[10:25] <Akusari> Hi folks :-) I love xubuntu :-)
[10:25] <smartboyhw> Akusari: Great
[10:25] <Akusari> It's the best for netbooks like my one
[10:27] <Akusari> Eclipse runs sooo smoothly - Just fun#
[13:09] <mr_pouit> micahg: fyi, libido/gtk2 is gone as well, and apparently it's normal "because it's not a public library"
[13:10] <mr_pouit> I'm not sure it's reasonable to go on with indicators if we end up with reuploading all the gtk2 stack
[13:19] <mr_pouit> okay, it's only libido, so it's probably fine
[13:38] <GridCube> knome, question: in http://xubuntu.org/news/faq-1204-precise/ faq 1 recommends people to check if gcfs-backends is installed. Why would it not be? i mean if its essential to use samba shares wont it be useful to have it preinstalled?
[13:39] <GridCube> i find it interesting that we are recommending them to do check if its installed, when knowing its not by default.
[13:41] <mr_pouit> GridCube: it wasn't installed by mistake in 11.10 (that was fixed in -updates and later releases)
[13:41] <GridCube> o:
[13:41] <GridCube> okay then :)
[13:42] <GridCube> I was jus re-reading the faqs to start working on new ones and that one strike my interest 
[13:42] <mr_pouit> for 12.04+ it should be installed by default, so yeah you can probably drop this sentence :P
[13:44] <GridCube> you know, thats a thing that happens when you re-read something you wrote ages ago, you go like... wait.. why did i wrote that that way...
[14:21] <smartboyhw> Anyone testing Xubuntu Alternate images now??? (for 12.04.1) No testers!
[14:25] <micahg> mr_pouit: well, it's us, mythbuntu (they don't care as they're not releasing), and Ubuntu Studio, I don't see we have much of a choice unless we drop indicator support (which is a regression in functionality that will hopefully be solved by a GTK3 port before the LTS)
[14:30] <ochosi> yeah, dropping indicator support would kinda suck. i mean we "simulated" the potential backdraws already 2 releases ago, and the trayicon-fallback mode of most apps has most likely become even worse since then...
[14:30] <ochosi> micahg, mr_pouit ^
[15:06] <knome> we need tests for alternates
[15:06] <knome> people can run those?
[15:06] <smartboyhw> knome: I am doing these
[15:06] <smartboyhw> Leave that to me:)
[15:07] <smartboyhw> Tested amd64, now i386
[15:07] <knome> okay, thanks
[15:07] <smartboyhw> :)
[15:09] <mr_pouit> smartboyhw: are you interested in contributing to lightdm-gtk-greeter (or help maintaining it)? I think you asked to join the lp team, so I wonder :P
[15:09] <smartboyhw> Sure, I can
[15:11] <ochosi> ooh, now we're talking :)
[15:11] <smartboyhw> :)
[15:12] <mr_pouit> smartboyhw: ochosi will send you lots of requests, are you still in? :P
[15:12]  * mr_pouit runs
[15:12] <smartboyhw> :P
[15:12] <smartboyhw> Still here
[15:13]  * smartboyhw trys to run, but needs to stick here to update knome on 12.04.1 alternate images testing:)
[15:14] <ochosi> smartboyhw: have you looked at the source yet?
[15:15] <smartboyhw> ochosi: No, will look at tmr:)
[15:15] <ochosi> ok :)
[15:15] <ochosi> some changes are easy and just require changing options in the .ui file
[15:15] <ochosi> others might be more interesting
[15:16] <smartboyhw> Hmm
[15:18] <smartboyhw> knome: I tested the alternates
[15:18] <knome> smartboyhw, ok, thanks
[15:20] <smartboyhw> knome: Thanks
[15:26] <knome> pleia2, morning!
[15:28] <smartboyhw> knome: What happened to the upgrade testcases???
[15:28] <knome> no idea
[15:29] <knome> haven't been monitoring them
[15:29] <smartboyhw> No human tested it
[15:29] <smartboyhw> :(
[15:36] <knome> ok, we need two more upgrade test
[15:36] <knome> i can run one of two
[15:36] <knome> eh, one or two
[15:36] <smartboyhw> No for me.
[15:40] <knome> anybody able to run an upgrade test from oneiric to precise on amd64?
[15:40] <smartboyhw> knome: It looks like as if you're on your own:(
[15:41] <knome> we didn't wait for a minute yet
[15:41] <knome> just be patient
[15:44] <smartboyhw> :)
[16:00] <r0n__> upgrade to 12.04 done, without problems.
[16:00] <r0n__> upgrade from 12.04 to 12.04.1 done, without problems. (sorry)
[16:01] <r0n__> The updates on 12.10 form yesterday has a bug, there is no speaker on my screen anymore :-)
[16:04] <knome> mr_pouit, what's the status with the 4.10 blueprint? rdeps?
[16:05] <knome> ochosi, can you check if the work item statuses are correct in https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-q-xubuntu-elementary-xfce ?
[16:06] <knome> ochosi, also, should we just postpone https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-q-xubuntu-new-plymouth ?
[16:06] <knome> ochosi, or are you planning some updates to it
[16:06] <ochosi> i have no clue how plymouth animations work
[16:06] <ochosi>  so, no
[16:06] <ochosi> -> postpone
[16:06] <knome> mmkay
[16:06] <ochosi> the icons workitems are correct (unfortunately)
[16:07] <ochosi> i really need that vbox
[16:07] <ochosi> probably more important than doing your testcase :)
[16:07] <knome> well, UIF is next week
[16:07] <knome> 12.04.1 release is today
[16:08] <knome> we just can't sign off the release without doing at least the lucid->precise updates
[16:08] <ochosi> meh
[16:08] <ochosi> ok
[16:09] <knome> and the vbox for that is deletable right after the test
[16:09] <ochosi> yeah yeah, i know
[16:09] <ochosi> it's just so time-consuming
[16:09] <ochosi> anyway
[16:09] <ochosi> i386 or amd64?
[16:09] <knome> r0n__, it's from 11.10 to 12.04(.1), not 12.04 to 12.04.1
[16:10] <knome> urr, i'm running 10.04->12.04 amd64 soon
[16:10] <knome> so maybe i386
[16:10] <knome> since gridcube dropped too
[16:10] <ochosi> ok
[16:11] <knome> now don't confuse me too much. :)
[16:11] <r0n__> Sorry, than I'm away ...... tnx for the ggood work,
[16:11] <ochosi> i assume it doesn't matter whether i use alternate or desktop for 11.10?
[16:11] <knome> no.
[16:11] <knome> but please do 10.04 ->
[16:11] <knome> (actually)
[16:11] <ochosi> wootß
[16:11] <knome> because gc is off
[16:12] <ochosi> so two upgrades?
[16:12] <knome> yeah, i know i said something else before
[16:12] <knome> well, one is fine
[16:12] <knome> rather do 10.04 than 11.10
[16:12] <ochosi> so not up to 12.04?
[16:13] <knome> 10.04 to 12.04 .
[16:13] <knome> that's the LTS route
[16:13] <ochosi> now you're confusing me entirely
[16:13] <ochosi> i shall upgrade from 10.04 to 11.10 and that's it?
[16:14] <knome> no.
[16:14] <knome> from 10.04 to 12.04
[16:14] <knome> LTS->LTS
[16:14] <knome> and that's it.
[16:14] <ochosi> quote: 18:12  knome$ rather do 10.04 than 11.10
[16:14] <knome> and i386.
[16:14] <knome> yes
[16:14] <ochosi> ah right
[16:14] <knome> rather update FROM 10.04 than 11.10
[16:14] <knome> :)
[16:14] <ochosi> now i get what you meant :p
[16:14] <knome> hehe
[16:14] <knome> good
[16:15] <ochosi> ok, i'm on it
[16:15] <ochosi> knome: btw, imre sent me a screenshot of a bg he proposes for the launcher panel
[16:15] <knome> ok
[16:16] <ochosi> http://imagebin.org/225596
[16:16] <ochosi> a bit too metallic for me, but i like the resemblance to the website
[16:16] <ochosi> (i mean: i think that's a good idea)
[16:16] <knome> i like that more than the one you did
[16:16] <ochosi> i didn't do the other one
[16:16] <knome> maybe rethink the white shade at top
[16:16] <knome> oh
[16:16] <knome> ?
[16:16] <ochosi> that's why i never pushed it
[16:16] <knome> :P
[16:16] <knome> aha
[16:17] <ochosi> got it from the interwebs :)
[16:18] <knome> ok
[16:18] <knome> from that, i'd maybe tune down the stripes at the top
[16:18] <ochosi> ok, i sent him another email asking for the image
[16:18] <knome> if you understand what i mean
[16:18] <ochosi> yeah
[16:18] <ochosi> i think that's what i meant with "metallic look"
[16:19] <ochosi> do you wanna play with it a bit?
[16:19] <knome> i can, when/if he sends the image file
[16:19] <ochosi> (i don't have time right now, i'm doing a testcase, you know :) )
[16:19] <knome> yeah, the same
[16:19] <knome> i should run at least one
[16:19] <knome> eh, two of course.
[16:19] <ochosi> you can modify the png if you want
[16:19] <ochosi> i think it's wide enough without launchers on it
[16:20] <knome> realistically, wait until 21UTC
[16:20] <knome> then maybe
[16:20] <knome> ochosi, btw, can you go to the iso tracker and mark the test "in progress"
[16:21] <ochosi> link?
[16:21] <knome> wait
[16:21] <knome> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/230/builds/21384/testcases/1259/results
[16:21] <knome> so add a test result with result "in progress"
[16:21] <knome> then edit it later
[16:21] <knome> :)
[16:22] <ochosi> done
[16:22] <knome> thanks
[16:23] <ochosi> np
[16:30] <ochosi> knome: the upgrade from 10.04.2 is fine?
[16:30] <knome> yes, of course
[16:30] <ochosi> (couldn't find 10.04 on the release page)
[16:30] <ochosi> k
[16:30] <knome> that's where people should be anyway
[16:31] <knome> you might also need to install "a few updates" :P
[16:31] <knome> like, 300..
[16:31] <ochosi> my poor isp
[16:31] <knome> haha
[16:31] <knome> well, say that to my isp
[16:31] <knome> i have lucid upgrading
[16:31] <knome> soon oneiric
[16:32] <knome> and i dl'ded 3 isos already
[16:46] <ochosi> knome: i'm going out in ~1.5hrs, we'll see if the testcase is finished till then...
[16:46] <ochosi> (still installing 10.04)
[16:47] <knome> hopefully it is.
[16:47] <ochosi> yeah, can't promise...
[16:47] <knome> i wouldn't mind doing that too (though i will if you can't)
[16:48] <knome> upgrading both 11.10 and 10.04 now ;)
[16:48] <ochosi> sounds like fun
[16:48] <knome> it's quite fun, actually
[16:48] <knome> without *having* to do it, i'd enjoy it more though
[16:48] <ochosi> heh
[16:48] <ochosi> does it help if i tell you you don't have to do it? :)
[16:48] <knome> lol
[16:49] <knome> no, because skaet and stgraber tell me to get it done
[17:02] <ochosi> knome: brrr, gdm2 ...
[17:03] <knome> ochosi, haha
[17:03] <ochosi> sry, but really, 12.04 looks far nicer than 10.04 :}
[17:03] <knome> it does, i agree
[17:04] <ochosi> but it's nice to be reminded of the old days
[17:04] <knome> is it?
[17:04] <knome> :D
[17:04] <knome> a friend still uses 10.04, waiting for the lts upgrade path
[17:04] <knome> hrrr
[17:04] <ochosi> whoa, you have patient friends
[17:05] <knome> ;)
[17:05] <knome> or busy friends with production machines they have no time to fix every 6 months ;)
[17:05] <ochosi> dl-ing the 233 upgrades for 10.04 now
[17:05] <knome> ok, both amd64 systems are now upgrading packages
[17:05] <knome> actually
[17:05] <knome> you could cancel
[17:06] <knome> and just do 'sudo update-manager -d'
[17:06] <knome> that should work too
[17:06] <ochosi> only takes 5mins
[17:06] <knome> ok
[17:06] <knome> ;)
[17:06] <knome> downloading the 11.10 i386 desktop iso now
[17:08] <knome> my lucid will upgrade like for 40mins
[17:08] <knome> 2gb ram
[17:08] <knome> (after getting the new packages of course)
[17:08] <ochosi> 10.04 reminds me that the update-manager hasn't changed at all since then
[17:08] <knome> ;)
[17:09] <ochosi> although i saw it will for 12.10
[17:09] <ochosi> didn't look very promising though
[17:09] <knome> mmh
[17:21] <knome> ochosi, status?
[17:25] <ochosi> knome: installing upgrades (currently kernel)
[17:25] <ochosi> "please wait, this can take some time"
[17:25] <knome> meh
[17:25] <knome> still
[17:25] <knome> 5 mins yeah ;)
[17:26] <knome> i'll start downloading the lucid i386 image...
[17:26] <knome> :P
[17:26] <drc> A watched update never ends :(
[17:26] <knome> hah
[17:26] <knome> well, it has to catch 2 years"
[17:27] <knome> s/"/!/
[17:27] <knome> 11.10 looks good :)
[17:27] <knome> well, relatively
[17:28] <ochosi> update done, restarting now
[17:28] <knome> good
[17:29] <ochosi> guess the lightdm-greeter mockups will have to wait... :/
[17:30] <knome> yeah, sorry
[17:30] <knome> 5mins remaining of the amd64 lucid->precise upgrade
[17:30] <ochosi> apologize to the users, not to me! :)
[17:30] <ochosi> upgrade running
[17:30] <knome> the heart does not know to miss something the eyes haven't seen
[17:31] <knome> so i believe we're ok
[17:31]  * ochosi is stunned by the wiseness of knome
[17:31] <knome> :)
[17:31] <knome> 1min!
[17:32] <ochosi> still setting software chans
[17:32] <knome> mmh
[17:33] <knome> it'll be tight
[17:33] <ochosi> i just hope the mirrors are fast enough
[17:33] <knome> if you have to go 18.15UTC
[17:33] <knome> it'll be really tight.
[17:33] <ochosi> oh man, getting packages (42mins remaining)...
[17:33] <ochosi> :/
[17:33] <knome> yeah...
[17:33] <knome> can you leave the laptop on? :P
[17:34] <ochosi> and write a script that will monitor and submit the results?
[17:34] <knome> heh
[17:34] <knome> take it with you
[17:34] <ochosi> sure sure
[17:34] <knome> you have time to download the stuff
[17:34] <knome>  :P
[17:34] <knome> just let it install
[17:34] <knome> where are you going btw?
[17:34] <ochosi> i always take my laptop with me when going out :p
[17:34] <ochosi> meeting friends i haven't seen for quite a while
[17:34] <knome> hmm.
[17:34] <ochosi> everybody was travelling over the summer
[17:34] <knome> why not? :P
[17:35] <knome> just set it on the table
[17:35] <knome> .
[17:35] <knome> :D
[17:35] <ochosi> meh, "WARNING: failed to read mirror file"
[17:35] <knome> i'm hopeless
[17:35] <knome> yeah, i had that too
[17:35] <knome> ignore
[17:35] <ochosi> yeah, but that might be the reason it's sooo slow
[17:35] <knome> unless it failed the whole installation
[17:38] <knome> pleia2, ?
[17:38] <knome> pleia2, would you have time to write a short blog article telling 12.04.1 is out before 21UTC?
[17:38] <pleia2> knome: no, really busy at work today
[17:39] <knome> bleh
[17:39] <knome> even if i asked REALLY nicely?
[17:42] <pleia2> sorry
[17:45] <knome> bleh. :)
[17:45] <knome> i'll do that too then...
[17:46] <knome> (and she calls herself the marketing lead, schuss)
[17:46] <knome> ;)
[17:46] <knome> (no seriously, it's fine, just kidding)
[17:47] <knome> maybe we should just add more people to "active"
[17:47] <knome> eh
[17:47] <knome> wrong window
[17:47] <knome> :P
[17:57] <ochosi> getting new packages: 29mins remaining...
[17:58] <ochosi> (922 of 1524)
[17:58] <knome> meh
[18:07] <mr_pouit> knome: do you have a ne terminalrc for me?
[18:07] <mr_pouit> *new
[18:10] <knome> mr_pouit, not right now
[18:10] <knome> mr_pouit, i'll provide you that on the weekend if not before
[18:10] <ochosi> knome: between 15 and 25 mins remaining
[18:11] <knome> can you confirm something
[18:11] <knome> isn't it so that people using 12.04 will just get normal upgrades
[18:11] <knome> and they are at 12.04.1
[18:11] <knome> eg. no specific "upgrade now" dialog
[18:13] <mr_pouit> knome: ok
[18:13] <knome> thanks for the understanding :P
[18:21] <knome> pleia2, mr_pouit, ochosi: can you review http://xubuntu.org/?p=1372&preview=true
[18:21] <knome> (need to be logged in)
[18:22] <ochosi> errm
[18:22] <knome> wut?
[18:22] <ochosi> "Users on 12.04 should get an upgrade notification when booting their systems up the next time." ?
[18:23] <ochosi> shouldn't that read 10.04?
[18:23] <knome> feel free to fix it
[18:23] <knome> it's just a big brainfart
[18:23] <ochosi> well, not very big
[18:23] <knome> ;)
[18:23] <knome> true
[18:23] <ochosi> 7mins remaining
[18:23] <knome> download or intall?
[18:24] <ochosi> then it'll install the upgrade... :(
[18:24] <knome> install too
[18:24] <knome> i'm actually at downloading new packages now too
[18:24] <knome> yes, i'm hyperactive
[18:25] <knome> about 13 mins remaining :)
[18:26] <ochosi> i can't even imagine how hard the user-xp breaks from ubuntu 10.04 to 12.04
[18:27] <ochosi> in comparison the transition is really smooth in xubuntu
[18:27] <knome> btw, looks like the local univ of applied sciences are having an assignment to install xubuntu
[18:27] <knome> we're getting a few trackbacks already...
[18:27] <ochosi> try to get a few contributors out of that
[18:27] <knome> maybe we should contact them and ask whether they'd like us to write about it
[18:27] <knome> lol
[18:27] <knome> I. WON'T.
[18:28] <knome> if they are at the same level as the few trainees we had from there... ugh
[18:29] <ochosi> <1min remaining
[18:29]  * ochosi is getting excited
[18:29] <knome> 10 here
[18:29] <knome> yeah, the pkg installation takes some time too
[18:29] <ochosi> well thanks for the heads-up, it's really my first upgrade, you know
[18:30] <ochosi> uu, installing now
[18:30] <knome> hmm
[18:30] <knome> that seems to be "linux as a server" of sth course
[18:31] <knome> i'll bookmark the leaders blog entry
[18:31] <ochosi> hm, the installer doesn't give me any estimate of how long it'll take
[18:32] <knome> it should, at some point
[18:35] <ochosi> 1hr 6mins
[18:35] <knome> :|
[18:35] <ochosi> yeah, lol
[18:36] <ochosi> 1hr nw
[18:36] <knome> yeah, it should accelerate
[18:36] <ochosi> let's hope it continues at that speed
[18:36] <mr_pouit> knome: do I have an account on xubuntu.org?
[18:36] <knome> i think it said something like 1h 30mins for me at start
[18:36] <knome> mr_pouit, you should be able to log, since you are in the xubuntu-team
[18:36] <knome> just go to xubuntu.org/wp-admin and ubuntu SSO should get you in
[18:38] <mr_pouit> yeah, that works
[18:39] <knome> logging, or the article?
[18:39] <mr_pouit> both :p
[18:39] <knome> ok
[18:46] <knome> seriously! the installation was stuck. when i hovered my mouse over the vbox window, it shows me a dialog immediately. why not before!
[18:47] <knome> haha, 3h 30mins..
[18:47] <ochosi> 2hrs 13mins
[18:48] <knome> 1h 34mins :D
[18:48] <knome> i assigned 2gb ram..
[18:48] <ochosi> too late for that now
[18:48] <knome> hehe, yeah... :)=
[18:49] <ochosi> not sure i can wait so long...
[18:49] <knome> yeah, it's ok if not
[18:49] <ochosi> i should've left 15mins ago
[18:49] <knome> i'll run it anyway.
[18:49] <ochosi> mkay
[18:49] <ochosi> still, it kinda sucks
[18:50] <knome> have fun with friends :)
[18:50] <knome> yeah, i know
[18:50] <ochosi> i mean i did get quite far
[18:50]  * knome scores 4/4
[18:50] <knome> :P
[18:50] <ochosi> but there's still 1hr50mins to go
[18:50] <ochosi> heh
[18:50] <ochosi> yeah, there are days when you have to live with 3/4
[18:50] <knome> ;)
[18:50] <knome> yeah
[18:50] <knome> but i meant four testcases :P
[18:50] <knome> not steps
[18:51] <ochosi> ah right :D
[18:51] <knome> (yeah...)
[18:51] <knome> 52mins
[18:51] <ochosi> meh, i could've downloaded and installed quantal in that time... :)
[18:51] <knome> looks like i'd still be ready way before you
[18:51] <knome> lol
[18:52] <ochosi> 1hr37
[18:52] <knome> i like the lucid wallpaper, but the panels are uglyish
[18:52] <ochosi> yeah, and the icons..
[18:52] <knome> even albatross has stood the time quite well
[18:52] <knome> heh, that too
[18:52] <ochosi> especially the tray
[18:52] <knome> mmh, well, panel as a whole
[18:53] <knome> the icons on desktop are ok
[18:53] <ochosi> so should we schedule the ubiquity-slideshow revamp for next week?
[18:53] <ochosi> or at least update the screenshots
[18:53] <knome> yes, definitely.
[18:53] <knome> but we also need to finish the docs next week
[18:53] <knome> :P
[18:54] <knome> and the rest of the UI stuff
[18:54] <knome> heh, 29mins...
[18:54] <ochosi> greybird is ready apart from the lightdm style
[18:54] <knome> looks like this is going really fast
[18:55] <knome> looks like it's good for the progress that i'm not running 2/3 parallel :P
[18:55] <ochosi> but if someone could test bluebird and albatross, that'd be good
[18:55] <ochosi> not sure they're both ready for gtk3.5...
[18:55] <knome> i can say that i can do that if i have time, but you know what that means
[18:56] <ochosi> heh
[18:56] <ochosi> yeah
[18:56] <ochosi> un/fortunately
[18:56] <knome> (i'll forget before monday, and you have to remind me during the week, and then on thursday you shout to me and i will test them for 5 mins...)
[18:56] <knome> and that's as useful as nothing
[18:56] <knome> ;)
[18:56] <knome> or maybe i'll find somethig that you don't even think is a bug, but i *totally* want fixed
[18:57] <knome> so probably even better if i don't test them.
[19:00] <ochosi> 1hr remaining
[19:00] <knome> 13mins ;)
[19:00] <ochosi> g2g now
[19:00] <knome> have fun!
[19:00] <ochosi> you too
[19:00] <knome> will do
[19:00] <ochosi> talk to you tomorrow!
[19:00] <knome> yup!
[19:01] <knome> i didn't realize it, but if you name your vbox virtual machines with "/" on them, it will create subdirectories
[19:01] <knome> that's logical, but still awesome to notice that at this time... :)
[19:01] <ochosi> heh
[19:02] <knome> i'm off in 10, so if somebody needs to talk with me about something, do it now
[19:03] <knome> pleia2, you here?
[19:10] <knome> ok, i'm off
[19:10] <knome> see you later.
[19:10] <knome> 2:10 notice < queuebot:#ubuntu-release: Builds: Upgrade Xubuntu amd64 [Precise 12.04.1] has been marked as ready
[19:10] <knome> 22:10 notice < queuebot:#ubuntu-release: Builds: Upgrade Xubuntu i386 [Precise 12.04.1] has been marked as ready
[19:36] <pleia2> knome: sorry, today has been crazy work-wise
[19:38] <pleia2> post looks fine, short and sweet :)
[19:39] <pleia2> my while-on-train plans this evening are to merge our About pages, so I should have that for review by tomorrow
[21:10] <knome> pleia2, shiny!
[21:15] <knome> pleia2, i gathered from our backlogs that a finnish univ of applied sciences course has "install xubuntu" as one of their tasks, and they will be using linux throughout the course. i'm contacing the course leader asking if he's willing to let us write an article and if he was willing to do some small-scale cooperation too
[21:17] <pleia2> cool :D
[22:10] <knome> mr_pouit, bug #1040902
[22:10] <knome> mr_pouit, if you need more information, kick me (gently)
[22:27] <drc> Just out of curiosity, wht is QT and WINE config launchers required for Xubuntu/XFCE?
[22:27] <drc> s/wht/why/
[22:27] <Unit193> Just so they'll show up in the settings manager, won't be installed or show by default.
[22:28] <drc> ah, thanks
[22:28] <Unit193> Plenty of people use both of those I'd say, so it's be nice if they show up with the rest of the config. :P
[22:53] <SkippersBoss> yep yep yep. virtual box is working. loading alpha 3 now
[23:37] <micahg> ochosi: I think we can manage the indicator gtk2 stack for now, but I hope we can get a gtk3 version of the panel soonish, otherwise, this will be problematic
[23:42] <knome> hey micahg :)
[23:42] <knome> enjoying the holiday?
[23:42] <micahg> yeah, for once I'm not working that much :)
[23:42] <knome> that's awesome
[23:43] <pleia2> no it's not, saying "not working at all" is awesome! (I'll try it some time, maybe)
[23:43] <knome> heh
[23:44] <knome> gah, there's something wrong here
[23:46] <SkippersBoss> pleia2 not working ?? now why can i not believe that. 
[23:46] <pleia2> I spent some time on a beach in puerto rico last year :)
[23:46] <SkippersBoss> We are aware that the opening screen of the 12.1 installer still says 12.04 lts ??
[23:47] <SkippersBoss> /dev/some
[23:47] <pleia2> if it's the same one, I submitted a bug
[23:47]  * pleia2 checks
[23:47] <SkippersBoss> ok
[23:48] <pleia2> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-artwork/+bug/1029128
[23:48] <SkippersBoss> ok ??
[23:48] <SkippersBoss> I was merely asking
[23:48] <pleia2> is that the same?
[23:49] <SkippersBoss> Could very wel be. was in the art-work. alpha iso not been amended :-)
[23:49] <pleia2> ok :) I haven't tried since this bug was fix released
[23:49] <SkippersBoss> Not a major isssue
[23:50] <SkippersBoss> got my alpha of a mirror. so could be an old iso