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thafreakinstalled updates on my linux mint 12 laptop...rebooted...they changed the desktop completely15:27
thafreakwtf15:28
yano:o15:28
thafreaki was all used to how it used to work, then they up and change it all on me...15:28
paultagwhat is it now?15:28
thafreakone of their new mate or cinnamon or something15:28
thafreakit doesn't act at all like gnome315:28
thafreakthe one I had was like half gnome3, half gnome215:29
thafreaknoe it's like straight oldschool gnome215:29
paultaglegit15:29
thafreakbut i didn't tell it to do that...not cool15:29
paultagit's mint15:29
paultagthey know what you want15:29
thafreakyeah...they knew I was about to re-install :)15:29
thafreaki was going to fresh install mint 13...but not sure now15:30
thafreakAnyone have linux with hdmi audio working? If so, which distro?15:30
paultagDebian works with that15:31
paultagat least on the Pi15:31
thafreaknice, that's good to know15:32
paultaghttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgYkpk9nJnE15:32
paultagsweet daddy yankee15:32
thafreakI think my CC just got charged by Allied Electronics for my pi order15:32
thafreakwhere can i buy a viewtron15:37
paultaginorite?15:37
thafreaki think this guy is who jack donaghe character is based...15:38
thafreakused netboot installer to set uop new temp desktop for myself...15:40
thafreakcouldn't decide which desktop to install15:40
thafreakso I installed them all15:40
paultagfail15:40
thafreakwell, except for kubuntu15:40
thafreakjust xfce, lxde, and reg unity or whatever15:40
thafreakmeh, I like variety :)15:40
paultagdebian + hairy candy15:41
thafreakwhat's that again....awesome based15:41
paultagyeah15:41
paultag@ http://archive.pault.ag/15:41
thafreakno thanks15:41
thafreakimma play some games on this bitch15:41
paultagI don't get it :)15:41
paultagyou can float windows15:41
paultagand it can do full-screen correctly15:41
thafreakdon't really feel like learning a new windowing paradigm...unity was exhausting enough15:42
thafreakhence the reason I put xfce and lxde on here15:42
* paultag shrugs15:42
paultaglxde is bleh15:42
paultagxfce is great15:42
thafreakmaybe later...when i have free time...15:42
thafreakso like when I'm retired15:42
thafreakwhich I originally wanted to be almost retired by now...15:43
thafreaknot seeming to make my life goals happen15:43
paultagi'll be retired soon enough15:43
thafreakinstead, I'm trying to setup Alfresco, and a pile of other java based crap for a bunch of scientists15:43
paultagI'm such an old man15:44
thafreakso I'm thinking about setting up my own school...15:44
thafreakor more like an academy15:44
thafreakactually more like a guild15:44
thafreakfor sysadmins...15:45
thafreakso people can learn the way of sysadminery much like people of old learned carpentry or blacksmithery15:45
thafreakor farmery15:45
paultagaye15:45
thafreakor alchemy15:45
thafreakactually, it's more like alchemy15:46
paultagI wonder if I can retire by 30.15:46
thafreakgood luck15:46
thafreaki have a friend who did...15:46
thafreakfor a while15:46
thafreakbut he had a better paying job than you...and nothing to do with his money15:46
paultagthafreak: I'm about to buy a condo in the next few months, I think.15:46
paultagI should be able to pay that off quickly enough15:47
thafreakthen you won't retire for a while :)15:47
thafreakuh huh...15:47
paultagmove to ohio15:47
thafreakpaying it off is only half the battle15:47
paultagmeh15:47
thafreakneed income to pay for repairs/maintenance15:47
paultagI am more then able15:47
thafreakowning sucks15:47
paultagI worked consturction15:47
paultagthere's not much I can't do15:48
thafreakso you won't be retired, you'll just be a handyman...15:48
thafreakpart time15:48
paultagnot bad.15:48
paultagI'd be fine with that15:48
thafreakthen do it15:48
thafreakdon't get in a relationship though15:48
thafreakever15:48
thafreakor you won't retire till your 60+15:49
paultagmmm.15:49
thafreakyou need to be celebit in order  to retire by 30 I think15:49
Cheri703....15:50
thafreakyou might be able to pull off 35-40, if you're at least sterrile15:50
thafreakwhat, tesla was celebit...that dude was badass15:50
Cheri703yeah, you'd think that "I make $x, <significant other> makes $y, therefore together we should have $(x+y)!" but...that doesn't ever seem to happen15:51
paultagyar15:51
paultagbecause expenses go up a bit :)15:51
paultag(dates, gifts, etc)15:51
thafreakyep, plus more people who rely on you, more income you need...bigger house, extra cars...blah15:51
thafreakwell yeah, that too15:51
paultagI'm going to stick with Porches. The kids can be stuffed in the back.15:52
thafreakthink about it...to retire by 30, you need enough money to keep you going for another 60-100years15:52
paultagerm, Porsches15:52
paultagthafreak: I'll move to Ohio15:52
Cheri703even "I have a roommate, and together as a roommate we have $(x+y) so significant other replacing roommate should be equal" yeah...no15:52
thafreakstill....15:52
paultagthafreak: sell my condo, get a mansion15:52
thafreak60+ years of income needs to be coming from somewheres15:52
paultagdrugs15:52
paultagI can sell drugs15:52
Cheri703especially if you are with someone who has VASTLY VASTLY different money habits than you >_>15:52
paultagCheri703++15:53
thafreakthen your not retired :)15:53
thafreakselling drugs is still working15:53
paultagthafreak: all the drugs will make it seem like fun15:53
* Cheri703 is a saver, husband is...not15:53
thafreakyou don't want to retire...you want to become tesla15:53
paultagmmmm.15:53
thafreakas do I...15:53
paultagI'd love to be a F/OSS hermit15:53
paultaglike Joey Hess15:53
thafreakhe worked...for himself, inventing awesome stuff15:53
paultagand joey15:54
thafreakbarely scraping by  though15:54
thafreaksame different...only not as earth shattering...15:54
thafreakbut who can live up to tesla's brain15:54
Cheri703I am trying to learn about "The Bug Genie" and set up a support workflow :s15:57
thafreakpaultag: your new mission, build a viewtron style UI using curses or something for the PI...15:59
thafreakbug genie? is it f/oss?15:59
thafreakpaultag: call the project: rasptron16:00
Cheri703yeah www.thebuggenie.com16:00
thafreakrasptron 200016:00
thafreakI'm looking for a good general ticket system16:00
Cheri703I don't know if this is good yet, but it's got LOTS of features :)16:00
Cheri703looks pretty decent16:00
paultagthafreak: hahaha16:01
paultagthat'd be boss16:01
thafreakyes...yes it would16:01
thafreakhmm...might give bug genie a try for work16:02
thafreakso, it's not just bug tracking, it's basically project management too16:04
thafreakbasically, it seems to be a php version of trac16:04
thafreakI'm not happy with redmine...maybe this will be better than redmine...that would be awesome16:05
thafreakI know I've asked this before, but what is everyone's graphics card preferences these days...17:03
thafreaklooking to get a pci-e 16x card, lower end, no more than $5017:04
thafreaki know nvidia's exist at that price, but is AMD better?17:04
canthus13Depends on what you're wanting it for. you can definitely find an intel card in that range. (Yes. intel.. I have an MSI X3000 card...)17:21
canthus13There are quadros that price... they're used, though.17:22
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TheMasterGuest53503: Mind if I ask why debian testing/unstable switched wget to gnutls rather than openssl?23:14
Guest53503TheMaster: license issues, why, what's up23:15
Guest53503omg I'm a guest23:15
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TheMasterWas wondering, have more issues with that one so recompiled and figured maybe I should finally ask.23:15
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Guest94632the fsck23:16
TheMasterNeed to identify, services were doen.23:16
TheMasterdown.23:16
Guest94632oh, aye23:16
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taggerdoodlesthis'll do until nickserv stops acting up23:17
TheMasterIt's good now, though you may need /ns release paultag mylittlepony23:18
taggerdoodlesaye23:18
TheMasterChances of it going back to openssl?23:18
taggerdoodlesTheMaster: http://people.gnome.org/~markmc/openssl-and-the-gpl.html23:19
taggerdoodlesTheMaster: OpenSSL can't be used with GPGPL code23:19
canthus13taggerdoodles... Heh.23:19
taggerdoodlesdue to a advertiseing thigner23:19
taggerdoodlesfucking lag23:20
taggerdoodlescanthus13: :)23:20
taggerdoodlescanthus13: and old nick of mine23:20
taggerdoodlesTheMaster: rebuilding for personal use is just fine, since you don't redistrib23:20
TheMasterOther than scp. ;)23:21
TheMasterAnd dang.23:21
taggerdoodlesTheMaster: (and neither clasuse kicks in)23:21
taggerdoodlesclause*23:21
taggerdoodlesTheMaster: I can help you write an apt-get source script to rebuild with openssl if you need to23:21
taggerdoodlesbut it won't be distributed like that, since it's not legal23:21
TheMasterThough you may not like it, I built 1.14 with openssl on sid, and put it on wheezy.23:22
taggerdoodleshehehe23:22
taggerdoodlesyou know sbuild works, aye? :)23:22
taggerdoodlesit'll be fine now that're in freeze for the most part, th23:23
TheMaster.14 because I need a feature, and openssl becuase gnutls had a few issues with some sites, namely https://wiki.ubuntu.com23:23
taggerdoodlesaye23:23
TheMasterpianobar, with a couple others and now wget I build, so not much.23:25
taggerdoodlesTheMaster: if you install all your build-deps, and replace gnutls with openssl, you should be able to apt-get source package --compile23:25
taggerdoodlesTheMaster: then dpkg -i the resulting deb23:25
taggerdoodlesshould23:26
taggerdoodlesnot sure what wonky shit some other maintainers do23:26
TheMasterThat's at least worth a try in a VM, I put openssl in the ./configure options.23:26
taggerdoodlesyeah, you might have to23:27
andygraybeal_so scp isn't going to be in ubuntu?23:27
taggerdoodlesbut iirc they're compat23:27
andygraybeal_i'm confused!23:27
taggerdoodlesandygraybeal_: I doubt seriously we'd loose scp23:27
andygraybeal_what all are we losing?23:28
taggerdoodlesI dunno23:29
taggerdoodlesnothing, I think23:29
taggerdoodlesthis thing has existed for a long time23:29
andygraybeal_ah nevermind then im' confused.23:29
andygraybeal_ignore me :)23:29
taggerdoodleskk23:29
taggerdoodles/ignore andygraybeal_ ALL23:29
andygraybeal_ahhah23:29
* taggerdoodles updates desktop-base23:29
TheMasters/andygraybeal_/*!*@ubuntu/member/unit193/23:29
taggerdoodles:)23:30
TheMasterWould do you good....23:30
TheMaster:D23:30
TheMastertaggerdoodles: Is there a chance that I could get gnutls working with the sites that it currently doesn't?  Or should I actually look this up? ;)23:33
taggerdoodlesTheMaster: I don't know -- I've never had a problem with it, and I only know of the legal issues because of the DD bootcamp23:33
taggerdoodlesI can research it in an hour or two if it's really a problem23:34
TheMasterwget -dO /dev/null https://wiki.ubuntu.com  for example, I hit it in wheezy and sid, though wheezy will have another issue because of SNI.23:34
taggerdoodlesERROR: The certificate of `wiki.ubuntu.com' is not trusted.23:35
taggerdoodlesThe certificate's owner does not match hostname `wiki.ubuntu.com'23:35
taggerdoodleshahaha, cool23:35
TheMasterSecond isn't a real problem.23:35

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