[00:00] <nathwill> tgm4883, i think libreoffice came out after lucid ?
[00:00] <tgm4883> but yea, firefox doesn't count since it only gets the backports of new features because A) it's the defacto standard for an open source web browser on linux desktops B) Mozilla doesn't fix security holes in old versions basically requiring canonical to make an MRE and backport new versions to old releases
[00:00] <nathwill> (not that that's an excuse, but i think it's complicated by it)
[00:02] <nathwill> tgm4883, yeah, looks like libreoffice first forked away from oo in 10/10
[00:02] <tgm4883> nathwill, ok, so how about banshee
[00:02] <tgm4883> it was in hardy
[00:03] <tgm4883> lucid still has 1.6
[00:03] <tgm4883> quantal has 2.4
[00:03] <tgm4883> hardy has 0.13
[00:05] <nathwill> yeah, i'll betcha the version change from 1.6 to 2.X was prompted by some kind of breakage (lib dependencies)
[00:05] <nathwill> not that i'm disagreeing with you that it sucks
[00:06] <nathwill> i just think it may involve some awkward solutions that are considered to create worse problems than they solve
[00:07] <slangasek> bkerensa: not making it tonight, you said?
[00:07] <slangasek> tgm4883: sorry, I'm not sure what the topic at hand is :)
[00:08] <tgm4883> slangasek, ideally, I'd like developers to be able to push a single source package and have it build for all distro releases that meet the requirements set in debian/control
[00:08] <tgm4883> slangasek, nathwill thinks if it was doable, then it would have been done already
[00:09] <slangasek> oh
[00:09] <tgm4883> thats the basics of the conversation
[00:09] <nathwill> tgm4883, that's a bit different than what was suggested, which is one build for all releases
[00:09] <tgm4883> nathwill, no, I said one source build
[00:10] <nathwill> aha. so i misunderstood that
[00:10] <slangasek> I think it's not been done because it's not a high priority, because it's easily scriptable and the least of people's problems when publishing third-party software on Ubuntu :)
[00:10] <tgm4883> slangasek, right, where most of the issues come from the paperwork to backport stuff, etc
[00:10] <tgm4883> which is cleared up in the extra's repo
[00:11] <slangasek> well, the backports repo isn't for "third-party software" anyway
[00:11] <tgm4883> slangasek, the convo started on how canonical/ubuntu has made it much easier to run an LTS release because of the backported kernels and extras repo
[00:11] <slangasek> ah
[00:12] <tgm4883> and then it turned to, how many third party developers are really going to continue to build for 12.04 once 12.10 gets released
[00:12] <tgm4883> I say not many
[00:12] <slangasek> ah, I heartily disagree
[00:13] <slangasek> though I guess only time will tell which of us is right :)
[00:13] <tgm4883> slangasek, is that just your hopes or is there a reason for you disagreeing?
[00:14] <slangasek> I think third-party developers who are going to build binaries for Ubuntu at all are going to ask the question of how they should build it to maximize compatibility - provided that this doesn't force them to trade off against platform features
[00:14] <tgm4883> looking back at lucid repos, history sides with me on this
[00:15] <slangasek> there was no extras repo in lucid
[00:15] <slangasek> so there's no basis for comparison, because there *was* no archive for third party software
[00:15] <tgm4883> true, but the extra repo (AFAIK) still doesn't allow multiple releases for an APP
[00:15] <tgm4883> granted, my one app is still "in review"
[00:16] <slangasek> right; there are a number of known problems with the scalability of extras at preset
[00:16] <slangasek> present
[00:17] <tgm4883> well that would need fixed in order to release to 12.04 once 12.10 is released
[00:18] <tgm4883> and even then, when I'm building stuff with quickly, it doesn't make much sense for me to need to upload multiple source packages for the different releases
[00:18] <slangasek> sorry, I was responding to the "in review" bit - AFAIK the extras policy absolutely does allow you to submit an app for multiple releases
[00:18] <tgm4883> ah ok
[00:19] <tgm4883> yea I know they got hammered with the contest applications
[00:42] <bkerensa> slangasek: I am here now
[00:42] <bkerensa> and nathwill put up a event on calagator
[00:42] <bkerensa> http://calagator.org/events/1250462771
[00:42] <bkerensa> :D
[00:43] <nathwill> like a bosh
[00:52] <slangasek> bkerensa: ah, well then
[00:52] <slangasek> a bit early, aren't you? :)
[00:52] <nathwill> bkerensa is setting up party streamers
[00:52] <bkerensa> lol
[00:52] <bkerensa> slangasek: vagrantc says he will likely be stopping to get food somewhere else then will appear here
[01:01] <nathwill> alright, headed out, see y'all there
[01:07] <bkerensa> Only on hawthorne blvd is it acceptable to wear burgundy trousers and a fuschia colored flannel shirt with a green tie :P
[02:13] <philballew> Seems really hot
[18:14] <MaskilPDX> bkerensa, It's cold and grey here in CC
[18:16] <nathwill> maskilpdx, bkerensa's doing an interview atm
[18:17] <nathwill> where's cc?
[18:17] <MaskilPDX> Crescent City
[18:17] <MaskilPDX> We are both from the same small town on the California Coast
[18:18] <nathwill> ah, i know crescent city. drove through many times on my way to arcada :)
[18:51] <c_smith> hey there.
[18:52]  * c_smith is still using Bodhi Linux
[18:59] <nathwill> eeew enlightenment
[19:12] <nathwill> well, about 50% of the way through the install for our soon-to-be psu-hosted loco server :)
[19:12] <nathwill> ^blkperl
[19:25] <blkperl> nathwill: ?
[19:36] <nathwill> blkperl, picked up the server from bkerensa yesterday, getting it prepped for install today
[19:44] <bkerensa> nathwill:  :)
[19:55] <bkerensa> slangasek: http://oregontaxcredit.com/
[19:55] <bkerensa> It is $50 for individuals and $100 for couples
[19:56] <bkerensa> but I dont think it applies to Super PAC's
[19:56] <slangasek> yeah... that's fine, we've donated enough to actual candidates this year ;P
[19:57] <bkerensa> :)
[19:58] <bkerensa> slangasek: https://www.politify.com/ <-- this has some good analysis
[19:58] <bkerensa> you can type in a city in Iowa
[19:58] <bkerensa> and it gives some interesting results
[20:00] <nathwill> hey bkerensa! how'd your interview go?
[20:09] <c_smith> bwahaha! 74% of residents in my area benefit from Obama's plan versue Romney's 26% XD
[20:09] <c_smith> still interesting.
[20:09] <c_smith> anywho, back to E17
[21:09] <philballew> Crescent City is such a nice place.
[21:24] <blkperl> Guess what hates precise
[21:24] <blkperl> dropbox.....
[21:24] <blkperl> load avg of 20....
[21:33] <bkerensa> blkperl: dropbox hates linux
[21:33] <bkerensa> thefinn93 had the same issues
[21:33] <bkerensa> ;p
[21:33] <bkerensa> tell them to fix their app
[21:51] <c_smith> hmmmmm...... not exactly sure how to go about binding a key with both play and pause on it in Rhythmbox when a script is needed (as is the case in E17
[21:51] <c_smith> )
[21:56] <philballew> ive found ubuntu in general had been giving me a high load.
[21:57] <philballew> as of late at least
[21:59] <bkerensa> philballew: your laptop is ancient though right? and your running quantal?
[22:04] <c_smith> yay..... a perl script intended to fix the issue of my play button and pause button being the same button does quite literally nothing without error.
[22:08] <philballew> bkerensa, no. Only three years old
[22:08] <philballew> 4 gigs ram.
[22:09] <philballew> Though I usually run Lubuntu
[22:10] <philballew> except for my laptop