[00:00] hmm, actually.. ubuntu-12.04.1-desktop-i386.iso 17-Aug-2012 22:18 695M [00:00] but the released serial is 20120823.1 [00:00] That doesn't seem right [00:04] that's perfectly right actually [00:04] the respin was only for amd64 and amd64+mac [00:04] i386 was kept identical [00:06] stgraber: hmm, then why does the iso tracker show 23rd? http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/230/builds [00:08] Daviey: because when you build with ARCHES= the scripts copy the previous build in the new directory [00:08] ah, yes [00:08] well spotted [00:09] slangasek: hmm, cdimage is really a mess when it comes to archiving older images, .htaccess/HEADER.html are out of date for most products and some weren't even archived (maverick and 10.04.2 though 10.04.3 was archived) [00:10] stgraber: i did 10.04.3 [00:12] stgraber: please use old-releases/kubuntu/releases/lucid/release as a model [00:12] (and i was hulva confused myself) [00:12] but don't worry about the 10.04.2 cleanup for now [00:14] stgraber: are you handling wubi? [00:15] Daviey: what still needs handling? [00:15] the binary is up to date and the old one moved to old-releases [00:17] stgraber: the sums need updating [00:17] stgraber: would you like me to help shuffle the 12.04.0 stuff out of the way on cdimage.u.c? [00:18] (i'm reluctant to fiddle, with other activity ongoing) [00:19] Daviey: fixing [00:20] slangasek: sure. I started with the tricky ones (these that were never archived before ...), we can split the rest [00:22] slangasek: can you take xubuntu, mythbuntu and ubuntu-cloud-live (not even sure whether we need to archive, just saw it in my find)? [00:22] Daviey: wubi.exe checksum fixed [00:22] stgraber: sure thing (oops, I also just did ubuntu itself, fwiw). best practice is to archive all of the above, and only worry about shoving stuff off of old-releases if IS complains [00:24] stgraber: we probably need to regenerate HEADER.html in each dir... I don't remember offhand the command for that, do you have it handy? [00:25] slangasek: for old-releases? [00:25] Daviey: well, for both old-releases and full [00:25] because currently, the HEADER.html lists both sets of images :) [00:26] slangasek: ISTR having to use sed on old-releases. [00:26] ah [00:26] slangasek: sure, DIST=precise for-project ubuntu make-web-indices . kubuntu-12.04 [00:26] hmm; if powerpc isn't part of the point release, I guess we should keep the old image in full/ [00:26] slangasek: you then have to manually modify HEADER.html to replace 12.04.1 by 12.04 [00:27] stgraber: ack, thanks [00:28] yeah, that is what i sed'd [00:28] heh [00:29] confirming, a couple of torrents i tested are functioning now [00:35] stgraber: ubuntu-cloud-live doesn't appear to have a 12.04.1 in the tree, so not moving; xubuntu, mythbuntu, and ubuntu dvd/preinstall/amd64+mac are done [00:35] slangasek: ok, I "think" I moved all the remaining ones. Will do a bit of checking on cdimage now [00:36] slangasek: hmm, we don't have a 12.04.1 of preinstall either [00:36] ah er, preinstalled images were also not part of the point release, moving those back [00:36] stgraber: right :) [00:39] skaet: any other weirdness that you found? [00:40] * Daviey notes we should probably automate more of this :) [00:40] * skaet +1's Daviey's note [00:40] yeah, we should :/ [00:40] stgraber, let me take a fresh pass. [00:40] stgraber: preinstall moved back, so I think my part's done [00:40] slangasek: I'm tentatively thinking of making a web crawler to validate the result, regardless. [00:40] all links from web site are leading to sane places now as far as I can tell. [00:41] stgraber: NB: I haven't fixed the checksum files for old-releases yet; was planning for us to do that after we push the button [00:41] * xnox is boggled by all of this manual handling left and right [00:41] =) [00:41] slangasek: ah ok, I did for all of mine [00:41] yeah, we've never automated the point release stuff [00:42] stgraber: if you've got the command, feel free to do it for ubuntu/mythbuntu/xubuntu too then [00:42] slangasek: checksum-directory takes an "old-directory" parameter to just copy them over [00:42] slangasek: ok, will do that now [00:42] oh, of course it does :) [00:42] slangasek: did you already regenerate those on cdimage? [00:43] oh, I guess not if you don't know the command [00:43] slangasek: looks like you at least missed one 12.04 => precise symlink [00:43] mmh yes [00:48] slangasek: right, should be all fixed (both cdimage and old-releases). Ran sync-mirrors too [00:48] that should be it for nusakan publication then, right? [00:49] yep [00:57] stgraber: btw, have committed the fix now for the correct size limit on quantal images [00:57] slangasek: thanks [01:00] utlemming: still around? [01:01] smoser: are you around? [01:07] oh, oh, is it out! [01:08] skaet, that would have been 12-04-1-release in the url as i said. :) [01:09] skaet, (we simply can't use dots in slugs, WP does not allow those) [01:10] knome, [01:11] oh, wait [01:11] when you go to that url, the dot is changed to a dash automatially [01:11] +c [01:11] hurrah! [01:11] slangasek, can you nudge ubuntu-anounce to publish? [01:12] * skaet can't remember if you can, or its go to is. [01:12] skaet: nothing in the queue [01:12] skaet: did you include the magic header? [01:12] yup [01:12] first time didn't [01:12] got rejected. [01:12] ok [01:13] how long ago? [01:13] skaet: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2012-August/000160.html [01:13] I'll get it on fridge within an hour or so (I'm on a train, not reliable enough connection right now) [01:13] ok :) [01:13] coolio. guess I no longer need to do the nudging :D [01:13] thanks stgraber, slangasek [01:14] I wonder if that's a deliberate policy change, or a bug introduced somewhere [01:15] let me know if you find out. [01:20] congrats, release team. I bet you're pretty tired by now :) [01:23] Thanks to stgraber, for wethering through this *interesting* one in style. [01:24] tired? we've postponed that until the grave [01:24] :] [01:24] Thanks Daviey, slangasek for pitching in to get the last bits figure out. [01:24] knome. yes indeed. late night last night too. [01:25] i've had one all-nighter and several nearly all-nighters this cycle, and i'm expecting to see more of them [01:25] * skaet needs to go send out the note that we're in Feature Freeze now too. [01:25] good luck :) [01:26] skaet: oh, good, so my LXC upload was actually before feature freeze then ;) [01:26] I still need to do an edubuntu-live upload tomorrow but that will only affect Edubuntu and fix a pretty big regression by adding a new feature [01:27] knome: hehe [01:33] jocarter, unexpected nick change >:) is that permanent? [01:34] the next nick evolution will be 'jokosher' [01:36] will we see a jobacon too? [01:37] * micahg has some Ubuntu Studio specific featureish uploading to do still, but figures that's ok [01:40] I'd actually like to request an FFe for anything in the sponsorship queue before FF assuming it's processed before beta 1 [01:40] * micahg isn't sure if this was brought up yet [01:45] knome: yep, pretty much. I put it off for years because nick changes are hard [01:46] knome: but recently I just decided to take the plunge. I'm 30 now I can't have nicknames that come from linkin park songs anymore :p [01:46] jocarter, mm-hmm. this is even harder after i tell you that i thought "jo" was a she [01:46] like jo-jo, the supernanny! [01:46] slangasek: "jokosher"? over my decomposing body! [01:46] hah [01:47] knome: no more like Jojo in the beatles song. I've decided to go with characters from Beatles songs as the naming scheme for my children if I ever have any :p [01:48] (so it fits) [01:49] jocarter, hah. me and my sister are kind of named after beatles stuff too. mother idolized/s paul mccartney, and if her first baby would have been a boy, he would've been pauli. but she got a girl, and my sister is pauliina. i am pasi, because, well... it starts with PA [01:50] heh [01:51] "and that's not all!" [01:52] especially after her divorce, she's been calling sir paul mccartney our "father" [01:52] jocarter: phhh... I was thinking to add 'xnox' as my middle name, official in the passport and everything [01:53] knome: i also got a male variation of my sisters name [01:54] xnox, what's the female variation then? dmitra? [01:55] knome: dina (full Diana), dima (full Dmitrij) [01:55] one day I'll just change my name to a random unpronounceable unicode character. [01:55] xnox, aha! there was one "dimitra" in our childhood playground [01:56] jocarter, what about ✃ [01:57] I guess I'll take a Spock sign. Spock crushes scissors. [01:57] i don't think that is an unicode character [01:58] knome: watch him get on to the unicode committee [01:58] there was one funny athlete in the olympics. he was called "dong dong" [01:58] * jocarter adds it to todo list [01:59] knome: have you seen the last names at the 100M men final?! [01:59] =) [01:59] there are many surnames in finland that are actually first names, but really, same for both? [01:59] xnox, *last* names? :) [01:59] touche [01:59] oh. [01:59] haha [02:00] well, that's not too bad. [02:00] it's meant "happy" anyway. [02:01] knome: but image "dong dong" & mr. "happy" together =)))) [02:01] * Daviey afk, nn [02:01] hah [02:06] ok, at 5am i'm going to bed too [02:06] good night and congrats everybody :) [02:12] thanks knome === kanliot_ is now known as kanliot [04:59] slangasek: point-release-snapshot> just drop the -l from the cp calls - they don't matter now that we're just copying dists [04:59] cjwatson: ok. why are we now only copying dists? that was news to me [05:02] because all the pool stuff is retrievable from the librarian, and we're much better now at ensuring that it doesn't get expired [05:02] ah, alrighty [05:03] and link-farming pool was actually making a fairly serious dent in cocoplum's disk space [05:03] true [05:04] 9% I think [06:02] ok, so, whom should I contact if the Kubuntu downloads page needs to be updated? [06:03] it's still pointing to the old 12.04 ISO's [06:05] which download page do you mean? [06:05] this one http://www.kubuntu.org/getkubuntu [06:07] Riddell, ScottK: ^^ [06:08] afaik both are away [06:12] yeah; I'm assuming one will be by soon [06:14] doubt it :P [06:14] ScottK is away on vacation, Riddell went off for the weekend [06:15] ok; I don't know who else would be able to help with that, sorry [06:16] hm [06:16] I could try and dig up the credentials login as admin to kubuntu.org [06:16] but I have no idea if I can even change that [06:17] ah yes, I haz username/pass [06:25] slangasek: yeah, I can edit, thx anyway :P [06:25] omap4 armhf link is broken as well [06:36] O_O [06:36] no Kubuntu DVD's for 12.04? :O [07:51] Been wondering: Should someone also change the topic to say that 12.04.1 being released??/ === doko__ is now known as doko [11:43] http://releases.ubuntu.com/12.04.1/MD5SUMS-metalink is missing, yet present for 10.04 [11:43] wubi uses it =) [11:44] Daviey is this something you can fix ^^^^ [11:44] ? [11:44] bug 1041142 [11:44] Launchpad bug 1041142 in wubi "http://releases.ubuntu.com/12.04.1/MD5SUMS-metalink HTTP Error 404. Not Found" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1041142 [11:45] xnox: I should be able to.. [11:46] Daviey: ok. I wasn't sure who can do/does this. [11:47] on 10.04 it also has the GPG signature [11:47] =/ [11:51] xnox: The issue is, i'm not sure /how/ to do this precisely, so i'm digging through it [11:52] Daviey: publish-release:617 looks likely [11:56] Laney: no, there is a make-metalink command that looks more likely [11:56] :) [11:56] ah, that calls that [11:57] :) [11:57] this is just the hashes of those files afaict [11:59] Laney: i suspect the antics of last night deleted them by accident [11:59] I don [11:59] 't think publish-release would be wise. [11:59] I wasn't around to witness the antics, so no clue [11:59] I'm not suggesting to run the script, but that line demonstrates how to create the file yourself [12:00] (it doesn't exist for 12.04 either) [12:00] well, $ make-metalink --help [12:00] Usage: /home/cdimage/bin/make-metalink BASEDIR DIST RELDIR HOST [12:00] e.g.: /home/cdimage/bin/make-metalink /srv/cdimage.ubuntu.com/www/full hardy daily/20080413 cdimage.ubuntu.com [12:01] you just need to make the MD5SUMS file though [12:01] Laney: hmm, well 12.04 is gone now..but it must have been there at some point [12:01] Laney: would you rather handle this? [12:01] i'm as clueless as you :P [12:02] heh [12:04] well MD5SUMS is present [12:05] are release & cdimage the same? [12:05] cause the md5sums-metalink is present on the cdimage [12:05] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/12.04.1/release/ [12:05] but not on the releases [12:05] no [12:06] ok. [12:06] there's two trees, one for cdimage and one for releases [12:06] s/s$// [12:06] no, s/$/s// [12:07] ah! [12:08] that does make life easier [12:12] hmm http://releases.ubuntu.com/precise/ [12:12] Daviey: I'll do md5sums *.metalink > MD5SUMS-metalink in the directory and sign it if you want, then you can review and sync-mirrors? [12:12] I am fairly confident that is all we need here [12:12] wait [12:12] okey dokey [12:20] Laney: i wanetd to check the sums [12:27] Seems we are now good [12:27] xnox: are you able to verify? [12:27] one moment. [12:28] Laney: I'm thinking of making a crawler to check all these bits. [12:30] please do; any foolproofery would be good [12:31] Daviey: looks good to me. will notify the bug reporter. [12:33] thanks === yofel_ is now known as yofel === tkamppeter_ is now known as tkamppeter [14:23] slangasek: If i wanted to SRU a standalone NEW package for Precise, (ubuntu-cloud-keyring).. do you consider it to need a tracking bug? [14:23] (or any other ~ubuntu-sru ^) [14:50] skaet: i want to have a chat with you about the installer. Do you have time today? (after release meeting, I guess if that is still going ahead) [14:50] xnox, after the release meeting has a window. release meeting is going ahead. [14:51] skaet: ok. ping me when you have time. it might take ~30min or more. [14:51] xnox, will do. [14:51] skaet: thanks a lot. === gema_ is now known as gema [15:08] skaet, ping [15:51] stgraber: should purging of old images be re-enabled now? [15:51] slangasek: oh, yes, forgot about that, will do it now [15:52] done [15:52] ta [15:52] * slangasek blinks at today's desktop CD sizes. What went missing? [15:52] old-releases was also out of sync, ara poked me about it earlier. It's syncing now [15:52] ok [15:53] stgraber so the 12.04 images there now? ara was asking. [15:53] skaet: kind of, they're getting there slowly ;) [15:55] ok [15:56] slangasek: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1164677/ but I guess you did that already [15:56] stgraber: oh, so ubuntu-desktop is missing ;) [15:57] but in exchange, we got two copies of libmetacity-private [15:57] \o/ [15:58] who needs a desktop if he has two WMs [16:00] slangasek: even so, the diff looks weird, that surely can't account for 120MB :) [16:00] so I guess the livefs must be in a pretty bad state to explain that size drop [16:00] half-configured/rc/... packages that would show up on manifest but not actually be installed? [16:02] no idea [16:03] however, the metacity thing is a package conflict, and could very well explain everything [16:13] slangasek, we got the conflict resolved since, maybe it's just a matter of kick a respin? [16:13] could be [16:44] can you guys point me to the documented release process? [16:47] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BetaProcess <- I found this, but no mention of respins whatsoever, I am not sure if covers also alphas and release processes [16:47] or just betas [16:49] gema: /ReleaseProcess covers official releases. [16:49] infinity: thanks [16:50] gema: And I'm not sure what mention you want of respins. They're not something that's planned, or in the 12-step program, they just happen if they have to happen, and don't if they don't. [16:50] infinity: since I have been here, they've always happened [16:50] infinity: have you been at any milestone without respins? [16:50] It's sort of like saying "You gave me directions to drive to your house, but didn't mention that I'd need to swerve to avoid the cat crossing the road". [16:51] gema: Sure, they usually happen, but it's not something that can be planned. [16:51] infinity: you learnt to drive, right? there are rules you need to follow if you drive to my home :) [16:51] infinity: ack [16:52] infinity: I have been asked to suggest changes that I think may help the release process, so I am preparing an email [16:52] I will probably send it next week, since Monday is bank holiday in the uk, and I don't want to drop a bomb and run [16:52] so to speak [17:14] slangasek, stgraber - I've gone in to nusakan and turned the precise ubuntu dailies back on. [17:14] * skaet --> lunch [17:15] hey release team [17:15] could I get https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/indicator-messages/+bug/1040259 acked? [17:15] Ubuntu bug 1040259 in thunderbird "FFE: libmessaging-menu transitions for quantal" [High,In progress] [17:15] not sure what extra infos you might want for it [17:23] any thoughts on when the images might be stabilizing again.. we've had many failures to build over the past 2 days on quantal [17:24] sadly thats pretty normal around freeze dates [17:25] everyone does his last minute uploads ... being in a ruch people make mistakes etc [17:25] *rush [17:27] yesterday's across-the-board build failures were due to problems with the image creation tools themselves, not the archive per se [17:27] and I believe everything affected was rebuilt [17:27] ok, I think for instance the ubuntu server images still seem to be old [17:28] yeah, that too [17:28] we had a massive merge of live-build [17:28] lubuntu and wubi as well [17:28] that seems weird [17:28] lubuntu/xubuntu/studio are known as I said in the meeting [17:28] lubuntu had a dependency issue [17:29] thats resolved now [17:29] yes.. noted Laney :-) [17:29] ohh so could they be rebuilt? [17:29] they don't depend on gtk2 indicators any more? [17:30] the dep was dropped from lubuntu-meta [17:30] i see a spin is in progress [17:31] i just tested a handbuilt armhf+ac100 image today [17:31] (lubuntu that is) [17:31] let me try redoing server [17:32] thanks Laney [17:32] balloons, http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/cd-build-logs/ and http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/livefs-build-logs/ might be of interest for you :) [17:33] pretty sure he's on the CC list for the spam [17:33] ogra_, thanks [17:33] Laney, yes I am :-) [17:33] but I didn't know about the web archive [17:33] ah, tis handy to be aware of [17:36] stgraber: ^ [17:36] infinity: thanks! [17:37] stgraber: Your library versioning is a bit curious (or, upstream's, I guess?), but the SOVER is sane, so whatever. [17:39] I updated the notice board with a brief note mentioning ff and beta causing lots of unstability.. thanks for the info [17:45] Fri Aug 24 17:40:50 UTC 2012 [17:45] zlib::uncompress failed, unknown error -3 [17:45] read_block: failed to read block @0x9b899f8 [17:45] ubuntu-server just failed again with this [17:45] looks a bit like a chroot issue [17:46] Which build on which host? [17:46] ubuntu-server amd64 [17:48] Erm. [17:48] The livefs build looks successful to me. [17:48] yep [17:48] i think its nusakan [17:48] http://paste.ubuntu.com/1164851/ [17:49] thats the end of the log [17:49] http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/cd-build-logs/ubuntu-server/quantal/daily-20120824.log [17:49] but yeah, that [17:49] yeah [17:49] well, i look at .1 :) [17:49] but same error [17:49] that was me respinning to see if it was transient [17:50] That's... Curious. [17:50] how did you respin, the mail should have your name in the subject for a manual build [17:50] ogra_: SUDO_USER isn't always set. :P [17:50] livefs ones do, not sure about cd [17:50] infinity, evil !!! [17:51] I sudo like a person from the 2010s, so SUDO_USER is definitely set :P [17:51] oh, right, thats two different scripts, i might have to add the SUDO:USER bit to the other one too :) [17:51] cdimage@nusakan:~/cdimage/log/ubuntu-server/quantal$ echo $SUDO_USER [17:51] adconrad [17:51] cdimage@nusakan:~/cdimage/log/ubuntu-server/quantal$ logout [17:51] adconrad@nusakan:~$ sudo su - cdimage [17:51] cdimage@nusakan:~$ echo $SUDO_USER [17:51] cdimage@nusakan:~$ [17:51] evil evil evil ! [17:51] sudo su ... tsk [17:52] Old habits die hard. [17:52] but anway, i'm sure i only added that code snippet to buildlive :) [17:52] I had to force myself to "sudo -u cdimage -i", and still only remember it because it's in my history. [17:52] heh [17:52] * ogra_ adds to his TODO [17:53] sudo su is wildly more intuitive for someone who's been using UNIX for eons. [17:53] Since it's basically "no, really, su harder". [17:53] yeah, shows mistrust in sudo :P [17:55] Really odd that it only happens for server... [17:55] yep [17:58] Maybe check-installable needs a set -x and some going over. [17:58] for component in main restricted universe multiverse; do [17:58] packages="$IMAGETOP/$DIST-$fullarch/CD1/dists/$DIST/$component/binary-$arch/Packages.gz" [17:58] But without tracing it, I'd assuming that's coming from the zcat. [17:58] Which makes zero sense. [17:59] that part doesnt get executed on desktop., does it ? [17:59] there wont be a Packages.gz [17:59] It will on anything with a pool, or rather, should do. [17:59] right [17:59] And desktop has a small pool. [17:59] outside the squashfs ? [18:00] well, likely outside, silly qestion [18:02] Oh, the check gets skipped on live CDs. :P [18:02] ogra@anubis:~/Devel/branches/nusakan/cdimage-deployment$ grep installability /tmp/daily-live-20120824.log [18:02] ogra@anubis:~/Devel/branches/nusakan/cdimage-deployment$ [18:02] yeah [18:02] do we compress with lzma? [18:02] i dont thik we do [18:02] if so, I just googled up http://paste.ubuntu.com/1164863/ [18:03] breaks rsyncability i think [18:04] i guess we wont get around a set -x [18:04] Laney: We're SUPPOSED to be using gzip, for the reason ogra mentioned, but we may have accidentally switched in the merge. [18:04] yeah [18:04] that might be indeed [18:04] Would also account for some of the magical shrinking of the desktop CD... [18:05] oops [18:05] oh, yeah [18:05] though why wouldnt it happen on desktop too ? [18:05] infinity just said that the check is skipped [18:05] oh, because the whole thing is skipped, indeed [18:07] Anyhow, it would be nice to have a newer squashfs-tools on nusakan, but in this case, I'm glad we don't., [18:07] I'll hunt this down and fix it, since Colin has the good sense to go on vacation. [18:07] s/has/had/ [18:09] * infinity fires up the local livefs buildd for great justice and fiddling. [18:09] really unfortunate that rsync can't work with lzma, seeing that it'd save around 100MB... [18:10] stgraber: There's nothing stopping someone from a conceptual port of gzip --rsycnable to lzma and xz. [18:10] But, y'know, spelled correctly. [18:10] right, except for the fact that you stand a good chance of an xz --rsyncable not actually being better than gzip --rsyncable [18:10] * ogra_ likes it better with the typo [18:10] stgraber: The idea is easily ported to any compressor, really. [18:11] slangasek: Well, if xz performs better than gzip on 4M chunks (and it seems it does), then you just chops your xz streams into 4M chunks and give it a whirl. Repeat for smaller chunk sizes until you get a nice balance of reduced rsync traffic and not too much archive bloat? I dunno. [18:11] Not that this is me volunteering to even care. [18:12] And yeah, at the end of the day, you may lose most of that 100MB you gained. [18:12] but but .. you seem to have a plan already ! [18:12] :) [18:12] Especially given that modern compressors rely heavily on massive dictionaries, and a naive rsyncable implementation could mean a lot of duplicated dictionary data. [18:12] So, it could take some real thought, actually, to fix THAT part. [18:15] Maybe we should all just switch back to .Z [18:16] * ogra_ was always scared by capitalized suffixes [18:45] I wonder if there are any scripts to mock up a dpkg/apt environment using an apt-clone file, without having to actually install all the packages [18:49] bug #1040002 is a horror to reproduce the normal way.... I don't even know how many GB of disk I need in a VM to get all those packages installed, but I have an idea how long it would take :P [18:49] Launchpad bug 1040002 in update-manager "lucid upgrade to precise amd64 universe failed: E:Error, pkgProblemResolver::Resolve generated breaks" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1040002 [18:58]