[00:09] <bobweaver> tgm4883,  do you have admin access to the weekly updates ? I was thinking that adding embeded video would be a googd idea for things like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JKctfzxLcA&feature=g-all-u
[00:10] <tgm4883> bobweaver, no I don't
[00:10] <bobweaver> thanks for getting back to me
[01:26] <ShowboatGertrude> YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS Dude called me back !! I am going to pick up the netbook to make into a remote then This is going to be flippen awesome
[11:19] <smartboyhw> Mate, someone add http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2045409 to the topic:)
[13:09] <smartboyhw> jhodapp: Good post on the forums:)
[13:10] <jhodapp> thanks smartboyhw
[13:10] <smartboyhw> jhodapp: Link it to the topic of the channel:)
[13:10] <jhodapp> I can't, don't have ops
[13:10] <smartboyhw> Oh
[13:10] <smartboyhw> Ask popey then
[13:11] <popey> nah
[13:11] <smartboyhw> Uh
[13:11] <popey> not much point linking to every forum thread that mentions tv
[13:11] <smartboyhw> :)
[14:10] <smartboyhw> Yo bobweaver
[14:11] <bobweaver> hey smartboyhw  how are you today ?
[14:11] <smartboyhw> Fine
[14:11] <bobweaver> So I think my picketing worked yesterday !
[14:11] <smartboyhw> Good
[14:11] <bobweaver> got a email from a man tha has been to space
[14:12] <smartboyhw> OK
[14:21] <bobweaver> smartboyhw,  also the guy with the system 76 finaly got back to me and I am going to go pick it up at 2pm
[14:21] <bobweaver> I hope that this is not some sorta prank
[14:21] <smartboyhw> bobweaver: :)
[14:21] <smartboyhw> Good luck mate
[14:22] <bobweaver> thanks smartboyhw
[14:39] <bobweaver> tgm4883,  if you do have some free time I would love to either 1) set up a metting for once a week for things that the *whole* team thinks is good and move from there
[14:39] <smartboyhw> bobweaver: I will join
[14:40] <tgm4883> bobweaver, not sure the content, give me an example?
[14:41] <bobweaver> sure tgm4883    so like with the massive move to vala and cached db we can use that for are advatge in say making you awesome scope have previews
[14:41] <bobweaver> Like have a wiki page with agenda's that anyone can put down then have once a week or 2 X a month a meeting on ubuntu-meetings
[14:42] <bobweaver> kinda modal that the forums use
[14:42] <smartboyhw> Yeah
[14:42] <tgm4883> I'm not sure we'll have any content for that until after UDS
[14:42] <bobweaver> +1
[14:42] <tgm4883> is this just to show how stuff works?
[14:42] <bobweaver> but there is stuff comming belive me please on that
[14:42] <smartboyhw> +1
[14:43] <bobweaver> tgm4883,  after picketing and asking questions for 3 months I finaly got a email from a certian person that has been to space ..
[14:44] <bobweaver> got the email like 5 hours ago
[14:44] <tgm4883> ok, but that doesn't translate into exactly what these meetings are for
[14:44] <bobweaver> my frustrations where overmounting me
[14:44] <tgm4883> I mean, I can add my stuff to the agenta
[14:44] <tgm4883> agenda
[14:44] <bobweaver> they will just be like check in
[14:44] <smartboyhw> !!!
[14:44] <tgm4883> so it's just for status updates?
[14:44] <bobweaver> and also like brain washers (think tank )
[14:45] <smartboyhw> bobweaver: Brain washers?
[14:45] <bobweaver> well that and also new Ideas
[14:45] <bobweaver> think tanks smartboyhw
[14:45] <smartboyhw> Maybe brainstorming?
[14:45] <bobweaver> I just dont want any one too feel the frustration thatn I felt that is all
[14:47] <bobweaver> EXample ::: I am Stuck between a rock and a hard place. 1) Ubuntu tv uses QT (unity 2d) atm I can keep building on top of this but there is no point as Unity 2d is being scraped 2) If I make a Unity 3d Ubuntu TV then it will also be tossed away. Because I am one not a canonical employee and 2) one the Unity Team creates the Ubuntu tv experience on  Unity 3d Mine will be worthless. So This is what I want. I want to work with the people tha
[14:47] <bobweaver> t are working on Unity 3d integration of Ubuntu TV. So That I can communicate with them and Help out with some code (even if it is just comments) .For Real thou, All I would like to do is help out and have one cool tv. This is it. And I kinda have that with QT. But as you can image it is hard for me because of the things that are listed above. I am smart and I am powerful I can help you guys.
[14:47] <tgm4883> ok I think I can see how that would work
[14:47] <smartboyhw> bobweaver: Next time use paste.ubuntu.com:)
[14:47] <smartboyhw> bobweaver: Like!
[14:48] <bobweaver> I do not wnt people to feel that way at all that is how I have felt for the last 3 months
[14:48] <tgm4883> bobweaver, I agree with all that, but I think you'll need buy-in from will
[14:48] <bobweaver> +1 tgm4883
[14:48] <smartboyhw> !!!!!
[14:48] <smartboyhw> +1
[14:48] <tgm4883> bobweaver, you and me are in the same boat brother
[14:48] <bobweaver> that has to change tgm4883  you are smart and powerful
[14:49] <bobweaver> there is a million things that need to be done
[14:49] <smartboyhw> +1 bobweaver
[14:49] <tgm4883> bobweaver, that is one of the reasons I pushed to start the weekly updates
[14:49] <bobweaver> you rocked the testcard
[14:49] <smartboyhw> I think we can have a meeting once a month.
[14:49] <bobweaver> you seen it in action it is awesome !
[14:49] <tgm4883> bobweaver, if only I could get it reviewed ;)
[14:49] <bobweaver> lol
[14:49] <smartboyhw> tgm4883: Why?
[14:49] <bobweaver> mhall119,  ^^^
[14:50] <tgm4883> speaking of, mhall119 how goes the queue?
[14:50] <tgm4883> smartboyhw, it needs to be reviewed to get into the repos
[14:50] <tgm4883> smartboyhw, and the queue is backed up
[14:50] <smartboyhw> tgm4883: Oh
[14:50] <tgm4883> I blame mhall119 for puting on such a great contest ;)
[14:51] <smartboyhw> :)
[14:51] <smartboyhw> Actually, do you only need devs in grilo? That's strange
[14:52] <mhall119> tgm4883: have you poked the ARB to review it?
[14:52] <bobweaver> like lets look at the previews now that are public there Ok that is MHO just Ok I think that Mine in QT are better more iteractive id we can get mike or david to maybe how up at these meeting{s}  then we can get there imput
[14:52] <bobweaver> they are both 2 bamf
[14:52] <mhall119> bobweaver: which meetings?
[14:53] <tgm4883> mhall119, I have to poke someone to review it?
[14:53] <bobweaver> ahh mhall119  we are talking about orginizing a weekly/bi-weekly Ubuntu TV meeting
[14:53] <bobweaver> just talk atm thou
[14:53] <smartboyhw> bobweaver: Make it monthly by now:)
[14:53] <bobweaver> mhall119,  like a think tank / review
[14:54] <tgm4883> bobweaver, it will probably need to be in the form of developer days
[14:54] <tgm4883> which there are dedicated weeks for, there will just need to be a Ubuntu TV session
[14:54] <bobweaver> but we need to talk to some other 1st to get there thoughts like popey  and saviq jhodapp  and will ect
[14:54] <smartboyhw> :)
[14:55] <bobweaver> that is a great idea tgm4883
[14:55] <smartboyhw> Wait, popey showed up earlier ago, didn't he
[14:55] <mhall119> tgm4883: you don't have to poke someone, but it helps :)
[14:55] <tgm4883> thanks, but developer days existed before I had the idea ;)
[14:55] <bobweaver> popey,  is everywhere dont think that he is not standing begind you !!
[14:55] <popey> Boo!
[14:55] <bobweaver> lol
[14:55] <mhall119> bobweaver: as long as it dosn't conflict with any other meetings I have, I'd love ot join
[14:55] <tgm4883> mhall119, I'm not in too much of a rush, I need it in alongside Ubuntu TV
[14:56] <smartboyhw> lol
[14:56] <bobweaver> sweet mhall119  thanks !
[14:56] <smartboyhw> I will join the meetings too.
[14:56] <bobweaver> ok so plains for this is to 1st get other views and then came back to a concencous
[14:56] <tgm4883> popey isn't a person, he's an idea. And thus, can (and is) everywhere
[14:57] <tgm4883> We are popey!
[14:57] <smartboyhw> !
[14:57] <mhall119> we can never be popey, we can only aspire to be popey one day, if our deeds in this live are deemed worthy
[14:58] <bobweaver> mhall119,  maybe you can help me would this be better for IRC or for google hang out and if so where to get the cool plugins ?
[14:58] <smartboyhw> bobweaver: iRC
[14:58] <mhall119> a hangout would work, as long as there aren't too many people
[14:58] <mhall119> IRC might be easier for more people though
[14:58] <bobweaver> plugins= cool bat at bottom of screen
[14:59] <bobweaver> good point mhall119  great input(that is why I asked you :) )
[14:59] <smartboyhw> !
[15:01] <bobweaver> so just as a recap . talk to others that are 1 empoyed for this project and get them on board talk to davidcalle and Micheal to see if we can get there imput as there awesome lens and scope devs (not that any of us are not ) come back and set some  conclusions
[15:02] <bobweaver> anything else or tgm4883  what about some of your contacts in the mythtv world there alway's talking about you when I ask questions ofer there
[15:02] <bobweaver> over *
[15:02] <smartboyhw> :)
[15:02] <bobweaver> can you think of key people that would be good for this  ?
[15:03] <bobweaver> mhall119,  you are awesome at community management (I mean that ) maybe you could watch over use and give pointer and maybe think of more ways to spread the word ?
[15:03] <tgm4883> bobweaver, not really, other than myself and maybe some of the Mythbuntu developers (rhpot1991). At the most, we'd have to request some additions to the MythTV API but it's pretty solid right now
[15:04] <tgm4883> I only mention rhpot1991 cause he hangs out here
[15:04] <smartboyhw> Well, one day if you have dev work other than grilo to dev, I can help
[15:04] <rhpot1991> here I am
[15:04] <mhall119> bobweaver: I'd be happy too, I also have access to the Ubuntu TV pages on Facebook and Google+, so I can use them to let people know about the meeting
[15:04]  * rhpot1991 reads backlog
[15:04] <bobweaver> that is somthing that is kinda like #1 on the list are we going to use myth for are dvr/pvr services
[15:04] <smartboyhw> Do we HAVE a Ubuntu TV page?
[15:04] <smartboyhw> GIve me the link:)
[15:05] <mhall119> https://plus.google.com/b/104659991254860976283/104659991254860976283/posts
[15:05] <mhall119> https://www.facebook.com/UbuntuTV
[15:05] <tgm4883> bobweaver, the word on that AFAIK, is no. But, as it's unity it should be able to work as a scope with full functionality
[15:05] <smartboyhw> So when is the first meeting?
[15:05] <tgm4883> at least that is what I'm pushing for
[15:05] <smartboyhw> Thanks
[15:06] <bobweaver> tgm4883,  great idea like just using the backend then call the services via scope ?
[15:06] <tgm4883> mhall119, I like the top post on the google+ page :)
[15:06] <tgm4883> bobweaver, exactly
[15:06] <tgm4883> bobweaver, similar to how it works now, but I'll need to add functionality
[15:06] <smartboyhw> :)
[15:06] <bobweaver> that should def go on a list of agenda's
[15:06] <tgm4883> so the guide will need to be able to schedule recordings in mythtv
[15:06] <tgm4883> that would be the big one I think
[15:06] <bobweaver> like #1 or something like that
[15:07] <mhall119> tgm4883: bobweaver: before you make too many plans for the agenda, make sure you get saviq and jhodapp's input about whether or not those there would even be an option for Canonical
[15:07] <tgm4883> I make no plans
[15:08] <bobweaver> +1 mhall119  , tgm4883  the only thing that I can not get and maybe you can help with this is the start time and ending time for calling the servies api for guidedata
[15:09] <tgm4883> bobweaver, so the start and end for the view?
[15:09] <bobweaver> yeah dynmicly get that info has been a issue for me but once again that is on QT not glib or anything like that
[15:09] <mhall119> bbl, meeting time
[15:09] <tgm4883> aka "show be the next 4 hours of recordings"?
[15:10] <bobweaver> cya mhall119  thanks for the input you rock !
[15:10] <bobweaver> tgm4883,  correct
[15:10] <tgm4883> bobweaver, there is an API for that, are you having trouble pulling it?
[15:11] <tgm4883> actually, it's required data, so you have to be using it if you are getting any guide data
[15:11] <tgm4883> unless you are still pulling from mythweb
[15:11] <bobweaver> nope just seting the date (start date )  to be dynamic meaning starting Right now
[15:12] <tgm4883> well you should still have to set an end date
[15:12] <tgm4883> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/Guide_Service#GetProgramGuide
[15:12] <bobweaver> like I tried to use javascript to grab that (start date ) and works but is kinda slow
[15:13] <bobweaver> yeah I guess that that is still the rock and the hard place so to say with qt and there awesome XMLLISTMODEL
[15:13] <bobweaver> sorry about the caps
[15:13] <tgm4883> no worries
[15:13] <smartboyhw> bobweaver: Don't worry about caps, I always use it
[15:13] <tgm4883> The data should be easily pullable and broken down into a smaller time frame
[15:13] <bobweaver> tgm4883,  this is what I was using http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7-snapshot/qml-xmllistmodel.html
[15:14] <tgm4883> hmm, this doesn't look like python ;)
[15:14] <bobweaver> lol
[15:15] <bobweaver> no it is not python notice the part    "     source: "http://www.mysite.com/feed.xml""
[15:15] <tgm4883> yep
[15:15] <bobweaver> that would be      source: "http://127.0.0.1/api/to/myth/guide/data
[15:15] <tgm4883> right
[15:16] <bobweaver> that is easy solution but I am sure that there is a better on that could be python
[15:16] <tgm4883> and you aren't getting any XML returned?
[15:16] <bobweaver> Yup I am getting the guide back just not the right Starting time
[15:16] <tgm4883> ah
[15:16] <bobweaver> like it is reading all the info parsing it but it is just the start time that I am having trobles with
[15:17] <tgm4883> so the start time is off?
[15:17] <tgm4883> is it like 5 hours off?
[15:17] <bobweaver> like my guide always starts on aug 7 of 2012 0:0:0
[15:17] <bobweaver> because that is what I have hard coded in ^^
[15:18] <tgm4883> ok
[15:18] <bobweaver> http://127.0.0.1:6544/Guide/GetProgramGuide?StartTime=2012-08-07T00:00:00&EndTime=2015-10-03T20:00:00
[15:18] <tgm4883> so you've hardcoded in 2012-08-07T00:00:00
[15:19] <bobweaver> correct
[15:19] <tgm4883> and it's not returning back that start time?
[15:19] <bobweaver> No it is but the guide should start on today at this time right now
[15:19] <bobweaver> so my idea was
[15:19] <tgm4883> ah
[15:20] <tgm4883> bobweaver, you should find current time, round back to the nearest half hour and then request from there
[15:20] <bobweaver> to make a varible for the time (javascript) then use that in the source: "http://127.0.0.1:6544/Guide/GetProgramGuide?StartTime="+var1"+&EndTime=2015-10-03T20:00:00
[15:21] <bobweaver> or a function either way
[15:21] <tgm4883> yea
[15:21] <tgm4883> that makes sense
[15:21] <bobweaver> cating them togeather has been the troubles :)
[15:22] <tgm4883> well you've got  two things I don't know. QT and JavaScript
[15:22] <smartboyhw> :)
[15:22] <tgm4883> care to throw some C++ in there for the trifecta?
[15:22] <bobweaver> like have to make 3 or 4 vars then cat all togeather call like var guide =api1+ap2+    source: guide
[15:23] <bobweaver> I am down :) wait I am always down for C++
[15:24] <bobweaver> there is also other things that are cool that are not being utilized like states and transitions
[15:25] <bobweaver> take a look at this when you get a min http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjjIk4e_6Q4
[15:25] <tgm4883> heh, when I get a minute
[15:25] <tgm4883> I don't know if I'll have many free minutes today
[15:25] <bobweaver> :0
[15:25] <smartboyhw> I'm having problems with YouTube these days with Windows 8 heere
[15:25] <bobweaver> tgm4883,  dude got back to me on system 76
[15:26] <tgm4883> smartboyhw, I think you just stated the isue
[15:26] <tgm4883> issue
[15:26] <smartboyhw> tgm4883: Why?
[15:26] <tgm4883> " Windows 8 heere"
[15:26] <smartboyhw> tgm4883: I will install Ubuntu systems (It's systemS) tmr.
[15:27] <smartboyhw> All 12.04.1:)LOL
[15:28] <bobweaver> wouldn't it be just the bezz-knezz if system 76 could provide not nly hardware for Ubuntu tv but also remotes bamf remotes
[15:39] <bobweaver> my new antenta that I made better last night http://imagebin.org/225593
[15:39] <smartboyhw> :)
[16:42] <jhodapp_> did pstolowski try to replace it with 0.10?
[16:42] <jhodapp_> oops, wrong channel
[20:08] <jhodapp_> bobweaver, what's your email address?
[20:14] <bobweaver> josephjamesmills@ubuntu.com
[20:14] <jhodapp_> thanks
[20:14] <bobweaver> no sammy spammer :)
[20:14] <bobweaver> lol
[20:15] <jhodapp_> what else would I want it for? ;)
[20:15]  * popey signs bobweaver up for some interesting mail
[20:15] <bobweaver> NIce guys
[20:15]  * bobweaver ducks 
[20:15] <bobweaver> well at least I will feel wanted
[20:17] <bobweaver> So I got the system 76 talked dude down to one hundred
[20:30] <jhodapp_> bobweaver, you've got mail!
[20:31] <bobweaver> checking spam box now
[20:31] <bobweaver> :)
[20:39] <bobweaver> jhodapp,  there is alot about that that is .... kinda sounds like a song I will try to be more patient . but it has been 3 months
[20:40] <bobweaver> I will work on the preview stuff BTBH there are things in there That I do not understand
[20:40] <bobweaver> thanks for the words jhodapp
[20:50] <jhodapp_> bobweaver, I know man, I wish I could give you x, y and z to work on but I just am not able to yet
[20:51] <jhodapp_> bobweaver, the point of my email though is there are things that can be worked with today, and a lot of it is what you have been waiting for
[20:51] <bobweaver> jhodapp,  2 sec on phone
[20:51] <jhodapp_> k
[20:52] <bobweaver> Ok I am off
[20:53] <bobweaver> right I understand 100% what you are saying with the xyz thingy and also the previews thing but there are a couple of things that I do not understand still
[20:53] <bobweaver> the things that are the most imporant in my mind
[20:53] <bobweaver> and that is the formfactors
[20:53] <bobweaver> how that is goign to be handled
[20:53] <jhodapp_> ask on the unity-dev list, that's a great and reasonable question
[20:53] <jhodapp_> it'd be a great discussion
[20:54] <bobweaver> I talk to the peps on Ubuntu-unity and I get confused because I get told all sorts of things
[20:54] <bobweaver> I dont understand why Ubuntu TV has to be a formfactor and why it can not just be a standalone app
[20:54] <bobweaver> like myth or xbmc
[20:55] <bobweaver> I will ask these questions on the mailing list thanks again jhodapp
[20:55] <jhodapp_> bobweaver, that is because of the unified vision
[20:56] <jhodapp_> bobweaver, the value add is in a consistent, familiar UX and ecosystem
[20:57] <bobweaver> I get that but is there real sense in that it come come overbloated and be slow because of that
[20:57] <jhodapp_> bobweaver, doesn't that part make sense to you?
[20:57] <jhodapp_> bobweaver, does it have to be?
[20:57] <bobweaver> or that there is more bugs because there is more code
[20:57] <bobweaver> well they say 100 lines of code = 1 bug
[20:57] <jhodapp_> no less bugs, because it is shared code
[20:58] <jhodapp_> I'm not sure it makes sense to do something called Ubuntu TV, that is completely separate from the rest of what Ubuntu is doing.
[20:59] <bobweaver> jhodapp,  the core devs  still think that --force-tv
[20:59] <bobweaver> is good ?
[20:59] <bobweaver> that is not what I am saying it is great that ubuntu is unifiying the desktop that is what I love about unity
[21:00] <bobweaver> I understand that
[21:00] <jhodapp_> ok, what part do you need more explanation on then?
[21:00] <bobweaver> I love that , but there seems like there has to be a point when more is less
[21:00] <bobweaver> sorry lol the other way around
[21:00] <bobweaver> less is more *
[21:01] <tgm4883> bobweaver, I was in the "lets use already made <X APP>" camp for quite a bit until I understood unity and how it's beneficial to use it
[21:01] <jhodapp_> bobweaver, but that's exactly it, Unity is "less is more"
[21:02] <bobweaver> so if the core devs are pondering makeing a sub section libary then that is great and I am all about that .I think that that is a good idea.But where is the flow charts where is the documention for NUX
[21:02] <bobweaver> there is seems to be a common trend
[21:02] <tgm4883> You have to think of it as while Unity is unifying the desktop environment across different interfaces, it is also unifying the codebase
[21:02] <tgm4883> which is why it was important to move away from Unity 2d
[21:03] <bobweaver> that the people that know nux are only the people that work fr canonical because they are trained ? am I off on that  ?
[21:03] <tgm4883> Unified codebase means someone finds a bug in something else, bammo, ubuntu tv benefits
[21:03] <jhodapp_> bobweaver, Nux is new, that's why it's not well documented
[21:03] <bobweaver> so is qt-quick
[21:03] <tgm4883> if Ubuntu TV were to skin XBMC (or some other app), that wouldn't benefit us
[21:03] <jhodapp_> tgm4883, precisely
[21:03] <tgm4883> less eyes, more bugs :(
[21:04] <bobweaver> that is not at all what I would want
[21:04] <bobweaver> xbmc has no way to play live tv << joke
[21:04] <tgm4883> bobweaver, it's getting there
[21:04] <bobweaver> but for real That is not what I think is a good idea
[21:04] <tgm4883> also, live tv is terrible
[21:04] <tgm4883> I pity anyone that has to watch live tv
[21:06] <bobweaver> yeah I am not trying to complain I just want a clear head and not to feel like I do 30 minutes to a hour after I wake up. I think to myself ok today I am going to fix this on my TV and I end up stopping or it just gets in the way because I am not "in the loop "
[21:06] <jhodapp_> hey guys, I gotta run for now, I will continue this conversation with you again
[21:06] <bobweaver> cya jhodapp
[21:07] <jhodapp_> have a good one guys!
[21:58] <bobweaver> I see it is in Unity-standalone
[22:03] <bobweaver> compiz (core) - Info: Loading plugin: force_tv
[22:03] <bobweaver> compiz (core) - Error: Failed to load plugin: force_tv
[23:31] <bobweavertv> tgm4883, you around and got a sec for support (myth front end)  no matter what I enter for hostname it is not connecting to my other box O*