[06:20] <canthus13> you'd think that uninstalling a DHCP client would stop the daemon...
[14:46] <thafreak> Ok, unity sucks with less than 4Gb of ram aparently...
[14:46] <thafreak> I tried...I really did
[14:46] <thafreak> going to stick with xfce I think
[14:47] <thafreak> Also, it seems the opensource nvidia driver kinda sucks...crashes alot
[14:52] <canthus13> s/with less than 4Gb of ram apparently//
[14:55] <snap-l> I dunno, I  like Unity
[14:55] <snap-l> but it definitely requires bettern than your cheapo Intel card.
[14:56] <thafreak> i'm using a decent machine I had been using just to stream video to the tv
[14:57] <thafreak> but it's a dualcore athlon 2 3ghz
[14:57] <thafreak> only has 2gb of ram currently
[14:57] <snap-l> You definitely need more than 2GB for a modern browser. :)
[14:57] <thafreak> xfce so far runs great though...but I haven't launched chrome with my billion tabs open yet
[14:59] <thafreak> and so starts the swapping
[15:06] <thafreak> canthus13: so re: gfx cards...for playing mostly older games you think intel card would be best?
[15:06] <thafreak> They get decent opengl performance?
[15:07] <thafreak> I may also try wine+steam
[15:11] <canthus13> Not for games, no. :P
[15:11] <thafreak> haha
[15:11] <canthus13> Well, most of the indy games work with my 4500HD.
[15:12] <thafreak> so I guess it's between AMD and Nvidia
[15:12] <canthus13> but wine/steam is a definite no.
[15:12] <thafreak> I know I should like AMD...because Nvidia hasn't played nice with the OSS folks...
[15:13] <canthus13> Meh.. screw the OSS whiners.
[15:13] <canthus13> I've had excellent luck with nvidia cards.
[15:13] <dzho> -.-
[15:13] <dzho> ITYM screw we free software whiners
[15:14] <dzho> OSS folk are about compromise and quality, less about ethics and freedom and the long view
[15:14] <canthus13> They've always worked for me. I really couldn't care less if the driver source is closed.  nvidia maintains the drivers themselves. :/
[15:14] <dzho> yeah, I found them to be a PITA
[15:14] <canthus13> dzho: ok. that works. :)
[15:15] <dzho> I maintained a lab full of stuff with nvidia cards back in the day and never much relished the idea that I had to go and rebuild the nvidia modules every time the distro upgraded the kernel
[15:15] <canthus13> dzho: I always used envy.
[15:16] <canthus13> dunno how well that would work on a large scale, though. but most modern distros will install the non-free drivers if you want them.
[15:16] <dzho> none of that existed then
[15:17] <dzho> I'm not above installing the nvidia drivers on a onesy-twosy basis even now
[15:17] <canthus13> and it's a far cry from back in the day when the only way I got my Sound Blaster AWE64 working was by compiling driver code found on a newsgroup, that was posted by a sympathetic Creative engineer.
[15:17] <dzho> but I'm always going to cast a hairy eyeball on it all, because companies tend to do things like abandon product lines
[15:18] <dzho> like, I'm sure you can't get drivers from nvidia for those cards, now.
[15:18]  * dzho wonders what ever became of those machines
[15:19] <dzho> left that job before we retired the hardware, iirc
[15:22] <canthus13> dzho: Nah. you can still get drivers for Nvidia TNT cards.
[15:22] <thafreak> i can get like a 1Gb radeon or nvidia for about $40 at microcenter...geez...
[15:24] <canthus13> thafreak: only 1Gb? Weak. :P
[15:26] <thafreak> I think I could keep all of counter strike in video ram with that ;)
[15:26] <thafreak> This is probably a silly question...but would a pcie 2.0 card work in a 1.0 slot?
[15:26] <thafreak> I don't think my 16x slot is 2.0 compliant
[15:29] <dzho> canthus13: ah, it must have been this I was thinking of http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/10/03/26/2240250/nvidia-drops-support-for-its-open-source-driver
[20:55] <Cheri703> :D http://www.behance.net/gallery/Water-Wigs/4889175
[21:36] <canthus13> Uhh...
[22:56] <Cheri703> :D :D
[23:01] <canthus13> weirdo. :P
[23:47] <Cheri703> psh, you are just jealous of my awesomeness
[23:47] <Cheri703> also, I REALLY WISH quassel would get channel notifications >_<
[23:53]  * canthus13 hugs his irssi. less complicated. :)
[23:54] <Unit193> Plus it's pure awesome.
[23:54] <canthus13> ++