=== TheMaster is now known as Unit193 [10:25] Hi folks :-) I love xubuntu :-) [10:25] Akusari: Great [10:25] It's the best for netbooks like my one [10:27] Eclipse runs sooo smoothly - Just fun# === yofel_ is now known as yofel [13:09] micahg: fyi, libido/gtk2 is gone as well, and apparently it's normal "because it's not a public library" [13:10] I'm not sure it's reasonable to go on with indicators if we end up with reuploading all the gtk2 stack [13:19] okay, it's only libido, so it's probably fine [13:38] knome, question: in http://xubuntu.org/news/faq-1204-precise/ faq 1 recommends people to check if gcfs-backends is installed. Why would it not be? i mean if its essential to use samba shares wont it be useful to have it preinstalled? [13:39] i find it interesting that we are recommending them to do check if its installed, when knowing its not by default. [13:41] GridCube: it wasn't installed by mistake in 11.10 (that was fixed in -updates and later releases) [13:41] o: [13:41] okay then :) [13:42] I was jus re-reading the faqs to start working on new ones and that one strike my interest [13:42] for 12.04+ it should be installed by default, so yeah you can probably drop this sentence :P [13:44] you know, thats a thing that happens when you re-read something you wrote ages ago, you go like... wait.. why did i wrote that that way... === cyphermox_ is now known as cyphermox [14:21] Anyone testing Xubuntu Alternate images now??? (for 12.04.1) No testers! [14:25] mr_pouit: well, it's us, mythbuntu (they don't care as they're not releasing), and Ubuntu Studio, I don't see we have much of a choice unless we drop indicator support (which is a regression in functionality that will hopefully be solved by a GTK3 port before the LTS) [14:30] yeah, dropping indicator support would kinda suck. i mean we "simulated" the potential backdraws already 2 releases ago, and the trayicon-fallback mode of most apps has most likely become even worse since then... [14:30] micahg, mr_pouit ^ [15:06] we need tests for alternates [15:06] people can run those? [15:06] knome: I am doing these [15:06] Leave that to me:) [15:07] Tested amd64, now i386 [15:07] okay, thanks [15:07] :) [15:09] smartboyhw: are you interested in contributing to lightdm-gtk-greeter (or help maintaining it)? I think you asked to join the lp team, so I wonder :P [15:09] Sure, I can [15:11] ooh, now we're talking :) [15:11] :) [15:12] smartboyhw: ochosi will send you lots of requests, are you still in? :P [15:12] * mr_pouit runs [15:12] :P [15:12] Still here [15:13] * smartboyhw trys to run, but needs to stick here to update knome on 12.04.1 alternate images testing:) [15:14] smartboyhw: have you looked at the source yet? [15:15] ochosi: No, will look at tmr:) [15:15] ok :) [15:15] some changes are easy and just require changing options in the .ui file [15:15] others might be more interesting [15:16] Hmm [15:18] knome: I tested the alternates [15:18] smartboyhw, ok, thanks [15:20] knome: Thanks [15:26] pleia2, morning! [15:28] knome: What happened to the upgrade testcases??? [15:28] no idea [15:29] haven't been monitoring them [15:29] No human tested it [15:29] :( [15:36] ok, we need two more upgrade test [15:36] i can run one of two [15:36] eh, one or two [15:36] No for me. [15:40] anybody able to run an upgrade test from oneiric to precise on amd64? [15:40] knome: It looks like as if you're on your own:( [15:41] we didn't wait for a minute yet [15:41] just be patient [15:44] :) [16:00] upgrade to 12.04 done, without problems. [16:00] upgrade from 12.04 to 12.04.1 done, without problems. (sorry) [16:01] The updates on 12.10 form yesterday has a bug, there is no speaker on my screen anymore :-) [16:04] mr_pouit, what's the status with the 4.10 blueprint? rdeps? [16:05] ochosi, can you check if the work item statuses are correct in https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-q-xubuntu-elementary-xfce ? [16:06] ochosi, also, should we just postpone https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-q-xubuntu-new-plymouth ? [16:06] ochosi, or are you planning some updates to it [16:06] i have no clue how plymouth animations work [16:06] so, no [16:06] -> postpone [16:06] mmkay [16:06] the icons workitems are correct (unfortunately) [16:07] i really need that vbox [16:07] probably more important than doing your testcase :) [16:07] well, UIF is next week [16:07] 12.04.1 release is today [16:08] we just can't sign off the release without doing at least the lucid->precise updates [16:08] meh [16:08] ok [16:09] and the vbox for that is deletable right after the test [16:09] yeah yeah, i know [16:09] it's just so time-consuming [16:09] anyway [16:09] i386 or amd64? [16:09] r0n__, it's from 11.10 to 12.04(.1), not 12.04 to 12.04.1 [16:10] urr, i'm running 10.04->12.04 amd64 soon [16:10] so maybe i386 [16:10] since gridcube dropped too [16:10] ok [16:11] now don't confuse me too much. :) [16:11] Sorry, than I'm away ...... tnx for the ggood work, [16:11] i assume it doesn't matter whether i use alternate or desktop for 11.10? [16:11] no. [16:11] but please do 10.04 -> [16:11] (actually) [16:11] wootß [16:11] because gc is off [16:12] so two upgrades? [16:12] yeah, i know i said something else before [16:12] well, one is fine [16:12] rather do 10.04 than 11.10 [16:12] so not up to 12.04? [16:13] 10.04 to 12.04 . [16:13] that's the LTS route [16:13] now you're confusing me entirely [16:13] i shall upgrade from 10.04 to 11.10 and that's it? [16:14] no. [16:14] from 10.04 to 12.04 [16:14] LTS->LTS [16:14] and that's it. [16:14] quote: 18:12 knome$ rather do 10.04 than 11.10 [16:14] and i386. [16:14] yes [16:14] ah right [16:14] rather update FROM 10.04 than 11.10 [16:14] :) [16:14] now i get what you meant :p [16:14] hehe [16:14] good [16:15] ok, i'm on it [16:15] knome: btw, imre sent me a screenshot of a bg he proposes for the launcher panel [16:15] ok [16:16] http://imagebin.org/225596 [16:16] a bit too metallic for me, but i like the resemblance to the website [16:16] (i mean: i think that's a good idea) [16:16] i like that more than the one you did [16:16] i didn't do the other one [16:16] maybe rethink the white shade at top [16:16] oh [16:16] ? [16:16] that's why i never pushed it [16:16] :P [16:16] aha [16:17] got it from the interwebs :) [16:18] ok [16:18] from that, i'd maybe tune down the stripes at the top [16:18] ok, i sent him another email asking for the image [16:18] if you understand what i mean [16:18] yeah [16:18] i think that's what i meant with "metallic look" [16:19] do you wanna play with it a bit? [16:19] i can, when/if he sends the image file [16:19] (i don't have time right now, i'm doing a testcase, you know :) ) [16:19] yeah, the same [16:19] i should run at least one [16:19] eh, two of course. [16:19] you can modify the png if you want [16:19] i think it's wide enough without launchers on it [16:20] realistically, wait until 21UTC [16:20] then maybe [16:20] ochosi, btw, can you go to the iso tracker and mark the test "in progress" [16:21] link? [16:21] wait [16:21] http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/230/builds/21384/testcases/1259/results [16:21] so add a test result with result "in progress" [16:21] then edit it later [16:21] :) [16:22] done [16:22] thanks [16:23] np [16:30] knome: the upgrade from 10.04.2 is fine? [16:30] yes, of course [16:30] (couldn't find 10.04 on the release page) [16:30] k [16:30] that's where people should be anyway [16:31] you might also need to install "a few updates" :P [16:31] like, 300.. [16:31] my poor isp [16:31] haha [16:31] well, say that to my isp [16:31] i have lucid upgrading [16:31] soon oneiric [16:32] and i dl'ded 3 isos already [16:46] knome: i'm going out in ~1.5hrs, we'll see if the testcase is finished till then... [16:46] (still installing 10.04) [16:47] hopefully it is. [16:47] yeah, can't promise... [16:47] i wouldn't mind doing that too (though i will if you can't) [16:48] upgrading both 11.10 and 10.04 now ;) [16:48] sounds like fun [16:48] it's quite fun, actually [16:48] without *having* to do it, i'd enjoy it more though [16:48] heh [16:48] does it help if i tell you you don't have to do it? :) [16:48] lol [16:49] no, because skaet and stgraber tell me to get it done [17:02] knome: brrr, gdm2 ... [17:03] ochosi, haha [17:03] sry, but really, 12.04 looks far nicer than 10.04 :} [17:03] it does, i agree [17:04] but it's nice to be reminded of the old days [17:04] is it? [17:04] :D [17:04] a friend still uses 10.04, waiting for the lts upgrade path [17:04] hrrr [17:04] whoa, you have patient friends [17:05] ;) [17:05] or busy friends with production machines they have no time to fix every 6 months ;) [17:05] dl-ing the 233 upgrades for 10.04 now [17:05] ok, both amd64 systems are now upgrading packages [17:05] actually [17:05] you could cancel [17:06] and just do 'sudo update-manager -d' [17:06] that should work too [17:06] only takes 5mins [17:06] ok [17:06] ;) [17:06] downloading the 11.10 i386 desktop iso now [17:08] my lucid will upgrade like for 40mins [17:08] 2gb ram [17:08] (after getting the new packages of course) [17:08] 10.04 reminds me that the update-manager hasn't changed at all since then [17:08] ;) [17:09] although i saw it will for 12.10 [17:09] didn't look very promising though [17:09] mmh [17:21] ochosi, status? [17:25] knome: installing upgrades (currently kernel) [17:25] "please wait, this can take some time" [17:25] meh [17:25] still [17:25] 5 mins yeah ;) [17:26] i'll start downloading the lucid i386 image... [17:26] :P [17:26] A watched update never ends :( [17:26] hah [17:26] well, it has to catch 2 years" [17:27] s/"/!/ [17:27] 11.10 looks good :) [17:27] well, relatively [17:28] update done, restarting now [17:28] good [17:29] guess the lightdm-greeter mockups will have to wait... :/ [17:30] yeah, sorry [17:30] 5mins remaining of the amd64 lucid->precise upgrade [17:30] apologize to the users, not to me! :) [17:30] upgrade running [17:30] the heart does not know to miss something the eyes haven't seen [17:31] so i believe we're ok [17:31] * ochosi is stunned by the wiseness of knome [17:31] :) [17:31] 1min! [17:32] still setting software chans [17:32] mmh [17:33] it'll be tight [17:33] i just hope the mirrors are fast enough [17:33] if you have to go 18.15UTC [17:33] it'll be really tight. [17:33] oh man, getting packages (42mins remaining)... [17:33] :/ [17:33] yeah... [17:33] can you leave the laptop on? :P [17:34] and write a script that will monitor and submit the results? [17:34] heh [17:34] take it with you [17:34] sure sure [17:34] you have time to download the stuff [17:34] :P [17:34] just let it install [17:34] where are you going btw? [17:34] i always take my laptop with me when going out :p [17:34] meeting friends i haven't seen for quite a while [17:34] hmm. [17:34] everybody was travelling over the summer [17:34] why not? :P [17:35] just set it on the table [17:35] . [17:35] :D [17:35] meh, "WARNING: failed to read mirror file" [17:35] i'm hopeless [17:35] yeah, i had that too [17:35] ignore [17:35] yeah, but that might be the reason it's sooo slow [17:35] unless it failed the whole installation [17:38] pleia2, ? [17:38] pleia2, would you have time to write a short blog article telling 12.04.1 is out before 21UTC? [17:38] knome: no, really busy at work today [17:39] bleh [17:39] even if i asked REALLY nicely? [17:42] sorry [17:45] bleh. :) [17:45] i'll do that too then... [17:46] (and she calls herself the marketing lead, schuss) [17:46] ;) [17:46] (no seriously, it's fine, just kidding) [17:47] maybe we should just add more people to "active" [17:47] eh [17:47] wrong window [17:47] :P [17:57] getting new packages: 29mins remaining... [17:58] (922 of 1524) [17:58] meh [18:07] knome: do you have a ne terminalrc for me? [18:07] *new [18:10] mr_pouit, not right now [18:10] mr_pouit, i'll provide you that on the weekend if not before [18:10] knome: between 15 and 25 mins remaining [18:11] can you confirm something [18:11] isn't it so that people using 12.04 will just get normal upgrades [18:11] and they are at 12.04.1 [18:11] eg. no specific "upgrade now" dialog [18:13] knome: ok [18:13] thanks for the understanding :P [18:21] pleia2, mr_pouit, ochosi: can you review http://xubuntu.org/?p=1372&preview=true [18:21] (need to be logged in) [18:22] errm [18:22] wut? [18:22] "Users on 12.04 should get an upgrade notification when booting their systems up the next time." ? [18:23] shouldn't that read 10.04? [18:23] feel free to fix it [18:23] it's just a big brainfart [18:23] well, not very big [18:23] ;) [18:23] true [18:23] 7mins remaining [18:23] download or intall? [18:24] then it'll install the upgrade... :( [18:24] install too [18:24] i'm actually at downloading new packages now too [18:24] yes, i'm hyperactive [18:25] about 13 mins remaining :) [18:26] i can't even imagine how hard the user-xp breaks from ubuntu 10.04 to 12.04 [18:27] in comparison the transition is really smooth in xubuntu [18:27] btw, looks like the local univ of applied sciences are having an assignment to install xubuntu [18:27] we're getting a few trackbacks already... [18:27] try to get a few contributors out of that [18:27] maybe we should contact them and ask whether they'd like us to write about it [18:27] lol [18:27] I. WON'T. [18:28] if they are at the same level as the few trainees we had from there... ugh [18:29] <1min remaining [18:29] * ochosi is getting excited [18:29] 10 here [18:29] yeah, the pkg installation takes some time too [18:29] well thanks for the heads-up, it's really my first upgrade, you know [18:30] uu, installing now [18:30] hmm [18:30] that seems to be "linux as a server" of sth course [18:31] i'll bookmark the leaders blog entry [18:31] hm, the installer doesn't give me any estimate of how long it'll take [18:32] it should, at some point [18:35] 1hr 6mins [18:35] :| [18:35] yeah, lol [18:36] 1hr nw [18:36] yeah, it should accelerate [18:36] let's hope it continues at that speed [18:36] knome: do I have an account on xubuntu.org? [18:36] i think it said something like 1h 30mins for me at start [18:36] mr_pouit, you should be able to log, since you are in the xubuntu-team [18:36] just go to xubuntu.org/wp-admin and ubuntu SSO should get you in [18:38] yeah, that works [18:39] logging, or the article? [18:39] both :p [18:39] ok [18:46] seriously! the installation was stuck. when i hovered my mouse over the vbox window, it shows me a dialog immediately. why not before! [18:47] haha, 3h 30mins.. [18:47] 2hrs 13mins [18:48] 1h 34mins :D [18:48] i assigned 2gb ram.. [18:48] too late for that now [18:48] hehe, yeah... :)= [18:49] not sure i can wait so long... [18:49] yeah, it's ok if not [18:49] i should've left 15mins ago [18:49] i'll run it anyway. [18:49] mkay [18:49] still, it kinda sucks [18:50] have fun with friends :) [18:50] yeah, i know [18:50] i mean i did get quite far [18:50] * knome scores 4/4 [18:50] :P [18:50] but there's still 1hr50mins to go [18:50] heh [18:50] yeah, there are days when you have to live with 3/4 [18:50] ;) [18:50] yeah [18:50] but i meant four testcases :P [18:50] not steps [18:51] ah right :D [18:51] (yeah...) [18:51] 52mins [18:51] meh, i could've downloaded and installed quantal in that time... :) [18:51] looks like i'd still be ready way before you [18:51] lol [18:52] 1hr37 [18:52] i like the lucid wallpaper, but the panels are uglyish [18:52] yeah, and the icons.. [18:52] even albatross has stood the time quite well [18:52] heh, that too [18:52] especially the tray [18:52] mmh, well, panel as a whole [18:53] the icons on desktop are ok [18:53] so should we schedule the ubiquity-slideshow revamp for next week? [18:53] or at least update the screenshots [18:53] yes, definitely. [18:53] but we also need to finish the docs next week [18:53] :P [18:54] and the rest of the UI stuff [18:54] heh, 29mins... [18:54] greybird is ready apart from the lightdm style [18:54] looks like this is going really fast [18:55] looks like it's good for the progress that i'm not running 2/3 parallel :P [18:55] but if someone could test bluebird and albatross, that'd be good [18:55] not sure they're both ready for gtk3.5... [18:55]