[00:13] <AminosAmigos> It didn't :/
[00:15] <AminosAmigos> checking this
[00:15] <AminosAmigos> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Mlterm
[17:10] <Soprano> Salam tout le monde
[17:10] <Fanen> salem
[17:11] <Soprano> J'ai un probléme avec mysql Access denied for user 'www-data'@'localhost' (using password: NO)
[17:21] <ounis> Soprano is you mysql server configured correctly?
[17:24] <Soprano> ounis: je travaille sur un serveur virtuel ( VPS ) pas sur mon Local, normalement je sais pas  parceque j'ai installer mysql-server et phpmyadmin avec les commandes ( apt-get install mysql-server , apt-get install phpmyadmin) , j'ai essayé avant avec un autre VPS et ca marché normal mais celui la non
[17:24] <ounis> >:o phpmyadmin!!!!!
[17:24] <Soprano> alors je sais pas s'il est configuré correctement
[17:25] <ounis> that's for clickers & n00bs
[17:25] <ounis> try to connect using the CLI
[17:27] <ounis> > mysql -u root
[17:28] <ounis> is your code in php ?
[17:29] <ounis> does it look like this mysql_connect(“localhost”, “www-data”);
[17:29] <ounis> Soprano ?
[17:30] <Soprano>  mysql -u root ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)
[17:30] <ounis> did you setup a password for root on mysql?
[17:31] <Soprano> non
[17:32] <ounis> try this to reset your root password http://www.howtoforge.com/reset-forgotten-mysql-root-password
[17:32] <ounis> Soprano
[17:32] <ounis> wait a second
[17:32] <ounis> before trying that
[17:33] <ounis> did you check if mysqld is running?
[17:34] <Soprano> yes it's running
[17:34] <ounis> and please please Soprano don't use phpmyadmin anymore , it's one among the worst tools for web developpers ever
[17:34] <ounis> does the phpmyadmin succeede in connecting to mysql?
[17:35] <Soprano> yep
[17:35] <ounis> what password did you setup for phpmyadmin?
[17:35] <ounis> maybe there is a default password
[17:36] <Soprano> no, the password of phpmyadmin i set another one
[17:36] <ounis> I don't know very well that tool but I hate it from the small things I know about it
[17:36] <ounis> then use that another one
[17:36] <Soprano> i have used it , same problem
[17:36] <ounis> :/
[17:37] <ounis> then try to reset root password as described in the tutorial i gave you
[17:37] <Soprano> ounis: i have tryed this many time before and works great
[17:37] <Soprano> but this one i changed the password of phpmyadmin
[17:38] <ounis> exactly that's the problem with clickers tools it works fine while making you dumb dumb & dumber
[17:39] <ounis> & when it fails you're so dumb you don't know what happened
[17:39] <Soprano> j'ai essayé avec le tuto que tu m'as donné mais voila le message d'erreur  mysql --user=root mysql ERROR 1045 (28000): Access denied for user 'root'@'localhost' (using password: NO)
[17:40] <ounis> did you stop mysqld befor launching the mysql_safe command?
[17:40] <ounis> mysqld_safe*
[17:41] <Soprano> oui
[17:41] <ounis> and you got the output described in the tutorial?
[17:42] <ounis> "mysqld start up successfully"
[17:43] <Soprano> 20823 21:43:05 mysqld_safe Logging to syslog. 120823 21:43:05 mysqld_safe A mysqld process already exists
[17:43] <Soprano> no
[17:43] <ounis> then you need to stop mysqld before
[17:43] <ounis> you didn't do it right
[17:44] <ounis> Soprano may I ask you a personal question?
[17:44] <Soprano> yep
[17:44] <ounis> are you stupid?
[17:45] <Soprano> lol , no
[17:45] <Soprano> seriously , u have right to ask me like this
[17:45] <ounis> then why you answer me two different answers to the same question?
[17:45] <Soprano> parceque je sais rien de Linux , Ubuntu , .... php, Html , Nothing
[17:46] <Soprano> et je fait un effort pour comprendre et avancer
[17:46] <ounis> ok great
[17:46] <Soprano> that's why u see that i'm stupid lol
[17:47] <ounis> I'm not talking about you not knowing stuff
[17:47] <ounis> ignorance is not stupidity
[17:47] <Soprano> Oui
[17:48] <ounis> stupidity is when someone pretend to know something he don't know and answer to questions he's not sure whether he understood the question or not
[17:49] <ounis> so for the last time stop your mysqld then try the steps of the tutorial from the beginning
[17:49] <Soprano> ok
[17:49] <ounis> and don't try the next command until you get the correct output
[17:49] <ounis> is that something you need someone to tell you?
[17:51] <ounis> stupidity also is when someone try a command, it gives a wrong output, he doesn't care and go to the next step of a tutorial
[17:51] <ounis> do you agree Soprano?
[17:52] <Soprano> yeap
[17:52] <Soprano> that's what i have done
[17:52] <Soprano> wait a minute
[17:53] <ounis> stupidity also is to ask a question with no relation at all with the context, like lamp question in an ubuntu IRC channel
[17:54] <ounis> in this I share the stupidity because I'm answering in the same IRC channel
[17:54] <ounis> to the out of context question
[17:55] <AminosAmigos> hey ounis  :)
[17:55] <Soprano> true , because for more than 2 weeks , j'ai cherché par tous et j'ai pas eu aucune solution , alors j'ai decidé de venir ici peut etre je la trouve
[17:55] <ounis> hey AminosAmigos
[17:55] <AminosAmigos> hey Soprano
[17:56] <Soprano> hey AminosAmigos :D
[17:56] <AminosAmigos> ounis,  we need a ##FreeSupport channel :p
[17:57] <Soprano> ounis , j'a arreté mysql like this service mysql stop
[17:57] <Soprano> then i put mysqld_safe 120823 21:57:20 mysqld_safe Logging to syslog. 120823 21:57:20 mysqld_safe A mysqld process already exists
[17:57] <Soprano> same error
[17:57] <ounis> not really I'm always on #hackerspace.tn channel there there is not really a strict topic we can talk about whatever we want
[17:57] <ounis> Soprano:
[17:58] <ounis> try > ps aux | grep mysqld
[17:58] <ounis> then kill all processes of mysqld
[17:58] <Soprano> ok
[17:58] <ounis> until ps aux | grep mysqld
[17:58] <ounis> give only itself in the output
[18:00] <AminosAmigos> lets change channel cuz this one is logged
[18:00] <AminosAmigos> and cannonical is about to sue us :p
[18:00] <ounis> who care
[18:00] <ounis> I really don't care about canonical
[18:01] <ounis> I even hate ubuntu
[18:01] <AminosAmigos> btw its a ubuntu problem =>
[18:01] <AminosAmigos> i know but i never understood why :/
[18:01] <ounis> it's one of the worst distros ever
[18:01] <ounis> meant for clickers & stupid users
[18:02] <AminosAmigos> Well we have to admit that there are stupid ppl
[18:02] <AminosAmigos> Don(t they deserve freedom ?
[18:02] <ounis> like non free software it's aim is to cover the beauty of the OS by nice & shiny GUI
[18:04] <ounis> making user more stupid
[18:04] <ounis> they say user don't need to learn let us make choice for him
[18:04] <ounis> you get my point now AminosAmigos?
[18:05] <ounis> I have more arguments but this one is the most important one
[18:05] <AminosAmigos> yeah
[18:06] <ounis> I just come here because in tunisia when people think about free software they think ubuntu is a free software
[18:06] <ounis> and #ubuntu-tn is where they need to find out it isn't
[18:06] <AminosAmigos> but if i may add it was the first distro i've tried and to be honest it helped me to get into the Gnu/linux world
[18:07] <ounis> pity you
[18:07] <AminosAmigos> its true that you wont get to learn much but you will have a more secure and stable OS than Winbugs
[18:07] <ounis> it's lik the baby duck syndrome
[18:07] <AminosAmigos> :)
[18:07] <AminosAmigos> enplane '' the baby duck syndrome''
[18:07] <ounis> people tend to return to the first thing they knew
[18:08] <ounis> just like baby duck think his mom is the first thing it see
[18:08] <AminosAmigos> LoooooOL
[18:09] <ounis> when you see people that started with distros like ubuntu, most of them stay clickers till the end of thir life
[18:10] <Soprano> ounis, AminosAmigos : me toot i wanna learn all thnigs about Linux
[18:10] <ounis> but people that compiled stuff from the beginning will get the tweaking virus and be hackers for the rest of their lives
[18:11] <AminosAmigos> Well i did learn about the CLI but i wont use it on a daily bases :D
[18:11] <ounis> LFS could help you open the truck & even open the engine then mount it yourself
[18:11] <ounis> see AminosAmigos
[18:11] <ounis> that's my point
[18:11] <ounis> exactly
[18:12] <Soprano> i wanna know more about it
[18:12] <AminosAmigos> Read books
[18:12] <AminosAmigos> ounis,  who do you consider as a clicker ?
[18:13] <ounis> when someone take 3 seconds to select right click  copy then right click then paste
[18:13] <ounis> it's a clicker
[18:13] <Soprano> ounis , mes message sont invisibles !!!
[18:14] <ounis> ctrl+c / ctrl+v in 1/2 a second
[18:14] <ounis> Soprano I answered to you
[18:14] <AminosAmigos> good i am not a clicker then :p
[18:14] <ounis> I said LFS !!!
[18:14] <ounis> wait AminosAmigos
[18:15] <ounis> I had one time a discussion with someone about benchmarking few software solutions
[18:15] <ounis> when we started discussing whether the solution is user friendly or not he excluded command line tools
[18:17] <ounis> when I see that the CLI was more user friendly because it had really few commands compared to the GUI tools where you need to learn how the developper decided to organize thing how to call them how the disposition is done etc
[18:18] <ounis> and especially when buttons are icons
[18:18] <AminosAmigos> yeah its faster to do thing through CLI
[18:18] <ounis> you need to learn what icon stand for what action
[18:18] <AminosAmigos> when you master it :)
[18:18] <ounis> and once you learn that you become dependant
[18:19] <ounis> it's hard to switch the tool
[18:19] <AminosAmigos> but the beginning is always hard
[18:19] <ounis> or swtch nother graphical chart
[18:19] <ounis> AminosAmigos it's all about will
[18:19] <ounis> if someone is willing to learn everything become easy
[18:20] <ounis> I have to admit some people don't wanna learn
[18:20] <ounis> that's clickers
[18:20] <ounis> clickers is the polite word for dumbshit/stupid/brainless/retard
[18:21] <ounis> AFK
[18:21] <AminosAmigos> i am not defending clickers but i think linux is about freedom and since the developpers provided a GUI they are free to use it
[18:21] <AminosAmigos> they will just have to deal with the bad side
[18:22] <AminosAmigos> not learning anything about the os they work on
[18:23] <Soprano> can i ask you !!!
[18:25] <AminosAmigos> tfadhel
[18:26] <AminosAmigos> ounis,  have you tried Koding.com ?
[18:26] <Soprano> how can i learn all about Linux !!!
[18:27] <ounis> AminosAmigos no
[18:27] <AminosAmigos> i told you read books/tutos/ watch videos / barbech ; don't be a clicker like ounis  says :p
[18:28] <AminosAmigos> Ps: u can't learn everything about Linux ;)
[18:28] <AminosAmigos> its a cool idea :)
[18:28] <AminosAmigos> i have an invitation if you want
[18:30] <Soprano> Got it :) thanks , some day i will return to this chanell and i will not be a cliker like ounis said , promis
[18:31] <ounis> AminosAmigos I'm not interested
[18:31] <ounis> I'm against the cloud principle
[18:31] <ounis> I'm fully satisfies with the ssh connection on my beloved servers
[18:31] <ounis> satisfied*
[18:32] <ounis> and thanks AminosAmigos
[18:35] <Soprano> ounis; do you think really i'm stupid !!
[18:35] <ounis> IDK
[18:35] <ounis> I don't know you
[18:36] <ounis> people may be stupid or just act stupid sometimes
[18:36] <Soprano> Yes
[18:36] <ounis> I don't think someone trying to learn could be stupid
[18:37] <Soprano> Yes
[18:37] <Soprano> can i ask you a personnel question !!
[18:37] <ounis> depends
[18:37] <Soprano> it's simple
[18:38] <ounis> ok you can ask I may not answer
[18:38] <Soprano> Ok
[18:38] <Soprano> what you have studied ??
[18:39] <ounis> computer science
[18:40] <ounis> that's what I can prove by paper
[18:40] <ounis> but I studied other stuff by myself
[18:40] <Soprano> ok , i have studied nursing ( Bac + 3 )
[18:41] <Soprano> :S
[18:41] <ounis> I have no proof that I studied other things but my knowledge
[18:41] <ounis> :)
[18:42] <Soprano> me , i have studied sciences and it's my fault of my life
[18:42] <Soprano> sorry, i have studied sciences nursing  and it's my fault of my life
[18:42] <ounis> studies may teach you the way to deal with the knowledge you aquire it doesn't (and is not supposed to) give you that knowledge
[18:43] <Soprano> and i wanna so hard to get learn more about linux , that's why you see me a stupid because i'm excited and i ask many questions in one question
[18:44] <ounis> so nursing or language studies or histoey is always a good thing in the way of learning how to deal with your knowledge
[18:44] <ounis> history*
[18:44] <ounis> like tools
[18:45] <ounis> now you need matter to deal with
[18:45] <ounis> that's knowledge you are supposed to aquire by yourself
[18:45] <Soprano> yes
[18:45] <ounis> knwoledge without the good tools is worthless
[18:46] <ounis> tools without matter to deal with is useless
[18:47] <Soprano> Right
[18:47] <ounis> Soprano do you want a gift
[18:47] <ounis> ?
[18:47] <Soprano> yep , i wish
[18:48] <ounis> it's an advice you maybe heard before, but I want to think about it more & more
[18:48] <ounis> it's the most important advice I can give you
[18:48] <ounis> it could be the key to learning better
[18:49] <ounis> without it it's very hard to learn
[18:49] <ounis> maybe even impossible to learn
[18:49] <ounis> here it is
[18:49] <ounis> never hesitate to say "I don't know"
[18:49] <ounis> when I say never it's never
[18:50] <ounis> don't even thing about hesitating to say it
[18:50] <ounis> think*
[18:50] <Soprano> yeah
[18:50] <ounis> people may feel it hard as a word to say
[18:51] <Soprano> i already said to you yesterday that i don' know
[18:51] <ounis> but when they get used to it and feel no shame to say it
[18:51] <ounis> they become learning as fast as never before
[18:51] <ounis> I say this to everyone I don't mean you in particular
[18:52] <ounis> think about it
[18:52] <ounis> never think people will laugh at you when you admit you don't know something
[18:53] <Soprano> i know
[18:53] <ounis> they may laugh when you pretend knowing something you don't know and they believe me it will appear
[18:54] <ounis> as we always say nobody come to this life with his knowledge we all started as n00bs
[18:54] <Soprano> trust me , some day , i will not ask stupid questions
[18:55] <ounis> :) ok
[18:55] <ounis> you can start from now
[18:55] <Soprano> maybe , you see that i'm stuped because i wanna learn all things in the same time
[18:56] <ounis> no I don't like when someone suppose something that maybe wrong and ask his question based on that wrong conviction
[18:56] <Soprano> Yes you're right
[18:57] <ounis> the good way is to base the question only on the things someone is sure about
[18:57] <ounis> even if it's too small
[18:57] <Soprano> yes , as i'm :S
[18:58] <ounis> Who care if you are or arn't
[18:58] <ounis> we're talking in general
[18:58] <Soprano> my only problem it's that i can't explain the problem
[18:58] <ounis> well language my friend is mandatory in the process of learning
[18:58] <Soprano> i should know many things like package
[18:59] <Soprano> serices ...
[18:59] <Soprano> processus
[18:59] <ounis> when talk get technical choice of words need to be accurate
[18:59] <Soprano> yes that's my problem
[19:00] <Soprano> an exemple , i try to fin a solution to mysql and i don't know what callin' mysql
[19:00] <Soprano> it's a database or something else
[19:00] <Soprano> i don't know
[19:00] <ounis> :)
[19:00] <Soprano> that's why i have diffuclti to explain my problem
[19:00] <Soprano> i should know more technicals words
[19:00] <ounis> well internet is your only help
[19:01] <ounis> all information is there
[19:01] <Soprano> Yes , i have read mani doc
[19:01] <Soprano> many*
[19:02] <ounis> one more thing
[19:03] <ounis> it's a shame to try to learn technical stuff in french, while ~99% of the information on internet is in english
[19:04] <ounis> I get mad when I see that people keep trying to find valuable information in french
[19:04] <Soprano> yes , i know , i try to learn it in English , i see it's the one who can explain to you all things
[19:05] <Soprano> so , ounis , if ask another time a question please try to understand me and correct to me what i have bad explain
[19:06] <Soprano> sorry, if a ask you ....
[19:07] <Soprano> like that i learn how can i descripe the problem next time
[19:07] <Soprano> it's helpfull for me
[19:17] <ounis> ok
[19:17] <ounis> I was AFK