[02:12] ubuntu 12.04.1 is out so is xubuntu where i lubuntu 12.04.1 [02:13] ny1 here [02:14] oioioioioioi [02:14] ................ [02:15] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/ Doesn't have one. [02:15] Just update your system and you'll be good. [02:22] go to ubuntu.com [02:22] ubuntu 12.04.1 is here [02:22] xubuntu time to ugrade 12.04.1 [02:22] wtf is this [02:24] Lubuntu isn't an LTS, simple as that. [02:25] fuck this shit [02:25] !language | silverghost [02:25] silverghost: Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family-friendly, polite, and professional. [02:40] fuck this community son of a bitch bazhang === kanliot_ is now known as kanliot [05:07] Hi, I'm having trouble with nvidia-settings. I think I've installed the drivers but I am still getting the error suggesting I run nvidia-xconfig (which I've done several times and restarted). Can anyone help me pinpoint the outstanding issue? === Guest83481 is now known as jussi [09:34] hi,my lubuntu could not mount usb [09:35] hi,my lubuntu could not mount usb(fat),but I have choose vfat when configure .config of compiling kernel [09:35] see http://imagebin.org/225688 [09:50] hey guys, what is the equivelant of notify-osd in lubuntu please [09:51] every time I call it the command is not found, but there is a notifying system [09:51] Use notify-send to send them, and notification-daemon as the daemon. [09:54] I'm using notify-send in Lubuntu and I amtold the comamnd isn't found though [09:54] I could install it but was curious what the default is [10:13] iso assembly as isn't planned like ubutnu 12.04.1? [10:14] Lubuntu 12.04 isn't an LTS, so no ISO for that. [10:16] but the general with ubuntu of updating are available through updater? [10:16] yes [10:20] lsb_releaes -a says .1 already (and has for a bit, ssh motd.) [12:21] if I copy lubuntu defaults, slap my own logo on it and decide my own default apps, can i call that my own linux distro [12:21] and use for commerical purposes? [12:22] http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/gpl.html [12:23] yeah assuming it stays open source [12:23] though I don't think redhat is os is it? [12:23] have to pay for it no? [12:25] Ubuntu has complete freedom as well as fredom to sell [12:26] hello =) i'm testing lubuntu. [12:27] xnox: howdy [12:27] how come it doesn't boot into live session by default & then offer to "try lubuntu" or "install lubuntu" using ubiquity greeter, similar to how ubuntu quantal behaves? [12:28] xnox: ive always made the choice using the unetbootin menu [12:29] xnox: maybe its to save space [12:34] hmmm... not sure. cause it will load live session anyway regardless if you choose "try or install" [12:35] well quantal daily live session.... booted into command prompt in the virtual machine [12:39] xnox: tried different vbox settings [12:39] xnox: or the boot option: nomodeset [12:39] xnox: did you MD5 test the ISO you downloaded? [12:39] md5 matches. [12:39] let me try the boot option [12:40] where is tool search for files in lubuntu? ;) [12:41] ahhh... launcher and old-style menus..... [12:41] psichas: you can use: sudo updatedb; locate something [12:42] but damn it's fast =) [12:42] xnox: all boted now? [12:42] ActionParsnip: thanks a lot - nomodeset did the trick [12:42] xnox: its common, also for intel GPUs [12:43] there are theming issues [12:43] tickboxes & radio buttons: have no ticks or dots in them [12:43] also both are square. [12:43] fallout from recent gtk work in ubuntu? [12:44] does anyone know totem well? [12:44] #lubuntu-dev [12:44] totem works all independant of flash-/adobe? [12:45] xnox: are you using quantal? [12:46] ActionParsnip: yes. I develop ubiquity. [12:46] ActionParsnip, i want search files in my /media/USB/ [12:46] ActionParsnip: the slideshow correctly has "mate color" on top and the bottom, and different/lighter "pure white" in the centre. [12:46] psichas: it should search that [12:47] xnox: are you fully updated? [12:47] this does not happen on all the previous "steps"/"pages" [12:47] ActionParsnip: it's today's daily cd [12:47] xnox: i see [12:47] ActionParsnip: it's the installer =) so you always test it in the CD [12:48] xnox: true, I always update ubiquity and gparted before I kick off the installer [12:49] what are the package name for the default lubuntu theme? [12:49] psichas: you can install any gui search app you want, just watch deps if you want to stay light, or use the command: find in a terminal [12:49] psichas: find /media/USB -iname "*.png" [12:50] any good search toool? [12:50] psichas: and so forth [12:50] gui? [12:50] psichas: not used one to be honest, I use locate and find [12:50] psichas: let me see what I can dig up [12:51] !info catfish [12:51] catfish (source: catfish): file search tool that support several different engines. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3.2-2ubuntu1 (precise), package size 30 kB, installed size 312 kB [12:51] pretty light [12:51] http://www.ubuntugeek.com/catfish-file-search-tool-that-support-several-different-engines.html [12:52] ty ActionParsnip ;) [12:52] I think if lxde made itself more visually appealing it could overtake xfce in popularity [12:52] is more lightweight that's for sure [12:54] Speedstick: for sure [12:54] Speedstick: I like the theme, the wallpaper is something I always change [12:57] lubuntu should install search tool in next version :))) [12:57] to search what? [12:57] it requires quite much resources to make indexing search [12:57] FYI [12:57] I mean that the indexing search tool requires resources from your computer [12:58] :) but why installled osmo, and abiword by fefault in live cd :) its are nothing for me :P [12:58] locate + files db is fast but running the updatedb takes a lot [12:58] nothing for you, but something for someone else [12:59] ActionParsnip, find path/somewher/* |grep word [12:59] year? games? its are cool? :D [12:59] bioterror: true, but updatedb will be quicker , if the OS changes very little [12:59] i don;t have time play games but i see alot of games installed by live cd :D [13:00] updatedb will be quicker if you keep computer on around 3am [13:01] about to make my own distro based off lubuntu :) [13:01] I remember when I was a younger boy and my computers hard drive started to keep lots of noise during my nightly beauty sleep ,) [13:01] i deleted abiword becouse it have a lot of bugs :/ and installed libre office like normala human :D [13:01] bioterror: indeed, and noisy cpu fans under heavy load [13:02] psichas, that's what Open systems are all about. freedom! [13:02] Speedstick: Wow, can I download it now?;) [13:02] yup, Live free or die! :D [13:02] Speedstick, I would call it "spin off" [13:02] linux motto :) [13:02] bio i'd call it a fork [13:02] :P [13:03] Speedstick: Do you want me on your dev team or help?;) [13:04] lol nah is personal project [13:04] am using remastersys [13:04] Speedstick: :) [15:43] hi [15:45] hi [15:46] hi [15:48] hi everyone [15:48] quick question [15:48] yes? [15:48] is gigolo just a front end for samba? in other words if i want to access a wireless printer or other pcs on the network [15:49] do i need samba or can i just install gigolo? [15:50] UnleashPC: gigolo is a frontend for gvfs-fuse [15:50] gigolo uses GIO/GVFS [15:50] ok yea i saw that [15:50] so you need a samba client for accessing samba shares [15:50] but is that all i need to network with windows? and or access my wireless printer? [15:52] you need cups aswell [15:52] and the printerdriver for your printer [15:52] but that should do the job then [15:53] if you have gvfs-backends you should be able to use gigolo to mount windows shares i believe. [15:53] why not use pcmanfm? [15:53] well i am trying to decide between gigolo and or just using the system-config-samba [15:54] pcmanfm doesn not have the ability to accept login and passwords for shares [15:54] it can browse as long as there is not password [15:54] ahh...brb...must reboot [15:59] UnleashPC: this is not true [15:59] it is the exact method used by gigolo to tranfer username and password [16:00] hmmm [16:00] so if i access a windows machine, and that machine has a username and password, pcmanfm will prompt me for it? [16:04] UnleashPC: of course [16:05] ok, so i can't leave samba out then, and all i should need for using the network printer then is cups? [16:07] I think so [16:08] ok, i'm trying to stay away from installing anything i don't need. but i do need the setup to be able to connect to windows networks, play nice and print from the network printer [16:08] before you used to have to install samba to get all that working [16:11] can anyone explain the connection with open box and lxde desktop in lubuntu? [16:12] openbox provide the windowing system [16:13] hmm [16:13] lx panel [16:13] lxde laptop [16:13] xfce [16:14] I get confused [16:14] ya [16:15] but I have lxde in lubuntu? [16:17] almost sure I do [16:18] LDXE is a complete environment.. the one used in lubuntu.. the "l" is like LXDE+ubuntu [16:25] aha [16:27] ok , so i only need the built in pcmanfm networking capability and cups for networking printing? [16:27] hmm... shouldnt need pcmanfm [16:28] i havent had to do it since i was using gnome2, but back then, it was a matter of just checking "share printer" in a GUI [16:28] that was ubuntu to ubuntu... making it useable from a windows box took a bit more work with samba [16:29] really i'm just trying to set it up so if someone has a wireless printer then can use it no problem [16:30] as for the networking with windows i used to have to install samba in lubuntu to get it to work [16:30] depends on the printer.. in my network, the printer is on the network, and its added per machine [16:30] the fact that its wireless makes no difference.. the printer is on the network.. usually the GUI just "sees" the network printers and offers to use them [16:31] ok, but if that printer is on a windows network? does samba need to be used? [16:32] UnleashPC: is it?.. its on the "network" correct? its connected via wifi to the network? [16:32] when *anything* connects to it, windows doesnt have anything to do with it in that case [16:33] you can have a windows machine connected to it, using it, and sharing it via windows, but the way that windows box is connected in this scenario is exactly the same way all the other clients can connect [16:33] ya, i just remember a version back , when i setup a lubuntu machine on a windows network, i had to install samba and stuff to get it to be able to access windows shares that had a password [16:33] and it enable me to access the network printer too [16:33] UnleashPC: its not a "windows network" though [16:33] ok [16:34] UnleashPC: it depends on how you want to set it up [16:34] my problem before was that i could browse the network just fine [16:34] if its a network printer, then i would connect it to the network and connect clients to it [16:34] it's gvfs that handles this network from pcmanfm [16:34] otherise, you connect it to a windwos box, or a linux box, or whatever... and then that box is the printserver [16:35] but i couldn't really put anything anywhere because the machine didn't have permission to do so, so they created a user name and password for the network to allow my machine on it, but only samba would set me up as a user on the network [16:35] in other words it let me add a username and password for my lubuntu box [16:35] bioterror: that would be using the linux box as the print server, correct? [16:35] currently i don't believe pcmanfm does that [16:35] UnleashPC: i just plug my printer into the router... either wired or wifi, and clients connect [16:36] are you talking about windows network shares or are we talking about print servers [16:36] then, no one server machine is in charge of the sharing [16:36] s/you/we/ [16:36] :) [16:36] bioterror: i think thats what im trying to determine :) [16:36] well i guess i blur them cuz i was tackling both things at once [16:36] sure, but you dont need both... [16:36] but I've succesfully used printers on windows network with directly connecting thru tcp/ip [16:36] i know accessing windows shares was where i needed samba [16:36] if the goal is to have all machine print to the printer, and its a network printer, then just put it ont the network [16:37] skipped all the server stuff and so on, just picked up the printers ip address and thats it [16:37] like i said i could browse and even get files from , but i couldn't put files anywhere [16:37] UnleashPC: yes, but file sharing has nothing to do with printing [16:38] ok, like i said those two got blurry to me because i was handling both together [16:38] UnleashPC: i would do them seperately.. you can do ssh, samba.. whatever you like for sharing files.. and you can set a windows or linux box up as the print server [16:38] so if its a network with windows shares then i probably need samba [16:38] OR, just put the printer on the network and let each machine just use it [16:38] but for basic wireless printing i shouldn't need anything [16:38] what about cups? [16:39] you shouldnt need to actually look at or worry with cups in that scenario, but you can if you want [16:39] i typically use whatever operating system tools are in place, unless they dont work, and just connect to the network printer [16:39] ok [16:40] cups is one of those tools, but i usually do more damage there personally [16:40] as for windows shares? is samba still the way to go [16:40] or should i just try my luck with the built in networking provided by pcmanfm? [16:40] UnleashPC: samba is the only way linux is allowed to communicate with those windows shares for now AFAIK [16:41] gotcha [16:41] UnleashPC: there are lots of options for fileshareing cross platform [16:41] i tend to make windows read my ssh shares, instead of the other way around [16:41] so for a default install system-config-samba would be a good tool to have? [16:41] along with the smbclient? [16:41] but, i dont have windwos running anymore locally [16:41] samba is needed only if you put up window shares [16:41] otherwise not [16:42] you make the shares on your computer [16:42] why ligthdm show me in the userlist varnish and mysql? [16:42] i'm just trying to setup a machine where if they do attempt to connect to a network of windows machines , they are good to go [16:42] UnleashPC: you can read what you want in samba.. i find it challenging, and i did configure it just to be able to say i could, but it was not easy [16:42] samba is easy [16:42] a lot easier than NFS ;) [16:42] well, im admitting it was all my "fault" :) [16:43] still.. i just make windwos access my ssh shares [16:43] nothing wrong with samba.. i would just expect to read for a bit UnleashPC [16:44] i know quite a few people will try to jump on their existing network that has windows machines on it, and just want the tools/programs needed for that to be install by default [16:44] so i'm trying to get a good idea of whats needed in that situation, [16:44] I've done it before with system-config-samba [16:44] depends on what you want [16:45] like i said, if i give this machine to somebody and they want to network with windows i want what they need to do it already installed [16:47] yeah, but it also depends on their network, and what they want to do [16:48] user permissions..i would expect no monolithic "this pleases everyone" thing.. otherwise, it would likely be included by default [16:49] gotcha [16:50] the trouble i had before wasn't seeing or browsing the network , but when i wanted to machine to be added to the network with its own machine name and password [16:50] thats where pcmanfm fell short [16:51] there is /was no way to set my machine name and password for the network to grant permission [16:51] from what i know, that needed to be done server side [16:51] anyways.. i gotta run [16:51] thanks for the help man [16:51] appreciate it [17:07] having issues with my mic. can someone help? i have searched and tested, but to no avail. [17:08] i have tested the mic with gstreamer-properties. i have set everything in the mixer....3 different ones. i can't get my mic to work correctly. [17:09] is it working at all?>? [17:09] and your using Lubuntu? [17:10] it works in gstreamer-properties, but sadly not in any other app. [17:10] yes, lubuntu 12.04 with the latest versions of software installed. [17:10] i am on an hp dv9005-us [17:14] and i take it when you right click on the volume icon in the menu bar and go to sound settings it doesnt' work [17:14] weird that that is broken on the default installs [17:14] if you install xterm [17:14] opens alsamixer [17:15] then you must have xterm installed [17:15] anyway [17:15] did you make sure you mic was unmuted? [17:15] is there more than one sound card? [17:15] my mic comes up as its own thing [17:15] i had gnome alsa mixer installed and it used to open that. i have also used alsamixergui and xfce4 mixer. [17:15] plain old alsamixer from the terminal will do [17:15] make sure your mics are unmuted [17:16] alsamixer doesn't let me do anything with the mic setting. [17:16] also check for more than i sound card [17:16] sure it does [17:16] if you take a look at alsamixer [17:16] you'll see that f3 is for playback [17:16] f4 is for capture (mic) [17:16] f5 is to show everything [17:17] f6 is to show all your sound devices [17:17] and f1 is the help file [17:17] if you mic has mm at the bottom then its muted [17:17] yes....i know....when i go to capture....move over to mic......press m......nothing happens.....try to increase volume......nothing happens. [17:17] just press m to unmute [17:18] the mm doesn't turn to green 00 [17:18] ? [17:18] no mm. [17:18] so at the bottom of the mic graph what does it look like [17:18] is it green? [17:21] http://www.shareimages.com/image.php?61620-pJqbl5WflZyll6eSl6an-alsamixer.png [17:23] when you hit f6 what do you get? [17:24] i wouldnt trust the labels in there either gld1982ltd [17:24] i have default and HDA Nvidia [17:24] i typically just test tweaking all settings... i would also consider tyring with a live CD like the main ubuntu one, something with pulse... for troubleshooting purposes [17:25] other than going up or down in alsa versions, assuming its not something tricky in a UI where we dont know how to "turn the mic on" (which is likely) i think collecting data and searching around is the best bet [17:26] running in a terminal "aplay -l" and "arecord -l" and searching the forums [17:26] i have tweaked so much and i have gotten it working at some times. i did alsactl store 0 after it worked last time, and it still doesn't work on startup...so i tweaked some more, and don't know how i got it working in the first place. [17:27] i would personally try a live CD running pulse and try installing and using "pavucontrol" [17:27] i have used both alsa only and pulse systems... both have issues and advantages, and i tend to just go with the path of least resistance [17:29] i think before "giving up" i would try a newer alsa version... sometimes i just grab the latest live daily's for that purpose [17:30] im the kind of guy who has more band width than technical expertise, so i tend to just test with live CD's, which are easy to revert from [17:30] http://pastebin.com/xeAunGzA [17:30] bandwidth* [17:31] http://pastebin.com/0bazLQ1c [17:31] aplay -l and arecord -l [17:31] if its a desktop, i wouldnt be afraid of putting a sound card in there too.. i have a stack of them... depending on the intended purpose, a USB headset would be more appropriate for telephony, and an external sound card more appropriate for recording [17:32] laptop [17:32] i'm trying to use the internal mic. [17:32] sure... thats why i gave the "USB" scenario as well [17:33] yup.. but, if when developing a workaround, you end up with something thats cheap, better and "just works"... [17:33] anyways, im sure you *can* get this working... im just also an audio guy, and spend very little time trying to get internal sound cards working [17:34] also, not that im trying to kick you out of here, but this is not "lubuntu specific", so you could try the main support avenues, and maybe get more help.. but likely someone will suggest pulseaudio [17:35] i don't want pulseauio, and what is the proper channel for this issue? [17:35] gld1982ltd: its going to be challening [17:35] pulse is in the main version of ubuntu, so any of those channels you are in, it will be helpful to be running pulse [17:36] holstein: it has been a challenge. isn't pulse heavyweight, or why is it not installed in lubuntu by default? [17:36] also, it literally wouldnt hurt to try it, since it would be nice to know that the hardware is functioning properly, assuming you have not confirmed this [17:37] gld1982ltd: pulse is pulse... is it heavier than without pulse? sure.. do you need it for your card to work? thats what i would test and confirm [17:37] gld1982ltd: i have been told there are several cards that "need" it... im not sure what that means, but i do recal those being nvidia [17:37] ok...i will test it out. [17:37] thanks [17:37] would i install it? sure.. its easy enough to try and remove... what do i suggest? trying it in a live CD [17:38] also, the ALSA versions and the actual kernel verisons can affect the level of hardware support we are discussing, so trying different alsa versions and kernel versions however you feel comfortable doing that is a great troubleshootings step [17:39] without have the hardware in front of me, its hard to say whats best.. i can really only suggest ways to self test and diagnose === LordOfTime is now known as TheLordOfTime [20:11] Hi, I was looking for an easy way to create shortcuts to folders and I read that is not possible, you have to use the terminal, you can not add this item to the menu along with other items? [20:12] sito: well, using the terminal is a way, which means it *is* possible.. you want to edit the menu? [20:14] http://wiki.lxde.org/en/Main_Menu is one reference... i would try alacarte [20:16] if I want to select a dozen folders and create a link to each of these I'm less selecting them with the mouse and then doing create shortcut, but you can not and I do everything with the terminal. [20:16] ok, now I read the wiki [20:17] sito: thats for editing the menu.. what are you trying to do? [20:24] I was looking for an easy way to create links to multiple folders at once. [20:26] i would probably just knock it out in the terminal real quick something like this http://www.noob2geek.com/how-to/how-to-create-hard-and-symbolic-links-in-ubuntu/ [20:27] why isn't lubuntu more popular you guys think? [20:27] Speedstick: its a community project.. there is no "lubuntu" making sure lubuntu is popular [20:28] Speedstick: for a somewhat new, somewhat less visible project, it's pretty popular [20:28] yeah, folks notice and appreciate its slick and sleek look and feel and want its "ubuntu-ness" [20:29] 12 on distrowatch ain't bad [20:30] for something with no commercial entity pushing it... [20:30] wonder how xubuntu got picked up [20:30] that's better than slackware, gentoo, crunchbang, xubuntu, kubuntu, knoppix, redhat [20:30] and uhhhh [20:30] * wxl tries to find a random distro [20:31] MINIX [20:31] yeah, better than minix [20:31] btw does lxde.org load for you guys? [20:31] Speedstick: picked up you mean, recently more popular? i think it was folks wanting something other than unity and gnome3.. something easy and out of the box [20:31] minix being what linus basically hacked to create linux XD [20:32] Speedstick: http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/lxde.org [20:32] if lubuntu were more popular than what it is atm. we would have difficulties to answer to your questions as this channel would be flooded with questions! ;D [20:33] works here, Speedstick albeit a little slow [20:33] lxde.org is always sluggish [20:33] should I tell why [20:33] * wxl didn't realize MINIX is still in development, but that's a discussion for #lubuntu-offtopic, so will say no more on the subject. [20:33] * wxl shrugs [20:34] it's like over 30 hops away from me and located behind a 56k modem connection in taiwan [22:38] oi ubuntu community is a noob i am tellin them lubuntu 12.04 is not a lts release but they make fun of me lol say it is a lts release is 12.04 lts release? [22:38] * silverghost laughs at noob ubuntu community [22:39] * silverghost is the real punk eh