[06:48] <AlanBell> morning all
[07:07] <diplo> Morning all
[07:21] <christel> GOOD MORNING :D
[07:33] <BigRedS> Good Morning!
[07:43] <TheOpenSourcerer> shh
[07:43] <christel> aww
[07:45] <diplo> :P
[07:55] <TheOpenSourcerer> shiny :-) http://www.baserock.com/
[08:07] <popey> morning
[08:08] <DJones> Argh, stupid tesco bank, only works with IE
[08:09] <TheOpenSourcerer> Hey - Windows 8 sounds just like Unity ;-) http://www.pcgamesn.com/article/why-i-m-uninstalling-windows-8
[08:10] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:12] <popey> "It took me nearly half an hour to work out how to turn off my PC."
[08:12] <popey> GNOME Shell!
[08:12] <TheOpenSourcerer> lol
[08:12] <TheOpenSourcerer> it sounds great eh?
[08:14] <TheOpenSourcerer> "If you’re using Metro apps, there is no clock
[08:14] <TheOpenSourcerer> FFS. "
[08:18] <JamesTait> Good morning all! :)
[08:29] <christel> GOOD MORNING JamesTait my beautiful beautiful person! <3
[08:31] <diplo> Happy mood today christel :)
[08:32] <christel> why yes my lovely diplo :D
[08:32] <christel> it is a WONDERFUL day!
[08:32] <diplo> I need to feel like that, really must start my CV this week and find a new job!
[08:33] <daubers> diplo: You can have mine if you want....
[08:33] <diplo> If you weren't so far away daubers I'd jump at it :/
[08:33] <daubers> Just need to fend off the "We need you to go to Amsterdam for a week to help with this trade show" rubbish
[08:33] <diplo> With my kids it just puts that issue on me of flexibility
[08:33] <christel> nono, jump on it anyway! you'd be closer to all us cool people :D
[08:34] <JamesTait> christel: I think you must have me confused with someone else. :-P
[08:34] <christel> haha
[08:34] <christel> not at aaaalllll
[08:36] <JamesTait> christel: How are you, my lovely?
[08:36] <diplo> I have debated moving lot's of times, just interferes Mondays with school/swimming lessons, other than that I'm good with moving.
[08:36] <diplo> Apart from moving kids away from friends etc
[08:36] <diplo> Not got much holding me locally.
[08:37] <christel> JamesTait: i am VERY LOTS OF WELL (!?) :D
[08:38] <JamesTait> christel: Well that sounds good. :)  Have you been drinking? :-P
[08:38] <christel> diplo: *nod* they are young enough to be able to settle down quickly after a move and make new friends etc i assume :)
[08:38] <christel> JamesTait: hahaha nO!
[08:38] <diplo> yeah defo
[08:39] <diplo> Anyone here have any knowledge of the east of Spain ?
[08:39] <christel> move to spain! i'll come visit and sunbathe! :D
[08:39] <diplo> Los Montesinos, Valencia, Spain in particular area
[08:40] <diplo> Just down from Alicante, been offered a flat for a week for free, just anyone recommend places around that area for a single bloke to do for a week :)
[08:40] <diplo> Rarely had abroad holidays in years and never on my own
[08:41] <soreau> diplo: drink and avoid getting mugged
[08:41] <diplo> heh soreau, defo one of my plans. I heard Barcelona was bad for that not the rest of the country
[08:44] <dutchie> daubers: not having fun at work? :(
[08:48] <christel> oh nice
[08:57] <daubers> dutchie: Too much going on, too much change requiring me to relearn my job!
[08:57] <daubers> While still doing my old job
[08:57] <diplo> daubers: that was my issue at my last job, and all the extra hours they wanted me to do for free
[08:59] <daubers> diplo: I don't necessarily have that problem, as things like holiday days are quite lax (can get a lot of time in leiu as long as it doesn't get it in the way of stuff)
[08:59] <dutchie> daubers: :( not much fun
[09:00] <daubers> diplo: It's just that I've never been tought how to manage! Thats now most of what I do :(
[09:01] <daubers> oh well, residential course in october to learn
[09:02] <diplo> daubers: Also one of my issues, I was temp manager for 6 months, learnt a lot in those 6 months
[09:03] <diplo> Now I don't have any of that, but just don't enjoy my work,
[09:08] <daubers> heh :)
[09:11] <dwatkins> diplo: I'm starting to feel like that in the rather large company I'm currently at.
[09:19] <diplo> :/
[09:20] <dwatkins> there just seems to be too much work to do, or things to put right
[09:20] <diplo> yeah that was my old issue
[09:21] <diplo> The month before I left I basically wasn't in any projects so I basically fixed everyones niggles for a month
[09:21] <diplo> The guys have said since that most of the support issues disappeared after that
[09:21] <diplo> Wondering whether I should have stayed :D
[09:33] <dwatkins> I don't have access to the source, so I'm constantly fighting fires and dealing with other people having not dealt with things in a timely manner.
[09:35] <diplo> :/
[09:35] <diplo> What do you do as a job dwatkins, still quite suprised by people who idle in here who are not in the IT industry
[09:35] <dwatkins> I'm in tech support, diplo.
[09:36] <diplo> Everything, or server side ?
[09:36] <dwatkins> server or client - I support a couple applications which can have issues on either.
[09:37] <dwatkins> ..and in three languages (French, German and English)
[09:37] <diplo> Oh fun, are you bilingual(sp??)
[09:37] <dutchie> this is quite a d-based conversation
[09:37] <dutchie> tab completion must be a pain
[09:38] <dwatkins> kinda, I can hold a conversation in any of my languages, although my grammar isn't too brilliant sometimes.
[09:38] <dwatkins> d-based, dutchie?
[09:38] <dutchie> Daubers Dwatkins and Dutchie
[09:38] <dwatkins> ah yes :)
[09:38] <dwatkins> I just see white, green and deep green ;)
[09:39] <diplo> and diplo!
[09:39]  * diplo feels left out :D
[09:39] <dwatkins> you're the green one, diplo
[09:40] <diplo> heh
[09:40] <dutchie> ah yes, sorry diplo
[09:43] <dwatkins> I might move back down south, to the M4 corridor (seeing as my family is all there)
[09:43] <diplo> That's me dwatkins
[09:43] <diplo> I'd rather get work in a SMB being the sole IT guy i reckon, get my hands back on etc
[09:44] <dwatkins> yeah, I worked for a startup company back in the 'dotcom bubble' days, it was great fun.
[10:02] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:12] <dutchie> another d!
[10:12] <dutchie> maybe we have Displaced all others
[10:19] <diplo> lol
[10:22] <DJones> Do What?
[10:26] <Darael> What's this?
[10:27] <Mez> popey / AlanBell - looks like we've got the go-ahead here to do the Global Jam for all three days ... though not too sure how many people would be interested.
[10:28] <AlanBell> excellent
[10:28] <popey> yay
[10:29] <popey> we could do a live link up
[10:29] <popey> hangout
[10:36] <AlanBell> popey: want a polycom communicator for that?
[10:37] <mattt> jamjamjam!
[10:37] <mattt> Mez: where's the jam going to be at ?
[10:38] <diplo> AlanBell: heh at topic
[10:39] <dutchie> :D
[10:39] <dutchie> (the only appropriate smiley)
[11:32] <popey> sardines on toast for lunch.. nom nom nom
[11:38] <diplo> Oh god no! Stay away
[11:38] <diplo> :)
[11:38] <TheOpenSourcerer> phew.
[11:39]  * TheOpenSourcerer will probably pick up a Tesco Curry on the way to the office he thinks
[11:39] <diplo> Now that sounds nice :)
[11:39]  * AlanBell likes to eat sardines when there is nobody else in the house to complain about it
[11:40]  * diplo is going to give the HairyDieters low cal curry a go soon, just printed out the recipe. 
[11:40] <popey> yeah, everyone left when i opened the tin
[11:40] <TheOpenSourcerer> Except Sky I should think.
[11:40] <diplo> lol popey, things should be banned unless in open areas
[11:40] <TheOpenSourcerer> Pilchards
[11:40] <TheOpenSourcerer> Kippers
[11:40] <diplo> :(
[11:41] <AlanBell> diplo: let me know how it goes, I am on a bit of a diet
[11:42] <AlanBell> AlanBell--
[11:43] <diplo> Will do, my mum bought the book a couple of days ago so will be 'borrowing' that as well
[11:44] <diplo> Going to try and make some variations of the indian dishes for a Indian night at my gaff soon for some friends. If they taste ok i will share that aswell :)
[11:44] <AlanBell> also take a picture of your spicerack :)
[11:45] <diplo> I really must one day, well it's a cupboard but I will..
[11:46] <daubers> diplo: Oooh.. I keep meaning to watch that problem
[11:47]  * daubers went and saw the Hairy Bikers being filmed
[11:48]  * TheOpenSourcerer and the Mrs are thinking of doing the 2 in 7 <600 calorie fasting diet - as shown on Horizon the other week.
[11:49] <diplo> yeah i saw a few people on G+ doing the 600 cal diet
[11:49] <diplo> They seem to think it works
[11:50] <AlanBell> that is what I am doing
[11:51] <diplo> Well let me know how that goes, I need to start excersing more but dieting is defo another place i need to work at
[11:51] <AlanBell> 600 or so yesterday, probably going to try not to eat masses on other days too
[11:51] <TheOpenSourcerer> I like the idea you eat what you want for the other 5 days :-)
[11:54] <TheOpenSourcerer> Cool - a Hoverbike. http://www.pocket-lint.com/news/47008/star-wars-hover-bike-becomes-reality
[11:58] <Pendulum> TheOpenSourcerer: I'm considering trying paleo as I have friends who've had amazing luck with it not just for weight, but for overall health. I decided it was a possible thing to try after I found a recipe for a paleo-diet-friendly chocolate cake. Otherwise I've had my best luck with Weight Watchers, especially if I ignore their suggestion for carb levels and go lower carb, higher protein. But even falling off WW pretty spectacularly post-surg
[12:08] <dwatkins> I just started a low-carb diet, seems to be working fine so far: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Neris-Indias-Idiot-Proof-Diet-From/dp/0141027436
[12:08] <dwatkins> Carbs raise insulin levels, which causes the body to store fat more.
[12:09] <dwatkins> It's less about how much you eat than what you eat.
[12:36] <Pendulum> dwatkins: out of curiousity have you gotten the "carb flu" from your diet?
[12:39] <dwatkins> Pendulum: no, but I've been travelling, and havn't been able to stick to it strictly yet.
[17:45] <bigcalm_laptop> Ello :)
[17:53] <popey> bug 1040206
[18:59] <Dave2> This channel has a nice round number of people in it
[19:00] <penguin42> 2^power of the people
[19:00] <DJones> 128 is a round number?
[19:00] <penguin42> very
[19:02] <penguin42> DJones: It's 2^7
[19:03] <penguin42> bah, someone's spoiled it
[19:09] <AlanBell> anyone got any further thoughts on places to go for a christmas event? https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-uk/2012-August/034895.html
[19:44] <SuperEngineer> hmmm... concerned: downloaded the iso from the "Get Ubuntu Now" link on homepage. lsb_release shows what I thought it might from the iso name... it's still 12.04[.0]
[19:44] <SuperEngineer> I thougfht 12.04.1 was now current?
[19:46] <SuperEngineer> [can someone give popey a nudge towards that & do canonical a favour pretty please]
[19:47] <popey> nope
[19:47] <popey> tomorrow is 12.04.1 day
[19:47] <zleap> ohh
[19:47] <zleap> cool
[19:47] <SuperEngineer> hah so
[19:48] <SuperEngineer> thanks popey - thought it was already official from the hype
[19:48] <popey> heh
[19:49] <zleap> popey, i may download then so i install the latest version
[19:50] <popey> its only 12.04 with updates
[19:50] <popey> so if you already have 12.04 and update it, you're already running 12.04.1
[19:51] <AlanBell> it is not a terribly exciting release, it just means if you happen to be installing 12.04 from tomorrow onwards you don't have as big an update as soon as it is installed
[19:51] <popey> 12.10 though... thats very exciting! :D
[19:52] <SuperEngineer> AlanBell: it just means when I update sister's pooter she doesn't huff & puff watching massive updates... that makes it life preserving ;)
[19:53] <AlanBell> not really
[19:53] <AlanBell> it is just a one-shot benefit
[19:53] <AlanBell> 12.10 is exciting, but it isn't the least bit exciting in virtualbox at the moment :(
[19:54] <SuperEngineer> [so is a cpr machine]  ...same purpose ;)
[19:57] <SuperEngineer> medic to patient: look this cpr kit is a one shot cure, or would you like to stay here while we pray for you
[20:08] <popey> AlanBell, bug 1040240
[20:08] <popey> can you confirm that
[20:21] <AlanBell> I will try the workaround on bug 1021104
[20:27] <bigcalm_laptop> Hi kids
[20:27] <brobostigon> hi bigcalm_laptop
[20:28] <bigcalm_laptop> What have I been missing while in noisy London?
[20:36] <AlanBell> popey: so with the workaround (full screen redraws every frame) I am seeing llvmpipe rendered unity 3d?
[20:43] <bigcalm_laptop> Silly nickserv
[20:44] <penguin42> bigcalm_laptop: Yes, it just prodded me as well
[20:45] <SuperEngineer> Nickserve is now known as Nickserve___11456332ti8w34-femjszbdp;ko   ;)
[20:45] <popey> yes AlanBell
[20:46] <AlanBell> popey: I am pretty impressed by the performance then
[20:46] <popey> it's going to get a bit better
[20:46] <AlanBell> should be better without doing the full redraws
[20:46] <popey> yeah, but what CPU do you have?
[20:46] <AlanBell> core i3 mobile
[20:46] <popey> which has a 3d capable GPU
[20:46] <ahayzen> Hi, does anyone know what the crossover resolution is between when the dash is fullscreen as default and when it isn't? Many Thanks, Andy
[20:47] <AlanBell> model name: Intel(R) Core(TM) i3 CPU       M 330  @ 2.13GHz
[20:47] <bigcalm_> Hotel wifi is so bad I'm better off with my 3g connection
[20:47] <popey> ahayzen, yeah, it's in our tests.. one mo
[20:48] <AlanBell> popey: sure, it should be good when it uses the real drivers, but I wanted to see llvmpipe working anyhow
[20:48] <bigcalm_laptop> Only good thing about London is the H+ connection I'm getting
[20:48] <popey> no, i mean, imagine you have a machine which is _not_ 3d capable
[20:48] <popey> it's likely to be older than i3
[20:48] <AlanBell> yes, probably
[20:49] <popey> ergo less performant than you're seeing
[20:49] <AlanBell> an older thing might have a decent CPU though, a server for example
[20:50] <popey> you don't find many people running desktops interactively on servers
[20:50] <ahayzen> popey, Thanks :)
[20:51] <AlanBell> sure, but there isn't much else that isn't at all 3d capable
[20:51] <popey> ahayzen, can't find it.. it's either 800x600 or 1024x768
[20:51] <popey> sure there is..
[20:51] <popey> arm
[20:51] <popey> :)
[20:52] <AlanBell> err, isn't that going to use openGL es accellerated in hardware?
[20:52] <ahayzen> popey, Thanks ... was looking at laptops and was wondering if 1366x768 would be fullscreen or not
[20:52] <ahayzen> popey, fullscreen is scary on a 1920x1080 display ;)
[20:53] <popey> oh, no
[20:53] <popey> i have 1366x768
[20:53] <Dave2> 1366x768 :(
[20:53] <popey> AlanBell, hope so, GLES should land soon
[20:53] <ahayzen> so 1366x768 is fullscreen?
[20:54] <popey> no
[20:54] <AlanBell> ahayzen: if you maximise the dash, but not normally
[20:54] <AlanBell> probably 600 vertical is the fullscreen dash by default, it then won't display the shortcut overlay on long hold of the super key either
[20:55] <ahayzen> ok cause i prefer unity in non-fullscreen :)
[20:56] <ahayzen> Thanks guys...quick response as usual :)
[21:47] <daubers> Evening
[21:48] <mgdm> Hi
[21:52] <daubers> It's late and I'm still up!
[21:52] <bigcalm_laptop> Evening
[21:52] <bigcalm_laptop> Can I go home now please?
[21:53] <bigcalm_laptop> My unit tests look fabulous, sadly I don't understand half of them
[21:54] <dwatkins> I long for unit tests.
[21:54] <bigcalm_laptop> dwatkins: you are strange then :P
[21:55] <bigcalm_laptop> mgdm: 7/9 people on our course are now using phpStorm. I'm using the demo, seems quite nice. Any experience yourself?
[21:55] <dwatkins> bigcalm_laptop: imagine a large application with some changes made to it, the 'QE' team test the functionality immediately surrounding those changes, but don't notice something else that's affected because it's further away
[21:56] <bigcalm_laptop> dwatkins: it's nice that you have time and budget for writing tests :D
[21:56] <dwatkins> I'm not certain unit tests would be the solution, but I feel there's something lacking there.
[21:56] <mgdm> bigcalm_laptop: no, 'cos it's quite pricey, and I'm fairly happy with Vim
[21:56] <dwatkins> bigcalm_laptop: yeah, that's probably why the entire application isn't tested. I just wish it could be done in an automated fashion so the issue which arose could have been detected
[21:59] <popey> BigRedS, how you finding sparkleshare?
[22:00] <daubers> http://ubuntuone.com/367PRPf2OdLpB5fEq5QXve <- An evening well spent
[22:02] <bigcalm_laptop> Silly t-mobile
[22:12] <dwatkins> very nice, daubers :)
[22:12]  * dwatkins wishes he still lived in Reading so he could join in
[22:14] <BigRedS> popey: Just filed a bug, pondering another :)
[22:14] <BigRedS> but it works once set up
[22:14] <BigRedS> quite like it
[22:14] <BigRedS> While I'm here, though, Launchpad tells me that Sparkleshare bugs go in Gnome's bugzilla, but the Sparkleshare site says to file them on GitHub. Where should I point this out?
[22:15] <bigcalm_laptop> File a bug
[22:15]  * bigcalm_laptop hides
[22:16]  * bigcalm_laptop feels as helpful as davmor2
[22:18] <bigcalm_laptop> popey: can you make this? :) http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/1906/detail/
[22:20]  * popey clicks
[22:24] <popey> I'll tell you once I get past the launchpad oops :)
[22:28] <bigcalm_laptop> :D
[22:32]  * bigcalm_laptop slithers off to bed
[22:43] <dutchie> o/