[00:00] <Daviey> hmm, actually.. ubuntu-12.04.1-desktop-i386.iso            17-Aug-2012 22:18  695M
[00:00] <Daviey> but the released serial is 20120823.1
[00:00] <Daviey> That doesn't seem right
[00:04] <stgraber> that's perfectly right actually
[00:04] <stgraber> the respin was only for amd64 and amd64+mac
[00:04] <stgraber> i386 was kept identical
[00:06] <Daviey> stgraber: hmm, then why does the iso tracker show 23rd? http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/230/builds
[00:08] <stgraber> Daviey: because when you build with ARCHES= the scripts copy the previous build in the new directory
[00:08] <Daviey> ah, yes
[00:08] <Daviey> well spotted
[00:09] <stgraber> slangasek: hmm, cdimage is really a mess when it comes to archiving older images, .htaccess/HEADER.html are out of date for most products and some weren't even archived (maverick and 10.04.2 though 10.04.3 was archived)
[00:10] <Daviey> stgraber: i did 10.04.3
[00:12] <slangasek> stgraber: please use old-releases/kubuntu/releases/lucid/release as a model
[00:12] <Daviey> (and i was hulva confused myself)
[00:12] <slangasek> but don't worry about the 10.04.2 cleanup for now
[00:14] <Daviey> stgraber: are you handling wubi?
[00:15] <stgraber> Daviey: what still needs handling?
[00:15] <stgraber> the binary is up to date and the old one moved to old-releases
[00:17] <Daviey> stgraber: the sums need updating
[00:17] <slangasek> stgraber: would you like me to help shuffle the 12.04.0 stuff out of the way on cdimage.u.c?
[00:18] <Daviey> (i'm reluctant to fiddle, with other activity ongoing)
[00:19] <stgraber> Daviey: fixing
[00:20] <stgraber> slangasek: sure. I started with the tricky ones (these that were never archived before ...), we can split the rest
[00:22] <stgraber> slangasek: can you take xubuntu, mythbuntu and ubuntu-cloud-live (not even sure whether we need to archive, just saw it in my find)?
[00:22] <stgraber> Daviey: wubi.exe checksum fixed
[00:22] <slangasek> stgraber: sure thing (oops, I also just did ubuntu itself, fwiw).  best practice is to archive all of the above, and only worry about shoving stuff off of old-releases if IS complains
[00:24] <slangasek> stgraber: we probably need to regenerate HEADER.html in each dir... I don't remember offhand the command for that, do you have it handy?
[00:25] <Daviey> slangasek: for old-releases?
[00:25] <slangasek> Daviey: well, for both old-releases and full
[00:25] <slangasek> because currently, the HEADER.html lists both sets of images :)
[00:26] <Daviey> slangasek: ISTR having to use sed on old-releases.
[00:26] <Daviey> ah
[00:26] <stgraber> slangasek: sure, DIST=precise for-project ubuntu make-web-indices . kubuntu-12.04
[00:26] <slangasek> hmm; if powerpc isn't part of the point release, I guess we should keep the old image in full/
[00:26] <stgraber> slangasek: you then have to manually modify HEADER.html to replace 12.04.1 by 12.04
[00:27] <slangasek> stgraber: ack, thanks
[00:28] <Daviey> yeah, that is what i sed'd
[00:28] <jocarter> heh
[00:29] <Daviey> confirming, a couple of torrents i tested are functioning now
[00:35] <slangasek> stgraber: ubuntu-cloud-live doesn't appear to have a 12.04.1 in the tree, so not moving; xubuntu, mythbuntu, and ubuntu dvd/preinstall/amd64+mac are done
[00:35] <stgraber> slangasek: ok, I "think" I moved all the remaining ones. Will do a bit of checking on cdimage now
[00:36] <stgraber> slangasek: hmm, we don't have a 12.04.1 of preinstall either
[00:36] <slangasek> ah er, preinstalled images were also not part of the point release, moving those back
[00:36] <slangasek> stgraber: right :)
[00:39] <stgraber> skaet: any other weirdness that you found?
[00:40]  * Daviey notes we should probably automate more of this :)
[00:40]  * skaet +1's Daviey's note
[00:40] <slangasek> yeah, we should :/
[00:40] <skaet> stgraber,  let me take a fresh pass.
[00:40] <slangasek> stgraber: preinstall moved back, so I think my part's done
[00:40] <Daviey> slangasek: I'm tentatively thinking of making a web crawler to validate the result, regardless.
[00:40] <skaet> all links from web site are leading to sane places now as far as I can tell.
[00:41] <slangasek> stgraber: NB: I haven't fixed the checksum files for old-releases yet; was planning for us to do that after we push the button
[00:41]  * xnox is boggled by all of this manual handling left and right
[00:41] <xnox> =)
[00:41] <stgraber> slangasek: ah ok, I did for all of mine
[00:41] <slangasek> yeah, we've never automated the point release stuff
[00:42] <slangasek> stgraber: if you've got the command, feel free to do it for ubuntu/mythbuntu/xubuntu too then
[00:42] <stgraber> slangasek: checksum-directory takes an "old-directory" parameter to just copy them over
[00:42] <stgraber> slangasek: ok, will do that now
[00:42] <slangasek> oh, of course it does :)
[00:42] <stgraber> slangasek: did you already regenerate those on cdimage?
[00:43] <stgraber> oh, I guess not if you don't know the command
[00:43] <stgraber> slangasek: looks like you at least missed one 12.04 => precise symlink
[00:43] <slangasek> mmh yes
[00:48] <stgraber> slangasek: right, should be all fixed (both cdimage and old-releases). Ran sync-mirrors too
[00:48] <slangasek> that should be it for nusakan publication then, right?
[00:49] <stgraber> yep
[00:57] <slangasek> stgraber: btw, have committed the fix now for the correct size limit on quantal images
[00:57] <stgraber> slangasek: thanks
[01:00] <Daviey> utlemming: still around?
[01:01] <Daviey> smoser: are you around?
[01:07] <knome> oh, oh, is it out!
[01:08] <knome> skaet, that would have been 12-04-1-release in the url as i said. :)
[01:09] <knome> skaet, (we simply can't use dots in slugs, WP does not allow those)
[01:10] <skaet> knome,
[01:11] <knome> oh, wait
[01:11] <knome> when you go to that url, the dot is changed to a dash automatially
[01:11] <knome> +c
[01:11] <knome> hurrah!
[01:11] <skaet> slangasek,  can you nudge ubuntu-anounce to publish?
[01:12]  * skaet can't remember if you can, or its go to is.
[01:12] <slangasek> skaet: nothing in the queue
[01:12] <slangasek> skaet: did you include the magic header?
[01:12] <skaet> yup
[01:12] <skaet> first time didn't
[01:12] <skaet> got rejected.
[01:12] <slangasek> ok
[01:13] <slangasek> how long ago?
[01:13] <stgraber> skaet: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2012-August/000160.html
[01:13] <pleia2> I'll get it on fridge within an hour or so (I'm on a train, not reliable enough connection right now)
[01:13] <slangasek> ok :)
[01:13] <skaet> coolio.   guess I no longer need to do the nudging :D
[01:13] <skaet> thanks stgraber, slangasek
[01:14] <slangasek> I wonder if that's a deliberate policy change, or a bug introduced somewhere
[01:15] <skaet> let me know if you find out.
[01:20] <jocarter> congrats, release team. I bet you're pretty tired by now :)
[01:23] <skaet> Thanks to stgraber,  for wethering through this *interesting* one in style.
[01:24] <knome> tired? we've postponed that until the grave
[01:24] <knome> :]
[01:24] <skaet> Thanks Daviey, slangasek for pitching in to get the last bits figure out.
[01:24] <skaet> knome.  yes indeed.   late night last night too.
[01:25] <knome> i've had one all-nighter and several nearly all-nighters this cycle, and i'm expecting to see more of them
[01:25]  * skaet needs to go send out the note that we're in Feature Freeze now too.
[01:25] <knome> good luck :)
[01:26] <stgraber> skaet: oh, good, so my LXC upload was actually before feature freeze then ;)
[01:26] <stgraber> I still need to do an edubuntu-live upload tomorrow but that will only affect Edubuntu and fix a pretty big regression by adding a new feature
[01:27] <jocarter> knome: hehe
[01:33] <knome> jocarter, unexpected nick change >:) is that permanent?
[01:34] <slangasek> the next nick evolution will be 'jokosher'
[01:36] <knome> will we see a jobacon too?
[01:37]  * micahg has some Ubuntu Studio specific featureish uploading to do still, but figures that's ok
[01:40] <micahg> I'd actually like to request an FFe for anything in the sponsorship queue before FF assuming it's processed before beta 1
[01:40]  * micahg isn't sure if this was brought up yet
[01:45] <jocarter> knome: yep, pretty much. I put it off for years because nick changes are hard
[01:46] <jocarter> knome: but recently I just decided to take the plunge. I'm 30 now I can't have nicknames that come from linkin park songs anymore :p
[01:46] <knome> jocarter, mm-hmm. this is even harder after i tell you that i thought "jo" was a she
[01:46] <knome> like jo-jo, the supernanny!
[01:46] <jocarter> slangasek: "jokosher"? over my decomposing body!
[01:46] <ajmitch> hah
[01:47] <jocarter> knome: no more like Jojo in the beatles song. I've decided to go with characters from Beatles songs as the naming scheme for my children if I ever have any :p
[01:48] <jocarter> (so it fits)
[01:49] <knome> jocarter, hah. me and my sister are kind of named after beatles stuff too. mother idolized/s paul mccartney, and if her first baby would have been a boy, he would've been pauli. but she got a girl, and my sister is pauliina. i am pasi, because, well... it starts with PA
[01:50] <jocarter> heh
[01:51] <knome> "and that's not all!"
[01:52] <knome> especially after her divorce, she's been calling sir paul mccartney our "father"
[01:52] <xnox> jocarter: phhh... I was thinking to add 'xnox' as my middle name, official in the passport and everything
[01:53] <xnox> knome: i also got a male variation of my sisters name
[01:54] <knome> xnox, what's the female variation then? dmitra?
[01:55] <xnox> knome: dina (full Diana), dima (full Dmitrij)
[01:55] <jocarter> one day I'll just change my name to a random unpronounceable unicode character.
[01:55] <knome> xnox, aha! there was one "dimitra" in our childhood playground
[01:56] <knome> jocarter, what about ✃
[01:57] <jocarter> I guess I'll take a Spock sign. Spock crushes scissors.
[01:57] <knome> i don't think that is an unicode character
[01:58] <xnox> knome: watch him get on to the unicode committee
[01:58] <knome> there was one funny athlete in the olympics. he was called "dong dong"
[01:58]  * jocarter adds it to todo list
[01:59] <xnox> knome: have you seen the last names at the 100M men final?!
[01:59] <xnox> =)
[01:59] <knome> there are many surnames in finland that are actually first names, but really, same for both?
[01:59] <knome> xnox, *last* names? :)
[01:59] <xnox> touche
[01:59] <knome> oh.
[01:59] <knome> haha
[02:00] <knome> well, that's not too bad.
[02:00] <knome> it's meant "happy" anyway.
[02:01] <xnox> knome: but image "dong dong" & mr. "happy" together =))))
[02:01]  * Daviey afk, nn
[02:01] <knome> hah
[02:06] <knome> ok, at 5am i'm going to bed too
[02:06] <knome> good night and congrats everybody :)
[02:12] <skaet> thanks knome
[04:59] <cjwatson> slangasek: point-release-snapshot> just drop the -l from the cp calls - they don't matter now that we're just copying dists
[04:59] <slangasek> cjwatson: ok.  why are we now only copying dists?  that was news to me
[05:02] <cjwatson> because all the pool stuff is retrievable from the librarian, and we're much better now at ensuring that it doesn't get expired
[05:02] <slangasek> ah, alrighty
[05:03] <cjwatson> and link-farming pool was actually making a fairly serious dent in cocoplum's disk space
[05:03] <slangasek> true
[05:04] <cjwatson> 9% I think
[06:02] <shadeslayer> ok, so, whom should I contact if the Kubuntu downloads page needs to be updated?
[06:03] <shadeslayer> it's still pointing to the old 12.04 ISO's
[06:05] <slangasek> which download page do you mean?
[06:05] <shadeslayer> this one http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu
[06:07] <slangasek> Riddell, ScottK: ^^
[06:08] <shadeslayer> afaik both are away
[06:12] <slangasek> yeah; I'm assuming one will be by soon
[06:14] <shadeslayer> doubt it :P
[06:14] <shadeslayer> ScottK is away on vacation, Riddell went off for the weekend
[06:15] <slangasek> ok; I don't know who else would be able to help with that, sorry
[06:16] <shadeslayer> hm
[06:16] <shadeslayer> I could try and dig up the credentials login as admin to kubuntu.org
[06:16] <shadeslayer> but I have no idea if I can even change that
[06:17] <shadeslayer> ah yes, I haz username/pass
[06:25] <shadeslayer> slangasek: yeah, I can edit, thx anyway :P
[06:25] <shadeslayer> omap4 armhf link is broken as well
[06:36] <shadeslayer> O_O
[06:36] <shadeslayer> no Kubuntu DVD's for 12.04? :O
[07:51] <smartboyhw> Been wondering: Should someone also change the topic to say that 12.04.1 being released??/
[11:43] <xnox> http://releases.ubuntu.com/12.04.1/MD5SUMS-metalink is missing, yet present for 10.04
[11:43] <xnox> wubi uses it =)
[11:44] <xnox> Daviey is this something you can fix ^^^^
[11:44] <xnox> ?
[11:44] <xnox> bug 1041142
[11:44] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1041142 in wubi "http://releases.ubuntu.com/12.04.1/MD5SUMS-metalink HTTP Error 404. Not Found" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1041142
[11:45] <Daviey> xnox: I should be able to..
[11:46] <xnox> Daviey: ok. I wasn't sure who can do/does this.
[11:47] <xnox> on 10.04 it also has the GPG signature
[11:47] <xnox> =/
[11:51] <Daviey> xnox: The issue is, i'm not sure /how/ to do this precisely, so i'm digging through it
[11:52] <Laney> Daviey: publish-release:617 looks likely
[11:56] <Daviey> Laney: no, there is a make-metalink command that looks more likely
[11:56] <Daviey> :)
[11:56] <Daviey> ah, that calls that
[11:57] <Laney> :)
[11:57] <Laney> this is just the hashes of those files afaict
[11:59] <Daviey> Laney: i suspect the antics of last night deleted them by accident
[11:59] <Daviey> I don
[11:59] <Daviey> 't think publish-release would be wise.
[11:59] <Laney> I wasn't around to witness the antics, so no clue
[11:59] <Laney> I'm not suggesting to run the script, but that line demonstrates how to create the file yourself
[12:00] <Laney> (it doesn't exist for 12.04 either)
[12:00] <Daviey> well, $ make-metalink --help
[12:00] <Daviey> Usage: /home/cdimage/bin/make-metalink BASEDIR DIST RELDIR HOST
[12:00] <Daviey>  e.g.: /home/cdimage/bin/make-metalink /srv/cdimage.ubuntu.com/www/full hardy daily/20080413 cdimage.ubuntu.com
[12:01] <Laney> you just need to make the MD5SUMS file though
[12:01] <Daviey> Laney: hmm, well 12.04 is gone now..but it must have been there at some point
[12:01] <Daviey> Laney: would you rather handle this?
[12:01] <Laney> i'm as clueless as you :P
[12:02] <Daviey> heh
[12:04] <xnox> well MD5SUMS is present
[12:05] <xnox> are release & cdimage the same?
[12:05] <xnox> cause the md5sums-metalink is present on the cdimage
[12:05] <xnox> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/12.04.1/release/
[12:05] <xnox> but not on the releases
[12:05] <Laney> no
[12:06] <xnox> ok.
[12:06] <Laney> there's two trees, one for cdimage and one for releases
[12:06] <Laney> s/s$//
[12:06] <Laney> no, s/$/s//
[12:07] <Daviey> ah!
[12:08] <Daviey> that does make life easier
[12:12] <Daviey> hmm http://releases.ubuntu.com/precise/
[12:12] <Laney> Daviey: I'll do md5sums *.metalink > MD5SUMS-metalink in the directory and sign it if you want, then you can review and sync-mirrors?
[12:12] <Laney> I am fairly confident that is all we need here
[12:12] <Daviey> wait
[12:12] <Laney> okey dokey
[12:20] <Daviey> Laney: i wanetd to check the sums
[12:27] <Daviey> Seems we are now good
[12:27] <Daviey> xnox: are you able to verify?
[12:27] <xnox> one moment.
[12:28] <Daviey> Laney: I'm thinking of making a crawler to check all these bits.
[12:30] <Laney> please do; any foolproofery would be good
[12:31] <xnox> Daviey: looks good to me. will notify the bug reporter.
[12:33] <Daviey> thanks
[14:23] <Daviey> slangasek: If i wanted to SRU a standalone NEW package for Precise, (ubuntu-cloud-keyring).. do you consider it to need a tracking bug?
[14:23] <Daviey> (or any other ~ubuntu-sru ^)
[14:50] <xnox> skaet: i want to have a chat with you about the installer. Do you have time today? (after release meeting, I guess if that is still going ahead)
[14:50] <skaet> xnox,  after the release meeting has a window.   release meeting is going ahead.
[14:51] <xnox> skaet: ok. ping me when you have time. it might take ~30min or more.
[14:51] <skaet> xnox,  will do.
[14:51] <xnox> skaet: thanks a lot.
[15:08] <ara> skaet, ping
[15:51] <slangasek> stgraber: should purging of old images be re-enabled now?
[15:51] <stgraber> slangasek: oh, yes, forgot about that, will do it now
[15:52] <stgraber> done
[15:52] <slangasek> ta
[15:52]  * slangasek blinks at today's desktop CD sizes.  What went missing?
[15:52] <stgraber> old-releases was also out of sync, ara poked me about it earlier. It's syncing now
[15:52] <slangasek> ok
[15:53] <skaet> stgraber so the 12.04 images there now?   ara was asking.
[15:53] <stgraber> skaet: kind of, they're getting there slowly ;)
[15:55] <skaet> ok
[15:56] <stgraber> slangasek: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1164677/ but I guess you did that already
[15:56] <slangasek> stgraber: oh, so ubuntu-desktop is missing ;)
[15:57] <slangasek> but in exchange, we got two copies of libmetacity-private
[15:57] <ogra_> \o/
[15:58] <ogra_> who needs a desktop if he has two WMs
[16:00] <stgraber> slangasek: even so, the diff looks weird, that surely can't account for 120MB :)
[16:00] <stgraber> so I guess the livefs must be in a pretty bad state to explain that size drop
[16:00] <stgraber> half-configured/rc/... packages that would show up on manifest but not actually be installed?
[16:02] <slangasek> no idea
[16:03] <slangasek> however, the metacity thing is a package conflict, and could very well explain everything
[16:13] <seb128> slangasek, we got the conflict resolved since, maybe it's just a matter of kick a respin?
[16:13] <slangasek> could be
[16:44] <gema> can you guys point me to the documented release process?
[16:47] <gema> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BetaProcess <- I found this, but no mention of respins whatsoever, I am not sure if covers also alphas and release processes
[16:47] <gema> or just betas
[16:49] <infinity> gema: /ReleaseProcess covers official releases.
[16:49] <gema> infinity: thanks
[16:50] <infinity> gema: And I'm not sure what mention you want of respins.  They're not something that's planned, or in the 12-step program, they just happen if they have to happen, and don't if they don't.
[16:50] <gema> infinity: since I have been here, they've always happened
[16:50] <gema> infinity: have you been at any milestone without respins?
[16:50] <infinity> It's sort of like saying "You gave me directions to drive to your house, but didn't mention that I'd need to swerve to avoid the cat crossing the road".
[16:51] <infinity> gema: Sure, they usually happen, but it's not something that can be planned.
[16:51] <gema> infinity: you learnt to drive, right? there are rules  you need to follow if you  drive to my home :)
[16:51] <gema> infinity: ack
[16:52] <gema> infinity: I have been asked to suggest changes that I think may help the release process, so I am preparing an email
[16:52] <gema> I will probably send it next week, since Monday is bank holiday in the uk, and I don't want to drop a bomb and run
[16:52] <gema> so to speak
[17:14] <skaet> slangasek,  stgraber - I've gone in to nusakan and turned the precise ubuntu dailies back on.
[17:14]  * skaet --> lunch
[17:15] <seb128> hey release team
[17:15] <seb128> could I get https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-messages/+bug/1040259 acked?
[17:15] <ubot2`> Ubuntu bug 1040259 in thunderbird "FFE: libmessaging-menu transitions for quantal" [High,In progress]
[17:15] <seb128> not sure what extra infos you might want for it
[17:23] <balloons> any thoughts on when the images might be stabilizing again.. we've had many failures to build over the past 2 days on quantal
[17:24] <ogra_> sadly thats pretty normal around freeze dates
[17:25] <ogra_> everyone does his last minute uploads ... being in a ruch people make mistakes etc
[17:25] <ogra_> *rush
[17:27] <Laney> yesterday's across-the-board build failures were due to problems with the image creation tools themselves, not the archive per se
[17:27] <Laney> and I believe everything affected was rebuilt
[17:27] <balloons> ok, I think for instance the ubuntu server images still seem to be old
[17:28] <ogra_> yeah, that too
[17:28] <ogra_> we had a massive merge of live-build
[17:28] <balloons> lubuntu and wubi as well
[17:28] <Laney> that seems weird
[17:28] <Laney> lubuntu/xubuntu/studio are known as I said in the meeting
[17:28] <ogra_> lubuntu had a dependency issue
[17:29] <ogra_> thats resolved now
[17:29] <balloons> yes.. noted Laney :-)
[17:29] <balloons> ohh so could they be rebuilt?
[17:29] <Laney> they don't depend on gtk2 indicators any more?
[17:30] <ogra_> the dep was dropped from lubuntu-meta
[17:30] <Laney> i see a spin is in progress
[17:31] <ogra_> i just tested a handbuilt armhf+ac100 image today
[17:31] <ogra_> (lubuntu that is)
[17:31] <Laney> let me try redoing server
[17:32] <balloons> thanks Laney
[17:32] <ogra_> balloons, http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/cd-build-logs/ and http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/livefs-build-logs/ might be of interest for you :)
[17:33] <Laney> pretty sure he's on the CC list for the spam
[17:33] <balloons> ogra_, thanks
[17:33] <balloons> Laney, yes I am :-)
[17:33] <balloons> but I didn't know about the web archive
[17:33] <Laney> ah, tis handy to be aware of
[17:36] <infinity> stgraber: ^
[17:36] <stgraber> infinity: thanks!
[17:37] <infinity> stgraber: Your library versioning is a bit curious (or, upstream's, I guess?), but the SOVER is sane, so whatever.
[17:39] <balloons> I updated the notice board with a brief note mentioning ff and beta causing lots of unstability.. thanks for the info
[17:45] <ogra_> Fri Aug 24 17:40:50 UTC 2012
[17:45] <ogra_> zlib::uncompress failed, unknown error -3
[17:45] <ogra_> read_block: failed to read block @0x9b899f8
[17:45] <ogra_> ubuntu-server just failed again with this
[17:45] <ogra_> looks a bit like a chroot issue
[17:46] <infinity> Which build on which host?
[17:46] <ogra_> ubuntu-server amd64
[17:48] <infinity> Erm.
[17:48] <infinity> The livefs build looks successful to me.
[17:48] <ogra_> yep
[17:48] <ogra_> i think its nusakan
[17:48] <ogra_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1164851/
[17:49] <ogra_> thats the end of the log
[17:49] <Laney> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/cd-build-logs/ubuntu-server/quantal/daily-20120824.log
[17:49] <Laney> but yeah, that
[17:49] <ogra_> yeah
[17:49] <ogra_> well, i look at .1 :)
[17:49] <ogra_> but same error
[17:49] <Laney> that was me respinning to see if it was transient
[17:50] <infinity> That's... Curious.
[17:50] <ogra_> how did you respin, the mail should have your name in the subject for a manual build
[17:50] <infinity> ogra_: SUDO_USER isn't always set. :P
[17:50] <Laney> livefs ones do, not sure about cd
[17:50] <ogra_> infinity, evil !!!
[17:51] <Laney> I sudo like a person from the 2010s, so SUDO_USER is definitely set :P
[17:51] <ogra_> oh, right, thats two different scripts, i might have to add the SUDO:USER bit to the other one too :)
[17:51] <infinity> cdimage@nusakan:~/cdimage/log/ubuntu-server/quantal$ echo $SUDO_USER
[17:51] <infinity> adconrad
[17:51] <infinity> cdimage@nusakan:~/cdimage/log/ubuntu-server/quantal$ logout
[17:51] <infinity> adconrad@nusakan:~$ sudo su - cdimage
[17:51] <infinity> cdimage@nusakan:~$ echo $SUDO_USER
[17:51] <infinity> cdimage@nusakan:~$
[17:51] <ogra_> evil evil evil !
[17:51] <ogra_> sudo su ... tsk
[17:52] <infinity> Old habits die hard.
[17:52] <ogra_> but anway, i'm sure i only added that code snippet to buildlive :)
[17:52] <infinity> I had to force myself to "sudo -u cdimage -i", and still only remember it because it's in my history.
[17:52] <ogra_> heh
[17:52]  * ogra_ adds to his TODO
[17:53] <infinity> sudo su is wildly more intuitive for someone who's been using UNIX for eons.
[17:53] <infinity> Since it's basically "no, really, su harder".
[17:53] <ogra_> yeah, shows mistrust in sudo :P
[17:55] <infinity> Really odd that it only happens for server...
[17:55] <ogra_> yep
[17:58] <infinity> Maybe check-installable needs a set -x and some going over.
[17:58] <ogra_>         for component in main restricted universe multiverse; do
[17:58] <ogra_>                 packages="$IMAGETOP/$DIST-$fullarch/CD1/dists/$DIST/$component/binary-$arch/Packages.gz"
[17:58] <infinity> But without tracing it, I'd assuming that's coming from the zcat.
[17:58] <infinity> Which makes zero sense.
[17:59] <ogra_> that part doesnt get executed on desktop., does it ?
[17:59] <ogra_> there wont be a Packages.gz
[17:59] <infinity> It will on anything with a pool, or rather, should do.
[17:59] <ogra_> right
[17:59] <infinity> And desktop has a small pool.
[17:59] <ogra_> outside the squashfs ?
[18:00] <ogra_> well, likely outside, silly qestion
[18:02] <infinity> Oh, the check gets skipped on live CDs. :P
[18:02] <ogra_> ogra@anubis:~/Devel/branches/nusakan/cdimage-deployment$ grep installability /tmp/daily-live-20120824.log
[18:02] <ogra_> ogra@anubis:~/Devel/branches/nusakan/cdimage-deployment$
[18:02] <ogra_> yeah
[18:02] <Laney> do we compress with lzma?
[18:02] <ogra_> i dont thik we do
[18:02] <Laney> if so, I just googled up http://paste.ubuntu.com/1164863/
[18:03] <ogra_> breaks rsyncability i think
[18:04] <ogra_> i guess we wont get around a set -x
[18:04] <infinity> Laney: We're SUPPOSED to be using gzip, for the reason ogra mentioned, but we may have accidentally switched in the merge.
[18:04] <ogra_> yeah
[18:04] <ogra_> that might be indeed
[18:04] <infinity> Would also account for some of the magical shrinking of the desktop CD...
[18:05] <Laney> oops
[18:05] <ogra_> oh, yeah
[18:05] <ogra_> though why wouldnt it happen on desktop too ?
[18:05] <Laney> infinity just said that the check is skipped
[18:05] <ogra_> oh, because the whole thing is skipped, indeed
[18:07] <infinity> Anyhow, it would be nice to have a newer squashfs-tools on nusakan, but in this case, I'm glad we don't.,
[18:07] <infinity> I'll hunt this down and fix it, since Colin has the good sense to go on vacation.
[18:07] <infinity> s/has/had/
[18:09]  * infinity fires up the local livefs buildd for great justice and fiddling.
[18:09] <stgraber> really unfortunate that rsync can't work with lzma, seeing that it'd save around 100MB...
[18:10] <infinity> stgraber: There's nothing stopping someone from a conceptual port of gzip --rsycnable to lzma and xz.
[18:10] <infinity> But, y'know, spelled correctly.
[18:10] <slangasek> right, except for the fact that you stand a good chance of an xz --rsyncable not actually being better than gzip --rsyncable
[18:10]  * ogra_ likes it better with the typo 
[18:10] <infinity> stgraber: The idea is easily ported to any compressor, really.
[18:11] <infinity> slangasek: Well, if xz performs better than gzip on 4M chunks (and it seems it does), then you just chops your xz streams into 4M chunks and give it a whirl.  Repeat for smaller chunk sizes until you get a nice balance of reduced rsync traffic and not too much archive bloat?  I dunno.
[18:11] <infinity> Not that this is me volunteering to even care.
[18:12] <infinity> And yeah, at the end of the day, you may lose most of that 100MB you gained.
[18:12] <ogra_> but but .. you seem to have a plan already !
[18:12] <ogra_> :)
[18:12] <infinity> Especially given that modern compressors rely heavily on massive dictionaries, and a naive rsyncable implementation could mean a lot of duplicated dictionary data.
[18:12] <infinity> So, it could take some real thought, actually, to fix THAT part.
[18:15] <infinity> Maybe we should all just switch back to .Z
[18:16]  * ogra_ was always scared by capitalized suffixes
[18:45] <slangasek> I wonder if there are any scripts to mock up a dpkg/apt environment using an apt-clone file, without having to actually install all the packages
[18:49] <slangasek> bug #1040002 is a horror to reproduce the normal way.... I don't even know how many GB of disk I need in a VM to get all those packages installed, but I have an idea how long it would take :P
[18:49] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1040002 in update-manager "lucid upgrade to precise amd64 universe failed: E:Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1040002
[18:58] <Daviey> slangasek: I saw words.. but what i saw was.. "I want to do this in the cloud"
[19:07] <slangasek> Daviey: no, I really don't
[19:08] <slangasek> I want it to be fast, not take all day for each iteration
[19:08] <slangasek> a cloud isn't going to make it notably faster :)
[19:13] <Daviey> slangasek: well, looking at the failures.. it seems to happen really qickly https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/Precise/view/Upgrade%20Testing%20Dashboard/job/precise-upgrade-lucid-universe/ARCH=amd64,LTS=lts,PROFILE=universe,label=upgrade-test/buildTimeTrend
[19:14] <slangasek> hmm, so it does
[19:14] <slangasek> I presume that means jenkins has a snapshot image that it uses, that has all the universe packages pre-installed
[19:15] <slangasek> ... that also shows that the error has cleared itself, so I guess I don't need to worry about reproducing it anyway
[19:15] <slangasek> Daviey: so, thanks ;)
[19:16] <Daviey> not quite, cloud 1 legacy 0 .. but i can imagine that as accurate
[19:57] <xnox> infinity: thanks for accepting sphinxsearch, so maybe now we can deploy geonames-lookup.ubuntu.com with actually packaged & supported software ;-)
[20:45] <popey> seems that System Settings -> Details doesn't reflect the fact that a user system is 12.04.1, but shows 12.04.
[20:46] <popey> bug bug 1041369
[20:46] <ubot2`> Launchpad bug 1041369 in gnome-control-center "System Settings -> Details doesn't match lsb_release -a" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1041369
[22:12] <xnox> Daviey: yeah, got verification Wubi works against the metalink you created =)
[22:12] <Daviey> xnox: super, thanks
[22:13] <xnox> Daviey: thank you ;-)