[07:06] <diplo> Morning all
[07:22] <AlanBell> morning
[07:55] <BigRedS> Good Morning!
[08:07] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:10] <christel> GOOD MORNING <3
[08:13] <daubers> PARDON
[08:13] <mgdm> WHAT WAS THAT
[08:16] <dutchie> o/
[08:16] <daubers> THREE YOU SAY?
[08:48] <JamesTait> Morning all! :)
[08:49] <oimon> does planet ubuntu uk still work?
[08:49] <AlanBell> doesn't look like it
[08:51] <christel> GOOD MORNING JamesTait and oimon \o/
[08:51] <oimon> YES VERY NICE DAY
[08:51] <christel> YES
[08:52] <hoover> good morning all
[08:53] <oimon> hmm much as i like lightread, it has a tendency to not update stuff sometimes :S
[08:55] <oimon> oh, i've just seen the way that chrome does print preview - very nice!
[09:00] <diplo> Mine just spins and doesn't update
[09:00] <diplo> :/
[09:23] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[09:23] <oimon> diplo, your what, your lightread?
[09:24] <oimon> mine has succumbed to the spinny not updating thing too
[09:27] <oimon> https://bugs.launchpad.net/lightread/+bug/1029999
[09:28] <diplo> yeah spinny thing on lightread
[09:28]  * diplo looks at link
[09:29] <diplo> yeah I guessed it wasn't authed properly
[09:29] <diplo> Hadn't got round to signing in yet
[09:29] <oimon> i was using it since release
[09:29] <oimon> then it died  - maybe after i accessed from abnother machine?
[09:30] <oimon> when i sign in i get the Downloading items |[09:31] <diplo> I'll try reauthing now as I'm talking about it.
[09:32] <oimon> under edit-preferences do you see an OK button? my window is cropped
[09:32] <diplo> nope, cropped here as well
[09:33] <oimon> excellent app let down by some basic bugs that all users get :(
[09:37] <diplo> Can't see a bug for the ok ?
[09:37] <oimon> leave it 10 mins ;)
[09:37] <oimon> i have another bug too
[09:38] <diplo> Put as affecting me on the other one aswell
[09:38] <oimon> hmm is it this one? https://bugs.launchpad.net/lightread/+bug/1034413
[09:39] <diplo> It's very much like that, but i do see the show notifications with a few pixels of the bottom
[09:39] <oimon> it's a badly named big but essentially the same thing
[09:40] <oimon> s/big/bug/
[09:40] <diplo> OK, assigned myself to that one as well
[09:41] <diplo> Ought to try and fix some of these one day, means me trying to do something outside of work which i suck at :)
[09:44] <popey> I'm sure the author would appreciate the help diplo
[09:44] <popey> bite-size bugs like this are a good way in
[09:44] <oimon> what is it written in?
[09:44] <oimon> would be a nice project to start on
[09:45] <popey> /opt/extras.ubuntu.com/lightread/bin/lightread: a /usr/bin/python script, ASCII text executable
[09:45] <BigRedS> I keep wondering about learnign python as a way of making more of these bugs accessible to me
[09:46] <BigRedS> but then I realise that if I like Perl, it's not likely that any python dev will like my Python :)
[09:46] <popey> i think python is less susceptible to that, certainly less than perl
[09:47] <oimon> perl is hideusly obfuscable
[09:49] <diplo> BigRedS: I've been teaching myself python recently
[09:49] <dutchie> <3 python
[09:49] <diplo> more for scripting, but watched a few vids and it's fairly simple
[09:50] <diplo> to create gui apps etc
[09:52] <BigRedS> yeah, every time I come up with a project to write in a new language I seem to spend about half an hour on it and then think "sod it, I'll just do this in perl"
[09:52] <BigRedS> everything else seems to get string handling so horribly wrong. :)
[09:52] <diplo> heh
[09:52] <dutchie> BigRedS: string handling?
[09:53] <BigRedS> yeah, mostly being able to do stuff like
[09:53] <diplo> popey: I think I'm more than capable, it's  more of me turning the PC on at home and getting motivated.. lost a lot of that
[09:53] <BigRedS> if ($string =~ /From:\s+(\S+)/)
[09:54] <BigRedS> so I mean regexes more than I do strings
[09:54] <dutchie> when all you have is a hammer^Wregexes, everything looks like a nail
[09:54] <dutchie> or something
[09:54] <BigRedS> I am aware that Perl is a glorified regex, but I don't ever seem to find the thing that whatever else is particularly better at :)
[09:54] <BigRedS> admittedly, it's been a while since 'else' wasn't PHP or C
[09:54] <dutchie> python is better than perl at not looking like line noise ;)
[09:55] <BigRedS> I find perl way more readable than I do python :)
[09:55] <dutchie> yeah, it's mostly familiarity
[09:55] <diplo> Really, I've done a fair bit of perl but still prefer python over perl with the little use of it that I have done.
[09:55] <dutchie> perl has too many magic variables that affect things in subtle ways for me to get used to
[09:55] <dutchie> $_, $/, $\ etc
[09:57] <BigRedS> but you don't need to use all of them, you just can if you like. It's not as if they're functions that're somehow intuitively implemented in other languages
[09:57] <dutchie> it's more a problem when i'm looking at other people's code that does use thenm
[09:57] <BigRedS> you always need to look up how to set what the line ending is when iterating through a file if you've not done it enough times before to have remembered it
[09:57] <dutchie> them
[09:57] <BigRedS> ah yeah
[09:58] <BigRedS> I think a big problem that nobody else seems overly bothered about is this idea that functions should be a single word rather than a descriptive term
[09:58] <BigRedS> hence things like chomp() and chop()
[09:58] <popey> thats the issue I have dutchie, fettling other peoples code
[09:59] <dutchie> although that said, it's taken me a couple of days to get my head around this python code
[10:00] <dutchie> my python is rusty after spending a month or two playing with golan
[10:00] <dutchie> g
[10:00] <diplo> Other issue I have popey is I want to work on one of Dustins Kirklands project called pictor
[10:00] <diplo> I've lp'd it out but having issues getting it working properly
[10:00] <popey> oooh, you know go dutchie ?
[10:01] <dutchie> "know"
[10:01] <diplo> Debating about editing the apt-get'd code and then adding that to the lp project and do it that way
[10:01] <dutchie> i ran through a couple of the tutorials and have been lurking on their ML for a little while
[10:02] <davmor2> Morning all
[10:02] <dutchie> i tried to write a jabber server but it was too hard, so current back burner project is an api for OEIS
[10:03] <dutchie> i do know canonical use go internally to some extent
[10:03] <diplo> Morning davmor2
[10:03] <oimon> anyone who fixed lightreads papercuts would be a hero in many peoples eyes
[10:12] <popey> dutchie, do you now ;)
[10:12]  * dutchie wonders where popey is going with this
[10:12] <popey> heh
[10:13] <popey> just interested, not heard many people outside canonical use it
[10:13] <dutchie> bit.ly do iirc
[10:13] <dutchie> and obviously google
[10:14] <dutchie> a guy at my college is writing a minecraft server in go
[10:15] <davmor2> popey: there is a guy at the lug using it, he was a huge python guy but is considering a move to go instead
[10:15] <popey> hah, nice dutchie
[10:15] <dutchie> last time i saw it was not entirely functional
[10:16] <dutchie> it spawned a single chunk of netherrack, and doing such things as sprinting or opening inventory kicked you off
[10:16] <dutchie> however you could dig, but the digs weren't propagated or saved, so every time anyone logged on you had a fresh chunk
[10:16] <dutchie> somewhat bizarre
[10:29] <diplo> OK, popey to point me in the right direction
[10:29] <diplo> I want to work on this tonight
[10:30] <diplo> https://launchpad.net/pictor
[10:30] <popey> bzr branch lp:pictor
[10:30] <diplo> Who is best person to talk me through issues of setting it up to do development on it ?
[10:30] <popey> cd pictor
[10:30] <diplo> yeah got the code
[10:30] <popey> edit stuff :D
[10:30] <diplo> But it installs into /usr/share etc
[10:30] <diplo> So I want to see the edited code in action, and I was having a few issues getting it running 100%
[10:31] <diplo> Would the best bet be to symlink the files for now and do it that way ?
[10:31] <popey> no
[10:31] <popey> apt-get source pictor
[10:31] <popey> and that will have all the bits to make a deb
[10:31] <popey> apt-get build-dep pictor
[10:31] <popey> which will get the build dependancies
[10:31] <dutchie> if it's php, you can probably just run it locally
[10:32] <diplo> yeah it is dutchie, but it's got files all over the system
[10:32] <diplo> so you branch it out it is all in one dir
[10:32] <diplo> I'll try apt-get source
[10:32] <popey> apt-get source will just get you the version from the repo
[10:33] <popey> which is probably similar to trunk
[10:33] <diplo> yeah it is
[10:33] <dutchie> diplo: files all over the system? the bzr branch ought to have everything you need...
[10:33] <diplo> So as i say the prog wants to find things in /etc and /usr/share etc
[10:33] <diplo> And I'm not sure the best way of testing the code I change
[10:34] <diplo> yeah but to run it the files are being looked for in certain locations
[10:34] <BigRedS> Unit Tests!
[10:34] <diplo> I'll review the code again tonight and remind myself of the issues I had
[10:34] <dutchie> i don't know much about php to be honest, but i'm sure others here do
[10:34] <diplo> I can code php, it's just best practise really
[10:35] <diplo> And tbh, what I want to fix is getting rid of tables and hard coded colors etc and stick it all in divs /css
[10:35] <diplo> But wanted to give back to the project so thought i'd try doing it properly rather than just fixing my site
[10:35] <diplo> :)
[11:09] <oimon> diplo, fancy uploading a screenshot of pictor to USC?
[11:15] <diplo> Will do tonight yeah
[11:27] <oimon> if i've bought a humble bundle in the past thats included world of goo, do i need to buy the latest one to get it on android?
[11:31] <dutchie> i think s
[11:31] <dutchie> o
[11:32] <oimon> can't work out how the games get added to android
[11:35] <ali1234> diplo: that /etc nonsense is usually something that is added when software is debianized
[11:35] <oimon> ah, it's simply an apk
[11:36] <ali1234> for example, if you install phpmyadmin from the repos, it does the same thing
[11:36] <diplo> ali1234: I did wonder that
[11:36] <ali1234> you are supposed to just symlink it
[11:36] <diplo> Cool, that's what I was going to do but wanted to be sure that was the correct way
[11:40] <oimon> directhex, have you tried the humble bundle games on your touchpad?
[11:40] <directhex> oimon, no, haven't androided it yet
[13:11] <oimon> directhex, you're still running webos?
[13:12] <directhex> oimon, yeah. hardly use it tbh. keep thinking "will android this later" & not doing it
[13:12] <directhex> i guess i want a rom with a version number, not random nightlies
[13:12] <oimon> i actually forgot i had webos on the thing. android on it is great
[13:12] <oimon> yeah, as soon as i heard the wifi bug was fixed i chose the nightly that people agreed was a good one
[13:13] <oimon> i use it most days, but haven't booted webos since putting android on a long time ago
[13:13] <oimon> the remaining bug is the camera doesn't work
[13:20] <oimon> i find it interesting that all of the "relevant art" sections of the gnome design docs look only at win8 and apple, and no other sources
[13:21] <oimon> e.g. https://live.gnome.org/Design/SystemSettings/Printers
[13:21] <ali1234> i find it interesting that you believe there is anything else worth looking at
[13:24] <dogmatic69> most annoying bug. cant paste into browser from other apps. Can paste in to the url bar though and copy / paste in the browser is fine too
[13:27] <oimon> ali1234, really? e.g. initial setup? that should look at other devices e.g android, plus kde etc https://live.gnome.org/GnomeOS/Design/Whiteboards/InitialSetup
[13:27] <ali1234> lol KDE
[13:27] <ali1234> no serious user designer should ever look at KDE, unless they want counter examples
[13:28] <ali1234> android perhaps, but everything good in android is copied from apple
[13:28] <BigRedS> so are most of the bad things, I'm lead to believe
[13:28] <oimon> methinks you are trolling me
[13:41] <shauno> apparently everyone's completely forgotten what android looked like pre-iphone
[13:41] <oimon> pre google?
[13:43] <BigRedS> nah, there was a bit of post-google in there
[13:43] <BigRedS> I don't recall ever seeing it apart from this image: http://cdn.iphonehacks.com/images/2011/07/android07.jpg and similar ones
[13:44] <oimon> http://blog.steventroughtonsmith.com/2012/05/2007s-pre-m3-version-of-android-google.html
[13:45] <shauno> yeah, that's the one I'm thinking of too.  dock & all
[13:45] <oimon> necessary for the blackberry style phone though
[13:45] <oimon> looks very blackberry-esque
[13:45] <shauno> right; RIM were ahead, so they were copying RIM
[13:46] <BigRedS> yeah, that largely supports the idea that the iPhone was released and then Android copied it
[13:46] <oimon> or the phone dictates the form and function
[13:47] <oimon> if you see the apple emails from the samsung trial, apple were copying samsung and sony
[13:47] <BigRedS> yeah, I don't doubt that it goes both ways
[13:49] <daubers> Hooray for poor delivery companies
[13:49] <daubers> Yodel fails to deliver a parcel, but marks it as delivered on their tracking system
[13:50] <oimon> yoda?
[13:50] <oimon> mmm parcel i have for you
[13:50] <BigRedS> delivered, the parcel is not
[13:52] <oimon> somebody has put an app in USC that is a 2d side scroller version of portal
[13:52] <oimon> a la ZX spectrum style
[13:53] <BigRedS> portal in 2d?
[13:53] <BigRedS> I remember hearing about that, actually
[13:53] <oimon> https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/applications/portal-slingshot/
[13:54] <oimon> says the licence is proprietary but it's free though
[13:57]  * popey clicks "Buy"
[13:57]  * popey enters his username and password into USC.. _again_
[13:57] <oimon> if there's anything worse than getting magazines and books in my USC results, it's getting fooreign language ones
[13:57]  * popey enters 2fa _again_
[13:57] <popey> davmor2, fix that
[13:58]  * popey enters his desktop password
[13:58] <popey> 4 dialogs to install an app
[13:58] <oimon> popey, quantal fail?
[13:59] <oimon> i need a snooze :(
[13:59] <davmor2> popey: already in the work, USC is setting up it's own unified login for all services, it is part way there now payment is the last bit to get added
[13:59] <davmor2> popey: 2fa I'm not sure about though
[14:00] <popey> i just don't like entering my user/pass over and over
[14:00] <oimon> anyone tried gnome 3.6 beta yet?
[14:00] <davmor2> popey: yeap known issue and in the works might not be in time for quantal but they might swing it
[16:09] <awilkins> Has Precise reached a "point" release yet ; ie - is it's version number 12.04.1 yet?
[16:11] <AlanBell> awilkins: it is due to do so today
[16:12] <awilkins> Is there a bug where upgraded boxes claim they are 12.04.1 early?
[16:13] <awilkins> Our Precise servers are upgrades from Lucid and they seem to think they are 12.04.1
[16:13] <awilkins> As does my current machine
[16:13] <awilkins> Which is an upgrade from Oneiric
[16:13] <awilkins> Or has the distribution been at 12.04.1 but there hasn't been a new installer cut yet?
[16:18] <popey> thats not a bug
[16:19] <popey> Description:	Ubuntu 12.04.1 LTS
[16:19] <popey> the "release" of 12.04.1 basically means us putting fresh ISOs on the site
[16:19] <awilkins> I was just suspicious of the version number arriving before the ISOs :-)
[16:19] <popey> people running 12.04 already are on 12.04.1 if they have all their updates
[16:20] <awilkins> Jolly good
[16:20] <AlanBell> popey: what about people on 10.04?
[16:20] <popey> they will get the offer to upgrade later
[16:20] <AlanBell> what is the trigger for that?
[16:20] <popey> should be today
[16:20] <popey> someone pressing a button
[16:21] <AlanBell> :)
[16:22] <popey> ask daviey, he's on release team :)
[16:23] <AlanBell> I will ask later, I am just curious really about what it looks for
[17:20] <Azelphur> lol that guy I bought the fucked up S3 from has relisted it stating it's "good condition" http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Samsung-Galaxy-S-3-/221111451831?pt=UK_Mobile_Phones&hash=item337b4500b7#ht_500wt_1413
[17:20] <Azelphur> should I report him to ebay?
[17:22] <popey> yes
[17:22] <Azelphur> step down from "perfect condition" but certainly not perfect haha
[17:23] <Flashtek> how is it borked ?
[17:24] <Azelphur> Flashtek: he sold it to me stating it was new perfect condition, https://www.dropbox.com/sh/x1btb0c9w9futq4/3mEOQEpIEW
[17:25] <popey> well, did you figure if it was stolen?
[17:25] <popey> maybe someone else will accept that condition
[17:25] <popey> so nothing really to report to ebay then
[17:25] <Azelphur> I checked everywhere I could and no it doesn't appear to be listed stolen
[17:25] <Azelphur> popey: he's listed it as "good condition", that's definitely inaccurate
[17:25] <popey> define "good"
[17:26] <popey> it works
[17:26] <popey> put a cover on it, you might not care
[17:27] <Azelphur> http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/in+good+condition
[17:27] <Azelphur> having holes clean through the outer casing is not physically and functionally sound and sturdy imo :P
[17:27] <popey> meh
[17:27] <Azelphur> I reported it anyway
[17:27] <popey> why do you care? did you get your money back?
[17:27] <Azelphur> he has 2 bad feedbacks for that phone alread
[17:28] <Azelphur> popey: meh, just don't want no one else to buy it and have the same hassle, I can see he's running a scam by continually forcing the phone on people and then making them pay the return postage (although that didn't work with me)
[17:43] <jacobw> evening
[17:48] <AlanBell> evening all
[17:49] <jacobw> top of evening to you sir
[18:28] <davmor2> okay quick questions why would I be getting mail marked spam from my home server, when the server under amavis is set to final_destination_spam = D_DISCARD ?  I'll have a read of the server guide to night and try and figure if I missed something
[18:29] <MartijnVdS> davmor2: because your home IP is dynamic and in anti-spam lists?
[18:30] <jacobw> amavis configuration isn't straightforward
[18:30] <Flashtek> because the local server has a local ip address ??
[18:31] <davmor2> MartijnVdS: but it worked in lucid
[18:32]  * MartijnVdS has no idea
[18:32] <Flashtek> updated spamd rules ?
[18:34] <davmor2> Flashtek: doubtful why would that stop it being placed in the discard pile
[18:36] <Flashtek> i would check that the MTA is passing to avavis first.. just to be sure
[18:36] <Flashtek> i misunderstood...
[18:43] <jacobw> check if the mails have amavis headers
[18:46] <jacobw> they might not be processed, or processed and not given a high enough score by the bayesian filter to be discarded
[18:50] <chowda> I am trying to localize an app for the UK... odd question... what are the neighborhoods of London called? do you use the term neighborhood? district? something else?
[18:50] <em> hey ikonia are you here?
[18:50] <AlanBell> greater London
[18:50] <AlanBell> or the commuter belt
[18:50] <AlanBell> or the south east
[18:51] <chowda> What is Chelsea, for instance? a neighborhood?
[18:51] <davmor2> chowda: well they aren't called neighborhoods, that is the american spelling :)  districts iirc
[18:52] <MartijnVdS> "The district is part of the Royal Borough of Kensington and Chelsea. From 1900, and until the creation of Greater London in 1965, it formed the Metropolitan Borough of Chelsea in the County of London."
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[18:52] <AlanBell> London boroughs
[18:52] <chowda> Is that the common term? Borough?
[18:52] <chowda> So if our app has a list of all of these, it would be right to say "Select your Borough?"
[18:53] <davmor2> chowda: Fairly it discribe the local councils
[18:53] <AlanBell> probably, yes
[18:53] <MartijnVdS> chowda: or just "area"?
[18:53] <MartijnVdS> "Which of these is nearest to you?"
[18:53] <MartijnVdS> Done!
[18:53]  * AlanBell agrees
[18:54] <AlanBell> borough is a bit too precisely defined
[18:54] <chowda> In SF, NYC and other major cities "Neighborhood" is correct... so our drilldown is State -> City -> Neighborhood... I suppose we could default to Area if Neighborhood doesn't read well in GB
[18:54] <popey> pip pip!
[18:54] <davmor2> Which rival gang owns your ass
[18:55] <penguin42> chowda: What do you do outside cities ?
[18:55] <AlanBell> borough is a specificall London concept
[18:55] <davmor2> penguin42:  you still have boroughs they are just bigger
[18:55] <chowda> penguin42 not much currently... but for a small city or town we would list the town name again as the only neighborhood and it would be skipped in the UI
[18:57] <chowda> So I was hoping to find a term as widely accepted as neighborhood in the US, but not as general as "area"
[18:58] <bigcalm_laptop> Suburb?
[18:59] <chowda> thanks for the insight guys... sorry for the off topic weirdness
[18:59] <jacobw> that's very US IMO
[18:59] <chowda> really?
[18:59] <chowda> good to know...
[19:00] <penguin42> chowda: Hey it was at least 50% on topic
[19:00] <jacobw> metropolian area might also be good choice
[19:00] <chowda> penguin42: great point, I'll take it
[19:00] <jacobw> town or city district
[19:01] <chowda> looks like yelp uses "Area"... I guess they are a pretty solid place to emulate... as they use Neighborhood in the US
[19:01] <jacobw> London is really the only city large enough to have this construct and it's not well defined in the spoken language outside of London
[19:02] <penguin42> (not that London is a city of course)
[19:02] <chowda> jacobw: every source I'm finding seems to agree, I appreciate the help
[19:02] <chowda> wait... hah... I'm such an american... London isn't a city?
[19:02] <MartijnVdS> it's several cities :)
[19:03] <jacobw> technically not, but one could think of it as such
[19:03] <MartijnVdS> it's all convention :)
[19:03] <penguin42> chowda: I think generally what people refer to as London is the city of Westminster and the city of Kensington
[19:03] <AlanBell> well the city of London is in London
[19:03] <jacobw> the 'City of London' is a small financial district in Central London
[19:03] <chowda> and I thought supporting a new currency was going to be the tricky part of this project!
[19:03] <penguin42> chowda: Just accept that whatever you do it'll be technically wrong
[19:04] <MartijnVdS> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_borough#Map :)
[19:04] <popey> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LrObZ_HZZUc  watch that :)
[19:04] <bigcalm_laptop> Choo choo!
[19:04] <penguin42> chowda: Start at a higher level; are you asking people to select UK, Great Britain or England :-)
[19:04] <chowda> UK
[19:04]  * bigcalm_laptop waves London a very good bye!
[19:05] <penguin42> chowda: Good start
[19:05] <chowda> right now we only have support for london... so it's UK -> London -> [Chelsea, South Kensington, etc]
[19:05] <jacobw> CGP Grey is awesome, he has other videos explaining the Commonwealth/UK/GB/England/Wales/Scotland distinctions
[19:06] <penguin42> chowda: I don't know why you would want to select something based off that, but perhaps just asking for the 1st ection of the post code is best
[19:06] <MartijnVdS> popey: you like the Raspberry Pi.. what do you think of the WR703N? (5x5x2cm router from TP-link -- no HDMI but WIFI, MIPS instead of ARM, less RAM but a bit of built-in flash)
[19:06] <MartijnVdS> popey: oh and it comes in a box ;) And it runs OpenWRT :)
[19:07] <directhex> czajkowski, i know you enjoy mocking me, but this recipe includes, say, "4 chicken breasts, skinned, poached and diced" as an ingredient. this is especially noffensive when the title of the book is "one pot wonders" - the point is it's recipes requiring a single cooking pot.
[19:07] <popey> haha
[19:07] <popey> not looked at it
[19:07] <directhex> yes, you only need one pot to make a meal, if the ingredients are "all the other shizzle you messed up ten pots for"
[19:07] <MartijnVdS> popey: Someone at YAPC::Europe had one with him, strapped to a Li-Ion battery pack :)
[19:07] <chowda> penguin42: because we allow you to send things to people who you may not know their post code.. but you probably know which "neighborhood" they are in
[19:07] <czajkowski> directhex: *grin*
[19:07] <czajkowski> I don't enjoy mocking you at all
[19:07] <MartijnVdS> popey: apparently, it uses 1W at its max
[19:08] <czajkowski> I only enjoy doing that to davmor2
[19:08] <jacobw> chowda: post codes are little confusing in the UK too
[19:08] <popey> chowda, why do you allow such madness?
[19:08] <MartijnVdS> chowda: again, just show a list of names, ask which is nearest :)
[19:08] <penguin42> chowda: Yeh, I wouldn't bet on them getting it exactly right - but they might get close
[19:08] <MartijnVdS> That works everywhere in the world
[19:09] <jacobw> chowda: N*, NW*, W*, SW*, S*, SE* and E* are all in London, but NE* is the area around Newcastle
[19:09] <chowda> popey: because we're masochists
[19:09] <popey> excellent
[19:09] <penguin42> chowda: Should work great for Londoners then :-)
[19:09] <chowda> MartijnVdS: the number of names would get overwhelming... we need a way to drill down in a logical manner to keep the lists reasonable
[19:09] <MartijnVdS> chowda: clicking a map :)
[19:10] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: NE was demolished for the Olympic park, right?
[19:10] <jacobw> Ha!
[19:10] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: so it could be re-used for newcastle
[19:10] <chowda> MartijnVdS: now you're just being crazy :)
[19:10] <MartijnVdS> (who only got the postal system last month)
[19:10] <jacobw> Hull is the only place in the UK which doesn't have British Telecom
[19:10] <jacobw> Speaking the North East
[19:10] <directhex> "smoked chicken with mixed salad and puy lentils"
[19:10] <MartijnVdS> jacobw: What does it have? France Telecom?
[19:11] <directhex> ingredients: "4 breasts of smoked chicken, finely chopped"
[19:11] <directhex> MartijnVdS, a local cable monopoly
[19:11] <MartijnVdS> directhex: .. yay
[19:11] <jacobw> MartijnVdS: in the mists of time, a local law mandated that the town provide it's own postal system, and subsequently telephone network
[19:12] <jacobw> MartijnVdS: it was called Kingston, after 'Kingston upon Hull' as the Hull is offically named
[19:13] <jacobw> MartijnVdS: now it's called K-Com is owned by Britsh Telecom
[19:13] <popey> oh, didnt realise BT bought it
[19:15] <jacobw> Hmm, Wikipedia says it's not owned by BT but all of it's network assets are outsourced to BT
[19:15] <jacobw> Which sounds similar :P
[19:19] <czajkowski> directhex: I often buy pre chopped chicken breast saves time!
[19:28] <bigcalm_laptop> !ping
[19:28] <MartijnVdS> !ping boo
[19:29] <bigcalm_laptop> Pingu?
[19:29] <popey> hmm, hungry
[19:29] <bigcalm_laptop> BBQ'd Pingu?
[19:29]  * popey needs something which isn't naughty
[19:29]  * popey forages
[19:29]  * penguin42 looks worried
[19:29] <bigcalm_laptop> I had Pizza Express all on my lonesome on Euston Road
[19:30] <bigcalm_laptop> penguin42: heh
[19:31] <czajkowski> popey: scrambled eggs on tost
[19:31] <czajkowski> tea and toast
[19:31] <czajkowski> marmite on toast
[19:31] <bigcalm_laptop> Kitten on toast
[19:31] <czajkowski> or a banana sandwich
[19:33]  * AlanBell had scrambled eggs on toast
[19:33] <bigcalm_laptop> czajkowski: What if popey is secretly Banana Man? Do we need him flying around at this time of night?
[19:33] <AlanBell> one slice of toast, 3eggs
[19:34] <bigcalm_laptop> Ooo
[19:34] <czajkowski> oh fried egg on toast with DOLLOPS of lee and perins!
[19:34] <bigcalm_laptop> You'll be egg bound!
[19:34]  * christel eats czajkowski 
[19:35] <christel> (you're the little brown mouse to my gruffalo)
[19:36] <czajkowski> herrrroooo
[19:36] <AlanBell> bigcalm_laptop: well my egg consumption is limited by the laying capacity so not too worried about that :)
[19:36]  * popey found burgers
[19:37] <bigcalm_laptop> AlanBell: I hope your chicks stay productive :)
[19:37] <christel> i just splurted coffee all over myself
 or a banana sandwich
[19:37] <popey> wretch
[19:38] <christel> banana burger?!
[19:38] <czajkowski> popey: :o soo tasty
[19:38] <popey> seriously, who eats bananas in bread?
[19:38] <AlanBell> me
[19:38] <AlanBell> nom
[19:38] <popey> golly
[19:38] <popey> oddballs all around me
[19:38] <MartijnVdS> popey: banana bread! \o/
[19:38] <christel> hrmm.. i sometimes make bananabread and sometimes i have sliced banana on bread :s
[19:38] <popey> banana bread, and banana beer, yes
[19:39] <MartijnVdS> banana bread + cashews++
[19:39] <christel> when i was pregnant i had banana on toast with salt
[19:39] <christel> it was nice
[19:39] <popey> banana smooshed up in a sarnie.. ew
[19:39] <christel> i am not sure it would be nice now
[19:39] <czajkowski> oh yes I like mine smashed
[19:39] <czajkowski> my mum likes hers sliced
[19:39] <christel> mind, i also went through a period of liking bread with nutella and mayonnaise... and i cant blame pregnancy for that one
[19:40] <bigcalm_laptop> Hehe
[19:40] <christel> (it was yester..ok it wasnt)
[19:40] <bigcalm_laptop> Ha
[19:41] <popey> clare ate tonnes of chipsticks when she was pregnant
[19:43] <AlanBell> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/ubuntu-uk/1906/detail/ happy hour \o/
[19:43] <AlanBell> and what should we do for christmas?
[19:44]  * AlanBell looks with interest at http://christmas.hospitalityline.co.uk/christmas-shared-parties
[19:44] <popey> volunteer charity work
[19:44] <popey> helping out in a soup kitchen, feeding homeless, dunno
[19:44] <czajkowski> popey: thats a really excellent idea!
[19:44] <MartijnVdS> "Would you like a coaster with that soup?"
[19:44] <popey> something beneficial for other people rather than ourselves, perhaps
[19:44] <bigcalm_laptop> AlanBell: party on the water?
[19:44] <AlanBell> ok, I like that idea
[19:45] <bigcalm_laptop> No soup for you!
[19:45] <popey> those are just suggestions, any kind of volunteer work
[19:45] <popey> clearing a canal, painting a wall, dunno
[19:46] <czajkowski> It's a nie idea I thnk
[19:46] <MartijnVdS> popey: clearing a canal in the middle of winter.. with ice..
[19:46] <popey> just brainstorming :)
[19:46] <MartijnVdS> ok :)
[19:46] <popey> maybe one of those charities that packs up boxes to go somewhere ...
[19:46] <MartijnVdS> They do a trash pick-up day here every once in a while
[19:47] <popey> oh, thats nice, a clear up day
[19:47] <MartijnVdS> they walk around the lake with bags and pick up everything from outside the paths/bins (which are cleaned by the council)
[19:47] <MartijnVdS> with tweezers-on-a-stick
[19:51] <AlanBell> Paula will probably be the person to talk to about this
[19:53] <AlanBell> might try and pop round to fossbox to figure out some options next week after a paralympic shift
[19:54] <mattt> :-/
[20:03] <popey> nice one AlanBell
[20:03] <popey> she did ask if someone could help a local company with some ubuntu consultancy
[20:03] <AlanBell> just has to be something where I can wear a santa suit
[20:03] <AlanBell> she did, I couldn't
[20:04] <christel> santa suit \o/
[20:04] <christel> santabell \o/
[20:17] <bigcalm_laptop> Getting travel sick - toodles :S
[20:26] <christel> haha
[22:32] <smarqle> I have a question about Lastfm in Rhythmbox if anyone's around?
[22:44] <penguin42> http://news.backyardbrains.com/2012/08/insane-in-the-chromatophores/  I can see people asking for visualiser plugins for music players for htis (what happens when you connect an ipod to a squid)
[22:50] <smarqle> I'm using Rhythmbox with Lastfm and have a query. When I play artist stations they get saved in  the column on the left, but there seems no obvious way of removing them. I was hoping right clicking would do it. That's how it works with the Lastfm scrobbler client (on windows and Debian when I tried it on those)