[00:20] <jasoncwarner_> chrisccoulson: I love you...I'm in love with you.
[00:22] <jasoncwarner_> chrisccoulson: anyway I can test this yet? ppa or something?
[01:13] <jasoncwarner_> hey kenvandine I was trying to publish some pics with shotwell (to test webcredentials). it crashed and told me that I can't submit error b/c it wasn't an official app. is that b/c some parts of webcredentials/webapps are still in PPA?
[01:13] <mhall119> mfisch: if you have a game installed that doesn't show as a result for a search of "Game", then please file a bug to have "game" added to it's Keywords field
[01:13] <mhall119> search doesn't work on Categories
[01:13] <mhall119> last I heard anyway
[01:13] <kenvandine> jasoncwarner_, hummm
[01:14] <kenvandine> apt-cache policy shotwell
[01:14] <mhall119> because it wasn't a translatable field, categories are always only in English
[01:14] <jasoncwarner_> kenvandine just got the same crash again in shotwell...feels like I can do it at will by clicking on publish
[01:14] <kenvandine> we need that stacktrace :)
[01:14] <jasoncwarner_> agh! ctrl+alt+t no longer gives me terminal?
[01:14] <jasoncwarner_> what is this? the 80s?
[01:14] <kenvandine> you must have the PPA version though
[01:14] <mhall119> jasoncwarner_: works for me
[01:14] <jasoncwarner_> shotwell:
[01:14] <jasoncwarner_>   Installed: 0.12.3+webaccounts1-0quantal1
[01:14] <jasoncwarner_>   Candidate: 0.12.3+webaccounts1-0quantal1
[01:14] <jasoncwarner_>   Version table:
[01:14] <jasoncwarner_>  *** 0.12.3+webaccounts1-0quantal1 0
[01:14] <jasoncwarner_>         500 http://ppa.launchpad.net/webapps/preview/ubuntu/ quantal/main amd64 Packages
[01:14] <jasoncwarner_>         100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[01:14] <jasoncwarner_>      0.12.3-0ubuntu2 0
[01:14] <jasoncwarner_>         500 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ quantal/main amd64 Packages
[01:14] <kenvandine> sudo apt-get install shotwell/quantal
[01:14] <kenvandine> oh... the version!
[01:15] <kenvandine> sudo apt-get install shotwell/quantal
[01:15] <kenvandine> that will fix it for now
[01:15] <jasoncwarner_> for now? is the wrong version in Q/
[01:15] <jasoncwarner_> ?
[01:15] <kenvandine> and see if you get the same crash
[01:15] <kenvandine> no
[01:15] <kenvandine> the wrong version number is in the PPA
[01:15] <jasoncwarner_> says I have newest version already
[01:16] <kenvandine> sudo apt-get install shotwell=0.12.3-0ubuntu2
[01:16] <jasoncwarner_> says it will be downgraded, that ok?
[01:16] <kenvandine> yeah
[01:16] <kenvandine> downgrading gets you a newer version of the patch :)
[01:16] <jasoncwarner_> oh my :)
[01:17]  * kenvandine needs to think about the least insane way to fix the versioning
[01:17] <jasoncwarner_> blam...crash
[01:17] <kenvandine> awesome!
[01:17] <kenvandine> file that bug!
[01:17] <jasoncwarner_> I would if it would popup a dialog..one sec, checking /var/crash
[01:18] <kenvandine> delete the file in /var/crash
[01:18] <kenvandine> it is from the other version
[01:18] <kenvandine> and do it again
[01:18] <kenvandine> what service are you posting to?
[01:18] <jasoncwarner_> I just cleared my crashes
[01:18] <jasoncwarner_> I don't get that far
[01:18] <jasoncwarner_> just clicking on 'publish' crashes it
[01:18] <kenvandine> oh, interesting
[01:18] <kenvandine> that might not even get to our code then
[01:19] <jasoncwarner_> now says I can't report it b/c it is an obsolete package :/
[01:19] <jasoncwarner_> going to file a bug manually
[01:20] <kenvandine> no... apply the updates
[01:20] <kenvandine> i'd rather get the stacktrace
[01:20] <kenvandine> i can't reproduce that bug
[01:26] <jbicha> robert_ancell: hey could you do a rebuild of compiz in -proposed to build against the new metacity?
[01:28] <jbicha> you could bump the build-depends to >= 2.34.2 too if you like
[01:28] <jasoncwarner_> kenvandine: will do, having LP problems right now reporting bug
[01:28] <kenvandine> jasoncwarner_, fun times :)
[01:28] <jbicha> metacity's not currently installable since g-c-c broke older versions
[01:28] <jasoncwarner_> btw..anyone know where ctrl+alt+t went? is this b/c of gconf transition?
[01:28] <kenvandine> jasoncwarner_, i suspect
[01:29] <kenvandine> seb128 said he wanted to hear about any keybinding issues
[01:29] <kenvandine> i don't even have a working unity right now :)
[01:29] <jbicha> jasoncwarner_: yeah, I tried testing a gsettings override for a custom keybinding but it wasn't working
[01:29] <jasoncwarner_> kenvandine: k, I'll mention it to him as one of his 10,000 pings he'll get tonight :)
[01:29] <kenvandine> i am just lucky xchat-gnome is the window wit focus :)
[01:29] <jbicha> unfortunately the gnome devs dropped the explicit keyboard shortcut for Launch Terminal in 3.4 :(
[01:29] <jasoncwarner_> kenvandine: nice
[01:29] <kenvandine> damn staging ppa!
[01:29] <jasoncwarner_> jbicha: I know, right? we'll get it sorted :)
[01:30] <jbicha> they thought nobody used the shortcut I guess or that terminal shouldn't be special
[01:30] <kenvandine> oh, so maybe that is unrelated
[01:30] <jbicha> we had a gconf override in mutter but that doesn't help now
[01:32] <jbicha> keyboard shortcut overrides are currently being shipped in gsettings-desktop-schemas, I've got a new package pending review to move most of our overrides to one place in ubuntu-default-settings
[01:33] <jbicha> cool thing about gsettings is that we can set multiple values for keyboard shortcuts so ctrl+super+left does the same as super+left
[01:33] <jbicha> but the UI in System Settings>Keyboard at least in 3.4 doesn't expose that ability
[01:36] <kenvandine> ok, purged ppa... bbiab
[01:36] <kenvandine> :-D
[01:36]  * kenvandine crosses fingers
[02:28] <robert_ancell> jbicha, hey, still applicable?
[02:29] <jbicha> robert_ancell: yes
[02:29] <robert_ancell> jbicha, ok, will do
[03:39] <robert_ancell> kenvandine, hey, who did the uoa patch for shotwell?
[03:42] <kenvandine> robert_ancell, amigadave
[03:42] <robert_ancell> kenvandine, it's super complicated to update
[03:43] <kenvandine> ugh
[03:43] <kenvandine> got a new release?
[03:43] <robert_ancell> kenvandine, yeah
[03:43] <kenvandine> amigadave is out until tuesday
[03:43] <robert_ancell> I got 90% of it updated
[03:43] <kenvandine> mardy worked on it too
[03:44] <kenvandine> can you push what you have somewhere and file a bug?
[03:44] <kenvandine> i can get mardy to try to finish it tomorrow
[03:46] <kenvandine> if he doesn't have time i'll take a stab at it
[04:00] <robert_ancell> kenvandine, bug 1041011
[04:00] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1041011 in shotwell "Update to 0.12.90" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1041011
[04:01] <kenvandine> robert_ancell, thanks!
[04:23] <pitti> Bonjour
[04:33] <robert_ancell> jbicha, btw, do you know if pango 1.31.0 is for the GNOME 3.6 release or not?
[04:37] <jbicha> robert_ancell: no
[04:38] <jbicha> I assume it is, but I believe it would need a ffe now :|
[05:05] <robert_ancell> jbicha, https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/1:0.9.8+bzr3319-0ubuntu2
[05:12] <jbicha> robert_ancell: thanks!
[07:18] <chrisccoulson> good morning everyone
[07:20] <mlankhorst> morning
[07:21] <chrisccoulson> hi
[08:03] <jibel> hm, this morning upgrade on Quantal
[08:03] <jibel> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[08:03] <jibel>  gnome-control-center : Breaks: metacity (< 1:2.34.2) but 1:2.34.1-1ubuntu11 is to be installed
[08:05] <jibel>  metacity : Depends: libmetacity-private0a (= 1:2.34.3-3ubuntu1) but it is not going to be installed
[08:12] <seb128> jibel, is that fixed with quantal-proposed compiz's update?
[08:12] <jibel> seb128, let me try
[08:15] <jibel> seb128, yes http://paste.ubuntu.com/1164006/
[08:16] <jibel> it removes libmetacity-private0a
[08:16] <jibel> or rather installs :)
[08:16] <seb128> installing it seems normal
[08:16] <seb128> jibel, yeah, that looks correct
[08:16] <seb128> thanks for verifying
[08:17] <jibel> seb128, is it correct to mark metacity upgrade bugs as dupe of bug 1022756 ?
[08:17] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1022756 in metacity "Update to 2.34.3" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1022756
[08:18] <seb128> jibel, yes, and you can mark it fix released
[08:19] <jibel> done
[08:20] <seb128> jibel, 'ci
[08:20] <jibel> yw
[08:20] <seb128> chrisccoulson, hey
[08:21] <chrisccoulson> uploading firefox from my home connection was almost as fast as doing it from chinstrap!
[08:21] <chrisccoulson> hi seb128, how are you?
[08:21] <seb128> ;-)
[08:21] <pitti> bonjour
[08:21] <seb128> chrisccoulson, I'm good thanks, how are you?
[08:21] <chrisccoulson> seb128, yeah, not too bad thanks. although, my connection is actually slightly less reliable than my old one
[08:21] <seb128> oh :-(
[08:21] <pitti> seb128, jibel: ah, thanks; I get http://paste.ubuntu.com/1163912/ and wondered how to get out of this hole
[08:21] <seb128> chrisccoulson, did you have time to look at the libmessaging-menu tb work?
[08:22] <chrisccoulson> it disconnected a couple of times overnight :(
[08:22] <chrisccoulson> seb128, i'm looking at that this morning ;)
[08:22] <chrisccoulson> (alongside handling the ff/tb releases)
[08:22] <chrisccoulson> bad timing ;)
[08:22] <seb128> pitti, enable proposed (or get compiz moved to quantal) ;-)
[08:22] <seb128> pitti, hey btw, wie gehts?
[08:22] <pitti> seb128: je vais bien beaucoup, merci!
[08:22] <chrisccoulson> hi pitti, how are you?
[08:23] <pitti> j'écris ... more testcases for gvfs
[08:23] <seb128> pitti, c'est vendredi !
[08:23] <chrisccoulson> seb128, i managed to protected video working in flash last night :)
[08:24] <seb128> chrisccoulson, oh, you finally defeated it ;-)
[08:24] <pitti> seb128: j'aime écrire tests au quotidien!
[08:24] <chrisccoulson> seb128, yeah, i've managed to trick flash in to thinking that hal still exists
[08:25] <pitti> seb128: if compiz is ready for quantal, I'm happy to move it
[08:25] <seb128> pitti, did you really learn "quotidien" already or did you cheat with google translator for that one? :p
[08:26] <seb128> pitti, if it builds on all archs it's ready (didn't check yet)
[08:26] <pitti> seb128: no, for that I cheated with dict.leo.org
[08:26] <pitti> seb128: I did; moving
[08:26] <seb128> pitti, ;-)
[08:26] <pitti> seb128: I didn't know vendredi yet either
[08:26] <seb128> chrisccoulson, crap technologies built on ancien crap technologies ... great!
[08:26] <chrisccoulson> seb128, yeah, it sucks
[08:27] <chrisccoulson> but i'm glad i got it working without actually depending on hal ;)
[08:27] <jibel> I filed bug 1040877 yesterday. Anyone know which additional info I could provide to move it forward ?
[08:27] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1040877 in python-qt4 "python-qt4 based apps crash on Quantal" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1040877
[08:27] <pitti> "j'écris plus tests pour gvfs"?
[08:27] <seb128> pitti, hum, I'm not sure if duolingo has a "days of the week" lesson now that you mention it
[08:27] <pitti> seb128: I'm desperately missing a "numbers" lesson as well; but I guess I can learn those from other places
[08:28] <seb128> pitti, if you mean "more tests" it's "plus de tests"
[08:28] <pitti> seb128: ah, of course, merci
[08:29] <seb128> pitti, there is a "numbers" lesson (at least in the german duolingo tree, dunno if they have the same themes for all language though)
[08:29] <seb128> pitti, it's further down the tree so you might not have unblocked it yet
[08:30] <seb128> pitti, look at my or robert_ancell german's lessons tree
[08:30] <pitti> seb128: yes, in the German one, but not in French
[08:30] <pitti> I did look at your's
[08:30] <seb128> oh
[08:30] <seb128> there is one in french
[08:30] <seb128> it's very down though
[08:30] <seb128> well I assume the "1 2 3" icon down there is numbers
[08:31] <pitti> ah, perhaps I didn't look far enough
[08:31] <seb128> it's like at the middle of the list
[08:32]  * pitti restarts i386 retracer, looks like temporary LP error
[08:33] <RAOF> pitti: Have you noticed the duplicate detector going mad recently? I got a gwibber-service crash redirected to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/chromium-browser/+bug/929219 , but the top 4 frames of my gwibber crash were in libdbus, rather than libc.
[08:33] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 929219 in eglibc "chromium-browser, gvfsd-http and others using eglibc crash with SIGSEGV in __nscd_get_mapping() or gethostbyname2_r()" [High,Fix released]
[08:34] <pitti> RAOF: no, I didn't notice
[08:34] <seb128> jibel, that python-qt bug is not nice, would be interesting to see if that still happens if you uninstall the overlay-scrollbars (we had issues with those before)
[08:34] <pitti> RAOF: there might be a bug pattern for it?
[08:35] <seb128> RAOF, somebody might have dupped the master bug for your issue on this one
[08:35] <RAOF> Maybe.
[08:35] <pitti>     <pattern url="https://launchpad.net/bugs/929219">
[08:35] <pitti>         <re key="ProblemType">^Crash</re>
[08:35] <pitti>         <re key="ThreadStacktrace">gethostbyname2_r ?()</re>
[08:35] <pitti>         <re key="Dependencies">libc6 2.15(~pre|-0ubuntu[1-6])</re>
[08:35] <pitti>     </pattern>
[08:35] <pitti> ^ current bug pattern
[08:35] <ubot2`> pitti: Error: Could not parse data returned by Ubuntu: The read operation timed out (https://launchpad.net/bugs/929219)
[08:36] <pitti> RAOF: est-ce votre bug?
[08:37] <RAOF> Hm. *one* of the threads does appear to be in a gethostbyname stack, but that's not the thread that SIGSEGVd
[08:38] <RAOF> Anyway, the backtrace looks a bit like this is the same crash that's affecting gconf-using-mono apps.
[08:38] <RAOF> Ooop. Baby time.
[09:00] <pitti> c'est l'heur du jogging, bbl
[09:00] <seb128> pitti, bon sport!
[09:04] <pitti> meh, of course it just started raining
[09:05] <jibel> seb128, that's it. apps run fine with LIBOVERLAY_SCROLLBAR=0
[09:05] <seb128> jibel, "great" ... thanks for confirming
[09:06] <jibel> seb128, I'll update the report and assign to your team
[09:06] <seb128> ok :-(
[09:06] <seb128> hate qt and hate those scrollbars :p
[09:06] <seb128> can we just drop both and declare the bug fixed? ;-)
[09:30] <jibel> I lost desktop shotcuts and windows operation with the mouse like moving/resizing doesn't work after upgrading to latest compiz. Is it a known issue ?
[09:31] <seb128> jibel, does gsettings set org.gnome.desktop.wm.preferences mouse-button-modifier '<Alt>' fixes it?
[09:32] <seb128> jibel, if it does it's  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/1041105 (GNOME moved the default key for those actions from alt to super)
[09:32] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 1041105 in gsettings-desktop-schemas "Alt-leftclick-dnd does not work anymore" [Low,Confirmed]
[09:32] <jibel> seb128, it fixes the mouse, right
[09:32] <jibel> but not CTRL+ALT+T to open a terminal
[09:32] <seb128> that's another bug
[09:33] <jibel> and I have horrible desktop effects when I restore a window
[09:33] <jibel> and apport-gtk crashes :(
[09:33] <seb128> like an unfolding paper?
[09:39] <jibel> seb128, hm not really unfolding, more like windows are pouring from the launcher into the desktop
[09:41] <jibel> and lost my custom shortcuts, I hate migrations
[09:43] <jibel> pitti, I got bug 1039889 after upgrading to the latest compiz, gnome-settings, g-c-c
[09:43] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1039889 in apport "apport-gtk crashed with configparser.DuplicateOptionError in _read(): While reading from /usr/share/applications/gnome-system-monitor.desktop [line 17]: option 'keywords' in section 'Desktop Entry' already exists" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1039889
[09:50] <seb128> jibel, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/1041119 is the animation bug
[09:50] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 1041119 in compiz "Unminimize animation changed from zoom, should be changed back" [Undecided,New]
[09:51] <seb128> jibel, what keybindings did you loose?
[09:59] <pitti> jibel: merci, je vais regarder
[10:04] <pitti> jibel: ah, that should be fixed in gnome-system-monitor as well, but I'll make apport not crash on it
[11:51] <pitti> chrisccoulson: are you sure that the .gnu_debuglink section needs to have the path of the file? even without pkgbinarymangler it only contains the build id hash file
[11:52] <pitti> that might be a red herring
[11:52] <chrisccoulson> pitti - no, see my second comment
[11:52] <pitti> (it's still broken, though, I'm currently looking why)
[11:52] <chrisccoulson> the issue is just that pkg-create-dbgsym installs the files in to the wrong location
[11:52] <pitti> ah
[11:53] <pitti> I just compared objdump -s -j .gnu_debuglink debian/dhtest1/usr/bin/crash, and they are identical
[11:53] <pitti> oh, I see the problem, right
[11:55] <pitti> hm, so how do I compute that hash directory value
[11:56]  * pitti RTFM http://sourceware.org/gdb/onlinedocs/gdb/Separate-Debug-Files.html
[11:57] <jasoncwarner_> hey Sweetshark I see the lo_menubar is in
[11:57] <jasoncwarner_> and now I have two menu bars ;)
[11:58] <pitti> ah, from the .note.gnu.build-id section
[12:40] <jdstrand> seb128: hi! I am trying to run evolution in a nested X server (xpra to be exact, but same thing with xephyr), but I get 'XServer appears to lack required GLX support'. is there an environment variable I can pass to make evolution use fallback mode (ie, I am assuming that it believes it is running 3D and can actually run under 2D)
[12:41] <seb128> jdstrand, hey, I don't know, it actual uses 3d (they use clutter for animations, which starts being a common practice in GNOME)
[12:41] <seb128> cyphermox, ^ do you know?
[12:42] <jdstrand> seb128: right, I just know upstream has had something called 'gnome-fallback' and was hoping applications would degrade gracefully
[12:42] <seb128> jdstrand, no, they are talking to drop "fallback" because in practice it's not supported
[12:42] <jdstrand> I see
[12:42] <seb128> jdstrand, their "fallback" is basically gnome-panel as a shell
[12:43] <seb128> but it doesn't solve the issue of increase number of components using 3d with nobody working on getting those work in fallback mode
[12:43] <seb128> they are having a discussion about dropping fallback and just using llvmpipe for their fallback mode
[12:43] <seb128> (basically getting back to what we are doing as well)
[12:44] <jdstrand> seb128: would it be possible to use llvm_pipe with a nested X server?
[12:44] <seb128> jdstrand, I don't know, maybe tjaalton or mlankhorst know?
[12:46] <tjaalton> jdstrand: you'd probably want libgl1-mesa-swx11 then, but it didn't build with the current mesa snapshot, so it got dropped at least for now
[12:47] <jdstrand> tjaalton: assuming libgl1-mesa-swx11 starts compiling again, how does one use it with say, xpra
[12:48] <tjaalton> jdstrand: sorry, haven't run that myself
[12:48] <tjaalton> but i guess it's enough if you have it installed
[12:48] <jdstrand> tjaalton: well, any nested xserver really
[12:48] <tjaalton> is this quantal?
[12:48] <jdstrand> tjaalton: yes
[12:48] <tjaalton> if you have a precise install to test on it would be nice to know we actually still need swx11 :)
[12:49] <jdstrand> I have plenty of VMs :)
[12:49] <tjaalton> good :)
[13:04] <mlankhorst> jdstrand: does xephyr work?
[13:05] <mlankhorst> I can get glxinfo showing llvmpipe just fine there
[13:07] <mlankhorst> similar for next though
[13:09] <mlankhorst> xnest*
[13:09]  * mlankhorst will retry on intel
[13:12] <mlankhorst> works just fine for me
[13:58] <xnox> where do we set "gtk-button-images" False?
[13:59] <xnox> I am seeing difference between ubiquity "install-only" and ubiquity "from live session"
[13:59] <desrt> xnox: it's a desktop-wide setting
[13:59] <desrt> it's controlled from gnome-settings-daemon
[13:59] <desrt> presumably in response to a key in dconf
[13:59] <xnox> and if gnome-settings-daemon is not running.... we don't get them
[13:59] <xnox> ?
[13:59] <seb128> we never get them
[13:59] <desrt> if gnome-settings-daemon is not running... you're gonna have a bad time
[13:59] <seb128> it's off by default
[14:00] <seb128> desrt, well; think installer for example
[14:00] <desrt> installer doesn't run g-s-d?
[14:00] <xnox> seb128: live-cd; boot; "Install Ubuntu"; the stock buttons have images
[14:00] <seb128> no in "ubiquity only" mode I think
[14:00] <seb128> xnox, that's a bug
[14:00]  * desrt is familiar with that mode -- it doesn't work very well :)
[14:00] <seb128> ahah
[14:00] <xnox> also I have VirtualBox with 3D enables
[14:00] <desrt> (in fairness, i think i just downloaded a really bad nightly build)
[14:01] <xnox> It loads indicators in the "install-only" mode
[14:01] <xnox> but not in the desktop....
[14:01] <xnox> so no panel & no dash visible =(
[14:01] <xnox> am I suppose to wait for llvmpipe then?
[14:02]  * desrt sure hopes that will land this cycle...
[14:03] <xnox> i need to somehow do my work & be able to test the installer
[14:03] <xnox> and I can't update it from the 'install-only' mode....
[14:04] <xnox> well I will be updating it from the TTY1 for now =/
[14:04] <seb128> xnox, what's the issue? is that icons or something else?
[14:04] <xnox> i am developing ubiquity, so I need to have gnome-terminal and I can't launch it without dash =)
[14:05] <xnox> so I ended up going to tty, copying gnome-terminal.desktop
[14:05] <seb128> go to vt1; DISPLAY=:0 ...
[14:05] <xnox> but then i can't switch between the two winwos.
[14:05] <xnox> hm, ok that whould be better probably
[14:05] <xnox> it's a pain. I usually had four windows open: 3 terminals & ubiquity.
[14:05] <seb128> but yeah, vm issues are known and been addressed
[14:06] <seb128> install gnome-fallback-session, logout, log back in gnome-classic
[14:06] <seb128> work from there?
[14:06] <xnox> "been addressed" as in fix-released and pending on a new daily?
[14:06] <xnox> seb128: let me try that! =)
[14:06] <seb128> xnox, fix commited to compiz,unity trunk
[14:07] <seb128> xnox, like "in their trunk but still need to be tested and rolled out and packaged"
[14:07] <xnox> can I subscribe to that bug? =)
[14:07] <xnox> "please release and make my pain go away"
[14:08] <xnox> valid title, right?! =)))))
[14:09] <cyphermox> seb128: jdstrand: I had no idea evo required GLX
[14:10] <seb128> xnox, https://bugs.launchpad.net/compiz/+bug/1021104
[14:10] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 1021104 in compiz "Severe damage artefacts and flickering when using LLVMpipe" [Critical,Fix committed]
[14:10] <seb128> cyphermox, ok, no worry
[14:10] <cyphermox> seb128: well, I was going to go ask in #evolution
[14:11] <xnox> seb128: why fix-released when it's in proposed, shouldn't it be 'fix committed' in line with SRUs....
[14:12] <xnox> even thought it's not an SRU, but devel release
[14:14] <seb128> xnox, yeah, status might be wrong
[14:39] <desrt> Sweetshark: hey.
[14:39] <desrt> Sweetshark: can you point me at the GMenuModel code for LO?
[14:43] <Sweetshark> desrt: https://gerrit.libreoffice.org/gitweb?p=core.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/feature/unitymenus
[14:43]  * Sweetshark in call
[14:43] <desrt> cheers
[14:48] <dpm> hi pitti. Although Q translations in LP are open and the LP are running, I've been spending less time on translations this cycle and haven't had the chance to look at building the first Q language pack. I'll see if I can do this today or Monday. Just a question: does the same procedure in the langpack-o-matic guide to build stable release langpacks apply to building development release langpacks?
[14:49] <dpm> or is there any particular difference in e.g. doing the upload?
[14:49] <dpm> (I mean full language packs)
[14:54] <jdstrand> seb128: fyi, I was able to get evolution to run in xpra by using a custom xvfb arg. Eg: '/usr/bin/xpra start :3 --no-daemon --no-clipboard --no-pulseaudio --xvfb="Xorg -dpi 96 -nolisten tcp -noreset -logfile ~/.xpra/:3.log -auth ~/.Xauthority -config ~/xorg.conf +extension Composite +extension GLX +extension RANDR +extension RENDER"'
[14:54] <jdstrand> seb128: where ~/xorg.conf is loosely based on /usr/share/doc/xpra/examples/dummy.xorg.conf.gz
[14:55] <jdstrand> in other words, I used xserver-xorg-video-dummy
[14:55] <seb128> jdstrand, oh ok, thanks ... so the +extension arg are the key there I guess
[14:56] <jdstrand> seb128: they are, but you need to have an xserver that supports them. Xvfb does not
[14:56] <jdstrand> I tried the --xvfb="Xvfb ..." but it didn't work
[14:56] <seb128> ok
[14:57]  * jdstrand is curious if it would work in xephyr
[15:05] <soren> Is there any way to figure out which application is sending a particular messages over dbus? In dbus-monitor I can see the sender-id, but it's just some number.
[15:05] <desrt> soren: yup.  pop open d-feet
[15:05] <desrt> soren: look up that number on the left column
[15:05] <desrt> the right will tell you pid, executable, etc
[15:06] <desrt> you could also dig the info out yourself using the commandline
[15:06] <soren> Lovely. Thanks!
[15:06] <soren> How so?
[15:07] <desrt> gdbus call --session --dest org.freedesktop.DBus --object-path / --method org.freedesktop.DBus.GetConnectionUnixProcessID ':1.97'
[15:07] <desrt> like so
[15:07] <desrt> will give you the pid
[15:07] <desrt> then you can do your own snooping from there
[15:10] <pitti> dpm: sorry, was in a meeting
[15:10] <pitti> dpm: yes, it's the same procedure as building fresh -base packs
[15:10] <mvo> pitti: with glatzor away, do you think you could have a look at https://code.launchpad.net/~mvo/aptdaemon/support-for-whitelisted-repositories at some point later :) ?
[15:10] <pitti> dpm: i. e. mkdir quantal
[15:10] <pitti> dpm: but I really need to run now, sorry; TTY on Monday!
[15:10] <pitti> bonne nuit des filles et des garçons!
[15:11] <pitti> mvo: Monday morning ok? I need to run
[15:11] <dpm> pitti, thanks and have a nice WE!
[15:11] <mvo> pitti: sure
[15:11] <mvo> pitti: have a great WE
[15:12] <soren> desrt: Neat. Thanks!
[16:23] <antarus> So notifyOSD...I really want clickable URLs in my bubble notifications
[16:23] <antarus> who do I need to bribe / convince to make this happen? :)
[16:24] <cyphermox> seb128: bug 1038573: could we just not delete the pango.modules file? It's going to be left over cruft though :/
[16:24] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1038573 in pango1.0 "Unreadable messages displayed during Lucid -> Precise upgrade" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1038573
[16:25] <seb128> cyphermox, I guess we could...
[16:25] <cyphermox> ok
[16:25] <seb128> cyphermox, and drop it post precise
[16:25] <cyphermox> right
[16:25] <cyphermox> I'm going to start looking into the fix now
[20:13] <desrt> setting "Key to show the HUD" to Shift+Ctrl+Alt+Super+ScrollLock has no effect
[20:13] <desrt> known bug?
[20:19] <jbicha> desrt: user error?
[20:24] <desrt> jbicha: i intend to set it to a keystroke that i will never ever ever type
[20:25] <jbicha> did you try Backspace?
[20:25] <desrt> as opposed to having it false-trigger once an hour because i happened to use the alt key in a way that it feels belongs to it
[20:25] <desrt> jbicha: ya.  disabled also means that alt is still used
[20:26] <jbicha> that's the bug I believe then
[20:26] <jbicha> Disabled should mean Disabled
[20:26] <desrt> i agree
[20:31] <jbicha> Does that gui option even work?
[20:32] <desrt> seems to do nothing at all
[20:34] <seb128> desrt, you picked the right day,week to try that... ;-)
[20:34] <desrt> seb128: hm?
[20:34] <desrt> it used to work?
[20:35] <seb128> desrt, it was working until yesterday, were we landing the compiz-gsettings port
[20:35] <desrt> ahh
[20:35] <desrt> okay.  i will stop complaining, then :)
[20:35] <seb128> desrt, but tons of stuff and Didier is not sure, I couldn't be picky on such details
[20:35] <seb128> doh
[20:35] <seb128> "where we landed*"
[20:35] <desrt> that's why i wanted to know if it was a known issue
[20:35] <desrt> it seemed too obvious to be accidentally broken
[20:36] <seb128> there are some fallouts from the gsettings migration
[20:36] <seb128> but it mostly went fine, it's a few issues like that
[20:36] <desrt> missing schemas and stuff? :)
[20:36] <seb128> no, none of those ;-)
[20:36]  * desrt will try harder
[20:36] <jbicha> the bugs I've seen so far are bug 1040954 & bug 965921
[20:36] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1040954 in gnome-settings-daemon "Ctrl-Alt-T and custom shortcuts lost in gsettings transition, as of 3.4.2-0ubuntu9" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1040954
[20:36] <seb128> so far it's mostly migration details
[20:36] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 965921 in gnome-control-center "gnome-shell most keyboard shortcuts not working" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/965921
[20:36] <seb128> gnome-shell being crap is nothing new :p
[20:36] <jbicha> oh not that one, bug 1041169
[20:36] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1041169 in compiz "custom keyboard shortcuts not migrated after upgrade to compiz 1:0.9.8+bzr3319-0ubuntu2 (dup-of: 1040954)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1041169
[20:37] <jbicha> seb128: no, no, gnome shell is fixed now :)
[20:37] <seb128> ;-)
[20:37] <desrt> still quite some things using gconf :(
[20:37] <seb128> it's friday, I can troll right? ;-)
[20:37] <seb128> desrt, we got compiz and evolution
[20:37] <seb128> desrt, what is remaining? I didn't check recently
[20:37] <desrt> and gnome-control-center will probably be okay soon too, i guess?
[20:37] <desrt> seb128: tonnes of stuff
[20:38] <seb128> desrt, g-c-c should already be ok?
[20:38] <desrt> rhythmbox, update-notifier, unity, compiz, nautilus-share, nm-gnome, gnome-terminal, ibus, gstreamer-gconf, pulseaudio-gconf, indicators, gksu, gnome-media, ...
[20:38] <desrt> uninstalling libgconf tries to uninstall g-c-c as well
[20:38] <seb128> weird
[20:39] <desrt> probably some vendorpatch weirdness still in there over the keybinding thing
[20:40] <seb128> desrt, oh, hey, not keybinding, but a tiny detail in the soundnua capplet
[20:40] <seb128> will fix that next week
[20:40] <desrt> probably the other end of the pulse-gconf thing
[20:40] <desrt> and devhelp.... lol
[20:41] <seb128> isn't that the first thing you test ported? :p
[20:41] <desrt> first ever app to be ported to gsettings will be the last app to stop using gconf
[20:41]  * desrt needs to smack fpeters
[20:41] <desrt> with a diffstat like this.... http://git.gnome.org/browse/devhelp/commit/?h=gsettings&id=6c58217e5b6f7b8a4803ed5382dbf29c383c2107
[20:41] <desrt> come on!
[20:42] <desrt> i could probably 'unbreak' that migration now that we have gsettings-desktop-schemas
[20:47] <seb128> chrisccoulson, wb
[20:51] <kenvandine> seb128, you should be resting :)
[20:52] <kenvandine> larsu, your tp-indicator diff sure is huge!
[20:52] <seb128> kenvandine, I'm free time hacking (on xchat-gnome :p)
[20:52] <kenvandine> woot
[20:52] <kenvandine> 1313 line diff
[20:52]  * kenvandine wasn't expecting that
[21:13] <chrisccoulson> hmm, i wish i hadn't restarted my machine
[21:13] <chrisccoulson> compiz lost all my settings, my 3g modem stopped working and edge scrolling no longer works
[21:13] <chrisccoulson> happy feature freeze!
[21:14] <robru> yaaaay!
[21:17] <seb128> chrisccoulson, what settings did it loose?
[21:24] <chrisccoulson> it's all the kernels fault!
[21:24] <chrisccoulson> (well, the broken 3g modem and broken touchpad"
[22:41] <jbicha> scrolling all the way up on the sound indicator maxes the volume, scrolling up in System Settings mutes it