[15:27] <thafreak> installed updates on my linux mint 12 laptop...rebooted...they changed the desktop completely
[15:28] <thafreak> wtf
[15:28] <yano> :o
[15:28] <thafreak> i was all used to how it used to work, then they up and change it all on me...
[15:28] <paultag> what is it now?
[15:28] <thafreak> one of their new mate or cinnamon or something
[15:28] <thafreak> it doesn't act at all like gnome3
[15:29] <thafreak> the one I had was like half gnome3, half gnome2
[15:29] <thafreak> noe it's like straight oldschool gnome2
[15:29] <paultag> legit
[15:29] <thafreak> but i didn't tell it to do that...not cool
[15:29] <paultag> it's mint
[15:29] <paultag> they know what you want
[15:29] <thafreak> yeah...they knew I was about to re-install :)
[15:30] <thafreak> i was going to fresh install mint 13...but not sure now
[15:30] <thafreak> Anyone have linux with hdmi audio working? If so, which distro?
[15:31] <paultag> Debian works with that
[15:31] <paultag> at least on the Pi
[15:32] <thafreak> nice, that's good to know
[15:32] <paultag> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgYkpk9nJnE
[15:32] <paultag> sweet daddy yankee
[15:32] <thafreak> I think my CC just got charged by Allied Electronics for my pi order
[15:37] <thafreak> where can i buy a viewtron
[15:37] <paultag> inorite?
[15:38] <thafreak> i think this guy is who jack donaghe character is based...
[15:40] <thafreak> used netboot installer to set uop new temp desktop for myself...
[15:40] <thafreak> couldn't decide which desktop to install
[15:40] <thafreak> so I installed them all
[15:40] <paultag> fail
[15:40] <thafreak> well, except for kubuntu
[15:40] <thafreak> just xfce, lxde, and reg unity or whatever
[15:40] <thafreak> meh, I like variety :)
[15:41] <paultag> debian + hairy candy
[15:41] <thafreak> what's that again....awesome based
[15:41] <paultag> yeah
[15:41] <paultag> @ http://archive.pault.ag/
[15:41] <thafreak> no thanks
[15:41] <thafreak> imma play some games on this bitch
[15:41] <paultag> I don't get it :)
[15:41] <paultag> you can float windows
[15:41] <paultag> and it can do full-screen correctly
[15:42] <thafreak> don't really feel like learning a new windowing paradigm...unity was exhausting enough
[15:42] <thafreak> hence the reason I put xfce and lxde on here
[15:42]  * paultag shrugs
[15:42] <paultag> lxde is bleh
[15:42] <paultag> xfce is great
[15:42] <thafreak> maybe later...when i have free time...
[15:42] <thafreak> so like when I'm retired
[15:43] <thafreak> which I originally wanted to be almost retired by now...
[15:43] <thafreak> not seeming to make my life goals happen
[15:43] <paultag> i'll be retired soon enough
[15:43] <thafreak> instead, I'm trying to setup Alfresco, and a pile of other java based crap for a bunch of scientists
[15:44] <paultag> I'm such an old man
[15:44] <thafreak> so I'm thinking about setting up my own school...
[15:44] <thafreak> or more like an academy
[15:44] <thafreak> actually more like a guild
[15:45] <thafreak> for sysadmins...
[15:45] <thafreak> so people can learn the way of sysadminery much like people of old learned carpentry or blacksmithery
[15:45] <thafreak> or farmery
[15:45] <paultag> aye
[15:45] <thafreak> or alchemy
[15:46] <thafreak> actually, it's more like alchemy
[15:46] <paultag> I wonder if I can retire by 30.
[15:46] <thafreak> good luck
[15:46] <thafreak> i have a friend who did...
[15:46] <thafreak> for a while
[15:46] <thafreak> but he had a better paying job than you...and nothing to do with his money
[15:46] <paultag> thafreak: I'm about to buy a condo in the next few months, I think.
[15:47] <paultag> I should be able to pay that off quickly enough
[15:47] <thafreak> then you won't retire for a while :)
[15:47] <thafreak> uh huh...
[15:47] <paultag> move to ohio
[15:47] <thafreak> paying it off is only half the battle
[15:47] <paultag> meh
[15:47] <thafreak> need income to pay for repairs/maintenance
[15:47] <paultag> I am more then able
[15:47] <thafreak> owning sucks
[15:47] <paultag> I worked consturction
[15:48] <paultag> there's not much I can't do
[15:48] <thafreak> so you won't be retired, you'll just be a handyman...
[15:48] <thafreak> part time
[15:48] <paultag> not bad.
[15:48] <paultag> I'd be fine with that
[15:48] <thafreak> then do it
[15:48] <thafreak> don't get in a relationship though
[15:48] <thafreak> ever
[15:49] <thafreak> or you won't retire till your 60+
[15:49] <paultag> mmm.
[15:49] <thafreak> you need to be celebit in order  to retire by 30 I think
[15:50] <Cheri703> ....
[15:50] <thafreak> you might be able to pull off 35-40, if you're at least sterrile
[15:50] <thafreak> what, tesla was celebit...that dude was badass
[15:51] <Cheri703> yeah, you'd think that "I make $x, <significant other> makes $y, therefore together we should have $(x+y)!" but...that doesn't ever seem to happen
[15:51] <paultag> yar
[15:51] <paultag> because expenses go up a bit :)
[15:51] <paultag> (dates, gifts, etc)
[15:51] <thafreak> yep, plus more people who rely on you, more income you need...bigger house, extra cars...blah
[15:51] <thafreak> well yeah, that too
[15:52] <paultag> I'm going to stick with Porches. The kids can be stuffed in the back.
[15:52] <thafreak> think about it...to retire by 30, you need enough money to keep you going for another 60-100years
[15:52] <paultag> erm, Porsches
[15:52] <paultag> thafreak: I'll move to Ohio
[15:52] <Cheri703> even "I have a roommate, and together as a roommate we have $(x+y) so significant other replacing roommate should be equal" yeah...no
[15:52] <thafreak> still....
[15:52] <paultag> thafreak: sell my condo, get a mansion
[15:52] <thafreak> 60+ years of income needs to be coming from somewheres
[15:52] <paultag> drugs
[15:52] <paultag> I can sell drugs
[15:52] <Cheri703> especially if you are with someone who has VASTLY VASTLY different money habits than you >_>
[15:53] <paultag> Cheri703++
[15:53] <thafreak> then your not retired :)
[15:53] <thafreak> selling drugs is still working
[15:53] <paultag> thafreak: all the drugs will make it seem like fun
[15:53]  * Cheri703 is a saver, husband is...not
[15:53] <thafreak> you don't want to retire...you want to become tesla
[15:53] <paultag> mmmm.
[15:53] <thafreak> as do I...
[15:53] <paultag> I'd love to be a F/OSS hermit
[15:53] <paultag> like Joey Hess
[15:53] <thafreak> he worked...for himself, inventing awesome stuff
[15:54] <paultag> and joey
[15:54] <thafreak> barely scraping by  though
[15:54] <thafreak> same different...only not as earth shattering...
[15:54] <thafreak> but who can live up to tesla's brain
[15:57] <Cheri703> I am trying to learn about "The Bug Genie" and set up a support workflow :s
[15:59] <thafreak> paultag: your new mission, build a viewtron style UI using curses or something for the PI...
[15:59] <thafreak> bug genie? is it f/oss?
[16:00] <thafreak> paultag: call the project: rasptron
[16:00] <Cheri703> yeah www.thebuggenie.com
[16:00] <thafreak> rasptron 2000
[16:00] <thafreak> I'm looking for a good general ticket system
[16:00] <Cheri703> I don't know if this is good yet, but it's got LOTS of features :)
[16:00] <Cheri703> looks pretty decent
[16:01] <paultag> thafreak: hahaha
[16:01] <paultag> that'd be boss
[16:01] <thafreak> yes...yes it would
[16:02] <thafreak> hmm...might give bug genie a try for work
[16:04] <thafreak> so, it's not just bug tracking, it's basically project management too
[16:04] <thafreak> basically, it seems to be a php version of trac
[16:05] <thafreak> I'm not happy with redmine...maybe this will be better than redmine...that would be awesome
[17:03] <thafreak> I know I've asked this before, but what is everyone's graphics card preferences these days...
[17:04] <thafreak> looking to get a pci-e 16x card, lower end, no more than $50
[17:04] <thafreak> i know nvidia's exist at that price, but is AMD better?
[17:21] <canthus13> Depends on what you're wanting it for. you can definitely find an intel card in that range. (Yes. intel.. I have an MSI X3000 card...)
[17:22] <canthus13> There are quadros that price... they're used, though.
[23:14] <TheMaster> Guest53503: Mind if I ask why debian testing/unstable switched wget to gnutls rather than openssl?
[23:15] <Guest53503> TheMaster: license issues, why, what's up
[23:15] <Guest53503> omg I'm a guest
[23:15] <TheMaster> Was wondering, have more issues with that one so recompiled and figured maybe I should finally ask.
[23:16] <Guest94632> the fsck
[23:16] <TheMaster> Need to identify, services were doen.
[23:16] <TheMaster> down.
[23:16] <Guest94632> oh, aye
[23:17] <taggerdoodles> this'll do until nickserv stops acting up
[23:18] <TheMaster> It's good now, though you may need /ns release paultag mylittlepony
[23:18] <taggerdoodles> aye
[23:18] <TheMaster> Chances of it going back to openssl?
[23:19] <taggerdoodles> TheMaster: http://people.gnome.org/~markmc/openssl-and-the-gpl.html
[23:19] <taggerdoodles> TheMaster: OpenSSL can't be used with GPGPL code
[23:19] <canthus13> taggerdoodles... Heh.
[23:19] <taggerdoodles> due to a advertiseing thigner
[23:20] <taggerdoodles> fucking lag
[23:20] <taggerdoodles> canthus13: :)
[23:20] <taggerdoodles> canthus13: and old nick of mine
[23:20] <taggerdoodles> TheMaster: rebuilding for personal use is just fine, since you don't redistrib
[23:21] <TheMaster> Other than scp. ;)
[23:21] <TheMaster> And dang.
[23:21] <taggerdoodles> TheMaster: (and neither clasuse kicks in)
[23:21] <taggerdoodles> clause*
[23:21] <taggerdoodles> TheMaster: I can help you write an apt-get source script to rebuild with openssl if you need to
[23:21] <taggerdoodles> but it won't be distributed like that, since it's not legal
[23:22] <TheMaster> Though you may not like it, I built 1.14 with openssl on sid, and put it on wheezy.
[23:22] <taggerdoodles> hehehe
[23:22] <taggerdoodles> you know sbuild works, aye? :)
[23:23] <taggerdoodles> it'll be fine now that're in freeze for the most part, th	
[23:23] <TheMaster> .14 because I need a feature, and openssl becuase gnutls had a few issues with some sites, namely https://wiki.ubuntu.com
[23:23] <taggerdoodles> aye
[23:25] <TheMaster> pianobar, with a couple others and now wget I build, so not much.
[23:25] <taggerdoodles> TheMaster: if you install all your build-deps, and replace gnutls with openssl, you should be able to apt-get source package --compile
[23:25] <taggerdoodles> TheMaster: then dpkg -i the resulting deb
[23:26] <taggerdoodles> should
[23:26] <taggerdoodles> not sure what wonky shit some other maintainers do
[23:26] <TheMaster> That's at least worth a try in a VM, I put openssl in the ./configure options.
[23:27] <taggerdoodles> yeah, you might have to
[23:27] <andygraybeal_> so scp isn't going to be in ubuntu?
[23:27] <taggerdoodles> but iirc they're compat
[23:27] <andygraybeal_> i'm confused!
[23:27] <taggerdoodles> andygraybeal_: I doubt seriously we'd loose scp
[23:28] <andygraybeal_> what all are we losing?
[23:29] <taggerdoodles> I dunno
[23:29] <taggerdoodles> nothing, I think
[23:29] <taggerdoodles> this thing has existed for a long time
[23:29] <andygraybeal_> ah nevermind then im' confused.
[23:29] <andygraybeal_> ignore me :)
[23:29] <taggerdoodles> kk
[23:29] <taggerdoodles> /ignore andygraybeal_ ALL
[23:29] <andygraybeal_> ahhah
[23:29]  * taggerdoodles updates desktop-base
[23:29] <TheMaster> s/andygraybeal_/*!*@ubuntu/member/unit193/
[23:30] <taggerdoodles> :)
[23:30] <TheMaster> Would do you good....
[23:30] <TheMaster> :D
[23:33] <TheMaster> taggerdoodles: Is there a chance that I could get gnutls working with the sites that it currently doesn't?  Or should I actually look this up? ;)
[23:33] <taggerdoodles> TheMaster: I don't know -- I've never had a problem with it, and I only know of the legal issues because of the DD bootcamp
[23:34] <taggerdoodles> I can research it in an hour or two if it's really a problem
[23:34] <TheMaster> wget -dO /dev/null https://wiki.ubuntu.com  for example, I hit it in wheezy and sid, though wheezy will have another issue because of SNI.
[23:35] <taggerdoodles> ERROR: The certificate of `wiki.ubuntu.com' is not trusted.
[23:35] <taggerdoodles> The certificate's owner does not match hostname `wiki.ubuntu.com'
[23:35] <taggerdoodles> hahaha, cool
[23:35] <TheMaster> Second isn't a real problem.