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AkusariHi folks :-) I love xubuntu :-)10:25
smartboyhwAkusari: Great10:25
AkusariIt's the best for netbooks like my one10:25
AkusariEclipse runs sooo smoothly - Just fun#10:27
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mr_pouitmicahg: fyi, libido/gtk2 is gone as well, and apparently it's normal "because it's not a public library"13:09
mr_pouitI'm not sure it's reasonable to go on with indicators if we end up with reuploading all the gtk2 stack13:10
mr_pouitokay, it's only libido, so it's probably fine13:19
GridCubeknome, question: in http://xubuntu.org/news/faq-1204-precise/ faq 1 recommends people to check if gcfs-backends is installed. Why would it not be? i mean if its essential to use samba shares wont it be useful to have it preinstalled?13:38
GridCubei find it interesting that we are recommending them to do check if its installed, when knowing its not by default.13:39
mr_pouitGridCube: it wasn't installed by mistake in 11.10 (that was fixed in -updates and later releases)13:41
GridCubeo:13:41
GridCubeokay then :)13:41
GridCubeI was jus re-reading the faqs to start working on new ones and that one strike my interest 13:42
mr_pouitfor 12.04+ it should be installed by default, so yeah you can probably drop this sentence :P13:42
GridCubeyou know, thats a thing that happens when you re-read something you wrote ages ago, you go like... wait.. why did i wrote that that way...13:44
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smartboyhwAnyone testing Xubuntu Alternate images now??? (for 12.04.1) No testers!14:21
micahgmr_pouit: well, it's us, mythbuntu (they don't care as they're not releasing), and Ubuntu Studio, I don't see we have much of a choice unless we drop indicator support (which is a regression in functionality that will hopefully be solved by a GTK3 port before the LTS)14:25
ochosiyeah, dropping indicator support would kinda suck. i mean we "simulated" the potential backdraws already 2 releases ago, and the trayicon-fallback mode of most apps has most likely become even worse since then...14:30
ochosimicahg, mr_pouit ^14:30
knomewe need tests for alternates15:06
knomepeople can run those?15:06
smartboyhwknome: I am doing these15:06
smartboyhwLeave that to me:)15:06
smartboyhwTested amd64, now i38615:07
knomeokay, thanks15:07
smartboyhw:)15:07
mr_pouitsmartboyhw: are you interested in contributing to lightdm-gtk-greeter (or help maintaining it)? I think you asked to join the lp team, so I wonder :P15:09
smartboyhwSure, I can15:09
ochosiooh, now we're talking :)15:11
smartboyhw:)15:11
mr_pouitsmartboyhw: ochosi will send you lots of requests, are you still in? :P15:12
* mr_pouit runs15:12
smartboyhw:P15:12
smartboyhwStill here15:12
* smartboyhw trys to run, but needs to stick here to update knome on 12.04.1 alternate images testing:)15:13
ochosismartboyhw: have you looked at the source yet?15:14
smartboyhwochosi: No, will look at tmr:)15:15
ochosiok :)15:15
ochosisome changes are easy and just require changing options in the .ui file15:15
ochosiothers might be more interesting15:15
smartboyhwHmm15:16
smartboyhwknome: I tested the alternates15:18
knomesmartboyhw, ok, thanks15:18
smartboyhwknome: Thanks15:20
knomepleia2, morning!15:26
smartboyhwknome: What happened to the upgrade testcases???15:28
knomeno idea15:28
knomehaven't been monitoring them15:29
smartboyhwNo human tested it15:29
smartboyhw:(15:29
knomeok, we need two more upgrade test15:36
knomei can run one of two15:36
knomeeh, one or two15:36
smartboyhwNo for me.15:36
knomeanybody able to run an upgrade test from oneiric to precise on amd64?15:40
smartboyhwknome: It looks like as if you're on your own:(15:40
knomewe didn't wait for a minute yet15:41
knomejust be patient15:41
smartboyhw:)15:44
r0n__upgrade to 12.04 done, without problems.16:00
r0n__upgrade from 12.04 to 12.04.1 done, without problems. (sorry)16:00
r0n__The updates on 12.10 form yesterday has a bug, there is no speaker on my screen anymore :-)16:01
knomemr_pouit, what's the status with the 4.10 blueprint? rdeps?16:04
knomeochosi, can you check if the work item statuses are correct in https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-q-xubuntu-elementary-xfce ?16:05
knomeochosi, also, should we just postpone https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-q-xubuntu-new-plymouth ?16:06
knomeochosi, or are you planning some updates to it16:06
ochosii have no clue how plymouth animations work16:06
ochosi so, no16:06
ochosi-> postpone16:06
knomemmkay16:06
ochosithe icons workitems are correct (unfortunately)16:06
ochosii really need that vbox16:07
ochosiprobably more important than doing your testcase :)16:07
knomewell, UIF is next week16:07
knome12.04.1 release is today16:07
knomewe just can't sign off the release without doing at least the lucid->precise updates16:08
ochosimeh16:08
ochosiok16:08
knomeand the vbox for that is deletable right after the test16:09
ochosiyeah yeah, i know16:09
ochosiit's just so time-consuming16:09
ochosianyway16:09
ochosii386 or amd64?16:09
knomer0n__, it's from 11.10 to 12.04(.1), not 12.04 to 12.04.116:09
knomeurr, i'm running 10.04->12.04 amd64 soon16:10
knomeso maybe i38616:10
knomesince gridcube dropped too16:10
ochosiok16:10
knomenow don't confuse me too much. :)16:11
r0n__Sorry, than I'm away ...... tnx for the ggood work,16:11
ochosii assume it doesn't matter whether i use alternate or desktop for 11.10?16:11
knomeno.16:11
knomebut please do 10.04 ->16:11
knome(actually)16:11
ochosiwootß16:11
knomebecause gc is off16:11
ochosiso two upgrades?16:12
knomeyeah, i know i said something else before16:12
knomewell, one is fine16:12
knomerather do 10.04 than 11.1016:12
ochosiso not up to 12.04?16:12
knome10.04 to 12.04 .16:13
knomethat's the LTS route16:13
ochosinow you're confusing me entirely16:13
ochosii shall upgrade from 10.04 to 11.10 and that's it?16:13
knomeno.16:14
knomefrom 10.04 to 12.0416:14
knomeLTS->LTS16:14
knomeand that's it.16:14
ochosiquote: 18:12  knome$ rather do 10.04 than 11.1016:14
knomeand i386.16:14
knomeyes16:14
ochosiah right16:14
knomerather update FROM 10.04 than 11.1016:14
knome:)16:14
ochosinow i get what you meant :p16:14
knomehehe16:14
knomegood16:14
ochosiok, i'm on it16:15
ochosiknome: btw, imre sent me a screenshot of a bg he proposes for the launcher panel16:15
knomeok16:15
ochosihttp://imagebin.org/22559616:16
ochosia bit too metallic for me, but i like the resemblance to the website16:16
ochosi(i mean: i think that's a good idea)16:16
knomei like that more than the one you did16:16
ochosii didn't do the other one16:16
knomemaybe rethink the white shade at top16:16
knomeoh16:16
knome?16:16
ochosithat's why i never pushed it16:16
knome:P16:16
knomeaha16:16
ochosigot it from the interwebs :)16:17
knomeok16:18
knomefrom that, i'd maybe tune down the stripes at the top16:18
ochosiok, i sent him another email asking for the image16:18
knomeif you understand what i mean16:18
ochosiyeah16:18
ochosii think that's what i meant with "metallic look"16:18
ochosido you wanna play with it a bit?16:19
knomei can, when/if he sends the image file16:19
ochosi(i don't have time right now, i'm doing a testcase, you know :) )16:19
knomeyeah, the same16:19
knomei should run at least one16:19
knomeeh, two of course.16:19
ochosiyou can modify the png if you want16:19
ochosii think it's wide enough without launchers on it16:19
knomerealistically, wait until 21UTC16:20
knomethen maybe16:20
knomeochosi, btw, can you go to the iso tracker and mark the test "in progress"16:20
ochosilink?16:21
knomewait16:21
knomehttp://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/230/builds/21384/testcases/1259/results16:21
knomeso add a test result with result "in progress"16:21
knomethen edit it later16:21
knome:)16:21
ochosidone16:22
knomethanks16:22
ochosinp16:23
ochosiknome: the upgrade from 10.04.2 is fine?16:30
knomeyes, of course16:30
ochosi(couldn't find 10.04 on the release page)16:30
ochosik16:30
knomethat's where people should be anyway16:30
knomeyou might also need to install "a few updates" :P16:31
knomelike, 300..16:31
ochosimy poor isp16:31
knomehaha16:31
knomewell, say that to my isp16:31
knomei have lucid upgrading16:31
knomesoon oneiric16:31
knomeand i dl'ded 3 isos already16:32
ochosiknome: i'm going out in ~1.5hrs, we'll see if the testcase is finished till then...16:46
ochosi(still installing 10.04)16:46
knomehopefully it is.16:47
ochosiyeah, can't promise...16:47
knomei wouldn't mind doing that too (though i will if you can't)16:47
knomeupgrading both 11.10 and 10.04 now ;)16:48
ochosisounds like fun16:48
knomeit's quite fun, actually16:48
knomewithout *having* to do it, i'd enjoy it more though16:48
ochosiheh16:48
ochosidoes it help if i tell you you don't have to do it? :)16:48
knomelol16:48
knomeno, because skaet and stgraber tell me to get it done16:49
ochosiknome: brrr, gdm2 ...17:02
knomeochosi, haha17:03
ochosisry, but really, 12.04 looks far nicer than 10.04 :}17:03
knomeit does, i agree17:03
ochosibut it's nice to be reminded of the old days17:04
knomeis it?17:04
knome:D17:04
knomea friend still uses 10.04, waiting for the lts upgrade path17:04
knomehrrr17:04
ochosiwhoa, you have patient friends17:04
knome;)17:05
knomeor busy friends with production machines they have no time to fix every 6 months ;)17:05
ochosidl-ing the 233 upgrades for 10.04 now17:05
knomeok, both amd64 systems are now upgrading packages17:05
knomeactually17:05
knomeyou could cancel17:05
knomeand just do 'sudo update-manager -d'17:06
knomethat should work too17:06
ochosionly takes 5mins17:06
knomeok17:06
knome;)17:06
knomedownloading the 11.10 i386 desktop iso now17:06
knomemy lucid will upgrade like for 40mins17:08
knome2gb ram17:08
knome(after getting the new packages of course)17:08
ochosi10.04 reminds me that the update-manager hasn't changed at all since then17:08
knome;)17:08
ochosialthough i saw it will for 12.1017:09
ochosididn't look very promising though17:09
knomemmh17:09
knomeochosi, status?17:21
ochosiknome: installing upgrades (currently kernel)17:25
ochosi"please wait, this can take some time"17:25
knomemeh17:25
knomestill17:25
knome5 mins yeah ;)17:25
knomei'll start downloading the lucid i386 image...17:26
knome:P17:26
drcA watched update never ends :(17:26
knomehah17:26
knomewell, it has to catch 2 years"17:26
knomes/"/!/17:27
knome11.10 looks good :)17:27
knomewell, relatively17:27
ochosiupdate done, restarting now17:28
knomegood17:28
ochosiguess the lightdm-greeter mockups will have to wait... :/17:29
knomeyeah, sorry17:30
knome5mins remaining of the amd64 lucid->precise upgrade17:30
ochosiapologize to the users, not to me! :)17:30
ochosiupgrade running17:30
knomethe heart does not know to miss something the eyes haven't seen17:30
knomeso i believe we're ok17:31
* ochosi is stunned by the wiseness of knome17:31
knome:)17:31
knome1min!17:31
ochosistill setting software chans17:32
knomemmh17:32
knomeit'll be tight17:33
ochosii just hope the mirrors are fast enough17:33
knomeif you have to go 18.15UTC17:33
knomeit'll be really tight.17:33
ochosioh man, getting packages (42mins remaining)...17:33
ochosi:/17:33
knomeyeah...17:33
knomecan you leave the laptop on? :P17:33
ochosiand write a script that will monitor and submit the results?17:34
knomeheh17:34
knometake it with you17:34
ochosisure sure17:34
knomeyou have time to download the stuff17:34
knome :P17:34
knomejust let it install17:34
knomewhere are you going btw?17:34
ochosii always take my laptop with me when going out :p17:34
ochosimeeting friends i haven't seen for quite a while17:34
knomehmm.17:34
ochosieverybody was travelling over the summer17:34
knomewhy not? :P17:34
knomejust set it on the table17:35
knome.17:35
knome:D17:35
ochosimeh, "WARNING: failed to read mirror file"17:35
knomei'm hopeless17:35
knomeyeah, i had that too17:35
knomeignore17:35
ochosiyeah, but that might be the reason it's sooo slow17:35
knomeunless it failed the whole installation17:35
knomepleia2, ?17:38
knomepleia2, would you have time to write a short blog article telling 12.04.1 is out before 21UTC?17:38
pleia2knome: no, really busy at work today17:38
knomebleh17:39
knomeeven if i asked REALLY nicely?17:39
pleia2sorry17:42
knomebleh. :)17:45
knomei'll do that too then...17:45
knome(and she calls herself the marketing lead, schuss)17:46
knome;)17:46
knome(no seriously, it's fine, just kidding)17:46
knomemaybe we should just add more people to "active"17:47
knomeeh17:47
knomewrong window17:47
knome:P17:47
ochosigetting new packages: 29mins remaining...17:57
ochosi(922 of 1524)17:58
knomemeh17:58
mr_pouitknome: do you have a ne terminalrc for me?18:07
mr_pouit*new18:07
knomemr_pouit, not right now18:10
knomemr_pouit, i'll provide you that on the weekend if not before18:10
ochosiknome: between 15 and 25 mins remaining18:10
knomecan you confirm something18:11
knomeisn't it so that people using 12.04 will just get normal upgrades18:11
knomeand they are at 12.04.118:11
knomeeg. no specific "upgrade now" dialog18:11
mr_pouitknome: ok18:13
knomethanks for the understanding :P18:13
knomepleia2, mr_pouit, ochosi: can you review http://xubuntu.org/?p=1372&preview=true18:21
knome(need to be logged in)18:21
ochosierrm18:22
knomewut?18:22
ochosi"Users on 12.04 should get an upgrade notification when booting their systems up the next time." ?18:22
ochosishouldn't that read 10.04?18:23
knomefeel free to fix it18:23
knomeit's just a big brainfart18:23
ochosiwell, not very big18:23
knome;)18:23
knometrue18:23
ochosi7mins remaining18:23
knomedownload or intall?18:23
ochosithen it'll install the upgrade... :(18:24
knomeinstall too18:24
knomei'm actually at downloading new packages now too18:24
knomeyes, i'm hyperactive18:24
knomeabout 13 mins remaining :)18:25
ochosii can't even imagine how hard the user-xp breaks from ubuntu 10.04 to 12.0418:26
ochosiin comparison the transition is really smooth in xubuntu18:27
knomebtw, looks like the local univ of applied sciences are having an assignment to install xubuntu18:27
knomewe're getting a few trackbacks already...18:27
ochositry to get a few contributors out of that18:27
knomemaybe we should contact them and ask whether they'd like us to write about it18:27
knomelol18:27
knomeI. WON'T.18:27
knomeif they are at the same level as the few trainees we had from there... ugh18:28
ochosi<1min remaining18:29
* ochosi is getting excited18:29
knome10 here18:29
knomeyeah, the pkg installation takes some time too18:29
ochosiwell thanks for the heads-up, it's really my first upgrade, you know18:29
ochosiuu, installing now18:30
knomehmm18:30
knomethat seems to be "linux as a server" of sth course18:30
knomei'll bookmark the leaders blog entry18:31
ochosihm, the installer doesn't give me any estimate of how long it'll take18:31
knomeit should, at some point18:32
ochosi1hr 6mins18:35
knome:|18:35
ochosiyeah, lol18:35
ochosi1hr nw18:36
knomeyeah, it should accelerate18:36
ochosilet's hope it continues at that speed18:36
mr_pouitknome: do I have an account on xubuntu.org?18:36
knomei think it said something like 1h 30mins for me at start18:36
knomemr_pouit, you should be able to log, since you are in the xubuntu-team18:36
knomejust go to xubuntu.org/wp-admin and ubuntu SSO should get you in18:36
mr_pouityeah, that works18:38
knomelogging, or the article?18:39
mr_pouitboth :p18:39
knomeok18:39
knomeseriously! the installation was stuck. when i hovered my mouse over the vbox window, it shows me a dialog immediately. why not before!18:46
knomehaha, 3h 30mins..18:47
ochosi2hrs 13mins18:47
knome1h 34mins :D18:48
knomei assigned 2gb ram..18:48
ochositoo late for that now18:48
knomehehe, yeah... :)=18:48
ochosinot sure i can wait so long...18:49
knomeyeah, it's ok if not18:49
ochosii should've left 15mins ago18:49
knomei'll run it anyway.18:49
ochosimkay18:49
ochosistill, it kinda sucks18:49
knomehave fun with friends :)18:50
knomeyeah, i know18:50
ochosii mean i did get quite far18:50
* knome scores 4/418:50
knome:P18:50
ochosibut there's still 1hr50mins to go18:50
ochosiheh18:50
ochosiyeah, there are days when you have to live with 3/418:50
knome;)18:50
knomeyeah18:50
knomebut i meant four testcases :P18:50
knomenot steps18:50
ochosiah right :D18:51
knome(yeah...)18:51
knome52mins18:51
ochosimeh, i could've downloaded and installed quantal in that time... :)18:51
knomelooks like i'd still be ready way before you18:51
knomelol18:51
ochosi1hr3718:52
knomei like the lucid wallpaper, but the panels are uglyish18:52
ochosiyeah, and the icons..18:52
knomeeven albatross has stood the time quite well18:52
knomeheh, that too18:52
ochosiespecially the tray18:52
knomemmh, well, panel as a whole18:52
knomethe icons on desktop are ok18:53
ochosiso should we schedule the ubiquity-slideshow revamp for next week?18:53
ochosior at least update the screenshots18:53
knomeyes, definitely.18:53
knomebut we also need to finish the docs next week18:53
knome:P18:53
knomeand the rest of the UI stuff18:54
knomeheh, 29mins...18:54
ochosigreybird is ready apart from the lightdm style18:54
knomelooks like this is going really fast18:54
knomelooks like it's good for the progress that i'm not running 2/3 parallel :P18:55
ochosibut if someone could test bluebird and albatross, that'd be good18:55
ochosinot sure they're both ready for gtk3.5...18:55
knomei can say that i can do that if i have time, but you know what that means18:55
ochosiheh18:56
ochosiyeah18:56
ochosiun/fortunately18:56
knome(i'll forget before monday, and you have to remind me during the week, and then on thursday you shout to me and i will test them for 5 mins...)18:56
knomeand that's as useful as nothing18:56
knome;)18:56
knomeor maybe i'll find somethig that you don't even think is a bug, but i *totally* want fixed18:56
knomeso probably even better if i don't test them.18:57
ochosi1hr remaining19:00
knome13mins ;)19:00
ochosig2g now19:00
knomehave fun!19:00
ochosiyou too19:00
knomewill do19:00
ochositalk to you tomorrow!19:00
knomeyup!19:00
knomei didn't realize it, but if you name your vbox virtual machines with "/" on them, it will create subdirectories19:01
knomethat's logical, but still awesome to notice that at this time... :)19:01
ochosiheh19:01
knomei'm off in 10, so if somebody needs to talk with me about something, do it now19:02
knomepleia2, you here?19:03
knomeok, i'm off19:10
knomesee you later.19:10
knome2:10 notice < queuebot:#ubuntu-release: Builds: Upgrade Xubuntu amd64 [Precise 12.04.1] has been marked as ready19:10
knome22:10 notice < queuebot:#ubuntu-release: Builds: Upgrade Xubuntu i386 [Precise 12.04.1] has been marked as ready19:10
pleia2knome: sorry, today has been crazy work-wise19:36
pleia2post looks fine, short and sweet :)19:38
pleia2my while-on-train plans this evening are to merge our About pages, so I should have that for review by tomorrow19:39
knomepleia2, shiny!21:10
knomepleia2, i gathered from our backlogs that a finnish univ of applied sciences course has "install xubuntu" as one of their tasks, and they will be using linux throughout the course. i'm contacing the course leader asking if he's willing to let us write an article and if he was willing to do some small-scale cooperation too21:15
pleia2cool :D21:17
knomemr_pouit, bug #104090222:10
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1040902 in xubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu) "Add launchers to Xfce Settings manager " [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/104090222:10
knomemr_pouit, if you need more information, kick me (gently)22:10
drcJust out of curiosity, wht is QT and WINE config launchers required for Xubuntu/XFCE?22:27
drcs/wht/why/22:27
Unit193Just so they'll show up in the settings manager, won't be installed or show by default.22:27
drcah, thanks22:28
Unit193Plenty of people use both of those I'd say, so it's be nice if they show up with the rest of the config. :P22:28
SkippersBossyep yep yep. virtual box is working. loading alpha 3 now22:53
micahgochosi: I think we can manage the indicator gtk2 stack for now, but I hope we can get a gtk3 version of the panel soonish, otherwise, this will be problematic23:37
knomehey micahg :)23:42
knomeenjoying the holiday?23:42
micahgyeah, for once I'm not working that much :)23:42
knomethat's awesome23:42
pleia2no it's not, saying "not working at all" is awesome! (I'll try it some time, maybe)23:43
knomeheh23:43
knomegah, there's something wrong here23:44
SkippersBosspleia2 not working ?? now why can i not believe that. 23:46
pleia2I spent some time on a beach in puerto rico last year :)23:46
SkippersBossWe are aware that the opening screen of the 12.1 installer still says 12.04 lts ??23:46
SkippersBoss/dev/some23:47
pleia2if it's the same one, I submitted a bug23:47
* pleia2 checks23:47
SkippersBossok23:47
pleia2https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-artwork/+bug/102912823:48
ubottuLaunchpad bug 1029128 in xubuntu-artwork (Ubuntu) "Displays "Xubuntu 12.04" on bootup rather than 12.10" [High,Fix released]23:48
SkippersBossok ??23:48
SkippersBossI was merely asking23:48
pleia2is that the same?23:48
SkippersBossCould very wel be. was in the art-work. alpha iso not been amended :-)23:49
pleia2ok :) I haven't tried since this bug was fix released23:49
SkippersBossNot a major isssue23:49
SkippersBossgot my alpha of a mirror. so could be an old iso23:50

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