| bkerensa | yay | 00:12 |
|---|---|---|
| bkerensa | about page update | 00:12 |
| c_smith | bkerensa, which page update? | 01:46 |
| c_smith | :P | 01:46 |
| c_smith | also, E17 is nice. | 01:47 |
| === zenlinux_ is now known as zenlinux | ||
| cy1 | anyone know of a program that can visualize a graph with both directed and undirected edges? | 05:13 |
| bkerensa | nathwill: so I guess Debian beering isactually today | 16:53 |
| * nathwill nods | 16:58 | |
| bkerensa | nathwill: you going still? | 17:23 |
| nathwill | lolz | 17:49 |
| bkerensa_ | nathwill: so I guess I will be going tonight | 18:15 |
| nathwill | :) | 18:15 |
| nathwill | good! | 18:16 |
| bkerensa_ | TRAVISg: you coming tonight? | 18:17 |
| bkerensa_ | :D | 18:17 |
| bkerensa_ | I think it was actually znc being slow ;p | 18:17 |
| === zenlinux_ is now known as zenlinux | ||
| === Odenthaa is now known as Odysimus | ||
| bkerensa_ | sbeattie / bdmurray: You guys coming to beer tonight? | 21:37 |
| bkerensa_ | or Ginger Ale :) | 21:37 |
| bdmurray | bkerensa_: not I | 21:37 |
| === bkerensa_ is now known as bkerensa | ||
| sbeattie | me either. | 21:38 |
| bkerensa | kk | 21:38 |
| c_smith | how's it going? | 21:52 |
| c_smith | anyone here mind giving me their take on my choice of replacement PC's (that will run Ubuntu)? | 21:53 |
| tgm4883 | c_smith, only if you post it | 21:57 |
| c_smith | alright, let me get the links. | 21:57 |
| c_smith | it's a tie between http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834246328 | 21:57 |
| c_smith | and http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834246219 | 21:57 |
| c_smith | would like input on that. | 21:57 |
| bkerensa | c_smith: I thought you just got a new computer? :) | 22:04 |
| c_smith | nope, been working on it, though. | 22:04 |
| c_smith | bkerensa, hopefully I can work something out for that. | 22:05 |
| c_smith | still working on my beat up old laptop. | 22:05 |
| tgm4883 | I'm always a fan of more ram, and I don't know the difference between the two processors | 22:10 |
| c_smith | alright. | 22:10 |
| tgm4883 | Might want to try and find out the wireless chipset and such | 22:10 |
| tgm4883 | other than that, slightly more expensive laptop is slightly better | 22:10 |
| c_smith | ok | 22:11 |
| c_smith | tgm4883, if the driver is listed as Broadcom, would it be safe to say it's one of those? | 22:13 |
| tgm4883 | c_smith, I usually like to do a google search for "ubuntu <laptop>" | 22:16 |
| c_smith | alright. | 22:16 |
| tgm4883 | then read recent stuff like http://thecomputersarewinning.com/post/Ubuntu-Lenovo-IdeaPad-U400/ | 22:16 |
| tgm4883 | and http://www.lagserv.net/wp/2011/12/wireless-and-ubuntu-linux-on-the-lenovo-ideapad-u400/ | 22:16 |
| tgm4883 | the Z575 seems to have more people with issues | 22:17 |
| c_smith | alright. | 22:18 |
| MaskilPDX | I have been only upgrading my kernel when it's released by Ubuntu. I see that 3.5.2 is out. I am running 3.2.0-29-generic-pae | 22:18 |
| MaskilPDX | Should I manually upgrade, or just wait | 22:19 |
| tgm4883 | MaskilPDX, do you need 3.5.2? | 22:19 |
| MaskilPDX | That's the question, is it something I need? | 22:20 |
| bkerensa | tgm4883: u coming to debian beering tonight? :) | 22:21 |
| tgm4883 | bkerensa, nope | 22:21 |
| bkerensa | if u left now u could make it | 22:21 |
| tgm4883 | MaskilPDX, nope | 22:21 |
| MaskilPDX | Cool | 22:21 |
| MaskilPDX | Thanks tgm4883 | 22:21 |
| tgm4883 | MaskilPDX, I mean, I can't 100% answer that for you, but you are going to get security updates with 3.2.x | 22:22 |
| tgm4883 | eventually 3.5.2 will make it into precise, but that would probably just get new features/hardware support | 22:22 |
| nathwill | c_smith, i've heard some awkward things about the ideapads | 22:23 |
| MaskilPDX | ok, as to not break anything, I will wait. | 22:23 |
| bkerensa | I hope we see some backporting in 12.10 | 22:23 |
| bkerensa | nathwill: I think slangasek has one... | 22:23 |
| tgm4883 | bkerensa, backporting in 12.10, or from 12.10? | 22:23 |
| bkerensa | he has some kind of lenovo | 22:23 |
| MaskilPDX | I am cool with adding/removing apps, but messing with the kernal makes me nervious | 22:23 |
| bkerensa | tgm4883: from 13.04 to to 12.10 | 22:24 |
| bkerensa | ^ he just messed with the kernel | 22:24 |
| bkerensa | :) | 22:24 |
| bkerensa | c_smith: Here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZPgMeF4YZM | 22:24 |
| tgm4883 | bkerensa, ah | 22:24 |
| tgm4883 | bkerensa, IDK if they are going to do that for non-LTS releases | 22:25 |
| bkerensa | yeah | 22:25 |
| bkerensa | =/ | 22:25 |
| bkerensa | well Kernels are going rolling I hear | 22:25 |
| bkerensa | :) | 22:25 |
| tgm4883 | it seems like there is a LOT more effort to make running LTS only feasible | 22:25 |
| bkerensa | nathwill: Acct Mgr job is gone :P | 22:27 |
| nathwill | hrm | 22:27 |
| nathwill | there was another job i saw there that i thought you might be interested in | 22:28 |
| nathwill | lemme see if i can find it | 22:28 |
| bkerensa | nathwill: I would do the Cus Care III | 22:28 |
| bkerensa | :) | 22:28 |
| bkerensa | nathwill: well I will see you at Lucky Lab... I need to start getting ready to head out that way :) | 22:30 |
| nathwill | the DAM job looks good too | 22:30 |
| nathwill | alrighty | 22:30 |
| nathwill | tgm4883, how is running lts more effort? | 22:32 |
| c_smith | if I can't find a single issue on google about a particular laptop, would that be a good thing or a bad thing? | 22:34 |
| c_smith | about a particular laptop and ubuntu, that is. | 22:34 |
| nathwill | c_smith: neutral! | 22:34 |
| c_smith | alright. | 22:34 |
| slangasek | bkerensa: an ideapad? God forbid | 22:34 |
| c_smith | right now I'm looking at an Acer Aspire | 22:34 |
| c_smith | in case anyone is curious, this is the Acer Aspire i'm talking about: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834215411 | 22:41 |
| bkerensa | nathwill: I am bringing some gadgets to giveaway :) a minipc and a arduino kit :) | 22:41 |
| nathwill | rofl | 22:43 |
| nathwill | no helicopter? | 22:43 |
| c_smith | think he's gone. | 22:48 |
| bkerensa | nathwill: you are going to hit so much traffic :P | 23:01 |
| nathwill | bkerensa, yes, i will | 23:02 |
| nathwill | but i don't get off until 6, so.. | 23:02 |
| bkerensa | :) | 23:02 |
| bkerensa | oh | 23:02 |
| bkerensa | lol | 23:02 |
| bkerensa | nathwill: I dont know if you will make it at all then :) | 23:03 |
| bkerensa | lol | 23:03 |
| bkerensa | usually only lasts a hour or so | 23:03 |
| bkerensa | :) | 23:03 |
| nathwill | oh | 23:04 |
| nathwill | well | 23:04 |
| bkerensa | nathwill: I'm just jiving you :) | 23:04 |
| bkerensa | spreading a little FUD ;p | 23:04 |
| nathwill | boo | 23:04 |
| bkerensa | Looks like I wont be able to make it | 23:10 |
| bkerensa | >.< | 23:10 |
| bkerensa | great success :) found what I needed | 23:13 |
| nathwill | noticed we were missing a calagator event, so added: http://calagator.org/events/1250462771 | 23:25 |
| nathwill | cloned from the last one | 23:25 |
| tgm4883 | nathwill, if you buy hardware that isn't supported in the LTS | 23:28 |
| tgm4883 | nathwill, if you want to upgrade an application and get new features in an LTS | 23:28 |
| nathwill | tgm4883, backports don't cover both of those? | 23:31 |
| tgm4883 | nathwill, I don't think backports covers new hardware | 23:31 |
| nathwill | tgm4883, hardware enablement is explicitly blessed motive for SRU's... | 23:32 |
| nathwill | so that should be coming back | 23:32 |
| tgm4883 | nathwill, new kernels are being backported to LTS releases. That is a new thing | 23:32 |
| tgm4883 | backports also isn't enabled by default I think | 23:33 |
| nathwill | i just don't see where it's a lot more effort. (granted i'm generally running the alpha/beta because i'm twitchy like that) | 23:34 |
| nathwill | but from my understanding, those shouldn't be big issues in an lts | 23:35 |
| nathwill | the new software thing i think we talked about yesterday | 23:37 |
| nathwill | new apps rather, to be more specific | 23:37 |
| tgm4883 | nathwill, compare 12.04 to 10.04 | 23:40 |
| tgm4883 | 10.04 was much harder to do that stuff in for an average user | 23:40 |
| tgm4883 | nathwill, the next thing that needs to go is specifying which release you are targeting | 23:42 |
| tgm4883 | I shouldn't need to build a source package 4 times just to support 12.04, 11.10, 11.04 and 10.04 | 23:42 |
| tgm4883 | nathwill, so what canonical has done is made it a lot easier for a user to run an LTS (with the advantages they have in 12.04 over what was available in 10.04), but they still have work to do to make it easier for a developer to get software into old versions | 23:43 |
| nathwill | tgm4883 i think you'd need statically linked libraries to avoid i | 23:44 |
| nathwill | t | 23:44 |
| tgm4883 | nathwill, I don't think so, it would still build binaries for each distro release | 23:44 |
| tgm4883 | but the source package shouldn't need to change much | 23:44 |
| tgm4883 | of course it would require developers to actually know what they are doing | 23:45 |
| tgm4883 | you just handle everything though dependencies. Instead of depending on packageX, you depend on packageX-VERSION (or better yet, >> packageX-VERSION) | 23:46 |
| tgm4883 | then push it to build servers, and build servers figure out what distro releases have those packages and build for all | 23:47 |
| nathwill | :/ we're stepping out of my comfort zone, but i suspect that if it was as easy as you make it sound (just procedural issues), we wouldn't be where we are | 23:47 |
| tgm4883 | nathwill, IDK about that, there is stuff in the debian spec that isn't even supported yet in debian | 23:47 |
| tgm4883 | eg. specifying multiple distro releases in a debian/changelog file for building | 23:48 |
| tgm4883 | slangasek could probably correct me if I'm wrong here, but it seems that either A) you are right and this is much harder than it should be (which is possible, I could be missing something) or B) nobody has gone though the effort to actually do it yet | 23:49 |
| tgm4883 | B is the case for the multi release spec | 23:49 |
| tgm4883 | in any case, there is need to keep building stuff for 12.04 after 12.10 is released, but I don't think developers are going to bother doing that | 23:51 |
| nathwill | i think the variety of software available for multiple releases says otherwise :/ | 23:51 |
| tgm4883 | nathwill, is there much application development going on for 10.04 or 11.10 still? | 23:54 |
| nathwill | http://packages.ubuntu.com/lucid-updates/firefox | 23:56 |
| tgm4883 | nathwill, firefox doesn't count | 23:56 |
| nathwill | orly? | 23:56 |
| tgm4883 | nathwill, anything with a MRE doesn't count | 23:57 |
| tgm4883 | Anything that the security team backports security fixes for doesn't count | 23:57 |
| tgm4883 | we're talking regular programs with new features | 23:58 |
| tgm4883 | ala. libre office | 23:58 |
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