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Davieyhmm, actually.. ubuntu-12.04.1-desktop-i386.iso            17-Aug-2012 22:18  695M00:00
Davieybut the released serial is 20120823.100:00
DavieyThat doesn't seem right00:00
stgraberthat's perfectly right actually00:04
stgraberthe respin was only for amd64 and amd64+mac00:04
stgraberi386 was kept identical00:04
Davieystgraber: hmm, then why does the iso tracker show 23rd? http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/230/builds00:06
stgraberDaviey: because when you build with ARCHES= the scripts copy the previous build in the new directory00:08
Davieyah, yes00:08
Davieywell spotted00:08
stgraberslangasek: hmm, cdimage is really a mess when it comes to archiving older images, .htaccess/HEADER.html are out of date for most products and some weren't even archived (maverick and 10.04.2 though 10.04.3 was archived)00:09
Davieystgraber: i did 10.04.300:10
slangasekstgraber: please use old-releases/kubuntu/releases/lucid/release as a model00:12
Daviey(and i was hulva confused myself)00:12
slangasekbut don't worry about the 10.04.2 cleanup for now00:12
Davieystgraber: are you handling wubi?00:14
stgraberDaviey: what still needs handling?00:15
stgraberthe binary is up to date and the old one moved to old-releases00:15
Davieystgraber: the sums need updating00:17
slangasekstgraber: would you like me to help shuffle the 12.04.0 stuff out of the way on cdimage.u.c?00:17
Daviey(i'm reluctant to fiddle, with other activity ongoing)00:18
stgraberDaviey: fixing00:19
stgraberslangasek: sure. I started with the tricky ones (these that were never archived before ...), we can split the rest00:20
stgraberslangasek: can you take xubuntu, mythbuntu and ubuntu-cloud-live (not even sure whether we need to archive, just saw it in my find)?00:22
stgraberDaviey: wubi.exe checksum fixed00:22
slangasekstgraber: sure thing (oops, I also just did ubuntu itself, fwiw).  best practice is to archive all of the above, and only worry about shoving stuff off of old-releases if IS complains00:22
slangasekstgraber: we probably need to regenerate HEADER.html in each dir... I don't remember offhand the command for that, do you have it handy?00:24
Davieyslangasek: for old-releases?00:25
slangasekDaviey: well, for both old-releases and full00:25
slangasekbecause currently, the HEADER.html lists both sets of images :)00:25
Davieyslangasek: ISTR having to use sed on old-releases.00:26
Davieyah00:26
stgraberslangasek: sure, DIST=precise for-project ubuntu make-web-indices . kubuntu-12.0400:26
slangasekhmm; if powerpc isn't part of the point release, I guess we should keep the old image in full/00:26
stgraberslangasek: you then have to manually modify HEADER.html to replace 12.04.1 by 12.0400:26
slangasekstgraber: ack, thanks00:27
Davieyyeah, that is what i sed'd00:28
jocarterheh00:28
Davieyconfirming, a couple of torrents i tested are functioning now00:29
slangasekstgraber: ubuntu-cloud-live doesn't appear to have a 12.04.1 in the tree, so not moving; xubuntu, mythbuntu, and ubuntu dvd/preinstall/amd64+mac are done00:35
stgraberslangasek: ok, I "think" I moved all the remaining ones. Will do a bit of checking on cdimage now00:35
stgraberslangasek: hmm, we don't have a 12.04.1 of preinstall either00:36
slangasekah er, preinstalled images were also not part of the point release, moving those back00:36
slangasekstgraber: right :)00:36
stgraberskaet: any other weirdness that you found?00:39
* Daviey notes we should probably automate more of this :)00:40
* skaet +1's Daviey's note00:40
slangasekyeah, we should :/00:40
skaetstgraber,  let me take a fresh pass.00:40
slangasekstgraber: preinstall moved back, so I think my part's done00:40
Davieyslangasek: I'm tentatively thinking of making a web crawler to validate the result, regardless.00:40
skaetall links from web site are leading to sane places now as far as I can tell.00:40
slangasekstgraber: NB: I haven't fixed the checksum files for old-releases yet; was planning for us to do that after we push the button00:41
* xnox is boggled by all of this manual handling left and right00:41
xnox=)00:41
stgraberslangasek: ah ok, I did for all of mine00:41
slangasekyeah, we've never automated the point release stuff00:41
slangasekstgraber: if you've got the command, feel free to do it for ubuntu/mythbuntu/xubuntu too then00:42
stgraberslangasek: checksum-directory takes an "old-directory" parameter to just copy them over00:42
stgraberslangasek: ok, will do that now00:42
slangasekoh, of course it does :)00:42
stgraberslangasek: did you already regenerate those on cdimage?00:42
stgraberoh, I guess not if you don't know the command00:43
stgraberslangasek: looks like you at least missed one 12.04 => precise symlink00:43
slangasekmmh yes00:43
stgraberslangasek: right, should be all fixed (both cdimage and old-releases). Ran sync-mirrors too00:48
slangasekthat should be it for nusakan publication then, right?00:48
stgraberyep00:49
slangasekstgraber: btw, have committed the fix now for the correct size limit on quantal images00:57
stgraberslangasek: thanks00:57
Davieyutlemming: still around?01:00
Davieysmoser: are you around?01:01
knomeoh, oh, is it out!01:07
knomeskaet, that would have been 12-04-1-release in the url as i said. :)01:08
knomeskaet, (we simply can't use dots in slugs, WP does not allow those)01:09
skaetknome,01:10
knomeoh, wait01:11
knomewhen you go to that url, the dot is changed to a dash automatially01:11
knome+c01:11
knomehurrah!01:11
skaetslangasek,  can you nudge ubuntu-anounce to publish?01:11
* skaet can't remember if you can, or its go to is.01:12
slangasekskaet: nothing in the queue01:12
slangasekskaet: did you include the magic header?01:12
skaetyup01:12
skaetfirst time didn't01:12
skaetgot rejected.01:12
slangasekok01:12
slangasekhow long ago?01:13
stgraberskaet: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2012-August/000160.html01:13
pleia2I'll get it on fridge within an hour or so (I'm on a train, not reliable enough connection right now)01:13
slangasekok :)01:13
skaetcoolio.   guess I no longer need to do the nudging :D01:13
skaetthanks stgraber, slangasek01:13
slangasekI wonder if that's a deliberate policy change, or a bug introduced somewhere01:14
skaetlet me know if you find out.01:15
jocartercongrats, release team. I bet you're pretty tired by now :)01:20
skaetThanks to stgraber,  for wethering through this *interesting* one in style.01:23
knometired? we've postponed that until the grave01:24
knome:]01:24
skaetThanks Daviey, slangasek for pitching in to get the last bits figure out.01:24
skaetknome.  yes indeed.   late night last night too.01:24
knomei've had one all-nighter and several nearly all-nighters this cycle, and i'm expecting to see more of them01:25
* skaet needs to go send out the note that we're in Feature Freeze now too.01:25
knomegood luck :)01:25
stgraberskaet: oh, good, so my LXC upload was actually before feature freeze then ;)01:26
stgraberI still need to do an edubuntu-live upload tomorrow but that will only affect Edubuntu and fix a pretty big regression by adding a new feature01:26
jocarterknome: hehe01:27
knomejocarter, unexpected nick change >:) is that permanent?01:33
slangasekthe next nick evolution will be 'jokosher'01:34
knomewill we see a jobacon too?01:36
* micahg has some Ubuntu Studio specific featureish uploading to do still, but figures that's ok01:37
micahgI'd actually like to request an FFe for anything in the sponsorship queue before FF assuming it's processed before beta 101:40
* micahg isn't sure if this was brought up yet01:40
jocarterknome: yep, pretty much. I put it off for years because nick changes are hard01:45
jocarterknome: but recently I just decided to take the plunge. I'm 30 now I can't have nicknames that come from linkin park songs anymore :p01:46
knomejocarter, mm-hmm. this is even harder after i tell you that i thought "jo" was a she01:46
knomelike jo-jo, the supernanny!01:46
jocarterslangasek: "jokosher"? over my decomposing body!01:46
ajmitchhah01:46
jocarterknome: no more like Jojo in the beatles song. I've decided to go with characters from Beatles songs as the naming scheme for my children if I ever have any :p01:47
jocarter(so it fits)01:48
knomejocarter, hah. me and my sister are kind of named after beatles stuff too. mother idolized/s paul mccartney, and if her first baby would have been a boy, he would've been pauli. but she got a girl, and my sister is pauliina. i am pasi, because, well... it starts with PA01:49
jocarterheh01:50
knome"and that's not all!"01:51
knomeespecially after her divorce, she's been calling sir paul mccartney our "father"01:52
xnoxjocarter: phhh... I was thinking to add 'xnox' as my middle name, official in the passport and everything01:52
xnoxknome: i also got a male variation of my sisters name01:53
knomexnox, what's the female variation then? dmitra?01:54
xnoxknome: dina (full Diana), dima (full Dmitrij)01:55
jocarterone day I'll just change my name to a random unpronounceable unicode character.01:55
knomexnox, aha! there was one "dimitra" in our childhood playground01:55
knomejocarter, what about ✃01:56
jocarterI guess I'll take a Spock sign. Spock crushes scissors.01:57
knomei don't think that is an unicode character01:57
xnoxknome: watch him get on to the unicode committee01:58
knomethere was one funny athlete in the olympics. he was called "dong dong"01:58
* jocarter adds it to todo list01:58
xnoxknome: have you seen the last names at the 100M men final?!01:59
xnox=)01:59
knomethere are many surnames in finland that are actually first names, but really, same for both?01:59
knomexnox, *last* names? :)01:59
xnoxtouche01:59
knomeoh.01:59
knomehaha01:59
knomewell, that's not too bad.02:00
knomeit's meant "happy" anyway.02:00
xnoxknome: but image "dong dong" & mr. "happy" together =))))02:01
* Daviey afk, nn02:01
knomehah02:01
knomeok, at 5am i'm going to bed too02:06
knomegood night and congrats everybody :)02:06
skaetthanks knome02:12
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cjwatsonslangasek: point-release-snapshot> just drop the -l from the cp calls - they don't matter now that we're just copying dists04:59
slangasekcjwatson: ok.  why are we now only copying dists?  that was news to me04:59
cjwatsonbecause all the pool stuff is retrievable from the librarian, and we're much better now at ensuring that it doesn't get expired05:02
slangasekah, alrighty05:02
cjwatsonand link-farming pool was actually making a fairly serious dent in cocoplum's disk space05:03
slangasektrue05:03
cjwatson9% I think05:04
shadeslayerok, so, whom should I contact if the Kubuntu downloads page needs to be updated?06:02
shadeslayerit's still pointing to the old 12.04 ISO's06:03
slangasekwhich download page do you mean?06:05
shadeslayerthis one http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu06:05
slangasekRiddell, ScottK: ^^06:07
shadeslayerafaik both are away06:08
slangasekyeah; I'm assuming one will be by soon06:12
shadeslayerdoubt it :P06:14
shadeslayerScottK is away on vacation, Riddell went off for the weekend06:14
slangasekok; I don't know who else would be able to help with that, sorry06:15
shadeslayerhm06:16
shadeslayerI could try and dig up the credentials login as admin to kubuntu.org06:16
shadeslayerbut I have no idea if I can even change that06:16
shadeslayerah yes, I haz username/pass06:17
shadeslayerslangasek: yeah, I can edit, thx anyway :P06:25
shadeslayeromap4 armhf link is broken as well06:25
shadeslayerO_O06:36
shadeslayerno Kubuntu DVD's for 12.04? :O06:36
smartboyhwBeen wondering: Should someone also change the topic to say that 12.04.1 being released??/07:51
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xnoxhttp://releases.ubuntu.com/12.04.1/MD5SUMS-metalink is missing, yet present for 10.0411:43
xnoxwubi uses it =)11:43
xnoxDaviey is this something you can fix ^^^^11:44
xnox?11:44
xnoxbug 104114211:44
ubot2`Launchpad bug 1041142 in wubi "http://releases.ubuntu.com/12.04.1/MD5SUMS-metalink HTTP Error 404. Not Found" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/104114211:44
Davieyxnox: I should be able to..11:45
xnoxDaviey: ok. I wasn't sure who can do/does this.11:46
xnoxon 10.04 it also has the GPG signature11:47
xnox=/11:47
Davieyxnox: The issue is, i'm not sure /how/ to do this precisely, so i'm digging through it11:51
LaneyDaviey: publish-release:617 looks likely11:52
DavieyLaney: no, there is a make-metalink command that looks more likely11:56
Daviey:)11:56
Davieyah, that calls that11:56
Laney:)11:57
Laneythis is just the hashes of those files afaict11:57
DavieyLaney: i suspect the antics of last night deleted them by accident11:59
DavieyI don11:59
Daviey't think publish-release would be wise.11:59
LaneyI wasn't around to witness the antics, so no clue11:59
LaneyI'm not suggesting to run the script, but that line demonstrates how to create the file yourself11:59
Laney(it doesn't exist for 12.04 either)12:00
Davieywell, $ make-metalink --help12:00
DavieyUsage: /home/cdimage/bin/make-metalink BASEDIR DIST RELDIR HOST12:00
Daviey e.g.: /home/cdimage/bin/make-metalink /srv/cdimage.ubuntu.com/www/full hardy daily/20080413 cdimage.ubuntu.com12:00
Laneyyou just need to make the MD5SUMS file though12:01
DavieyLaney: hmm, well 12.04 is gone now..but it must have been there at some point12:01
DavieyLaney: would you rather handle this?12:01
Laneyi'm as clueless as you :P12:01
Davieyheh12:02
xnoxwell MD5SUMS is present12:04
xnoxare release & cdimage the same?12:05
xnoxcause the md5sums-metalink is present on the cdimage12:05
xnoxhttp://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/12.04.1/release/12:05
xnoxbut not on the releases12:05
Laneyno12:05
xnoxok.12:06
Laneythere's two trees, one for cdimage and one for releases12:06
Laneys/s$//12:06
Laneyno, s/$/s//12:06
Davieyah!12:07
Davieythat does make life easier12:08
Davieyhmm http://releases.ubuntu.com/precise/12:12
LaneyDaviey: I'll do md5sums *.metalink > MD5SUMS-metalink in the directory and sign it if you want, then you can review and sync-mirrors?12:12
LaneyI am fairly confident that is all we need here12:12
Davieywait12:12
Laneyokey dokey12:12
DavieyLaney: i wanetd to check the sums12:20
DavieySeems we are now good12:27
Davieyxnox: are you able to verify?12:27
xnoxone moment.12:27
DavieyLaney: I'm thinking of making a crawler to check all these bits.12:28
Laneyplease do; any foolproofery would be good12:30
xnoxDaviey: looks good to me. will notify the bug reporter.12:31
Davieythanks12:33
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Davieyslangasek: If i wanted to SRU a standalone NEW package for Precise, (ubuntu-cloud-keyring).. do you consider it to need a tracking bug?14:23
Daviey(or any other ~ubuntu-sru ^)14:23
xnoxskaet: i want to have a chat with you about the installer. Do you have time today? (after release meeting, I guess if that is still going ahead)14:50
skaetxnox,  after the release meeting has a window.   release meeting is going ahead.14:50
xnoxskaet: ok. ping me when you have time. it might take ~30min or more.14:51
skaetxnox,  will do.14:51
xnoxskaet: thanks a lot.14:51
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araskaet, ping15:08
slangasekstgraber: should purging of old images be re-enabled now?15:51
stgraberslangasek: oh, yes, forgot about that, will do it now15:51
stgraberdone15:52
slangasekta15:52
* slangasek blinks at today's desktop CD sizes. What went missing?15:52
stgraberold-releases was also out of sync, ara poked me about it earlier. It's syncing now15:52
slangasekok15:52
skaetstgraber so the 12.04 images there now?   ara was asking.15:53
stgraberskaet: kind of, they're getting there slowly ;)15:53
skaetok15:55
stgraberslangasek: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1164677/ but I guess you did that already15:56
slangasekstgraber: oh, so ubuntu-desktop is missing ;)15:56
slangasekbut in exchange, we got two copies of libmetacity-private15:57
ogra_\o/15:57
ogra_who needs a desktop if he has two WMs15:58
stgraberslangasek: even so, the diff looks weird, that surely can't account for 120MB :)16:00
stgraberso I guess the livefs must be in a pretty bad state to explain that size drop16:00
stgraberhalf-configured/rc/... packages that would show up on manifest but not actually be installed?16:00
slangasekno idea16:02
slangasekhowever, the metacity thing is a package conflict, and could very well explain everything16:03
seb128slangasek, we got the conflict resolved since, maybe it's just a matter of kick a respin?16:13
slangasekcould be16:13
gemacan you guys point me to the documented release process?16:44
gemahttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/BetaProcess <- I found this, but no mention of respins whatsoever, I am not sure if covers also alphas and release processes16:47
gemaor just betas16:47
infinitygema: /ReleaseProcess covers official releases.16:49
gemainfinity: thanks16:49
infinitygema: And I'm not sure what mention you want of respins.  They're not something that's planned, or in the 12-step program, they just happen if they have to happen, and don't if they don't.16:50
gemainfinity: since I have been here, they've always happened16:50
gemainfinity: have you been at any milestone without respins?16:50
infinityIt's sort of like saying "You gave me directions to drive to your house, but didn't mention that I'd need to swerve to avoid the cat crossing the road".16:50
infinitygema: Sure, they usually happen, but it's not something that can be planned.16:51
gemainfinity: you learnt to drive, right? there are rules  you need to follow if you  drive to my home :)16:51
gemainfinity: ack16:51
gemainfinity: I have been asked to suggest changes that I think may help the release process, so I am preparing an email16:52
gemaI will probably send it next week, since Monday is bank holiday in the uk, and I don't want to drop a bomb and run16:52
gemaso to speak16:52
skaetslangasek,  stgraber - I've gone in to nusakan and turned the precise ubuntu dailies back on.17:14
* skaet --> lunch17:14
seb128hey release team17:15
seb128could I get https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-messages/+bug/1040259 acked?17:15
ubot2`Ubuntu bug 1040259 in thunderbird "FFE: libmessaging-menu transitions for quantal" [High,In progress]17:15
seb128not sure what extra infos you might want for it17:15
balloonsany thoughts on when the images might be stabilizing again.. we've had many failures to build over the past 2 days on quantal17:23
ogra_sadly thats pretty normal around freeze dates17:24
ogra_everyone does his last minute uploads ... being in a ruch people make mistakes etc17:25
ogra_*rush17:25
Laneyyesterday's across-the-board build failures were due to problems with the image creation tools themselves, not the archive per se17:27
Laneyand I believe everything affected was rebuilt17:27
balloonsok, I think for instance the ubuntu server images still seem to be old17:27
ogra_yeah, that too17:28
ogra_we had a massive merge of live-build17:28
balloonslubuntu and wubi as well17:28
Laneythat seems weird17:28
Laneylubuntu/xubuntu/studio are known as I said in the meeting17:28
ogra_lubuntu had a dependency issue17:28
ogra_thats resolved now17:29
balloonsyes.. noted Laney :-)17:29
balloonsohh so could they be rebuilt?17:29
Laneythey don't depend on gtk2 indicators any more?17:29
ogra_the dep was dropped from lubuntu-meta17:30
Laneyi see a spin is in progress17:30
ogra_i just tested a handbuilt armhf+ac100 image today17:31
ogra_(lubuntu that is)17:31
Laneylet me try redoing server17:31
balloonsthanks Laney17:32
ogra_balloons, http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/cd-build-logs/ and http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/livefs-build-logs/ might be of interest for you :)17:32
Laneypretty sure he's on the CC list for the spam17:33
balloonsogra_, thanks17:33
balloonsLaney, yes I am :-)17:33
balloonsbut I didn't know about the web archive17:33
Laneyah, tis handy to be aware of17:33
infinitystgraber: ^17:36
stgraberinfinity: thanks!17:36
infinitystgraber: Your library versioning is a bit curious (or, upstream's, I guess?), but the SOVER is sane, so whatever.17:37
balloonsI updated the notice board with a brief note mentioning ff and beta causing lots of unstability.. thanks for the info17:39
ogra_Fri Aug 24 17:40:50 UTC 201217:45
ogra_zlib::uncompress failed, unknown error -317:45
ogra_read_block: failed to read block @0x9b899f817:45
ogra_ubuntu-server just failed again with this17:45
ogra_looks a bit like a chroot issue17:45
infinityWhich build on which host?17:46
ogra_ubuntu-server amd6417:46
infinityErm.17:48
infinityThe livefs build looks successful to me.17:48
ogra_yep17:48
ogra_i think its nusakan17:48
ogra_http://paste.ubuntu.com/1164851/17:48
ogra_thats the end of the log17:49
Laneyhttp://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/cd-build-logs/ubuntu-server/quantal/daily-20120824.log17:49
Laneybut yeah, that17:49
ogra_yeah17:49
ogra_well, i look at .1 :)17:49
ogra_but same error17:49
Laneythat was me respinning to see if it was transient17:49
infinityThat's... Curious.17:50
ogra_how did you respin, the mail should have your name in the subject for a manual build17:50
infinityogra_: SUDO_USER isn't always set. :P17:50
Laneylivefs ones do, not sure about cd17:50
ogra_infinity, evil !!!17:50
LaneyI sudo like a person from the 2010s, so SUDO_USER is definitely set :P17:51
ogra_oh, right, thats two different scripts, i might have to add the SUDO:USER bit to the other one too :)17:51
infinitycdimage@nusakan:~/cdimage/log/ubuntu-server/quantal$ echo $SUDO_USER17:51
infinityadconrad17:51
infinitycdimage@nusakan:~/cdimage/log/ubuntu-server/quantal$ logout17:51
infinityadconrad@nusakan:~$ sudo su - cdimage17:51
infinitycdimage@nusakan:~$ echo $SUDO_USER17:51
infinitycdimage@nusakan:~$17:51
ogra_evil evil evil !17:51
ogra_sudo su ... tsk17:51
infinityOld habits die hard.17:52
ogra_but anway, i'm sure i only added that code snippet to buildlive :)17:52
infinityI had to force myself to "sudo -u cdimage -i", and still only remember it because it's in my history.17:52
ogra_heh17:52
* ogra_ adds to his TODO17:52
infinitysudo su is wildly more intuitive for someone who's been using UNIX for eons.17:53
infinitySince it's basically "no, really, su harder".17:53
ogra_yeah, shows mistrust in sudo :P17:53
infinityReally odd that it only happens for server...17:55
ogra_yep17:55
infinityMaybe check-installable needs a set -x and some going over.17:58
ogra_        for component in main restricted universe multiverse; do17:58
ogra_                packages="$IMAGETOP/$DIST-$fullarch/CD1/dists/$DIST/$component/binary-$arch/Packages.gz"17:58
infinityBut without tracing it, I'd assuming that's coming from the zcat.17:58
infinityWhich makes zero sense.17:58
ogra_that part doesnt get executed on desktop., does it ?17:59
ogra_there wont be a Packages.gz17:59
infinityIt will on anything with a pool, or rather, should do.17:59
ogra_right17:59
infinityAnd desktop has a small pool.17:59
ogra_outside the squashfs ?17:59
ogra_well, likely outside, silly qestion18:00
infinityOh, the check gets skipped on live CDs. :P18:02
ogra_ogra@anubis:~/Devel/branches/nusakan/cdimage-deployment$ grep installability /tmp/daily-live-20120824.log18:02
ogra_ogra@anubis:~/Devel/branches/nusakan/cdimage-deployment$18:02
ogra_yeah18:02
Laneydo we compress with lzma?18:02
ogra_i dont thik we do18:02
Laneyif so, I just googled up http://paste.ubuntu.com/1164863/18:02
ogra_breaks rsyncability i think18:03
ogra_i guess we wont get around a set -x18:04
infinityLaney: We're SUPPOSED to be using gzip, for the reason ogra mentioned, but we may have accidentally switched in the merge.18:04
ogra_yeah18:04
ogra_that might be indeed18:04
infinityWould also account for some of the magical shrinking of the desktop CD...18:04
Laneyoops18:05
ogra_oh, yeah18:05
ogra_though why wouldnt it happen on desktop too ?18:05
Laneyinfinity just said that the check is skipped18:05
ogra_oh, because the whole thing is skipped, indeed18:05
infinityAnyhow, it would be nice to have a newer squashfs-tools on nusakan, but in this case, I'm glad we don't.,18:07
infinityI'll hunt this down and fix it, since Colin has the good sense to go on vacation.18:07
infinitys/has/had/18:07
* infinity fires up the local livefs buildd for great justice and fiddling.18:09
stgraberreally unfortunate that rsync can't work with lzma, seeing that it'd save around 100MB...18:09
infinitystgraber: There's nothing stopping someone from a conceptual port of gzip --rsycnable to lzma and xz.18:10
infinityBut, y'know, spelled correctly.18:10
slangasekright, except for the fact that you stand a good chance of an xz --rsyncable not actually being better than gzip --rsyncable18:10
* ogra_ likes it better with the typo 18:10
infinitystgraber: The idea is easily ported to any compressor, really.18:10
infinityslangasek: Well, if xz performs better than gzip on 4M chunks (and it seems it does), then you just chops your xz streams into 4M chunks and give it a whirl.  Repeat for smaller chunk sizes until you get a nice balance of reduced rsync traffic and not too much archive bloat?  I dunno.18:11
infinityNot that this is me volunteering to even care.18:11
infinityAnd yeah, at the end of the day, you may lose most of that 100MB you gained.18:12
ogra_but but .. you seem to have a plan already !18:12
ogra_:)18:12
infinityEspecially given that modern compressors rely heavily on massive dictionaries, and a naive rsyncable implementation could mean a lot of duplicated dictionary data.18:12
infinitySo, it could take some real thought, actually, to fix THAT part.18:12
infinityMaybe we should all just switch back to .Z18:15
* ogra_ was always scared by capitalized suffixes18:16
slangasekI wonder if there are any scripts to mock up a dpkg/apt environment using an apt-clone file, without having to actually install all the packages18:45
slangasekbug #1040002 is a horror to reproduce the normal way.... I don't even know how many GB of disk I need in a VM to get all those packages installed, but I have an idea how long it would take :P18:49
ubot2`Launchpad bug 1040002 in update-manager "lucid upgrade to precise amd64 universe failed: E:Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/104000218:49
Davieyslangasek: I saw words.. but what i saw was.. "I want to do this in the cloud"18:58
slangasekDaviey: no, I really don't19:07
slangasekI want it to be fast, not take all day for each iteration19:08
slangaseka cloud isn't going to make it notably faster :)19:08
Davieyslangasek: well, looking at the failures.. it seems to happen really qickly https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/Precise/view/Upgrade%20Testing%20Dashboard/job/precise-upgrade-lucid-universe/ARCH=amd64,LTS=lts,PROFILE=universe,label=upgrade-test/buildTimeTrend19:13
slangasekhmm, so it does19:14
slangasekI presume that means jenkins has a snapshot image that it uses, that has all the universe packages pre-installed19:14
slangasek... that also shows that the error has cleared itself, so I guess I don't need to worry about reproducing it anyway19:15
slangasekDaviey: so, thanks ;)19:15
Davieynot quite, cloud 1 legacy 0 .. but i can imagine that as accurate19:16
xnoxinfinity: thanks for accepting sphinxsearch, so maybe now we can deploy geonames-lookup.ubuntu.com with actually packaged & supported software ;-)19:57
popeyseems that System Settings -> Details doesn't reflect the fact that a user system is 12.04.1, but shows 12.04.20:45
popeybug bug 104136920:46
ubot2`Launchpad bug 1041369 in gnome-control-center "System Settings -> Details doesn't match lsb_release -a" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/104136920:46
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xnoxDaviey: yeah, got verification Wubi works against the metalink you created =)22:12
Davieyxnox: super, thanks22:12
xnoxDaviey: thank you ;-)22:13

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