| hfsplus | what up homies? | 01:15 |
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| hfsplus | !ops | 01:16 |
| elky | !staff | 01:16 |
| ubottu | Hey Christel, Corey, Dave2, Fuchs, Gary, Martinp23, Myrtti, Pricey, VorTechS, jayne, marienz, nalioth, niko, nhandler, rob, dax, stew, tomaw, I could use a bit of your time :) | 01:16 |
| hfsplus | kline. :) | 01:16 |
| hfsplus | I'm in new hamshire | 01:16 |
| Corey | Hmm? | 01:16 |
| hfsplus | kline! | 01:16 |
| Corey | Hush. | 01:17 |
| Corey | elky: Hi! | 01:17 |
| elky | just makin' sure it was noted ;) | 01:17 |
| elky | also, see -ot for a slightly amusing convo | 01:17 |
| bazhang | may want to keep an eye on silverghost in #ubuntu , he has collected +q in multiple other channels just in the last few minutes or so | 02:45 |
| elky | the fail is strong with this one. | 02:47 |
| elky | orly... * codeM0nK3Y has quit (Quit: boobs) | 05:47 |
| ubottu | ph00rk called the ops in #ubuntu () | 06:21 |
| ubottu | ph00rk called the ops in #ubuntu-offtopic () | 06:24 |
| ubottu | ph00rk called the ops in #ubuntu () | 06:25 |
| ubottu | ph00rk called the ops in #kubuntu () | 06:26 |
| ubottu | ph00rk called the ops in #ubuntu-women () | 06:26 |
| Tm_T | aww | 06:38 |
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| ubottu | FloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mass join (1524 users, 1 overflows, 1525 limit)) | 07:15 |
| ubottu | FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mass join (1522 users, 1 overflows, 1523 limit)) | 07:15 |
| ubottu | FloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mass join (1523 users, 1 overflows, 1524 limit)) | 07:15 |
| bkerensa | uhh | 07:24 |
| bkerensa | elky: I'm not sure what the policy is on offensive nicks but you might wanna look in #ubuntu-women | 07:24 |
| bkerensa | gnight folks | 07:25 |
| elky | You've been asked in numerous places to change that nick. | 09:40 |
| ubottu | FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mass join (1628 users, 2 overflows, 1630 limit)) | 12:37 |
| ubottu | FloodBot2 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mass join (1629 users, 2 overflows, 1631 limit)) | 12:37 |
| ubottu | FloodBot3 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (mass join (1632 users, 4 overflows, 1636 limit)) | 12:37 |
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| bazhang | <cifadam> but than i erased the gnome | 14:12 |
| bazhang | poor gnome | 14:12 |
| groupcat | best thing to happen to a gnome | 14:13 |
| bazhang | heh | 14:13 |
| mneptok | bazhang: if you were a shooting sports enthusiast, and read Internet threads about your hobby, you would have stopped feeling badly for gnomes a long, long time ago. | 14:14 |
| mneptok | http://www.etsy.com/shop/thorssoli | 14:14 |
| bazhang | hehe nice one | 14:14 |
| mneptok | O:) | 14:15 |
| em | I would like ikonia to account for his mishandling of op privileges and apologise to me. | 16:38 |
| Pici | em: Er.. can I get some context here? | 16:40 |
| em | This is -- ostensibly -- the channel for dealing with operator abuse. No one really takes that seriously or believes that any of you do, but this is your chance. | 16:40 |
| em | Pici: quite some long time ago -- I would like this channel to account for the exact length of time so that is part of the record -- I was baned from #ubuntu | 16:41 |
| Pici | So we're here to discuss your ban? | 16:41 |
| em | It was not for anything I did in #ubuntu and I believe this channel will not find any record in its extensive logs of me doing anything inappropriate there. | 16:41 |
| em | Pici: We are here to discuss holding ikonia accountable for his inappropriate ban, the length of time it has been in effect, and to get some explanation and apology from him. | 16:43 |
| Pici | em: From what I can see from my logs, the ban looks justified. He also made a note in late July that he has tried to speak with you on a few occasions to resolve it but you said that you were busy when he contacted you. | 16:44 |
| em | Pici: explain the reason for the ban. | 16:45 |
| Pici | em: It states here that you were sending unsolicited private messages to #ubuntu users asking them to join ##club-ubuntu | 16:45 |
| em | Pici: Well that is ridiculous. | 16:46 |
| em | Pici: what is the basis of that allegation? | 16:46 |
| em | Pici: Who is the person or people I sent these 'unsolicited messages' to? | 16:47 |
| Pici | em: That wasn't mentioned. I'll also add that another op also made a comment on the ban stating something similar. | 16:47 |
| mneptok | em: given your long history, i think it best if you use the !appeals process. one man's opinion. | 16:48 |
| em | I want to know who the person or people were who received the fictional unsolicited messages. | 16:49 |
| em | I want to know how long this ban has been in place also, please. | 16:49 |
| mneptok | em: Feb 4 this year. | 16:49 |
| em | I think it is urgent that the Ubuntu community recognises the damage that people like Ikonia are capable of inflicting upon it. | 16:49 |
| Pici | em: This doesn't have anything to do with ikonia. Other ops have the ability and permissions to remove bans that other ops place. | 16:50 |
| Pici | Just because one person "presses the button" to ban someone doesn't mean that there wasn't a conversation amongst other ops about it beforehand. | 16:51 |
| em | February, March, April, May, June, July, August -- Seven months. Seven months Ive been banned for fictional unsolicited messages that only ever existed ikonia's mind. | 16:51 |
| Tm_T | I would like to note that the lenght of the ban is irrelevant most of the time | 16:52 |
| mneptok | em: bans do not auto-expire. you know this. | 16:52 |
| Tm_T | length too | 16:52 |
| Pici | Again, ikonia was not even the first person to place the comment on the ban regarding your alleged private messages. | 16:52 |
| em | It's a bit relevant to me. Since I was the one baned inappropriately. | 16:52 |
| Pici | I agree that the ban has been in place for a long time, but it seems that you have been contacted at least twice in the meantime to resolve it. | 16:53 |
| Tm_T | em: the ban is in effect as long as it takes to sort it, if you have been refusing to sort it out then I don't know why you are bringing the length to the discussion now | 16:53 |
| Pici | If you'd actually like to resolve the ban, I think that we'd need some time to go through our logs to determine what exactly happened, since, as you said, the ban does not state who you were messaging. | 16:54 |
| em | Truthfully, since I never did anything wrong, and since all of this only existed in ikonia's mind, I think it is just a further injustice that I should have to be here or do anything at all to resolve it. | 16:55 |
| Pici | Well, thats what our appeals process is for. You could have tried to go through that at any time since the ban was placed. | 16:56 |
| mneptok | em: you have a history of trying to recruit people to join #club-ubuntu. now, there's zero tolerance from us and a tendency to believe reports that you're doing this. | 16:57 |
| em | mneptok: I would like to point out -- since this is logged and all -- that what you are saying is not quite accurate. | 16:58 |
| em | mneptok: I have no history of recruiting anyone from #ubuntu | 16:58 |
| Pici | Then throw an 'allegedly' in there somewhere if you choose to think about it like that. | 16:58 |
| mneptok | em: i really, really do not want to dig out my gzipped logs. | 16:58 |
| em | I dont even thing, until now, that Im alleged to have recruited anyone from #ubuntu | 16:59 |
| em | s/thing/think/ | 16:59 |
| mneptok | em: you have invited ME there in PM. | 16:59 |
| em | There was a different channel that was alleged to have been a problem. I'm not worried about that channel. | 16:59 |
| em | mneptok: Well if I ever pmed you, that's entirely different, we have known one another for a long time. You are a good guy :) | 17:00 |
| em | If Im alleged to have pmed friends on Freenode, then I'm guilty of that. | 17:01 |
| mneptok | em: be that as it may ... | 17:01 |
| mneptok | 10:58 < em> mneptok: I have no history of recruiting anyone from #ubuntu | 17:01 |
| mneptok | ^^ false ^^ | 17:01 |
| em | As for people I don't know in #ubuntu -- never. | 17:01 |
| mneptok | i am in #ubuntu. you invited me. your assertion is false. | 17:01 |
| mneptok | em: so let's move away from absolutes. | 17:02 |
| em | mneptok: is #ubuntu the only channel you are in? | 17:02 |
| mneptok | em: i assure you, this line of thinking is not going to reflect well on you at this point. | 17:03 |
| mneptok | em: let's move beyond absolutes like, "i never" and "ikonia is" | 17:03 |
| mneptok | em: by your own admission, you have recruited people from the #ubuntu* namespace in the past. maybe not #u itself. | 17:04 |
| em | Sorry -- because this channel is logged -- I have to be really careful about what I seem to agree with. In normal conversation your last post would be fine but strictly speaking, I have never admitted that. | 17:05 |
| mneptok | 10:59 < em> There was a different channel that was alleged to have been a problem. I'm not worried about that channel. | 17:06 |
| mneptok | maybe i misunderstood that | 17:06 |
| AlanBell | em: do you want to provide support, or ask support questions in #ubuntu? | 17:06 |
| em | I would say there is definitely a history concerning a different channel in the Ubuntu namespace where some things were alleged, and a great deal of confusion and unnecessary drama surrounded that. | 17:06 |
| em | AlanBell: yep. | 17:06 |
| mneptok | em: you are, in effect, asking a bank to not modify their behavior toward you based on what goes on in any one branch office. you steal office supplies from one branch, no one is supposed to be cautious when you enter another. that's just not the way things work. | 17:07 |
| em | But I maintain -- and I believe the logs bear it out -- that as far as #ubuntu goes - I have always understood the purpose of that channel and have not done anything inappropriate there. | 17:07 |
| mneptok | em: see above. this is why you are on a "short leash." your history warrants careful attention to your behavior. | 17:08 |
| em | I think that ikonia also has a history of allegedly damaging the Ubuntu reputation and should reconsider being an op. That should be left to adults like yourselves with fully developed human emotional skills. | 17:08 |
| AlanBell | em, | 17:09 |
| mneptok | em: well, the ad hominem stuff has really put me off. so i'm going to bow out. | 17:09 |
| em | mneptok: this is not ad hominem. Im here to discuss ikonia's misuse of his op privileges. | 17:11 |
| em | mneptok: Correct me if I am wrong but that is the purpose of this channel. | 17:11 |
| Myrtti | you do realise that since anyone of us could remove the ban, it's not really about him? | 17:12 |
| Myrtti | as so many people have already said | 17:12 |
| em | I respect your perspective on that. But my primary concern is not for myself. It is for the Ubuntu Community. | 17:12 |
| em | I understand that one purpose of this channel is for people to come here to ask to be unbanned. That is what ikonia wanted me to do. I find that demeaning. In particular since it concerns his fictional allegations. | 17:13 |
| Pici | Well, he was only following our operator guidelines, so, as we've said, this has nothing to do with him. | 17:14 |
| Pici | If this is about the ban, then thats one thing. If this is some sort of crusade against ikonia, then thats another. | 17:15 |
| Pici | Or perhaps our entire operator process is at odd with what you think it should be. | 17:16 |
| em | I suggest that future allegations be supported with evidence or actual complaints or the ability to say "this is the person it concerns". Otherwise it has the look and feel of someone making a mistake with an axe to grind. | 17:16 |
| em | Seven months is really quite a long time. I thought I could be patient and let it blow over. I dont really enjoy coming here because I dont think there is a good history of people being treated fairly here -- just my opinion. | 17:17 |
| Pici | We normally try to put that sort of information into our ban comments, but sometimes we forget. | 17:18 |
| em | I would also like to point out that ikonia is in ##club-ubuntu and said he was going to play Monopoly with us but so far has been a no show. | 17:19 |
| Pici | I'm afraid theres nothing I can do about that. | 17:20 |
| em | Fair enough. | 17:20 |
| Pici | em: Is there anything else? | 17:24 |
| Pici | em: If you'd actually like to move forward with your ban removal or whatever it is with ikonia, I'm going to have to ask you to put in an email to the IRCC. | 17:25 |
| em | Since this is being broadcast through public logging I would also like to give a shoutout to my friend Anastasius - *clink* - As well as all the good people in the Ubuntu Community beyond IRC -- There are really some great people out there and I have a lot of respect for them. | 17:27 |
| Pici | em: If thats all, I'm going to have to ask you to part the channel. | 17:29 |
| em | Anyone who wants to join us in ##club-ubuntu on the Freeenode IRC network will always be greeted with warm welcome. Be aware though - it is not an official channel and is less restricted than official channels tend to be. By design it is not family friendly but often a source of stimulating chat. | 17:31 |
| em | Pici: Was this resolved then? | 17:32 |
| Pici | 13:25:48 <Pici> em: If you'd actually like to move forward with your ban removal or whatever it is with ikonia, I'm going to have to ask you to put in an email to the IRCC. | 17:32 |
| em | Pici: Okay. | 17:32 |
| Pici | Now you can part. | 17:32 |
| em | Pici: I dont have any desire to 'get ikonia in trouble'. It was just important to me to express myself and air my view on the potential for harm that can be done when people place bans for fictional reasons and keep them in place for seven months. | 17:33 |
| em | Pici: You can surely understand - at some level - how that might irritate a person. | 17:34 |
| Myrtti | well, you've also managed to distroy a lot of the remaining good will by the last few lines you posted here before your kick | 17:34 |
| em | Myrtti: I tried to avoid coming in here for seven months. | 17:35 |
| Myrtti | and you certainly should know where the appeals process is documented | 17:35 |
| Myrtti | and could have addressed the issue via that route | 17:35 |
| Myrtti | so in theory there was no need to come here to use this channel as your soapbox at all | 17:36 |
| em | Myrtti: my preference was to never come in here. I am making the best of it. | 17:37 |
| Myrtti | you're not doing too well. | 17:37 |
| em | Myrtti, Pici so the idea is that I should send an email if I want the baseless ban of seven months to be lifted? | 17:37 |
| Myrtti | if you can formulate an email that lists all the facts, whatever of your own sources or logs you have at hand, and work on the basis of what the IRC guidelines and Code of Conduct(s) and even perhaps other relevant rules and guidelines you find... | 17:39 |
| Myrtti | perhaps then you can make solid enough and easily readable appeal that isn't ... whats the word... | 17:40 |
| Myrtti | appeal that isn't muddled up by the ops team making comments on each sentence you write | 17:40 |
| Pici | Myrtti: Thank you, that is what I was trying to say. | 17:41 |
| em | Myrtti: Please imagine if things were reversed. Imagine that you had quite literally done nothing but use #ubuntu in the 'correct way'. Now imagine that ikonia suddenly bans you because he 'senses something'. Now imagine that you patiently wait seven months to let him or the powers that be resolve that breach of responsibiity. I think after seven months you might possibly be a bit miffed :) | 17:41 |
| Myrtti | em: I wouldn't have waited for seven months to begin with | 17:42 |
| Myrtti | I would have written that email months ago. | 17:42 |
| Myrtti | you haven't. | 17:42 |
| em | No small part of it is that I speculate that ikonia did this, in the way that he did because he explicitly knows I dont want to participate in this channel. I tried to contact him several times personally. | 17:42 |
| Myrtti | we can't help that | 17:42 |
| ikonia | ok - that's just lies | 17:42 |
| em | Indeed he is, himself, by his own choice in ##club-ubuntu where I occasionally talk to him there. I assume he enjoys being there. | 17:42 |
| em | ikonia: oh good I am glad you are here. Could you please explain why I was banned to clear this up? | 17:43 |
| ikonia | you have never contacted me about the ban. and on the occasions I have contacted your - you have informed me you where too busy | 17:43 |
| Pici | This has stopped being the place to discuss either your ban, or ikonia or anything. | 17:43 |
| knome | this isn't going anywhere, please stop | 17:43 |
| ikonia | em: you've had it explained multiple times - this is over | 17:43 |
| em | ikonia: I was busy then. I have tried to contact you in several other neutral channels. | 17:43 |
| Pici | email the IRCC. we're done going back and forth in this channel. | 17:43 |
| ikonia | window 14 | 17:43 |
| ikonia | oops | 17:43 |
| em | Well I hope you will all excuse me. I dont see this getting more productive than it has been since ikonia refuses to transparently and openly account for his decisions. | 17:44 |
| em | Is there anything else I can do for anyone here? | 17:44 |
| Pici | No. | 17:44 |
| Myrtti | as we have told you several times over | 17:45 |
| em | Okay then, I have a policy of not allowing certain channels to idle in my IRC client. So Im going to have to ask you all to leave my list of channels. | 17:45 |
| Myrtti | please find your own way out. | 17:45 |
| em | Take care, and please always remember this is IRC. | 17:45 |
| * mneptok bursts through the floorboards | 17:48 | |
| mneptok | POPCORN! | 17:48 |
| mneptok | and for you, Pici, some glitter. | 17:49 |
| DJones | Maybe not something to celebrate or laugh about | 17:49 |
| Myrtti | Thank you thank you, you've been a wonderful audience | 17:49 |
| Myrtti | please, try the fish, we'll be here all weekend. | 17:49 |
| mneptok | 15 minute buffet break. then Cleo Simpson's Moody Swingers. | 17:52 |
| Myrtti | I'm back to waisting my time in a more productive way | 17:54 |
| knome | how does one "waist" time? can time be "unwaisted" too? | 17:55 |
| Myrtti | waste even | 17:55 |
| Myrtti | anyway, I prefer Assassin's Creed at the moment. | 17:56 |
| mneptok | Myrtti: the first? | 17:56 |
| * mneptok played that for an hour or two ... | 17:57 | |
| Myrtti | Revelations now, I played AC2 a month ago, then we played Brotherhood and now I'm finishing off some of the Xbox360 achievements that fiancé didn't manage on the first try of playing Revelations | 17:57 |
| Myrtti | it's addictive | 17:57 |
| knome | awwh :( | 17:59 |
| * AlanBell returns from food and finds a mess of a scrollback :( | 18:03 | |
| mneptok | and popcorn. and glitter. | 18:04 |
| AlanBell | for the benefit of the log watchers, the above was a textbook example of how not to get a ban resolved. | 18:18 |
| AlanBell | focussing on a reasonable reason to want to regain access to the channel and committing to follow the rules and not repeat problematic behaviour would be more constructive | 18:19 |
| icequeen | hi, can anyone tell me why I'm banned from #ubuntu-women? | 20:53 |
| icequeen | and the #ubuntu support channel? | 20:54 |
| === icequeen is now known as sissyphus | ||
| ubottu | roasted called the ops in #ubuntu-offtopic () | 20:59 |
| sissyphus | !help | 21:00 |
| ubottu | Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience | 21:00 |
| ubottu | k1l_ called the ops in #ubuntu () | 21:01 |
| sissyphus | !help | 21:01 |
| ubottu | Please don't ask to ask a question, simply ask the question (all on ONE line and in the channel, so that others can read and follow it easily). If anyone knows the answer they will most likely reply. :-) See also !patience | 21:01 |
| ubottu | FloodBot1 called the ops in #ubuntu-ops-monitor (repeated abuse from newgmae) | 21:01 |
| sissyphus | Any ops around? | 21:02 |
| bkerensa | Myrtti: your much quicker than I :D | 21:02 |
| Myrtti | I am but can't comment on that particular ban too well | 21:02 |
| sissyphus | last night I got asked to change my nickname so I changed it but today when I logged on I was banned anyway =\ | 21:03 |
| sissyphus | my nick was "omnipotentfaggot" (same as I use around the web) but that was too edgy so I came up with "sissyphus" as a milder alternative just now | 21:06 |
| bkerensa | sissyphus: Although I am not a operator for that channel it would seem like you have a history of issues in that channel and are not welcome there at this time. | 21:06 |
| sissyphus | ok but why the #ubuntu support channel? that's where I go just to ask technical questions | 21:08 |
| sissyphus | I don't know how you could say it's anything but arbitrarily ill-will | 21:11 |
| bkerensa | sissyphus: I do not know why the #ubuntu ban is in place | 21:12 |
| bkerensa | I would suggest sending a e-mail to the IRCC if you have questions about those bans | 21:12 |
| sissyphus | what's the IRCC? | 21:13 |
| bkerensa | Ubuntu IRC Council | 21:13 |
| bkerensa | irc-council@lists.ubuntu.com | 21:13 |
| Myrtti | I'll have a look in the log, hold on | 21:13 |
| bkerensa | k | 21:13 |
| Myrtti | my money is on the fact that you've decided to cycle through different borderline offensive nicknames seemingly just to annoy people and specifically ops | 21:15 |
| AlanBell | oh I did that ban | 21:16 |
| AlanBell | will chat about it later, bit busy now | 21:16 |
| sissyphus | Myrtti- [17:03] <sissyphus> last night I got asked to change my nickname so I changed it but today when I logged on I was banned anyway =\ | 21:17 |
| sissyphus | AlanBell- could you at least unban me from #ubuntu ? that channel is an essential source of technical support | 21:18 |
| mneptok | sissyphus: Ubuntu is a support channel for Ubuntu only. other topics are expressly forbidden. no random chatter. do you understand? | 21:22 |
| sissyphus | Myrtti- all of my nicks are queer-themed. on ubuntu forums I'm queerkhajiit. on the avast! forums I'm omnipotentfaggot | 21:22 |
| AlanBell | sissyphus: ok, I banned you from -women and that ban is staying, I don't want to discuss that one further, we already chatted about that channel privately | 21:23 |
| sissyphus | mneptok - yes, I understand, and have never used that channel for anything but support | 21:23 |
| mneptok | sissyphus: also, names with pejoratives in them are really not welcome. | 21:23 |
| mneptok | sissyphus: do you understand those 2 points? (you said yes to the first) | 21:24 |
| sissyphus | is my current nick alright? | 21:24 |
| mneptok | sissyphus: i see nothing wrong with it. | 21:24 |
| mneptok | !coc > sissyphus | 21:25 |
| ubottu | sissyphus, please see my private message | 21:25 |
| mneptok | !guidelines > sissyphus | 21:25 |
| mneptok | sissyphus: please read those. | 21:25 |
| sissyphus | cool. yes I understand that y'all don't want 'pejoratives' here that's why I changed my nick last night | 21:25 |
| sissyphus | yup I have already read those guidelines | 21:26 |
| mneptok | sissyphus: we will now expect you to follow them, since we know you have read them. | 21:27 |
| mneptok | sissyphus: i have unbanned you from #ubuntu. your ban in #ubuntu-women will have to be sorted out with someone else. | 21:27 |
| AlanBell | sissyphus: you might want to check that your IRC client doesn't automatically select one of the other nicks if you get disconnected or whatever | 21:27 |
| sissyphus | in my opinion I have always been following the guidelines. as far as I know I'm banned from #ubuntu-women based on the rationale that a woman must have a uterus | 21:28 |
| AlanBell | no, it wasn't that | 21:28 |
| sissyphus | i have never said anything rude or antagonizing just tried to be friendly | 21:29 |
| elky | sissyphus, not at all. on the basis that your behaviour across all your visits made people not want to speak there while you were there. | 21:29 |
| maco | (it's not like you'd be the first transgender person in the channel. don't flatter yourself.) | 21:30 |
| sissyphus | maco - I was making reference to elky's comment that I must be "lying" about my gender | 21:30 |
| sissyphus | wop-wop | 21:31 |
| sissyphus | kinda uninteresting though | 21:31 |
| mneptok | sissyphus: if there's nothing else, please /part the channel. | 21:31 |
| sissyphus | I guess I still have no idea what it means that my "behaviour across all your visits made people not want to speak there while you were there." Which seems to be a different tune | 21:33 |
| sissyphus | From accuse me of lying and "appropriating oppressions" etc | 21:37 |
| sissyphus | *accusing | 21:37 |
| AlanBell | sissyphus: quit while you are ahead, you got the unban from #ubuntu, the other one is not going to be lifted | 21:38 |
| sissyphus | forgive me if I don't consider this "being ahead"... | 21:40 |
| sissyphus | i am behind compared to yesterday | 21:41 |
| AlanBell | you are forgiven | 21:41 |
| AlanBell | so there were two issues, one in #ubuntu which you have now successfully resolved, the other was a ban I placed which I will not lift, I don't think there is anything further we can help you with here. Have a great time in our other channels | 21:42 |
| sissyphus | I'd still like to know why I'm banned. that's all. I don't even remember saying anything in the channel yesterday, although I might have | 21:44 |
| sissyphus | the only thing that was brought up to me before I was banned was a) my nickname and b) my "lying" about my gender/sexuality/whatever | 21:47 |
| sissyphus | I thought (a) was resolved when I changed my nickname. So the only standing issue is (b) | 21:47 |
| sissyphus | my interactions in #ubuntu-women have been virtually identical to my interactions in other ubuntu channels, with the sole exception that someone took issue with the words I use to describe myself. so I can only assume that that is the issue, and that's the reason I'm banned | 21:49 |
| AlanBell | (b) is not the issue | 21:49 |
| elky | I told you already why you were banned. | 21:49 |
| AlanBell | you are welcome to have any gender/sexuality/whatever in any of our channels | 21:49 |
| sissyphus | elky: you said I was making people not want to speak, but I've spoken with plenty of people in #ubuntu-women | 21:50 |
| elky | The other day when you were demanding that we let you call us all "gurls". | 21:50 |
| sissyphus | besides one unfortunate instance, all of those interactions have been mutually friendly | 21:50 |
| sissyphus | elky - I don't know if you keep logs of the channel, but you could easily disconfirm you own assertion by checking them. I don't keep logs | 21:51 |
| sissyphus | what I said was anyone who doesn't want to be called a gurl certainly has the right not to be called that, but that that right does not *also* mean no one should be allowed to call *themselves* gurls | 21:52 |
| sissyphus | I apologized when people reacted poorly to my use of the word and promised I wouldn't use it there again. | 21:53 |
| elky | That doesn't oblige us to let you keep hovering around. | 21:53 |
| sissyphus | one of the most popular bands in the UK was the Spice Girls, so clearly women have applied the label to themselves in a positive way | 21:54 |
| * AlanBell likes the spice girls | 21:54 | |
| sissyphus | maybe most people in #ubuntu-women think the Spice Girls and all similar uses of the word "girl" to refer to adult women is stupid and antifeminist, but I didn't know they felt that way before I made the mistake of using that convention | 21:55 |
| sissyphus | There is a third-wave feminist movement that uses another variation on "girl", "grrrrrl" - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riot_grrrl | 21:56 |
| * maco giggles about Riot Prrl | 21:56 | |
| * bkerensa googles | 21:57 | |
| maco | bkerensa: xkcd reference | 21:58 |
| sissyphus | You are free to abhor any use of "girl" or alternative spellings, but you cannot claim either that (a) I insisted that I be able to call "girl" people who did not want that label or (b) that using "girl" is always sexist etc | 21:58 |
| AlanBell | sissyphus: really I don't want to remove you from here too, I am sure you are a nice person, I don't think you have done anything remotely evil, but my decision is final | 21:58 |
| bkerensa | maco: so nothing to do with yarn bombing items? | 21:58 |
| maco | bkerensa: nope | 21:58 |
| maco | bkerensa: http://xkcd.com/343/ | 21:59 |
| sissyphus | AlanBell - why don't you simply repeal your decision? | 21:59 |
| mneptok | sissyphus: you are unbanned from #ubuntu. your #ubuntu-women ban will remain, per AlanBell. that means there is nothing left for you to discuss today. i suggest not asking again for at least a week. the best thing you can do now is just /part this channel. | 21:59 |
| AlanBell | because the decision was correct :) you arguing the point isn't making me feel the slightest bit comfortable about changing my decision | 22:00 |
| mneptok | sissyphus: but it's your shovel. if you want to dig the hole deeper by grating nerves and exhausting patience, good luck to you. | 22:00 |
| sissyphus | what makes you convinced the decision is correct, and not arbitrary? | 22:00 |
| elky | sissyphus, because we get to define our boundaries. You don't get to define them for us. | 22:01 |
| sissyphus | who is "we"? | 22:01 |
| ikonia | FYI: | 22:02 |
| ikonia | I placed the ban on sissyphus in #ubuntu | 22:02 |
| sissyphus | oh ok. how come ikonia? | 22:02 |
| ikonia | it was placed as the nickname was changed from omnipotentfaggot, | 22:02 |
| ikonia | then the nick change back back to it after having the ban removed in #ubuntu-offtopic | 22:03 |
| ikonia | I made it %100 clear to you in pm that nickname was not welcome in the ubuntu channels | 22:03 |
| ikonia | you changed it (thank you) and when you thought I wasn't looking, you changed it back, so you got banned | 22:03 |
| sissyphus | i didn't change it back on purpose, though it might have done so when I logged in | 22:03 |
| ikonia | hopefully now that is cleared up you can move on | 22:04 |
| ikonia | sissyphus: you didn't part, you manually changed it | 22:04 |
| ikonia | so that's why the ban is there, and that's why it's staying | 22:04 |
| ikonia | hopefully you can move on and someone else in the operator team can deal with you now I've clarified the reason. | 22:04 |
| bkerensa | sissyphus: can you please /part the channel now that your questions have been answered. | 22:07 |
| Fuchs | Pici: maybe he manages to behave in #ubuntu-ot, but please keep an eye on, as this user managed to get quiets/bans in other social channels | 23:32 |
| Pici | Fuchs: I missed the scrollback, was watching the apple v. samsung thing | 23:33 |
| Pici | will catch up now. | 23:33 |
| Fuchs | Pici: I didn't see him in #ubuntu-offtopic yet, just aware of defocus and the fedora social channel. It might entirely be that he behaves | 23:33 |
| Fuchs | but then it might not, which is why I am glad that you are awake, I won't be for long | 23:34 |
| Pici | Pff, I won't be on here all night. thats what ldunn is for. | 23:39 |
| ldunn | :O | 23:39 |
| * Fuchs fills coffee into the open ldunn | 23:40 | |
| Fuchs | he is OURS now! Not yours anymore! | 23:40 |
| ldunn | I do actually have to skedaddle for a couple of hours in a bit | 23:40 |
| Fuchs | anyway, I think you just got an idea of what I was talking about. Bai :) | 23:40 |
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