[00:28] <Moonshiner24mUK> im now running windows 8. but it doesnt run civ 4 like i installed it to, and its a MS lock in, apple style
[00:30] <Unit193> So, is there something related to Xubuntu?
[00:31] <Moonshiner24mUK> ive done this cause the 3.5 kernal screwed ndiswrapper
[00:32] <Troy^> do any of you use any addons or extensions with xfce such as like a dock or something
[00:32] <Moonshiner24mUK> catastrophic system failiure after an upgrade to 12.10
[00:32] <Moonshiner24mUK> yes i do, i customized my panel
[00:33] <Unit193> Ah, that's still in alpha so may be more breakage.
[00:33] <Moonshiner24mUK> yep, besides i missed ableton live
[00:33] <B3rz3rk3r> hi guys, redshift crashes as soon as its opened. I tried to open it from the terminal to look for an error and got a load of nonsense back. Put that into google and cant find anything to fix this. Can anyone help?
[00:36] <Moonshiner24mUK> do you launch it as a sudo op?
[00:36] <B3rz3rk3r> no should i be?
[00:36] <Moonshiner24mUK> worth a try
[00:37] <Troy^> where is a good palce to find themes and extensions/addons for xfce?
[00:37] <B3rz3rk3r> nah same error
[00:37] <Moonshiner24mUK> i think it would adjust the xorg stuff. xorg needs superuser do privalidges
[00:37] <B3rz3rk3r> Moonshiner24mUK, the error is: GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_type_instance_get_private: assertion `instance != NULL && instance->g_class != NULL' failed
[00:38] <B3rz3rk3r> it looks like its trying to call a library and not finding it?
[00:39] <B3rz3rk3r> Troy^, try http://xfce-look.org/
[00:39] <Moonshiner24mUK> apt-cache search glib
[00:40] <Moonshiner24mUK> download corrasponding lib
[00:40] <Moonshiner24mUK> guess is libglib or something
[00:41] <B3rz3rk3r> yeah that narrows it down a bit
[00:41] <B3rz3rk3r> libglib2.0 sounds promising
[00:41] <Moonshiner24mUK> sudo apt-get install libglib2.0
[00:42] <B3rz3rk3r> yeah, already installed :/
[00:42] <David-A> Troy^: yes xfce-look.org (by the way if you didn't know, there is a search engine called google, that returns this site as first hit when asked: xfce themes)
[00:43] <B3rz3rk3r> no way David-A ! you use Google too? That's how I found it! :p
[00:43] <Troy^> i was looking to see if there was other ones that werent as obvious
[00:43] <Troy^> :S
[00:44] <B3rz3rk3r> Troy^, i heard you can grab the new greybird theme from 12.10 if you add the repo
[00:44] <Troy^> http://shimmerproject.org/project/greybird/
[00:44] <B3rz3rk3r> think i saw it on /r/linux earlier
[00:44] <B3rz3rk3r> yeah thats the one
[00:45] <Troy^> it looks very slick
[00:46] <Troy^> lots of these themes are ugly lol
[00:46] <Moonshiner24mUK> B3rz3rk3r: before i pass out on the keyboard, could you check if the redshift dependacies are filled?
[00:46] <Troy^> also how do the themes work gtk2.x? or strictly xfce? or do they both work
[00:47] <Moonshiner24mUK> http://packages.debian.org/stable/x11/redshift
[00:47] <Moonshiner24mUK> B3rz3rk3r:http://packages.debian.org/stable/x11/redshift
[00:47] <B3rz3rk3r> Moonshiner24mUK, sorry, how do i do that? is there a terminal command?
[00:48] <B3rz3rk3r> or just check against that link u sent?
[00:49] <Moonshiner24mUK> sudo apt-get install libc0.1 libc6 libx11-6 libxcb-randr0 libxcb1 libxxf86vm1
[00:50] <Moonshiner24mUK> do an aptget install using the list
[00:51] <B3rz3rk3r> Moonshiner24mUK, Package 'libc0.1' has no installation candidate.. so i guess that is the problem?
[00:52] <B3rz3rk3r> Moonshiner24mUK, However the following packages replace it: initscripts:i386 tzdata initscripts libc-bin:i386 libc-bin
[00:52] <Moonshiner24mUK> sudo apt-get install libc0.1-udeb
[00:53] <B3rz3rk3r> couldnt find it still. shall i try install the replacements?
[00:53] <Moonshiner24mUK> i think the deps are very specific
[00:53] <Moonshiner24mUK> http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/libc0.1
[00:53] <Moonshiner24mUK> worth a try
[00:54] <Moonshiner24mUK> do both
[00:54] <B3rz3rk3r> ok, thanks for your help! :)
[00:54] <Moonshiner24mUK> *passes out on keyboard* oeorijghoewghgearguwuhegrhg
[00:54] <B3rz3rk3r> lol
[00:55] <Moonshiner24mUK> new channel up: #windows8
[00:55] <Moonshiner24mUK> nn
[00:55] <B3rz3rk3r> nn
[00:59] <Troy^> windows 8 ewwww
[01:00] <Troy^> the start menu is retarded
[01:01] <Troy^> would full switch to xubuntu then use windows 8...
[01:06] <David-A> Troy^: (offtopic) MS will fix it so most people will think it is not worse than 7, but then most people will think it isn't better either.
[01:45] <Murtaugh> On my floppy problem, it seems as though I have to make a directory for it to mount to, then manually mount it every time
[01:50] <Murtaugh> I think it may be showing up as /dev/fd0 since it isn't in sdb
[02:05] <B3rz3rk3r> Murtaugh, couldn't you just add it to fstab?
[02:05] <Murtaugh> it's not showing up via g-parted
[02:09] <B3rz3rk3r> something like this: http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-3687.html
[02:17] <Murtaugh> hmm...
[03:19] <cheryl> Hello
[04:58] <rhin0> got a serious problem with 12.04
[04:58] <rhin0> x2x doesn't work
[04:59] <rhin0> this is an absolute nightmare
[05:00] <rhin0> i'm downgrading
[05:00] <rhin0> can't use it.
[05:00] <rhin0> nobody helps
[05:00] <rhin0> will stick with 10.04
[05:00] <rhin0> have raised this in forum -- nobody is bothered
[05:00] <rhin0> won't bother either
[05:01] <rhin0> what a disgrace
[05:01] <rhin0> you work all your life helping people with software and get nothing in return
[05:07] <baizon> this is your thread ? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1993268
[05:09] <baizon> rhin0: have you tried this: http://askubuntu.com/questions/65852/cannot-login-to-my-user-account
[05:12] <rhin0> no
[05:12] <rhin0> whats this got to do with x2x
[05:12] <Unit193> Is that at all like synergy?  And I'd say it's not that people don't bother, ever think that many don't know?
[05:13] <baizon> saying "x2x doesnt work" is not very accurate
[05:13] <rhin0> it doesn't work
[05:13] <rhin0> the cursor is locked to the left column
[05:13] <rhin0> "doesn't work"
[05:14] <baizon> how do you connect? "ssh -X to_hostname /usr/X11R6/bin/x2x -west -to :0 &"
[05:15] <rhin0> ssh -X user@192.168.1.67 -C "x2x -east -to :0"
[05:16] <rhin0> i can't believe nobody has asked this -- question on forum left http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1993268
[05:16] <rhin0> regarding problem
[05:16] <rhin0> june 1st --
[05:16] <rhin0> oesn't work 12.04 to 12.05
[05:16] <rhin0> 12.04 either
[05:16] <jyc> hello, I've installed xubuntu and I'm getting startup times much slower than ubuntu
[05:17] <jyc> is there some way to fix this?
[05:17] <baizon> rhin0: no error message?
[05:17] <rhin0> i'm downgrading - can't use it
[05:17] <rhin0> the cursor moves on the machine you x2x to but it's locked to left column
[05:17] <rhin0> no error message
[05:18] <baizon> jyc: use bootchart and check for any processes that need time, then remove or repalce them in the boot process
[05:20] <rhin0> im too exhaustred to continue with this today
[05:21] <rhin0> i'll just downgrade
[05:21] <baizon> rhin0: well, this software is 4 years old
[05:21] <rhin0> 12.04
[05:21] <rhin0> i'll stick with 10.04
[05:21] <baizon> why dont you try an alternative?
[05:22] <baizon> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_remote_desktop_software
[05:22] <baizon> like x2vnc
[05:22] <baizon> i mean x2x is pretty old
[05:22] <rhin0> works
[05:24] <baizon> ?
[05:26] <baizon> im using ssh with x forwarding and it works :)
[05:26] <rhin0> that allows you to control cursor on 1 machine from another?
[05:30] <jyc> how do I disable the dock that appears then disappears at the beginning of login?
[05:32] <baizon> rhin0: i dont know, never tried it :)
[05:33] <baizon> but vnc can do such thing
[05:33] <baizon> jyc: disable it in the startup process
[05:33] <jyc> baizon, I can't if I don't know the name
[05:33] <baizon> what dock is it?
[05:33] <baizon> is it a xfce panel?
[05:34] <jyc> I don't know, it disappears right after it shows up
[05:34] <jyc> also, the problem with installing bootchart is that it fixes the problem - after uninstalling it the slow startup appears again
[05:34] <baizon> jyc: well go with your mouse at the bottom of you screen please
[05:34] <jyc> there is nothing there
[05:34] <baizon> press with your mouse at the bottom of your screen
[05:35] <jyc> nothing appears
[05:35] <jyc> though the slow startup problem is more serious
[05:35] <baizon> jyc: ok, so right click on you panel
[05:35] <jyc> alright
[05:35] <baizon> and check if there are more then one panel there to choose
[05:35] <jyc> it appears now - thanks!
[05:35] <jyc> do you have any idea how to fix the slow bootup?
[05:36] <baizon> like i said
[05:36] <jyc> xubuntu slow startup
[05:36] <jyc> sorry, wrong window
[05:36] <baizon> check to boot process
[05:36] <jyc> was googling
[05:36] <jyc> baizon, after installing bootchart, the problem goes away
[05:36] <jyc> when I uninstall it, it comes back
[05:36] <jyc> so I can't see the problem using bootchart
[05:36] <baizon> do you have the boot msg or the fancy animation?
[05:37] <baizon> i mean boot logo
[05:37] <jyc> I have the window that says xubuntu as dots appear
[05:37] <baizon> disable it and watch the boot messages
[05:37] <baizon> and on what it stays for longer
[05:37] <jyc> I think the problem doesn't appear there, but when I log in
[05:37] <jyc> (that's what I meant - sorry if I wasn't clear)
[05:38] <baizon> ah you mean after logging in?
[05:39] <jyc> after entering the password and pressing enter, it takes a long time for the panels and icons to appear
[05:39] <baizon> a ok
[05:40] <baizon> well then check it by disabling the startup processes, and you can try to remove the content of the .cache directory
[05:41] <baizon> http://docs.xfce.org/xfce/xfce4-session/preferences
[05:41] <baizon> there you have application autostart check it
[05:41] <jyc> ok, will try, thanks again
[05:42] <baizon> np
[08:18] <xubuntu803> te
[08:43] <xubuntu399> im getting a black screan after instalation of alternate xubuntu 12.04 in asus eee 701 4g netbook
[08:44] <xubuntu399> help meeeee
[08:47] <TheSheep> xubuntu399: try adding 'nomodeset' to kernel boot options
[08:48] <TheSheep> !boot
[10:41] <Qantourisc> Why doesn't dhclient detect a disconnected network cable ?
[10:41] <Qantourisc> (Not using gnome network-manager)
[10:42] <Qantourisc> hmmm ifplug
[11:12] <Smackintheface> I have the biggest hairiest ***** in all of the UK and I have grown my pubic hair down to my ankles. I tie my pubic hair with five goat bells that jingle jangle all day long. I LOVE coming the USA and giving all you Yanks the middle finger. Come lick me in my hairy places...I have fleas..:D
[11:35] <melodie_> hello
[12:01] <silverghost> guys this is ridiculous xubuntu is taking more memory than ubuntu
[12:02] <silverghost> xubuntu stock - 693 mb ubuntu -681 mb what is wron this is trock without no apps
[12:03] <TheSheep> silverghost: how are you measuring it?
[12:03] <silverghost> system monitor
[12:04] <TheSheep> which column?
[12:05] <silverghost> xubuntu 681 mb ubuntu of 2 gb xubuntu 693 mb of 2 gb wtf
[12:05] <silverghost> ubuntu 681 mb lol
[12:09] <TheSheep> glad I could help
[12:34] <silverarrow> does anyone know about the media player setup in xubuntu?
[12:40] <Qantourisc> Where is /etc/init.d/wpa_supplicant ?
[12:40] <silverarrow> lost at sea
[12:42] <Qantourisc> Ubuntu has to be the WORST distro i dealed with when it comes down to network configuration
[12:46] <tyche> Qantourisc: I disagree.  Windows 7 beats it.  I have no problem setting up any of the *buntus, simply because I'm hardwired to the router.  However, getting my WIFE'S machine on the net is a bear.
[12:47] <Qantourisc> tyche: i mean ubuntu uses gnome-network manager, but that doesn't work in all cases, and as a result, the debian-based network config has been neglected
[12:48] <tyche> Now, that's an interesting point.  I've run Ubuntu and I've run Debian, and I didn't notice a difference between them.
[12:48] <tyche> Gotta go.
[12:52] <Qantourisc> tyche: Got it working, hacked the wpa_supplicant into pre_up making it run always.
[13:18] <madrivereric> Hello --  I've installed Xubuntu 12.04, but I want to install an older version of myth (e.g. 0.23-0.24) so that I can update my old database.   Synaptic is only showing the latest version of myth.  I think I need to add an older repo so I can force an older version, but so far haven't had success in finding  it.  Can anyone assist?
[13:21] <melodie_> hi
[13:22] <melodie_> I tried to install Xubuntu precise from an iso image and could not succeed to boot. I have used a howto which was already a bit old, which might explain why I didn't succeed
[13:23] <melodie_> then I installed xubuntu to hard drive on one primary partition : /dev/sda3, and at the end I wanted to have grub installed to /dev/sda3 EBR (partition mbr), but it failed with error (not possible to know which error at that stage).
[13:24] <melodie_> I have fixed it by removing all grub2, installing Grub legacy and installed it by hand (had to find where the grub legacy files where located because they were not installed to /boot/grub)
[13:25] <genii-around> If you install grub to a partition like sda1 sda2 sda3 and so on instead of to just the drive itself ( like sda sdb sdc ) then you wipe out part of the partition information, etc.
[13:26] <melodie_> I wonder if this issue was seen and reported before, or if the problem comes from the distro being installed from a usb stick ? Does someone know if the case is just a random issue ? I have installed it to someone else's machine recently with the same stick, but on the sda MBR instead of the partition boot sector. Does that count when it comes to grub2 ?
[13:27] <melodie_> genii-around, I usually have one main boot loader and then chain the others from the first one, or add a boot entry in it for the newer install.
[13:27] <melodie_> " then you wipe out part of the partition information, etc." / what do you mean ?
[13:28] <melodie_> I have always done that with grub, but when it comes to grub2 I am still quite a newbie. Is it too big to fit in EBR ?
[13:29] <genii-around> melodie_: Chain-loading bootloaders works if the next bootloader is also on the MBR of an entire drive, like sdb for instance. But installing grub onto a specific partition of a device usually over-writes the partition information which tells what partition type it is, and does not make it bootable anyhow.
[13:31] <melodie_> genii-around, when it comes to grub, your information is wrong. If you tell me "grub2" then I can believe you as I don't have much practice with it. are you telling me this about Grub2 ? For what Grub legacy is concerned I have chained to primary and logical partitions many times and never met with an issue.
[13:32] <melodie_> on one hard drive only, or on two hard drives : many linux distros one beside others
[13:33] <melodie_> each could have it's own bootloader, and being started from the main grub, even with or without grub splash working, provided the GPU was ok for that.
[13:36] <melodie_> genii-around, ok, thanks anyhow.
[13:36] <melodie_> merci quand même.
[13:36] <melodie_> have to reboot, bye
[13:38] <genii-around> melodie_: Pointing the bootloader at a partition to begin booting works fine, installing the bootloader onto a partition does not. eg: grub-install  /dev/sda works but grub-install /dev/sda3 will mess up the partition info for sda3
[13:38] <genii-around> Bleh, left
[13:46] <madrivereric> I figured it out...  Have a good day all!
[15:28] <tech1> i have a script which chooses a random wallpaper. last night i ran it a few times until it picked a wallpaper i liked then turned my machine off.... this morning when i rebooted there was a different wallpaper than the last one when i last ran the script. it must be a glitch with how xfce "remembers" the last wallpaper right? unless xfce has some inbuilt ai which has decided to automatically run this random wallpaper scri
[15:28] <tech1> pt for me each time i log in.... but i doubt that...... the script is in bin -and i am sure/hope these scripts are not run each time i log in, or that would be bad seeing as i have scripts that should only be run at specific times
[15:30] <GridCube> tech1, it all depends on how you got the script and where you put it
[15:31] <GridCube> check your >configuration >Session and startup >>autolaunch of applications and >>Session tabs to see if they have the script added there
[15:31] <tech1> i put it in ~/bin and wrote it myself, it just gets input(1-9) then sets a wallpaper(1-9), or if you press 0 -it chooses a random number(1-9) before setting
[15:32] <GridCube> i know for a fact this is not a xubuntu default script so its all pretty much up to you
[15:32] <tech1> ok ill check. i definetly didnt add any scripts there so would be surprised if it did
[15:32] <tech1> is autolaunch > sessions where i can put scripts i want to run at login then?
[15:32] <GridCube> yes
[15:32] <tech1> i was looking for that before but could only find where to launch "apps" at login
[15:32] <tech1> cool
[15:33] <tech1> so scripts can be treated as apps? in that manner
[15:33] <GridCube> i dont thinks so
[15:33] <GridCube> it deppends on the script i guess
[15:34] <n2diy> I have  a computer that won't play youtube  or pandora radio. I got tired of messing with it, so this morning I formatted the partitions and installed Xu 10.04. Then I ran the updates, installed the restricted extras package and chkrootkit. That is all that has been done to the box, why won't it play youtube or pandora?
[15:35] <tech1> in settings > sessions and startup, thre are 2 tabs, (application autostart), and (session), i can put the scripts in the (application autostart) one?
[15:36] <GridCube> tech1, yes
[15:36] <tech1> cool  thanks
[15:36] <GridCube> the session one depends on what applications are open
[15:36] <tech1> i see
[15:37] <GridCube> n2diy, when you say "won't play" what do you mean?
[15:38] <GridCube> tech1, in any case we dont know how your script work, it might pretty much be that it is failing somewhere to save the picture you want to be the one you want as backdrop, again we dont know
[15:39] <n2diy> GridCube, I go to youtube, search for Cosmos, select episode one, click on episode one, and a blank screen comes up.
[15:39] <GridCube> mmhm
[15:40] <GridCube> n2diy, does this page says wich version of flash you are using? http://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/
[15:41] <tech1> it always remembered the correct one after login correctly before i added the random number thing, it uses "xfconf-query -c xfce4-desktop -p /backdrop/screen0/monitor0/image-path -s ~/Pictures/wallpapers/dark-city.jpg" to set wallpapers.... its probably because i ran the script multiple times very fast choosing random numbers... maybe it has a "save" cooldown time or something
[15:42] <n2diy> GridCube, no it doesn't it just tells me what versions are available.
[15:44] <GridCube> ok then you dont have flash installed
[15:44] <GridCube> recheck using sudo apt-get install xubuntu-restricted-extras
[15:45] <n2diy> GridCube, flash installer has the same version number that is listed on the website.
[15:46] <GridCube> n2diy, are you sure that in that page there isnt a small box that says "Version information"?
[15:46] <Sysi> n2diy: check that you don't have gnash or swfdec installed
[15:47] <n2diy> GridCube, I don't see it, Sysi, ok.
[15:47] <GridCube> n2diy, do you have your correct video drivers? check using "gksu jockey-gtk" to see if there arent updates to you video card
[15:48] <n2diy> Sysi, they aren't installed, GridCube, checking.
[15:50] <Sysi> can you right click on where video should be and get flash settings?
[15:50] <GridCube> Sysi, he says that http://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/ doesnt tell him what flash version he is using
[15:51] <Sysi> n2diy: check that flash is enabled in firefox settings
[15:51] <n2diy> GridCube, the recommended driver is not activated! I guess I should activate it?
[15:51] <GridCube> :D sure!
[15:52] <n2diy> Cooking
[15:52] <GridCube> :)
[15:54] <n2diy> GridCube, "system error: install archives () failed." Do I need to activate some repos?
[15:54] <GridCube> D:
[15:54] <GridCube> n2diy, probably
[15:54] <Sysi> you need to update to 12.04 where jockey works..
[15:54] <GridCube> oooooooo
[15:54] <GridCube> ooooooooo
[15:55] <GridCube> you are using 10.04
[15:55] <GridCube> D:
[15:55] <Sysi> I had tons of problems with jockey on 10.04
[15:55] <GridCube> !support
[15:56] <n2diy> Sysi, well, this box is running Xu 12.04, so let me try it here.
[15:56] <GridCube> n2diy, you are probably also using a very old firefox version
[15:59] <n2diy> Sysi, ok, "gksu jockey-gtk" on this box returns no probriatry drivers in use, and doesn't recommend any changes. but this box has been polluted, so let me update the test, box to Xu 12.04, and pick up from there.
[16:03] <n2diy> GridCube, I ran all the updates, Firefox was ver 14.XX, but I install 12.04 now, so...
[16:03] <GridCube> :)
[16:03] <GridCube> thats probably for the better
[16:05] <n2diy> GridCube, well, everything was working fine with Xu 10.10, then I upgraded to 12.04, and that's when my problems started. But I reall would like to get 12.04 working.
[16:06] <Sysi> updates often cause problems
[16:06] <GridCube> clean installs are my choosen way
[16:06] <n2diy> Sysi, roger that! Ok, I'm partitioning now, reformatting everything.
[16:07] <SkippersBoss> GridCube, that is not always possible though
[16:07] <GridCube> it is if you take the precaution to have dedicated /home :D
[16:08] <n2diy> GridCube, yes /home has it's own partition, but it's empty any way.
[16:08] <GridCube> :)
[16:09] <n2diy> GridCube, done partitioning, install is cooking.
[16:10] <GridCube> :D good luck
[16:13] <n2diy> GridCube, Thank, after the install I'm going to install chkrootkit, and then the updates, that shouldn't interfere with anything?
[16:13] <GridCube> i dont know what chkrootkit is
[16:13] <GridCube> so i don know
[16:16] <n2diy> GridCube, it's a rootkit hunter/detector. Rootkits are one of the few ways of hacking a linux box.
[16:16] <GridCube> good to know
[16:17] <GridCube> it should not interfere
[16:18] <bhankins> aide
[16:22] <silverarrow> is anyone in xubuntu right now?
[16:23] <silverarrow> hi
[16:23] <GridCube> !hi
[16:25] <n2diy> 33%
[16:25] <silverarrow> what is default setup for media players in xubuntu?
[16:25] <SkippersBoss> euh setup ??
[16:26] <silverarrow> well, I mean for browser embedded play
[16:26] <silverarrow> totem is main player in ubuntu
[16:26] <SkippersBoss> That's a decent question
[16:26] <silverarrow> in lubuntu gnome mplayer with gecko media player
[16:27] <silverarrow> but I cannot find which setup xubuntu have
[16:27] <SkippersBoss> Grid can you assist ??
[16:27] <silverarrow> I suppose anyone booted in xubuntu can
[16:27] <SkippersBoss> I have vlc miself but that is NOT the default setup
[16:27] <silverarrow> I see
[16:28] <Sysi> default video player is parole, I don't know about browser, I have flash
[16:28] <n2diy> I have parole and rythmbox here on 12.04.
[16:29] <GridCube> the default video/mp3 player is parole
[16:29] <GridCube> the default music manager is gmb
[16:29] <GridCube> ergo gmusicbrowser
[16:29] <silverarrow> flash is the main problem
[16:29] <silverarrow> an powerpc
[16:29] <GridCube> the default pictures and i think that it manages some video aswel is gThumb
[16:29] <n2diy> ahh, flash.
[16:30] <n2diy> 51%
[16:30] <GridCube> silverarrow, you need to install xubuntu-restricted-extras to have flash support
[16:30] <GridCube> sudo apt-get install xubuntu-restricted-extras
[16:30] <silverarrow> I know, but for powerpc there is no flash really
[16:30] <silverarrow> maybe an old adobe flash might owrk
[16:30] <GridCube> mmhm
[16:31] <GridCube> i dont know
[16:31] <silverarrow> gnash works
[16:31] <silverarrow> but browser plugin package is broken
[16:31] <GridCube> if its for youtube videos you could try installing minitube
[16:31] <silverarrow> gnome  player and gecko should work on windows media player oriented sites, but geco is broken for ppc
[16:32] <GridCube> its a standalone program that plays youtube videos witouht flash
[16:32] <Sysi> I'd use vlc-mozilla and html5 when possible
[16:32] <silverarrow> I haven`t tried minitube, but so far gnome mplayer and flash video replacer works for youtube
[16:32] <silverarrow> html5 is so so, on this laptop
[16:33] <GridCube> you could also try the vlc plugin
[16:33] <silverarrow> I haven`t tried vlc in browser
[16:33] <silverarrow> I have vlc player though
[16:34] <silverarrow> I wish firefox would keep their flash video replacer, it works perfectly
[16:34] <xubuntu159> :)
[16:34] <GridCube> sudo apt-get install browser-vlc-plugin
[16:34] <silverarrow> thanks, I should try vlc plugin
[16:34] <GridCube> mmm browser-plugin-vlc
[16:36] <silverarrow> on the ubuntu forum someone bragged something awful about xubuntu on ibook G4
[16:36] <GridCube> you cant please everybody
[16:37] <silverarrow> well, at least two guys were every happy about xubuntu
[16:38] <silverarrow> iBook G4 has only 1.42GHz cpu and 512 ram
[16:38] <silverarrow> I have upped it to 1GB
[16:38] <silverarrow> not sure there is any advatage to more ram though
[16:39] <holstein> xubuntu is great... but it can be helpful to weed out the opinions.. if you are looking at those media players, they are not distro specific, and should be similar across the *buntus .. flash support would be the same
[16:39] <silverarrow> I am in lubuntu now
[16:39] <n2diy> is there any such thing as to much ram?
[16:39] <silverarrow> with the gecko gnome mplayer setup, which if fixed would be great
[16:39] <holstein> right.. but the flash support, VLC and all these other applications will be the same or quite similar in xubuntu or lubuntu or whatever
[16:40] <silverarrow> n2diy: not sure, but on this old thing would it improve anything?
[16:40] <SkippersBoss> n2diy, if your running a 32bit version ??
[16:40] <Sysi> 512 to 1024 sure should make a difference, 1 to 2 gb maybe not so much
[16:41] <silverarrow> they used to say not point in more than 3GB unless you have 64bit
[16:41] <silverarrow> sysi, are you sure
[16:41] <silverarrow> ?
[16:41] <silverarrow> I might get a 1GB card then
[16:41] <silverarrow> doesn`t cost much
[16:42] <silverarrow> with a bit of luck at least
[16:42] <Sysi> 512mb is quite little for modern OS and especially webbrowser, 1GB is enough for several browser tabs and some multitasking
[16:42] <drc> silverarrow: use something like htop or task manager to track your RAM usage for a day...then make a decision about how much you "need".
[16:43] <silverarrow> really old laptops can some times not push ram usage much more than 300MB
[16:43] <holstein> at some point, a 32bit system might not see the ram... but a PAE kernel can usually make 32bit systems use all the ram, though im not sure how that works on PPC hardware
[16:43] <silverarrow> ppc is weird
[16:43] <silverarrow> might work though
[16:43] <TheSheep> 32bit system should see up to 4GB ram
[16:43] <TheSheep> but not more
[16:43] <silverarrow> I see
[16:44] <TheSheep> at the same time
[16:44] <silverarrow> I can have max 8GB in  my HP cetrino laptop, with Core2Duo cpu
[16:48] <silverarrow> after installing linux on the iBook I got very focused on optimizing usage
[16:48] <silverarrow> I wanted it to be better than osx
[16:48] <n2diy> rebooting!
[16:49] <silverarrow> but really,it is much the same, but with more options for software
[16:49] <holstein> yeah? better is a matter of opionion though.. i would think it will always just be different.. osx will likely support the hardware best, at least certain versions
[16:50] <silverarrow> well, not noticeably at least
[16:50] <silverarrow> lubuntu boots fast, runs easy, not hard on specs
[16:50] <silverarrow> the main issues are the same, rather difficult with media streams in browser
[16:50] <silverarrow> some at least
[16:51] <silverarrow> if gecko could be fixed it would be better than osx
[16:51] <silverarrow> osx was the best when it was current version, but not anymore
[16:51] <holstein> sure, but again, thats a matter of opinion.. im sure if we focused on power management, we might have a different "best"
[16:51] <silverarrow> maybe
[16:52] <silverarrow> however lubuntu ppc does handle hardware well enough to not be a disadvatage compared to leopard
[16:54] <silverarrow> or the previous one to leopard
[16:55] <silverarrow> I like the ubuntu alternative
[16:55] <holstein> you cant compare ubuntu ppc and those version of OSX on that hardware though, since they are not supported on that hardware
[16:56] <Sysi> though neither are those OSX versions anymore
[16:57] <holstein> right.. those OSX version are not supported on that hardware any longer, so you cant compare them to ubuntu PPC on that hardware
[16:57] <n2diy> update manager is not an improvement in 12.04, the only way I can tell it is working is from watching the LEDs blink on the router.
[17:03] <silverarrow> holstein: true, the advantage of current ubuntus on ppc is because they are somewhat supported and kept up
[17:04] <silverarrow> it came with tiger
[17:04] <silverarrow> and upgraded to leopard fine
[17:27] <n2diy> so, how do I tell when update manager is finished if I have no progress bar or details screen? Top shows update manager is running, but it isn't doing much, 0.7% cpu.
[17:30] <n2diy> never mind, just got the system restart required notice.
[17:33] <n2diy> GridCube, still here? Have a virgin 12.04 install to play with.
[17:50] <n2diy> GridCube, still here? Have a virgin 12.04 install to play with. Installed the Nvidia driver without a problem. Going to load restricted extras with synaptic now.
[17:51] <GridCube> i am
[17:51] <GridCube> :D good luck!
[18:04] <n2diy> GridCube, rebooted, logging in, wow, the screen res. is "different" !
[18:05] <GridCube> :D
[18:06] <n2diy> GridCube, my max res is 640x4801?, but I deal with that later.
[18:06] <GridCube> i dont know
[18:06] <GridCube> that sound weird tho
[18:08] <n2diy> GridCube, there is another driver available, I'll try that one.
[18:08]  * genii-around ponders this 4:30 aspect ratio
[18:09] <n2diy> GridCube, should I remove the previous driver before installing the new one/
[18:10] <n2diy> I think so.
[18:11] <GridCube> genii-around, i think is a typo+1, 640x480 :P
[18:11] <GridCube> n2diy, yeah sure :) try them all
[18:12] <n2diy> GridCube, only have two choices, so...
[18:12] <GridCube> :P
[18:15] <bhankins> Did you have the nvidia splash screen?
[18:16] <bhankins> Your not in vesa?
[18:21] <n2diy> GridCube, sigh, still no youtube, pandora, and now my screen res. is messed up.
[18:21] <GridCube> n2diy, :(
[18:22] <GridCube> well then go to /etc/X11/
[18:22] <GridCube> and rename xorg.conf to xorg.conf.old and reboot
[18:22] <n2diy> thunar, or cli?
[18:22] <GridCube> that should restore your screens
[18:22] <GridCube> any that you feel confortable n2diy
[18:23] <n2diy> ~/etc/x11?
[18:23] <n2diy> never mind.
[18:28] <n2diy> GridCube, ok, res. is still afu., I "think" in need to remove that driver, rename, xorg.conf again, and reboot?
[18:28] <n2diy> in/I
[18:32] <n2diy> GridCube, xorg.conf wasn't recreated!?
[18:36] <n2diy> GridCube, screen res. back to normal, but still no xorg.conf!?
[18:37] <GridCube> n2diy, thats normal
[18:37] <GridCube> :D
[18:37] <GridCube> xorg.conf isnt really necesary anymore
[18:38] <GridCube> n2diy, still no flash?
[18:38] <n2diy> GridCube, roger that. yep, still no flash.
[18:39] <GridCube> try the firefox add-on called flash-aid
[18:39] <n2diy> ok.
[18:39] <GridCube> it installs flash and tune it to work with ubuntu
[18:39] <GridCube> if that doesnt work try gnash or other options,
[18:39] <GridCube> you could also try the browser-plugin-vlc
[18:40] <GridCube> other than those im pretty much out of ideas
[18:42] <n2diy> ok, I don't see flash-aid, but there are a number of helpers offered that I can try. And I'll try the above too if needed. Thanks for your help and time.
[18:43] <GridCube> n2diy, https://github.com/webgapps/flashaid
[18:43] <GridCube> ooo
[18:43] <GridCube> its gone D:
[18:52] <milne8204> I have a problem that I can not solve. I can not play videos in Internet because my shocable  flash player, any one could help???
[19:00] <TheSheep> !flash | milne8204
[19:05] <n2diy> GridCube, none of the add ons worked, so I installed gnash. Now both pandora and youtube are compliaining that I need the latest version of flash, and offer DL links.
[19:08] <n2diy> removed gnash, and trying browser-plugin-vlc
[19:14] <shpank> i think i've just created the loudest nettop on this planet
[19:16] <drc> but can you dance to it?
[19:16] <shpank> well
[19:17] <shpank> it's just the monotone buzzing of a 20W DC fan :)
[19:17] <drc> ah...trance music
[19:17] <shpank> my boss gave me an asus r3600 motherboard without the heatsinks
[19:17] <shpank> so i had to jury rig something to make this stuff work
[19:18] <shpank> now there are two small heatsinks on the cpu and the northbridge/gpu
[19:18] <shpank> and a big fan is blowing on them
[19:18] <shpank> and it's louder than the music
[19:20] <n2diy> GridCube, I just clicked on the install adobe flash link in pandora, and it offered to install an APT package for 10.04+. I clicked on DL, and it offered to install it with the software center app.! So that's cooking! Yesterday, I tried the same thing, but the software center wasn't offered, so I had no app. to install it with.
[19:21] <n2diy> So something we did today "awakened" the awareness of the software center!?
[19:22] <drc> skynet!
[19:23] <milne8204> !Gnash
[19:24] <marcpv> hi! anyone know how to change default folder in catfish?
[21:33] <GridCube> n2diy, :) is flash working?
[21:33] <n2diy> GridCube, nope.
[21:33] <GridCube> :(
[21:33] <GridCube> n2diy, have you tried minitube?
[21:34] <n2diy> Tried all your suggestions, but no luck with them. No I haven't, where might i find that?
[21:34] <GridCube> its a stand alone program to watch youtube without using flash
[21:35] <GridCube> get it by sudo apt-get install minitube
[21:35] <GridCube> or from the USC
[21:35] <n2diy> ok, here goes.
[21:37] <n2diy> GridCube, ok, got it.
[21:38] <GridCube> :) so?
[21:39] <GridCube> also n2diy try pianobar, its a stand alone pandora manager
[21:39] <TheMaster> Though what version of Xubuntu are you using?
[21:40] <GridCube> TheMaster, who you asking
[21:40] <n2diy> GridCube, Cosmos Ep.1 is loaded, but play is  ghosted out!
[21:40] <GridCube> (also TheDrums and TheMaster are in the same channel... spooky)
[21:40] <TheMaster> You are recommending pianobar which is a pandora client, but depending on the version, may not currently work.
[21:41] <n2diy> GridCube, I have to DL the episode to watch it, I'm guessing?
[21:41] <GridCube> TheMaster, i dont know i just found out it existed
[21:41] <TheMaster> GridCube: Cool, no problem.
[21:42] <n2diy> GridCube, the DL button doesn't do anything!
[21:42] <GridCube> n2diy, its pretty much like standard youtube
[21:42] <GridCube> plays while downloading
[21:44] <n2diy> GridCube, ok, let me kill it and see if there are any clues on the terminal?
[21:45] <n2diy> GridCube, tried to kill it, and it wanted to know if I wanted to cancel the DL, so I'll let it cook for a while.
[21:45] <GridCube> :)
[21:46] <GridCube> maybe your internets are really really slow
[21:47] <GridCube> oh! i never used that download button
[21:47] <n2diy> GridCube, 1.5meg down, I believe, but it worked ok before I upgraded to 12.04.
[21:47] <GridCube> :/
[21:48] <n2diy> In fact, I watched the first seven episodes of Cosmos.
[21:56] <n2diy> GridCube, still DLing, gotta walk the dog, back in 20.
[22:27] <n2diy> I'm back, no activity on the router, and no play button on minitube.
[22:29] <GridCube> n2diy, i never use the download button tho
[22:30] <GridCube> n2diy, you should probably check your video drivers again
[22:33] <GridCube> figure out why they dont work properly
[22:38] <n2diy> GridCube, roger that. But there are three boxes here, all not doing the same thing. I'm beginning to suspect router?
[22:41] <GridCube> n2diy, i honestly dont know
[22:43] <n2diy> GridCube, trying pianobar now.
[22:46] <n2diy> GridCube, trying pianobar/pandora gave me a login... network error: TLS failed.  I may have changed passwords on pandora and forgot which one I'm using, I hope.
[22:47] <TheMaster> n2diy: Type  apt-cache policy pianobar   real quick please?
[22:47] <GridCube> n2diy, synaptic says you also have pithos to try using pandora
[22:47] <TheMaster> Pithos is gui, pianobar is CLI.
[22:48] <GridCube> oh
[22:48] <GridCube> i have no idea :P
[22:48] <TheMaster> I'm just adding to your info, all good.
[22:49] <n2diy> TheMaster, roger that. Well I keep getting this TLS error, and I tried all my passwords.
[22:50] <TheMaster> n2diy: Sounds like an older version, pianobar is extreamly easy to compile if you want to use it. :)
[22:50] <TheMaster> Otherwise, pithos won't work either and you'll need to add his PPA to use it.
[22:50] <TheMaster> I personally like pianobar better, but the PPA route is a little easier.
[22:52] <GridCube> TheMaster, he's having huge problems with flash in his computer and he wants to use both those services (yt and pandora) so anything that makes them work should be fine :P
[22:52] <TheMaster> GridCube: Did you get him to purge flashplugin-installer and install adobe-flashplugin from the partner repo by chance?
[22:53] <n2diy> TheMaster, yes, did that through the ubuntu software center.
[22:54] <TheMaster> VLC can handle YouTube videos if you paste them in the network dialog, and pianobar/pithos could do pandora.
[22:55] <SkippersBoss> but what about those flash sites that HIDE the link
[22:56] <SkippersBoss> services like e.g. brightcove vls is useless
[22:56] <GridCube> minitube should work aswell
[22:56] <TheMaster> I'm under the impression he's just talking youtube from what he said, and the URL of http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNZzJELbFRI is acceptable in vlc.
[22:56] <GridCube> but im pretty sure most of his problems come because of faulty video drivers
[22:56] <SkippersBoss> aaa
[22:56] <SkippersBoss> ok
[22:56] <TheMaster> GridCube: Sure, however you'd like to go.
[22:57] <n2diy> at this point, I'm ready to change my password, and let somebody hack away at the box!
[22:57] <GridCube> because when he installed them his screens whent default to 640x480
[22:58] <GridCube> so i think theres something wrong there thats not letting n2diy progress
[22:58] <TheMaster> Used jockey to get 'em?  Harder card to deal with?
[22:58] <GridCube> TheMaster, :) yes, and i dont know
[22:58] <GridCube> ask him :D
[22:59] <n2diy> ask me what?h
[23:00] <n2diy> nvidia nv34 GeForce FX 5200?
[23:00] <GridCube> :P what video card you have, and why it fails to load its drivers
[23:00] <n2diy> nvidia nv34 GeForce FX 5200?
[23:00] <GridCube> do lspci | grep "VGA"
[23:01] <GridCube> that works too :)
[23:01] <n2diy> nvidia nv34 GeForce FX 5200 rev a1
[23:06] <GridCube> mmmhm
[23:08] <TheMaster> n2diy: Have you checked "Additional Drivers" in the settings menu?
[23:09] <n2diy> No, just checked Xorg.0.log, and it looks like the the NOUVEAU driver is being loaded? I'll check settings now.
[23:11] <n2diy> TheMaster,  Addtional Settings offers the same two drivers GridCube and I tried earlier.
[23:13] <n2diy> TheMaster, GridCube and those drivers are; NVIDIA accelerated graphics driver version 173, and post-release updates version 173-updates.
[23:19] <GridCube> n2diy, they should work
[23:19] <GridCube> :/
[23:19] <n2diy> Ok :)
[23:21] <n2diy> which leads me to believe something else is at fault. Let me poke around in some more logs.
[23:26] <n2diy> the last entry in dmesg.0 refers to the NVIDIA UNIX kernel Modue 173.14.35  as loading, no errors.
[23:29] <n2diy> however, dmesg shows the nouveau driver loading ok.
[23:32] <n2diy> GridCube, TheMaster, the last entry in jockey.log is "shutting down"!
[23:38] <mk_> Hello folks - I just started having a problem logging into my xubuntu laptop after a forced powerdown.  Logging in as a second user on the laptop works fine, but my old user can't get past the ubuntu login screen.  Wondering if anyone can help me troubleshoot.
[23:40] <mk_> I can log in as a second user and even su to the main user, but can't get main login screen to let me in.
[23:40] <mk_> what stuff might be corrupted on the main user?
[23:40] <mk_> I'm on 12.04