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bobweavertgm4883,  do you have admin access to the weekly updates ? I was thinking that adding embeded video would be a googd idea for things like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JKctfzxLcA&feature=g-all-u00:09
tgm4883bobweaver, no I don't00:10
bobweaverthanks for getting back to me00:10
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ShowboatGertrudeYESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS Dude called me back !! I am going to pick up the netbook to make into a remote then This is going to be flippen awesome01:26
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smartboyhwMate, someone add http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2045409 to the topic:)11:19
smartboyhwjhodapp: Good post on the forums:)13:09
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jhodappthanks smartboyhw13:10
smartboyhwjhodapp: Link it to the topic of the channel:)13:10
jhodappI can't, don't have ops13:10
smartboyhwOh13:10
smartboyhwAsk popey then13:10
popeynah13:11
smartboyhwUh13:11
popeynot much point linking to every forum thread that mentions tv13:11
smartboyhw:)13:11
smartboyhwYo bobweaver14:10
bobweaverhey smartboyhw  how are you today ?14:11
smartboyhwFine14:11
bobweaverSo I think my picketing worked yesterday !14:11
smartboyhwGood14:11
bobweavergot a email from a man tha has been to space14:11
smartboyhwOK14:12
bobweaversmartboyhw,  also the guy with the system 76 finaly got back to me and I am going to go pick it up at 2pm14:21
bobweaverI hope that this is not some sorta prank14:21
smartboyhwbobweaver: :)14:21
smartboyhwGood luck mate14:21
bobweaverthanks smartboyhw14:22
bobweavertgm4883,  if you do have some free time I would love to either 1) set up a metting for once a week for things that the *whole* team thinks is good and move from there14:39
smartboyhwbobweaver: I will join14:39
tgm4883bobweaver, not sure the content, give me an example?14:40
bobweaversure tgm4883    so like with the massive move to vala and cached db we can use that for are advatge in say making you awesome scope have previews14:41
bobweaverLike have a wiki page with agenda's that anyone can put down then have once a week or 2 X a month a meeting on ubuntu-meetings14:41
bobweaverkinda modal that the forums use14:42
smartboyhwYeah14:42
tgm4883I'm not sure we'll have any content for that until after UDS14:42
bobweaver+114:42
tgm4883is this just to show how stuff works?14:42
bobweaverbut there is stuff comming belive me please on that14:42
smartboyhw+114:42
bobweavertgm4883,  after picketing and asking questions for 3 months I finaly got a email from a certian person that has been to space ..14:43
bobweavergot the email like 5 hours ago14:44
tgm4883ok, but that doesn't translate into exactly what these meetings are for14:44
bobweavermy frustrations where overmounting me14:44
tgm4883I mean, I can add my stuff to the agenta14:44
tgm4883agenda14:44
bobweaverthey will just be like check in14:44
smartboyhw!!!14:44
tgm4883so it's just for status updates?14:44
bobweaverand also like brain washers (think tank )14:44
smartboyhwbobweaver: Brain washers?14:45
bobweaverwell that and also new Ideas14:45
bobweaverthink tanks smartboyhw14:45
smartboyhwMaybe brainstorming?14:45
bobweaverI just dont want any one too feel the frustration thatn I felt that is all14:45
bobweaverEXample ::: I am Stuck between a rock and a hard place. 1) Ubuntu tv uses QT (unity 2d) atm I can keep building on top of this but there is no point as Unity 2d is being scraped 2) If I make a Unity 3d Ubuntu TV then it will also be tossed away. Because I am one not a canonical employee and 2) one the Unity Team creates the Ubuntu tv experience on  Unity 3d Mine will be worthless. So This is what I want. I want to work with the people tha14:47
bobweavert are working on Unity 3d integration of Ubuntu TV. So That I can communicate with them and Help out with some code (even if it is just comments) .For Real thou, All I would like to do is help out and have one cool tv. This is it. And I kinda have that with QT. But as you can image it is hard for me because of the things that are listed above. I am smart and I am powerful I can help you guys.14:47
tgm4883ok I think I can see how that would work14:47
smartboyhwbobweaver: Next time use paste.ubuntu.com:)14:47
smartboyhwbobweaver: Like!14:47
bobweaverI do not wnt people to feel that way at all that is how I have felt for the last 3 months14:48
tgm4883bobweaver, I agree with all that, but I think you'll need buy-in from will14:48
bobweaver+1 tgm488314:48
smartboyhw!!!!!14:48
smartboyhw+114:48
tgm4883bobweaver, you and me are in the same boat brother14:48
bobweaverthat has to change tgm4883  you are smart and powerful14:48
bobweaverthere is a million things that need to be done14:49
smartboyhw+1 bobweaver14:49
tgm4883bobweaver, that is one of the reasons I pushed to start the weekly updates14:49
bobweaveryou rocked the testcard14:49
smartboyhwI think we can have a meeting once a month.14:49
bobweaveryou seen it in action it is awesome !14:49
tgm4883bobweaver, if only I could get it reviewed ;)14:49
bobweaverlol14:49
smartboyhwtgm4883: Why?14:49
bobweavermhall119,  ^^^14:49
tgm4883speaking of, mhall119 how goes the queue?14:50
tgm4883smartboyhw, it needs to be reviewed to get into the repos14:50
tgm4883smartboyhw, and the queue is backed up14:50
smartboyhwtgm4883: Oh14:50
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tgm4883I blame mhall119 for puting on such a great contest ;)14:50
smartboyhw:)14:51
smartboyhwActually, do you only need devs in grilo? That's strange14:51
mhall119tgm4883: have you poked the ARB to review it?14:52
bobweaverlike lets look at the previews now that are public there Ok that is MHO just Ok I think that Mine in QT are better more iteractive id we can get mike or david to maybe how up at these meeting{s}  then we can get there imput14:52
bobweaverthey are both 2 bamf14:52
mhall119bobweaver: which meetings?14:52
tgm4883mhall119, I have to poke someone to review it?14:53
bobweaverahh mhall119  we are talking about orginizing a weekly/bi-weekly Ubuntu TV meeting14:53
bobweaverjust talk atm thou14:53
smartboyhwbobweaver: Make it monthly by now:)14:53
bobweavermhall119,  like a think tank / review14:53
tgm4883bobweaver, it will probably need to be in the form of developer days14:54
tgm4883which there are dedicated weeks for, there will just need to be a Ubuntu TV session14:54
bobweaverbut we need to talk to some other 1st to get there thoughts like popey  and saviq jhodapp  and will ect14:54
smartboyhw:)14:54
bobweaverthat is a great idea tgm488314:55
smartboyhwWait, popey showed up earlier ago, didn't he14:55
mhall119tgm4883: you don't have to poke someone, but it helps :)14:55
tgm4883thanks, but developer days existed before I had the idea ;)14:55
bobweaverpopey,  is everywhere dont think that he is not standing begind you !!14:55
popeyBoo!14:55
bobweaverlol14:55
mhall119bobweaver: as long as it dosn't conflict with any other meetings I have, I'd love ot join14:55
tgm4883mhall119, I'm not in too much of a rush, I need it in alongside Ubuntu TV14:55
smartboyhwlol14:56
bobweaversweet mhall119  thanks !14:56
smartboyhwI will join the meetings too.14:56
bobweaverok so plains for this is to 1st get other views and then came back to a concencous14:56
tgm4883popey isn't a person, he's an idea. And thus, can (and is) everywhere14:56
tgm4883We are popey!14:57
smartboyhw!14:57
mhall119we can never be popey, we can only aspire to be popey one day, if our deeds in this live are deemed worthy14:57
bobweavermhall119,  maybe you can help me would this be better for IRC or for google hang out and if so where to get the cool plugins ?14:58
smartboyhwbobweaver: iRC14:58
mhall119a hangout would work, as long as there aren't too many people14:58
mhall119IRC might be easier for more people though14:58
bobweaverplugins= cool bat at bottom of screen14:58
bobweavergood point mhall119  great input(that is why I asked you :) )14:59
smartboyhw!14:59
bobweaverso just as a recap . talk to others that are 1 empoyed for this project and get them on board talk to davidcalle and Micheal to see if we can get there imput as there awesome lens and scope devs (not that any of us are not ) come back and set some  conclusions15:01
bobweaveranything else or tgm4883  what about some of your contacts in the mythtv world there alway's talking about you when I ask questions ofer there15:02
bobweaverover *15:02
smartboyhw:)15:02
bobweavercan you think of key people that would be good for this  ?15:02
bobweavermhall119,  you are awesome at community management (I mean that ) maybe you could watch over use and give pointer and maybe think of more ways to spread the word ?15:03
tgm4883bobweaver, not really, other than myself and maybe some of the Mythbuntu developers (rhpot1991). At the most, we'd have to request some additions to the MythTV API but it's pretty solid right now15:03
tgm4883I only mention rhpot1991 cause he hangs out here15:04
smartboyhwWell, one day if you have dev work other than grilo to dev, I can help15:04
rhpot1991here I am15:04
mhall119bobweaver: I'd be happy too, I also have access to the Ubuntu TV pages on Facebook and Google+, so I can use them to let people know about the meeting15:04
* rhpot1991 reads backlog15:04
bobweaverthat is somthing that is kinda like #1 on the list are we going to use myth for are dvr/pvr services15:04
smartboyhwDo we HAVE a Ubuntu TV page?15:04
smartboyhwGIve me the link:)15:04
mhall119https://plus.google.com/b/104659991254860976283/104659991254860976283/posts15:05
mhall119https://www.facebook.com/UbuntuTV15:05
tgm4883bobweaver, the word on that AFAIK, is no. But, as it's unity it should be able to work as a scope with full functionality15:05
smartboyhwSo when is the first meeting?15:05
tgm4883at least that is what I'm pushing for15:05
smartboyhwThanks15:05
bobweavertgm4883,  great idea like just using the backend then call the services via scope ?15:06
tgm4883mhall119, I like the top post on the google+ page :)15:06
tgm4883bobweaver, exactly15:06
tgm4883bobweaver, similar to how it works now, but I'll need to add functionality15:06
smartboyhw:)15:06
bobweaverthat should def go on a list of agenda's15:06
tgm4883so the guide will need to be able to schedule recordings in mythtv15:06
tgm4883that would be the big one I think15:06
bobweaverlike #1 or something like that15:06
mhall119tgm4883: bobweaver: before you make too many plans for the agenda, make sure you get saviq and jhodapp's input about whether or not those there would even be an option for Canonical15:07
tgm4883I make no plans15:07
bobweaver+1 mhall119  , tgm4883  the only thing that I can not get and maybe you can help with this is the start time and ending time for calling the servies api for guidedata15:08
tgm4883bobweaver, so the start and end for the view?15:09
bobweaveryeah dynmicly get that info has been a issue for me but once again that is on QT not glib or anything like that15:09
mhall119bbl, meeting time15:09
tgm4883aka "show be the next 4 hours of recordings"?15:09
bobweavercya mhall119  thanks for the input you rock !15:10
bobweavertgm4883,  correct15:10
tgm4883bobweaver, there is an API for that, are you having trouble pulling it?15:10
tgm4883actually, it's required data, so you have to be using it if you are getting any guide data15:11
tgm4883unless you are still pulling from mythweb15:11
bobweavernope just seting the date (start date )  to be dynamic meaning starting Right now15:11
tgm4883well you should still have to set an end date15:12
tgm4883http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Guide_Service#GetProgramGuide15:12
bobweaverlike I tried to use javascript to grab that (start date ) and works but is kinda slow15:12
bobweaveryeah I guess that that is still the rock and the hard place so to say with qt and there awesome XMLLISTMODEL15:13
bobweaversorry about the caps15:13
tgm4883no worries15:13
smartboyhwbobweaver: Don't worry about caps, I always use it15:13
tgm4883The data should be easily pullable and broken down into a smaller time frame15:13
bobweavertgm4883,  this is what I was using http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7-snapshot/qml-xmllistmodel.html15:13
tgm4883hmm, this doesn't look like python ;)15:14
bobweaverlol15:14
bobweaverno it is not python notice the part    "     source: "http://www.mysite.com/feed.xml""15:15
tgm4883yep15:15
bobweaverthat would be      source: "http://127.0.0.1/api/to/myth/guide/data15:15
tgm4883right15:15
bobweaverthat is easy solution but I am sure that there is a better on that could be python15:16
tgm4883and you aren't getting any XML returned?15:16
bobweaverYup I am getting the guide back just not the right Starting time15:16
tgm4883ah15:16
bobweaverlike it is reading all the info parsing it but it is just the start time that I am having trobles with15:16
tgm4883so the start time is off?15:17
tgm4883is it like 5 hours off?15:17
bobweaverlike my guide always starts on aug 7 of 2012 0:0:015:17
bobweaverbecause that is what I have hard coded in ^^15:17
tgm4883ok15:18
bobweaverhttp://127.0.0.1:6544/Guide/GetProgramGuide?StartTime=2012-08-07T00:00:00&EndTime=2015-10-03T20:00:0015:18
tgm4883so you've hardcoded in 2012-08-07T00:00:0015:18
bobweavercorrect15:19
tgm4883and it's not returning back that start time?15:19
bobweaverNo it is but the guide should start on today at this time right now15:19
bobweaverso my idea was15:19
tgm4883ah15:19
tgm4883bobweaver, you should find current time, round back to the nearest half hour and then request from there15:20
bobweaverto make a varible for the time (javascript) then use that in the source: "http://127.0.0.1:6544/Guide/GetProgramGuide?StartTime="+var1"+&EndTime=2015-10-03T20:00:0015:20
bobweaveror a function either way15:21
tgm4883yea15:21
tgm4883that makes sense15:21
bobweavercating them togeather has been the troubles :)15:21
tgm4883well you've got  two things I don't know. QT and JavaScript15:22
smartboyhw:)15:22
tgm4883care to throw some C++ in there for the trifecta?15:22
bobweaverlike have to make 3 or 4 vars then cat all togeather call like var guide =api1+ap2+    source: guide15:22
bobweaverI am down :) wait I am always down for C++15:23
bobweaverthere is also other things that are cool that are not being utilized like states and transitions15:24
bobweavertake a look at this when you get a min http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjjIk4e_6Q415:25
tgm4883heh, when I get a minute15:25
tgm4883I don't know if I'll have many free minutes today15:25
bobweaver:015:25
smartboyhwI'm having problems with YouTube these days with Windows 8 heere15:25
bobweavertgm4883,  dude got back to me on system 7615:25
tgm4883smartboyhw, I think you just stated the isue15:26
tgm4883issue15:26
smartboyhwtgm4883: Why?15:26
tgm4883" Windows 8 heere"15:26
smartboyhwtgm4883: I will install Ubuntu systems (It's systemS) tmr.15:26
smartboyhwAll 12.04.1:)LOL15:27
bobweaverwouldn't it be just the bezz-knezz if system 76 could provide not nly hardware for Ubuntu tv but also remotes bamf remotes15:28
bobweavermy new antenta that I made better last night http://imagebin.org/22559315:39
smartboyhw:)15:39
jhodapp_did pstolowski try to replace it with 0.10?16:42
jhodapp_oops, wrong channel16:42
jhodapp_bobweaver, what's your email address?20:08
bobweaverjosephjamesmills@ubuntu.com20:14
jhodapp_thanks20:14
bobweaverno sammy spammer :)20:14
bobweaverlol20:14
jhodapp_what else would I want it for? ;)20:15
* popey signs bobweaver up for some interesting mail20:15
bobweaverNIce guys20:15
* bobweaver ducks 20:15
bobweaverwell at least I will feel wanted20:15
bobweaverSo I got the system 76 talked dude down to one hundred20:17
jhodapp_bobweaver, you've got mail!20:30
bobweaverchecking spam box now20:31
bobweaver:)20:31
bobweaverjhodapp,  there is alot about that that is .... kinda sounds like a song I will try to be more patient . but it has been 3 months20:39
bobweaverI will work on the preview stuff BTBH there are things in there That I do not understand20:40
bobweaverthanks for the words jhodapp20:40
jhodapp_bobweaver, I know man, I wish I could give you x, y and z to work on but I just am not able to yet20:50
jhodapp_bobweaver, the point of my email though is there are things that can be worked with today, and a lot of it is what you have been waiting for20:51
bobweaverjhodapp,  2 sec on phone20:51
jhodapp_k20:51
bobweaverOk I am off20:52
bobweaverright I understand 100% what you are saying with the xyz thingy and also the previews thing but there are a couple of things that I do not understand still20:53
bobweaverthe things that are the most imporant in my mind20:53
bobweaverand that is the formfactors20:53
bobweaverhow that is goign to be handled20:53
jhodapp_ask on the unity-dev list, that's a great and reasonable question20:53
jhodapp_it'd be a great discussion20:53
bobweaverI talk to the peps on Ubuntu-unity and I get confused because I get told all sorts of things20:54
bobweaverI dont understand why Ubuntu TV has to be a formfactor and why it can not just be a standalone app20:54
bobweaverlike myth or xbmc20:54
bobweaverI will ask these questions on the mailing list thanks again jhodapp20:55
jhodapp_bobweaver, that is because of the unified vision20:55
jhodapp_bobweaver, the value add is in a consistent, familiar UX and ecosystem20:56
bobweaverI get that but is there real sense in that it come come overbloated and be slow because of that20:57
jhodapp_bobweaver, doesn't that part make sense to you?20:57
jhodapp_bobweaver, does it have to be?20:57
bobweaveror that there is more bugs because there is more code20:57
bobweaverwell they say 100 lines of code = 1 bug20:57
jhodapp_no less bugs, because it is shared code20:57
jhodapp_I'm not sure it makes sense to do something called Ubuntu TV, that is completely separate from the rest of what Ubuntu is doing.20:58
bobweaverjhodapp,  the core devs  still think that --force-tv20:59
bobweaveris good ?20:59
bobweaverthat is not what I am saying it is great that ubuntu is unifiying the desktop that is what I love about unity20:59
bobweaverI understand that21:00
jhodapp_ok, what part do you need more explanation on then?21:00
bobweaverI love that , but there seems like there has to be a point when more is less21:00
bobweaversorry lol the other way around21:00
bobweaverless is more *21:00
tgm4883bobweaver, I was in the "lets use already made <X APP>" camp for quite a bit until I understood unity and how it's beneficial to use it21:01
jhodapp_bobweaver, but that's exactly it, Unity is "less is more"21:01
bobweaverso if the core devs are pondering makeing a sub section libary then that is great and I am all about that .I think that that is a good idea.But where is the flow charts where is the documention for NUX21:02
bobweaverthere is seems to be a common trend21:02
tgm4883You have to think of it as while Unity is unifying the desktop environment across different interfaces, it is also unifying the codebase21:02
tgm4883which is why it was important to move away from Unity 2d21:02
bobweaverthat the people that know nux are only the people that work fr canonical because they are trained ? am I off on that  ?21:03
tgm4883Unified codebase means someone finds a bug in something else, bammo, ubuntu tv benefits21:03
jhodapp_bobweaver, Nux is new, that's why it's not well documented21:03
bobweaverso is qt-quick21:03
tgm4883if Ubuntu TV were to skin XBMC (or some other app), that wouldn't benefit us21:03
jhodapp_tgm4883, precisely21:03
tgm4883less eyes, more bugs :(21:03
bobweaverthat is not at all what I would want21:04
bobweaverxbmc has no way to play live tv << joke21:04
tgm4883bobweaver, it's getting there21:04
bobweaverbut for real That is not what I think is a good idea21:04
tgm4883also, live tv is terrible21:04
tgm4883I pity anyone that has to watch live tv21:04
bobweaveryeah I am not trying to complain I just want a clear head and not to feel like I do 30 minutes to a hour after I wake up. I think to myself ok today I am going to fix this on my TV and I end up stopping or it just gets in the way because I am not "in the loop "21:06
jhodapp_hey guys, I gotta run for now, I will continue this conversation with you again21:06
bobweavercya jhodapp21:06
jhodapp_have a good one guys!21:07
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bobweaverI see it is in Unity-standalone21:58
bobweavercompiz (core) - Info: Loading plugin: force_tv22:03
bobweavercompiz (core) - Error: Failed to load plugin: force_tv22:03
bobweavertvtgm4883, you around and got a sec for support (myth front end)  no matter what I enter for hostname it is not connecting to my other box O*23:31

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