is so so today
[19:16] <balloons> heck you may be gone...
[19:19] <njin> balloons, have you tried upgrade lucid - precise ?
[19:20] <balloons> njin, I'm going to get the alt iso's retested
[19:21] <balloons> then i'll try the upgrade
[19:21] <balloons> I didn't do an alt upgrade yet though, no
[19:21] <balloons> still syncing atm
[19:21] <njin> mine is nopt working, it won't propose the upgrade and i've found this now: bug 1040002
[19:22] <balloons> njin ohh no
[19:22] <njin> probably the upgrade are loked I don't know
[19:22] <njin> locked
[19:23] <balloons> njin, hop over onto #ubuntu-release
[19:23] <balloons> njin, did this happen on what iso?
[19:23] <balloons> er.. lol.. upgrade test, right :-)
[19:23] <njin> lol
[19:24] <njin> ok, asking on release chan
[19:24] <balloons> njin, looks like the bug needs more info
[19:24] <balloons> perhaps you can provide it
[19:24] <balloons> can you run apport-collect?
[19:25] <njin> surely, but dunno if it is related, i've to look indeep
[19:25] <balloons> i mean.. it's broken "live" in front of you
[19:25] <balloons> we'll see what they think
[19:28] <njin> balloon, is expexted as the upgrade is locked for the LTS user till 12.04.1 release
[19:28] <balloons> ahh yes..
[19:29] <jibel> njin, this is a generic error message. Can you please file a new bug against update-manager and attach the content of /var/log/dist-upgrade
[19:29] <balloons> we knew that :-)
[19:29] <jibel> njin, it is not an expected message
[19:29] <njin> jibel, no I0m not the reporter of the bug, mine just don't suggest to upgrade to precise
[19:29] <jibel> and don't add the logs to the bug reported by victor as they are very likely caused by different issues
[19:30] <jibel> njin, ah ok, I understood you got the same error message
[19:30] <jibel> sorry
[19:30] <njin> no, thanks egual
[19:30] <jibel> balloons, I'm back!
[19:31] <balloons> jibel, salut mon ami!
[19:31] <jibel> heh
[19:31] <jibel> I'll do mac after other alternates
[19:32] <balloons> Je pense que je suis fou
[19:32] <njin> balloons, yes, but haw we can test the upgrade ??
[19:32] <balloons> je me sens fou..
[19:33] <balloons> meric jibel
[19:33] <njin> balloons, meilleur feu que bill gates
[19:33] <balloons> njin, tres drole!
[19:37] <njin> let see if today i can complete a test
[19:38] <njin> syncing the server
[19:43] <njin> baloons, if I manually edit the sources.list to upgrade to Precise is considered a valid test ?
[19:43] <njin> balloons:^^
[19:44] <njin> so we can observe the upgrade
[19:44] <balloons> njin, ask jibel how he does it
[19:44] <balloons> I would do it that way.. but it doesn't test the upgrade manager though
[19:44] <jibel> njin, it is invalid
[19:45] <njin> ok
[19:45] <jibel> njin, open a terminal and run:
[19:45] <balloons> jibel , do you enable proposed?
[19:45] <jibel> update-manager -d
[19:45] <jibel> or
[19:45] <jibel> do-release-upgrade -d
[19:45] <njin> trying
[19:45] <jibel> balloons, not anymore
[19:45] <jibel> automated tests are testing -proposed and -updates
[19:46] <jibel> but for the release I'm manually testing -updates
[19:46] <balloons> k
[20:19] <njin> I abort the test, too many time with slow connection, retry tomorrow, now go to slep, goodnight everybody
[20:19] <trijntje> ping balloons: why isn't the orange notebook blog present on planet.ubuntu.com? I think that would be a great way to attract more testers
[20:19] <balloons> goodnight njin
[20:19] <balloons> trijntje, it should be
[20:20] <balloons> perhaps they booted me :-p
[20:20] <balloons> lol.. yes, I still see myself there :-)
[20:22] <trijntje> oh, my bad, sorry. I usually check the planet daily, but I've somehow missed all posts. Unlucky I guess
[20:23] <balloons> trijntje, wow
[20:23] <balloons> yea, totally possible though
[20:23] <balloons> I use an rss reader
[20:23] <balloons> very easy to miss otherwise
[20:23] <balloons> for a long time it wasn't listed.. I just became a member in june
[20:23] <balloons> so I'm still fresh!
[20:24] <trijntje> maybe I should 'invest' in an rss reader ;)
[20:25] <trijntje> yeah, I was surprised to see you've been a member for such a short time, seeing how you've build up this QA community in such a short time!
[20:30] <balloons> trijntje, to me membership is confirmation of what you've already done and are continuing to do ;-)
[20:31] <balloons> that said, don't let membership (or lack of!) keep you from accomplishing things!
[20:31] <balloons> I am proud to stand and be counted as a member, but that doesn't hinder anyone from contributing imho
[20:34] <balloons> interesting.. I found a bug in rescue mode
[20:38] <trijntje> It's a nice badge of honour, and you get a @ubuntu.com email, which looks cool. I only applied because I needed the space on people.ubuntu.com for hosting localised Dutch iso images
[20:46] <trijntje> i'm off, have a nice day everybody
[22:29] <jibel> skaet, balloons ubuntu alternate i386, amd64 and mac is almost done. I didn't review rescue and memtest in the last set
[22:29] <balloons> jibel, i've been playing with rescue :-)
[22:29] <balloons> it works fine for one disk installation. I'm playing around with multiple disks/partitions
[22:30] <jibel> balloons, yep, I've seen your bug but honestly I don't feel like trying to reproducing it now :)
[22:30] <balloons> jibel, I can't reproduce https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+bug/1040297
[22:31] <balloons> I wou;dn't worry about it.. I tried on the same instance.. couldn't do it
[22:31] <jibel> balloons, maybe a pebcak then
[22:32] <balloons> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+bug/1040306 seems to be an issue
[22:33] <balloons> i'm still playing around with iterating it over and over
[22:37] <jibel> balloons, ok, I see you enjoy it, good luck and good night !
[22:37] <balloons> :-) yes
[22:38] <balloons> good night
[22:42] <balloons> ok, I'm done playing.. I think 1040306 is valid.. not a showstopper
[23:38] <phillw> psivaa: hiyas
[23:39] <psivaa> phillw hello
[23:40] <phillw> hi psivaa, I tried 10.04.4 kubunut --> 12.04 and it failed.
[23:41] <phillw> I was only doing it as a tick box excercise and did not imagine that it could fail so bad :(
[23:42] <phillw> psv
[23:44] <phillw> psivaa: , I do ask that you be patient, this test cycle has been a tough one. Don't give up, things will get better :)