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| rsalveti | ogra_: you changed Bootloader-sets-root: to yes even if the meaning is currently wrong! :-) | 07:36 |
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| rsalveti | that's a different behavior from debian | 07:36 |
| rsalveti | but will at least now work after the installer finishes? | 07:38 |
| ogra_ | rsalveti, i havent tested it on actual images yet, but beyond that it should work | 08:00 |
| ogra_ | (as documented in the changelog) | 08:01 |
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| * ogra_ hugs rsalveti | 14:40 | |
| ogra_ | yay | 14:40 |
| rsalveti | ogra_: there's only one new package that needs to land now, the libdri2 | 14:41 |
| rsalveti | which is what I'm testing at this moment | 14:41 |
| rsalveti | then we'll be ready to go with pvr-omap4 | 14:41 |
| rsalveti | kernel and xorg related packages all in already | 14:42 |
| ogra_ | yay | 14:42 |
| * ogra_ wonders if omap should be in the xserver-xorg-video-all deps on arm | 14:43 | |
| rsalveti | I belive so, at least we need to make sure we're installing it by default | 14:45 |
| ndec | rsalveti: libdri2-omap in the archives for 12.10? | 15:06 |
| rsalveti | ndec: that's what I'm doing now | 15:06 |
| ndec | nice1 | 15:07 |
| rsalveti | it's needed by the sgx driver | 15:07 |
| ndec | nice! | 15:07 |
| ndec | are you taking the Xserver patches for dri2video as well? sounds more risky ;-) | 15:07 |
| rsalveti | ndec: not at this point yet | 15:08 |
| rsalveti | want to first make sure it works without any new fancy features :-) | 15:09 |
| ndec | how about the clutter/totem 3.4? is there any ARM SoC which has support for that? | 15:09 |
| rsalveti | ndec: don't think so | 15:16 |
| ndec | rsalveti: also i wanted to ask you about LEB. so ubuntu is no longer doing pre-installed. how does it impat linaro LEB? | 15:17 |
| ndec | in fact i don't recall exactly how LEB are generated. | 15:17 |
| rsalveti | ndec: doesn't change much, we're still doing pre-installed images | 15:18 |
| rsalveti | as well with hwpack + rootfs | 15:19 |
| rsalveti | even for quantal | 15:19 |
| ndec | rsalveti: ok. is there a wiki that explains your image generation? | 15:20 |
| ndec | we need to change our image generation for TI releases... since we were using pre-installed images ;-) | 15:20 |
| rsalveti | ndec: sure, 1 sec | 15:20 |
| hrw | ogra_: can you grab powertop 2.1 from http://people.linaro.org/~hrw/debian/ and sponsor upload? :D | 15:21 |
| rsalveti | ndec: http://git.linaro.org/gitweb?p=ubuntu/ubuntu-build-service.git;a=summary | 15:21 |
| rsalveti | http://git.linaro.org/gitweb?p=ubuntu/ubuntu-build-service.git;a=tree | 15:21 |
| rsalveti | if you see, this is how we're maintaining our build jobs | 15:21 |
| rsalveti | the only thing done by jenkins is a cd to the right folder and ./configure && make | 15:22 |
| ndec | rsalveti: and it works outside of LP, e.g. I should be able to run this script? | 15:22 |
| rsalveti | that runs live-build and generate the tarball in the end | 15:22 |
| rsalveti | ndec: yup | 15:22 |
| ndec | hmm... why did I not look into that before... | 15:22 |
| hrw | bye | 15:24 |
| rsalveti | ndec: the logs from the job handling the quantal images: https://ci.linaro.org/jenkins/view/Ubuntu%20Build%20Service/job/quantal-armhf-ubuntu-desktop/65/consoleFull | 15:24 |
| rsalveti | if you want to create a pure ubuntu image (without the linaro sauce), it's quite easy as well | 15:25 |
| rsalveti | just need some minor changes, like by not installing linaro-ubuntu-desktop and installing the task ubuntu-desktop | 15:25 |
| ndec | thanks a bunch! | 15:25 |
| ogra_ | hrw, hmm, the .dsc expects a tar.gz tarball | 15:29 |
| ogra_ | i cant extract it with dpkg-source | 15:30 |
| ogra_ | rsalveti, any chance that we see a pcr for omap3 update (not FF critical indeed) ? | 15:45 |
| ogra_ | *pvr | 15:46 |
| rsalveti | ogra_: that depends on TI providing us the armhf binaries =\ | 15:46 |
| ogra_ | i thought there were published ones | 15:46 |
| rsalveti | not for armhf, at least not by the official channel | 15:47 |
| ogra_ | hmm, i thought i read something about hf binary drivers | 15:47 |
| ogra_ | but i cant findit in my history... | 15:47 |
| ndec | ogra_: rsalveti: i don't think i have seen a DDK/armhf for OMAP3. | 15:52 |
| ogra_ | k | 15:52 |
| ndec | i think, though, that some TI people are working on adding armhf support in OE, so it is a sign that such binary might show up... | 15:52 |
| ogra_ | well, probably someone talked about an inofficial binary or some such | 15:53 |
| ogra_ | i know i catched it up somewhere | 15:53 |
| * ogra_ adds unity-2d back to the ac100 images | 15:59 | |
| rsalveti | ogra_: there's a new mesa at the archive today | 16:01 |
| rsalveti | might be nice to check if unity3d would work | 16:01 |
| rsalveti | or at least how it'd explode | 16:01 |
| ogra_ | rsalveti, well, slangasek apparently tested yesterday, with rather disatrous results | 16:01 |
| rsalveti | hehe :-) | 16:01 |
| ogra_ | it doesnt explode, but itsnt usable either | 16:01 |
| ogra_ | hmm, i see a compiz upload but nothing in the changelog indicates its the one that has GLES | 16:03 |
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| infinity | ogra_: How does adding unity-2d to ac100 work when it's been removed from the archive? Or did I miss someone adopting it and re-uploading it? | 16:28 |
| ogra_ | it hasnt been removed | 16:28 |
| ogra_ | it was removed from the seeds | 16:28 |
| ogra_ | and i dont think anyone plans to remove it from the archive actually | 16:28 |
| infinity | ogra_: Uhm. It was removed from the archive last week. | 16:29 |
| infinity | ogra_: Because no one stepped up to fix the dconf->gsettings mess, or something. | 16:29 |
| ogra_ | why does apt-cache madison on a current panda still show source and binary then ? | 16:29 |
| infinity | Because it lies? Or has precise in its sources? Or something? | 16:30 |
| infinity | The source was removed. | 16:30 |
| ogra_ | SH*T | 16:30 |
| infinity | Some binaries may still linger due to them having rdeps. | 16:30 |
| ogra_ | well, rickspencer3's suggestion was actualyl to have it back on the arm images worst case | 16:31 |
| infinity | Yes, well. The desktop team screwed you there. | 16:31 |
| ogra_ | and the results for llvmpipe are far from usable | 16:31 |
| ogra_ | damned | 16:31 |
| infinity | Probably worth an internal discussion about porting the bits that need porting and reintroducing it. | 16:31 |
| rickspencer3 | as I understand it, llvmpipe is completely out of the question for ARM | 16:31 |
| rickspencer3 | we need to wait for the PVR driver to run unity | 16:32 |
| ogra_ | rickspencer3, after slangasek's test results definitely | 16:32 |
| rsalveti | problem is that we'll be able to solve the unity issue just for panda | 16:32 |
| rickspencer3 | I don't think anyone ever envisioned that it would work, really | 16:32 |
| rsalveti | which we have the river | 16:32 |
| rsalveti | people can dream hehe :-) | 16:32 |
| ogra_ | rickspencer3, haha | 16:32 |
| rickspencer3 | is there another DE that we can use at least to test until the PVR is available? | 16:33 |
| rickspencer3 | just to bridge us until Unity is runnable? | 16:33 |
| rickspencer3 | Gnome 2? | 16:33 |
| ogra_ | rsalveti, right, and for ac100 i was just planningg to pull unity-2d in ... i wasnt aware they actually removed it | 16:33 |
| rsalveti | rickspencer3: the pvr driver will be available later today | 16:33 |
| ogra_ | omap4 will be fine soon | 16:33 |
| rickspencer3 | oh, so Unity 3d should work(ish) later today? | 16:33 |
| rickspencer3 | sorry | 16:33 |
| ogra_ | ish, right | 16:33 |
| rickspencer3 | you guys were talking about other boards | 16:33 |
| * rickspencer3 backs away quietly | 16:34 | |
| ogra_ | what wont be fine are all other arm desktop images | 16:34 |
| * rickspencer3 backs back in | 16:34 | |
| rickspencer3 | I wonder if Lubuntu might be a better flavor for other boards? | 16:34 |
| ogra_ | my second choice after re-introducing unity-2d is lubuntu-desktop | 16:34 |
| rickspencer3 | it runs my eeePC 701, which is pretty impressive | 16:34 |
| ogra_ | but that requires more work for me | 16:34 |
| infinity | ogra_: Given that ac100 is a community image, why not just switch it to Xubuntu? :) | 16:35 |
| rickspencer3 | ogra_, you can't just apt-get install lubuntu-desktop? | 16:35 |
| ogra_ | infinity, why using that much overhead ? | 16:35 |
| infinity | ogra_: Or lubuntu, sure. | 16:35 |
| ogra_ | :) | 16:35 |
| rsalveti | lubuntu works as well | 16:35 |
| ogra_ | yeah, and will have a tiny footrprint | 16:35 |
| rickspencer3 | the lubuntu community targets exactly this scenario | 16:35 |
| * ppisati +1 for reintroducing unity2d | 16:35 | |
| infinity | ogra_: I really see no reason to ship the full whiz-bang Unity experience for anything except our darling "tech demo" platform (OMAP4). | 16:35 |
| rickspencer3 | it's the only reason that we bought new PowerPC builders, so that lubuntu could make a PowerPC version | 16:35 |
| ogra_ | ppisati, its gone from the archive ... i dont see how we woudl get it back without lots fo extra work | 16:35 |
| infinity | ppisati: And as much as I want unity-2d back, someone needs to commit to the work, it's not self-maintaining. | 16:36 |
| ogra_ | infinity, i agree, but someone has to maintain the differences | 16:36 |
| ppisati | ogra_: didn't you just said it was just eliminated from seed? | 16:36 |
| ppisati | *say | 16:36 |
| ogra_ | ppisati, i was just proven wron above | 16:36 |
| ppisati | ah | 16:36 |
| ogra_ | *wrong | 16:36 |
| infinity | ogra_: What difference? s/ubnutu-desktop/lubuntu-desktop/ in the ac100 target in livecd-rootfs, profit? | 16:36 |
| ppisati | infinity: i agree, but have you ever tried the "3d experience" on a pandaboard? | 16:37 |
| ogra_ | infinity, well, i have to get used to it for testing etc etc | 16:37 |
| ppisati | infinity: if we need to switch for $foobarUbuntu, i prefer U2d | 16:37 |
| rsalveti | it's working way better with latest compiz | 16:37 |
| infinity | ppisati: With the PVR driver, it's not bad. | 16:37 |
| rsalveti | you'd be surprised | 16:37 |
| ogra_ | and will start to fix arm issues on lubuntu | 16:37 |
| ogra_ | since people tend to copmpain to *me* | 16:37 |
| ogra_ | *complain | 16:37 |
| infinity | Fixing ARM issues in the whole archive isn't a bad thing. :P | 16:37 |
| infinity | But really, it should all Just Work. | 16:37 |
| infinity | If it doesn't, we suck at this. | 16:37 |
| infinity | A lot. | 16:37 |
| ogra_ | i think its a lot more than changing the target btw | 16:38 |
| infinity | Either way. I don't want us shipping desktop images for a ton of platforms regardless. ac100 gets a free pass because it's a pain to install it any other way. | 16:38 |
| ogra_ | i'm not even sure there is any oem-confi support in the lubuntu ubiquity | 16:38 |
| infinity | Uhm, it's the same ubiquity... | 16:38 |
| * ppisati goes testing another kernel... | 16:39 | |
| ogra_ | they have overlay packages for everythin in lubuntu, no ? | 16:39 |
| infinity | Not for the installer itself. | 16:39 |
| * ogra_ needs to get used to this new kbd | 16:39 | |
| ogra_ | ok | 16:39 |
| ogra_ | well, then lets just do it :) | 16:39 |
| infinity | I suspect just swapping xubuntu or lubuntu in will Just Work, as I said, but either way, it's probably less effort than committing to support unity-2d, unless you want to be the new u2d upstream in your spare time. | 16:40 |
| infinity | And if you do, awesome, lots of us love and miss u2d. :P | 16:40 |
| ogra_ | haha | 16:40 |
| ogra_ | i'm not that crazy, no | 16:40 |
| ogra_ | i really would like to see some community people picking it up though | 16:40 |
| ogra_ | infinity, erm, you didnt mean livecd-rootfs but the nusakan crontab (and default-arches), right ? | 16:42 |
| * rickspencer3 looks forward to dist-upgrading panda board tomorrow | 16:47 | |
| infinity | ogra_: Oh, fair point, it's not hardcoded anywhere. | 16:47 |
| ogra_ | good, you had me confused :) | 16:48 |
| infinity | ogra_: But yeah, just add armhf+ac100 to lubuntu's default-arches, and give it a try, I guess. Or do a test-spin by hand. | 16:48 |
| infinity | ogra_: It seems like the sane(ish) way forward. | 16:48 |
| ogra_ | yep | 16:49 |
| ogra_ | what do we do with mx5 ? | 16:49 |
| rickspencer3 | rsalveti, will HD video work tomorrow too? | 16:49 |
| * rickspencer3 hopes | 16:49 | |
| ogra_ | LOL | 16:49 |
| rsalveti | hahahaha | 16:49 |
| ogra_ | rickspencer3, we have no codecs | 16:49 |
| rickspencer3 | so, "not yet", right? | 16:49 |
| ogra_ | and its unlikely they will ever enter the archive | 16:49 |
| rickspencer3 | ogra_, well, I thought I could install them from somewhere else | 16:49 |
| rsalveti | you can, but for precise | 16:50 |
| ogra_ | with luck TI will provide gstreamer packages and codecs from the PPA after release | 16:50 |
| infinity | ogra_: We already dropped mx5 desktop images, didn't we? | 16:50 |
| infinity | ogra_: If we didn't, I'll do that. | 16:50 |
| rsalveti | unfortunately for quantal a lot of stuff changed | 16:50 |
| ogra_ | infinity, not sure, i thought that was only temporary | 16:50 |
| rsalveti | they are maintaining like hundreds of patches at the gst packages | 16:50 |
| ogra_ | wrt livebuilder shortage around a milestone | 16:50 |
| infinity | ogra_: Nope, the only desktop images we should be producing are omap4 (the blessed tech demo image), and ac100 (cause it sucks installing any other way). | 16:51 |
| ogra_ | i think we do build omap still atm | 16:51 |
| infinity | ogra_: But mx5 reminds me that we still need to do d-i images from universe kernels. | 16:51 |
| ogra_ | and i woudl like to keep the opportunity open for an omap3 HF driver | 16:51 |
| ogra_ | so i would like to go on buildin them | 16:51 |
| ogra_ | no need for testing or milestone releases though | 16:51 |
| infinity | I see no issues with asking non-omap4 users to use netboot and install desktops by hand. It's not like ubiquity on a Beagle is a pleasant experience anyway. | 16:52 |
| ogra_ | infinity, i guess FF day is a little late for that | 16:52 |
| ogra_ | according to colin there is some heavy lifting involved to make d-i use universe | 16:53 |
| * ogra_ would really like to see some images to actually test flash-kernel-installer | 16:54 | |
| hrw | ogra_: fetch again | 16:58 |
| ogra_ | will do | 16:58 |
| rsalveti | ogra_: new compiz doesn't include yet the gles branch | 17:02 |
| rsalveti | it's one rev before the one we wanted | 17:02 |
| infinity | D'oh. | 17:04 |
| ogra_ | sigh | 17:06 |
| ogra_ | oh that endless game | 17:06 |
| rsalveti | hm, someone really need to spend some time optimizing the updating of the software catalog | 17:08 |
| rsalveti | that always takes a huge time | 17:08 |
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| ogra_ | improve IO | 17:08 |
| ogra_ | its unzipping huge files | 17:08 |
| rsalveti | yeah, imagined that | 17:09 |
| ogra_ | bah, sigh | 17:13 |
| ogra_ | if i hadnt messed up livecd-rootfs i could now do an ac100 tesbuild | 17:13 |
| ogra_ | life always strikes back | 17:13 |
| ogra_ | hrw, done | 17:21 |
| hrw | ogra_: cool, thanks | 17:27 |
| rsalveti | ogra_: bug 1040611 | 17:50 |
| ubot2` | Launchpad bug 1040611 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging] libdri2" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1040611 | 17:50 |
| rsalveti | ogra_: last piece before the pvr-omap4 driver | 17:50 |
| ogra_ | rsalveti, uh, whats the license | 17:53 |
| rsalveti | http://paste.ubuntu.com/1163077/ | 17:53 |
| rsalveti | expat | 17:53 |
| infinity | rsalveti: Is this a generic dri extension thing that's being pushed to fdo/xorg upstream and (eventually) used all over, or some ARM(or TI)-specific madness? | 17:54 |
| ogra_ | oh, i misunderstood "as it's binary only, and built against the shared library " | 17:54 |
| ogra_ | :P | 17:54 |
| ogra_ | i thought that libdri2 had binary bits | 17:54 |
| ogra_ | liked against the free one | 17:54 |
| rsalveti | infinity: no, idea is to be the reference and generic dri extension | 17:54 |
| rsalveti | to avoid duplicates all around | 17:54 |
| infinity | rsalveti: If it's not actually generic and intended to be used cross-platform, "libdri" is pretty awful namespace pollution. | 17:54 |
| infinity | robclark: ^ | 17:55 |
| rsalveti | he's the father | 17:55 |
| infinity | robclark: Bring your sideburns over here and tell me about libdri. | 17:55 |
| * ogra_ runs an ac199 lubuntu-desktop testbuild | 18:01 | |
| ogra_ | *ac100 | 18:01 |
| infinity | If the ac199 comes with an en_US non-android keyboard, I'll take two. | 18:01 |
| robclark | infinity, rsalveti, libdri2 is basically some code extracted out of mesa so that other things can use it | 18:02 |
| ogra_ | infinity, you and your keyboard fixation :P | 18:02 |
| infinity | robclark: Sure, I grasp *what* it is, but is it being pushed upstream as a generic solution that others intend to use for this same purpose, etc? | 18:02 |
| infinity | robclark: Cause if it ends up being just an ARM thing, just a TI thing, the namespace pollution of "libdri" is a bit icky. | 18:03 |
| infinity | robclark: And, if it's partly cargo-culted from mesa, why not build it from mesa, so it can be more readily kept in sync? | 18:03 |
| robclark | infinity, well, I did send a while back a patch for mesa to use it.. | 18:04 |
| infinity | robclark: (And so others can learn of its existence and use it) | 18:04 |
| robclark | anyways, the point was that mesa, vdpau, vaapi, etc where all just copy/pasting the same code | 18:04 |
| infinity | robclark: Dude, are you going German on me? | 18:04 |
| robclark | :-P | 18:04 |
| infinity | "well, I did send a while back a patch for mesa to use it"... I thought Oli typed that, until I read the nick. :P | 18:04 |
| infinity | Just sayin'. | 18:04 |
| robclark | I need to kick mesa folks again... | 18:04 |
| ogra_ | LOL | 18:05 |
| ogra_ | texas is full of germans | 18:05 |
| rsalveti | lol | 18:05 |
| robclark | heheh | 18:05 |
| infinity | robclark: Anyhow, if you've had any positive response from upstream about it at all, and if it seems likely it'll end up being "a thing" upstream, then I'm less grumpy about including it as-is as a stop-gap in Ubuntu right now. | 18:05 |
| ogra_ | might have some bad influence on the language :) | 18:05 |
| robclark | well.. my reasoning is that currently dri2 is a bit of an exception to the way most x11 extensions work.. ie most you have a proto tree plus a client side lib tree | 18:06 |
| robclark | dri2 is the only one (that I know of) that doesn't have a client side lib tree.. hence libdri2 | 18:06 |
| robclark | anyways, why is it a namespace issue? | 18:07 |
| infinity | robclark: *nod*... Like I said, I'm down with the concept, and your reasoning. Just more curious if you've been able to sell upstream. | 18:07 |
| infinity | robclark: But if you're pushing upstream to DTRT here, that's cool. | 18:07 |
| infinity | robclark: It's a namespace issue only because I could totally see someone else introducing a libdri that's an entirely different thing, so it would be nice if yours was on the radar and won. :P | 18:07 |
| robclark | I do need to kick them again.. if I can make it to xdc then I'll bring it up in person there.. | 18:07 |
| robclark | I think main issue is that most everyone on xorg/mesa/gfx side of things has too much to do and too little time to care about those sort of little cleanups :-P | 18:08 |
| ogra_ | bah, lubuntu build failed | 18:09 |
| infinity | robclark: You'd think that would make them all the happier about someone else doing it. | 18:09 |
| ogra_ | The following packages have unmet dependencies: | 18:10 |
| ogra_ | indicator-application-gtk2 : Depends: indicator-application (= 0.5.0-0ubuntu1) but it is not going to be installed | 18:10 |
| ogra_ | GRMPF | 18:10 |
| ogra_ | i guess lubuntu wasnt a good choice if they have to port the world to gtk3 first | 18:11 |
| infinity | I assume that's just buildd skew. | 18:11 |
| ogra_ | i would assume that indicator-application stopped providing its gtk2 bits | 18:12 |
| rsalveti | infinity: so what do we say, trust robclark and push it to the archive? :-) | 18:12 |
| infinity | Oh, indeed. Very recently. | 18:12 |
| infinity | rsalveti: Yeah. If robclark fails us, we can wax his face. | 18:12 |
| infinity | ogra_: Yell at Seb? | 18:13 |
| ogra_ | infinity, he will just point me to the unity team | 18:13 |
| infinity | ogra_: Dropping GTK2 in indicators all over is a nightmare for Xubuntu and Lubuntu, and right before FF, no less. :/ | 18:13 |
| ogra_ | and they then point me to sabdfl ... and i wont yell at him i fear :P | 18:13 |
| infinity | You should. | 18:14 |
| infinity | In cases like this, he's just another contributor. | 18:14 |
| ogra_ | no, yelling is the wrong approach for sure | 18:14 |
| infinity | Until he formally sabdfls something, which is a different matter. | 18:14 |
| xnox | there was an email about moving those bits to universe? or was it a complete drop? | 18:15 |
| xnox | (e.g. separate source package) | 18:15 |
| ogra_ | well, seb just referred to that mail | 18:16 |
| ogra_ | in -desktop | 18:16 |
| ogra_ | so it seems xubuntu wants to take over maintenance of gtk2 parts in universe | 18:17 |
| scientes | ogra_, so xubuntu is not gtk3? | 18:17 |
| ogra_ | but seemingly need to push these in from scratch | 18:17 |
| scientes | *xfce | 18:17 |
| ogra_ | no idea | 18:17 |
| ogra_ | they use a lot of gtk2 stuff, that i know | 18:17 |
| ogra_ | lubuntu intrestingly as well | 18:18 |
| ogra_ | i guess for NM | 18:18 |
| rsalveti | infinity: ogra_: and finally, the pvr driver: http://people.linaro.org/~rsalveti/pvr/, but it needs libdri2 | 18:18 |
| ogra_ | yay | 18:18 |
| rsalveti | http://git.linaro.org/gitweb?p=ubuntu/pvr-omap4.git;a=summary | 18:19 |
| infinity | scientes: XFCE is GTK2 for now. There was a push for GTK3 porting, and it got derailed upstream. | 18:20 |
| infinity | Turns out it's a lot more work than people realised when they first got gung-ho about it. :P | 18:21 |
| infinity | Like, effectively a rewrite of half the world. | 18:21 |
| scientes | looks like lxde is being ported too | 18:22 |
| scientes | and i *was* subscribed to the linux gtk3 migration | 18:22 |
| scientes | but that patch and email flow was just too great | 18:22 |
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| rsalveti | ogra_: hey, any news about the driver? | 20:54 |
| rsalveti | infinity: for you as well, in case you're willing to sponsor it :-) | 20:55 |
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