[01:17] <linuxieus> I seem to be having a problem with the desktop. The wallpaper does no longer show and icons + text appear vague. When right clicking and trying to change desktop background nothing happens... What could be my problem and what is the solution?
[01:17] <linuxieus> Thanks in advance for any help.
[01:18] <linuxieus> I did do a search on the net before coming here btw, but I seem to be having a weird problem...
[01:20] <Unit193> I don't quite remember, but I think the fix for that was alt+f2, xfwm4 --replace, but that doesn't make as much sense as thunar should be managing it.
[01:22] <linuxieus> Nope, screen flickered but nothing changed. Sorry...
[01:23] <linuxieus> I can't recall that I changed anything either that's what makes it even more strange... I switched the laptop off without any problems before and since yesterday I have this weird problem.
[01:24] <linuxieus> Anything else I start seems to be just fine, nothing wrong with the screen. Firefox for example, or anything else are as clear as normal and even the top and bottom menu are fine.
[01:25] <linuxieus> The desktop just appears in plain blue (BSOD blue) and no wallpaper... And as stated before the icons are vague as the text underneath it.
[01:28] <Unit193> Weird.
[01:29] <linuxieus> That's what I thought ;)
[01:31] <Unit193> Could always nuke your .config, and by that I mean move it. :P
[01:31] <linuxieus> Okay, it's not such a major problem - everything else seems to be just fine and the system appears to work normal but this is just something weird I want to fix. What is the base for the background settings? Maybe I should purge something out and install fresh?
[01:32] <linuxieus> Nuke the config... Settings of xcfe? Could you specify what file maybe? -_o
[01:33] <linuxieus> I appreciate your help btw! ;)
[01:34] <linuxieus> As the only one replying to my problem.
[01:34] <Unit193> Not much I know from this, haven't seen it.  12.04/Xfce 4.8?
[01:34] <linuxieus> Correct.
[01:35] <Unit193> ~/.config/ or if you don't like that, ~/.config/xfce4
[01:35] <linuxieus> Okay, well I'll give it a try then.
[01:36] <Unit193> Log out and back in after.   (make sure to move the dir rather than actually deleteing)
[01:37] <linuxieus> Just moved it, going for a log out now...
[01:39] <Unit193> No go?
[01:39] <linuxieus> ...sigh :( nope
[01:40] <knome> alt+f2 -> "xfdesktop --reload" ?
[01:41] <linuxieus> Nothing :S
[01:41] <knome> have you tried removing ~/.cache ?
[01:42] <linuxieus> No, I'll try that just now.
[01:42] <Unit193> Gah! .cache!
[01:43] <knome> linuxieus, and log out and in after that too just to make sure
[01:44] <linuxieus> Okay, hold on brb.
[01:46] <linuxieus> It seems I am messing things up more atm. The bottom menu has lost its icons now :S
[01:48] <linuxieus> I did recover the .config btw, however it did not get my settings back. I have some work adjusting things in my top menu now.
[01:49] <linuxieus> Had some shortcuts there that are gone now (after the config removal tip).
[01:49] <Unit193> Really?  Sure they went to the reierjiereihg location?
[01:50] <linuxieus> Yes, I am quite positive I did the correct thing.
[01:51] <knome> Unit193, to *WHAT* location? :D
[01:51] <Unit193> knome: Right.
[01:51] <Unit193> linuxieus: Cool.
[01:51] <linuxieus> Maybe, while I am at it I should reinstall after moving my important files to the external HDD or maybe I should not give up just now... :D
[01:52] <Unit193> Could make a new user, see if it happens there, if so, problem.
[01:52] <linuxieus> Problems are meant for solving and learning. I'll just create a new user - hold on.
[01:56] <Unit193> Good?
[01:56] <linuxieus> Weird... That works just fine, with wallpaper and all.
[01:56] <linuxieus> I could even change it etc.
[01:57] <linuxieus> When I log out I get a black screen that says something like 'Could not write... broken pipe'?
[01:58] <linuxieus> Does it have something to do with it maybe?
[01:58] <Unit193> I have that on suspend.
[01:58] <linuxieus> Okay, so that is quite normal... I guess?
[01:58] <linuxieus> Never mind that then ;)
[01:59] <Unit193> Well, wouldn't say it is normal, but...
[02:00] <linuxieus> I noticed something else too... On the new user I had the possibility to change settings or so - other than wallpaper settings that I do not get on the main account anymore.
[02:00] <linuxieus> Right click only gives me the option: Change background, on the main user account I use atm.
[02:01] <linuxieus> (Maybe it helps in solving the problem?)
[02:01] <knome> linuxieus, just checking; have you enabled the root account?
[02:02] <linuxieus> Enabled? I cant recall disabling it... I guess it's a yes ;)
[02:02] <knome> linuxieus, (please don't if you haven't, you shouldn't)
[02:02] <knome> it's disabled by default
[02:02] <knome> so if you haven't touched it, good
[02:03] <linuxieus> Oh 0_o okay... Well, I have done nothing special that I know of that created this problem.
[02:03] <linuxieus> I'll see where to enable the root account.
[02:03] <knome> no, don't
[02:03] <knome> you shouldn't
[02:03] <knome> i was just making sure *you didn't*
[02:04] <knome> because that's known to cause problems
[02:04] <linuxieus> No then, I am sure I didn't
[02:04] <knome> good :)
[02:04] <knome> i think i need to go to bed, it's 5am
[02:05] <knome> Unit193's timezone is more favorable, so he'll probably continue with you :)
[02:05] <linuxieus> It's 4 am here. But I am on a nightshift :D
[02:05] <linuxieus> Sleep well! And thanks a lot, anyways...
[02:06] <knome> i'm an entrepreneur, so "always working".. though this time, only on open source stuff ;)
[02:06] <knome> good night, and good luck
[02:06] <linuxieus> Thanks!
[02:06] <Unit193> Nighty, knome.
[02:07] <knome> nini Unit193
[02:09] <linuxieus> ...My guess is I am f*cked.
[02:10] <Unit193> Well, try to keep it family friendly and all, but why can't you just keep the new user?
[02:10] <Unit193> Just make sure it's in the sudo group.
[02:11] <linuxieus> I could do that, but that's is (to me) just a simple way to avoid the problem... It's not the solution, wright?
[02:12] <linuxieus> I would like to try and fix it.
[02:12] <blackgatonegro> mmm
[02:12] <linuxieus> By all means this just have to work and there has to be a fix, is what I am thinking.
[02:12] <blackgatonegro> have you tried to change the account to an administrator one?
[02:13] <blackgatonegro> or run the program in terminal with sudo?
[02:13] <blackgatonegro> go to system /user and groups
[02:13] <linuxieus> Change the main account to a administrator one?
[02:14] <linuxieus> Is the main account not already the administrator?
[02:14] <blackgatonegro> pick the account, go to advanced settings, change permisions
[02:14] <linuxieus> Just asking.
[02:14] <linuxieus> Okay, hold on.
[02:14] <blackgatonegro> you remenber your root pasword, right?
[02:15] <linuxieus> Yes sure ;)
[02:15] <blackgatonegro> then try to change the permisions
[02:16] <linuxieus> Changed it to the group adm is that correct?
[02:16] <Unit193> blackgatonegro: He has a different problem, not a group issue.
[02:16] <blackgatonegro> if you still have problems, you could have some bad program installs
[02:16] <linuxieus> Main group: adm
[02:16] <blackgatonegro> he can also change the account permisions, not just the group ones
[02:17] <linuxieus> I log out now?
[02:17] <linuxieus> ...guess so?
[02:18] <blackgatonegro> if nothing works, he can try creating a new account, and doing a backup of the stuff he had in the old one.
[02:18] <linuxieus> New account works fine, but I would like to solve this issue - if possible.
[02:18] <linuxieus> Although I already have lost some settings on the way now ;)
[02:19] <linuxieus> lol
[02:19] <linuxieus> Okay, I'll try log out/in now.
[02:21] <blackgatonegro> system /user and groups /pick account name / advanced settings / type root password /user privileges / select all
[02:21] <blackgatonegro> then reboot
[02:22] <linuxieus> Okay, I'll try that then - since it has not changed.
[02:22] <linuxieus> Hold on.
[02:23] <blackgatonegro> system /user and groups /pick account name / advanced settings / type root password /user privileges / select all /ok / then reboot * If that does not work, create new account, backup stuff in old one*
[02:24] <linuxieus> Going for a reboot...
[02:28] <linuxieus> ...I am lost. It did not work, but I'll try it maybe later... I'm tired of it atm. I do appreciate all your help guys, thanks a lot!!!
[02:28] <silverghost> what happened eh
[02:29] <linuxieus> I'll work with it, without a wallpaper and vague icons and text for now.
[02:29] <silverghost> what happened linuxieus
[02:29] <linuxieus> Restore my shortcuts on the top menu and I'll be fine for the time.
[02:30] <linuxieus> What happened, well I dont know.
[02:30] <silverghost> lol
[02:30] <linuxieus> My first question, you are asking what my problem is wright?
[02:30] <silverghost> yaa
[02:31] <silverghost> what happened to ur xubuntu eh
[02:31] <silverghost> ^^
[02:31] <linuxieus> Well, my wallpaper was gone just like that and icons with text are all vague but everything else is just fine. Background is now blue like BSOD blue and I cant change or have a wallpaper...
[02:32] <silverghost> u using 4.10 ?
[02:32] <silverghost> xfce?
[02:32] <blackgatonegro> sometimes you have no choise but to make a new account, do you have remote desktop enabled?
[02:32] <linuxieus> Everything else is just fine, top menu is functional and bottom was fine but I trashed that by removing settings.
[02:32] <linuxieus> silverghost, correct!
[02:32] <silverghost> try fedora xfce it is less buggy than xubuntu
[02:32] <linuxieus> No, wait...
[02:32] <linuxieus> 4.8
[02:33] <silverghost> try solus os 1.2 it is lightere than xubuntu www.solusos.ocm
[02:33] <silverghost> solusos.com
[02:33] <bazhang> silverghost, thats not helpful
[02:33] <drc> Settings>Settings Manager>Sessions an Startup>Advanced> Launch GNOME Services on Startup   id that checked?
[02:33] <bazhang> !behelpful | silverghost
[02:33] <linuxieus> ...I want ubuntu, I like it very much - I changed to Xubuntu because of the damn unity crap.
[02:34] <drc> linuxieus:    Settings>Settings Manager>Sessions an Startup>Advanced> Launch GNOME Services on Startup   id that checked?
[02:34] <silverghost> linuxieus why compromise stability of ur system with ubuntu based distros technically they are unstable debian sid
[02:34] <linuxieus> drc, I'll check that, hold on.
[02:35] <silverghost> oi
[02:35] <bazhang> silverghost, stay on topic
[02:35] <silverghost> bazhang u frm which country?
[02:35] <silverghost> i am educating him
[02:35] <bazhang> silverghost, stay on topic for xubuntu support. Chat elsewhere.
[02:36] <silverghost> u frm which eountry eh
[02:36] <linuxieus> drc, It's checked.
[02:36]  * drc thinks baz is from canops country :)
[02:36] <linuxieus> I seem to also have KDE :S
[02:36] <drc> linuxieus: uncheck it, restart x, tell us what happens.
[02:37] <linuxieus> In that menu/option.
[02:37] <linuxieus> Okay, hold on.
[02:37] <drc> uncheck both
[02:39] <linuxieus> It did not fix it.
[02:40] <linuxieus> Should I check them or only one?
[02:40] <drc> linuxieus: did you restart x completely?
[02:40] <drc> not just log out
[02:41] <linuxieus> Uh, how do I do that? I reboot?
[02:41] <drc> rebooting is the easiest :)
[02:41] <linuxieus> Okay, sure... hold on.
[02:44] <linuxieus> It did not do the trick, booting took a bit longer though and while starting up it did show the standard wallpaper for a small while until completely booted I get the blue background again.
[02:44] <drc> both GNOME and KDE are unchecked?
[02:45] <linuxieus> Yes, I am quite sure I had them both unchecked. Let me check it for you, hold on.
[02:45] <linuxieus> Yes, both are unchecked so I did that correctly.
[02:46] <drc> There was a problem (a while back( with Onboard and GNOME services that resulted in the symptoms you described.
[02:47] <linuxieus> But that is (maybe) not the case with me, wright?
[02:47] <drc> I do not remember if I had to clear the cache also (delete everything in ~/.cache).
[02:47] <linuxieus> onboard, is a service or program?
[02:47] <linuxieus> I already had this tip and cleared that.
[02:47] <drc> program, it's an onscreen keyboard, iirc...see Software center.
[02:48] <linuxieus> Ah, okay.
[02:48] <drc> ok, sorry, must have missed that...I'm out of ideas :(
[02:49] <linuxieus> But please remember, it was working fine before. This just happened overnight I switched it off and the next day !@#$$%@$#! o_O
[02:49] <drc> That's the way it always is :)
[02:50] <linuxieus> I can't understand why... Okay, sometimes weird things do happen on my laptop's Xubuntu but after a reboot or so it's fine but this stays...
[02:50] <linuxieus> Well, thank you's to you to... I am tired of it and you are out of ideas ;)
[02:51] <linuxieus> I gtg do something else, start up the XBMC and get my mind off from this for a while. (system works fine only this minor problem persists).
[02:52] <linuxieus> You all where a great help. Talk to you later maybe!
[02:52]  * linuxieus is away: I'm busy
[03:42] <utu-san> 12.04.1 is out?
[03:43] <utu-san> but don't see 4.10 in it?
[03:44] <utu-san> not good enough yet?
[03:47] <hanslanda> hello there, can anyone help me please? im trying to install Xorg-Server-1.12.3  but its asking for some dependencies that i dont know and neither can find them
[03:48] <utu-san> hanslanda: apt-get should take care of it?
[03:48] <utu-san> it will pull in all deps
[03:49] <hanslanda> utu-san, yes..some deps i could find...but others not
[03:50] <hanslanda> bigreqsproto is one i cant find
[03:51] <utu-san> am assuming you are installing from ubuntu repos right?
[03:51] <hanslanda> yes
[03:52] <utu-san> when you apt-get install <pkg>, it will install other deps that are not installed yet
[03:54] <hanslanda> im sorry utu-san ...please tell me how can i update Xorg so? ive downloaded it im trying to compile this...but without success due to these missed dependencies
[03:56] <hanslanda> my is X.Org X Server 1.11.3 ...and i want to install 1.12.3 or later
[03:56] <utu-san> may I ask why?
[03:58] <hanslanda> http://www.urbanterror.info/forums/topic/29282-mouse-wheel-scrolling-not-recognized-while-moving-mouse/
[04:00] <hanslanda> i have a problem while im playing some games...my mouse scroll button doesnt work when im pressing other buttons...so i read the text of that link and it says that i have to download xorg 1.12.3
[04:01] <utu-san> hanslanda sorry can't help you but you can try quantal which is at 1.12.99.904
[04:02] <hanslanda> quantal? dont know what it is...i will search in google
[04:02] <utu-san> the next ubuntu 12.10
[04:09] <utu-san> hanslanda:  or there are ppa's that has bleeding edge versions like the xorg-edger  it may work or not not sure
[04:12] <hanslanda> utu-san, http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-24-08-2012-011105.php  please...help me...look at this link..its a print of the problem
[04:12] <utu-san> X is tricky so use at your own risk
[04:13] <utu-san> sorry. got to go
[04:19] <holstein> hanslanda: im not seeing it, whats up?
[04:22] <Sysi> https://launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/ppa?field.series_filter=precise there's 1.12.3
[04:22] <holstein> OH, i get it ...i thought it was an image depicting an X error ;)
[04:22] <hanslanda> holstein, i think i've found a solution...but i will ask if i get any problem...just a minute
[04:22] <holstein> yeah, use the PP hanslanda
[04:22] <holstein> PPA*
[04:23] <Sysi> compiling xorg is quite risky if you don't have experience, I'm not sure if you can have two different versions installed simultaneously
[04:24] <holstein> yup.. and the stuff will be everywhere...im not a noob anymore, and im quite sure i could make a mess that only resinstalling would cure
[04:25] <hanslanda> Sysi, holstein , i want to have xorg 1.12.3 on my system...what i have to do so?
[04:25] <holstein> hanslanda: i would try the PPA
[08:39] <Arpad2> hi
[08:42] <Arpad2> is it possible to send/receive sms text messages with hsdpa internet connection in xubuntu?
[08:58] <daedaluz> I don't get this. I used the xubuntu team's ppa to upgrade xfce from 4.8 to 4.10, and first xfce-settings-manager was as intended, but then for some reason last time I opened it 5mins ago it was almost empty
[08:59] <daedaluz> things like power management are missing for no apparent reason
[08:59] <daedaluz> I have only screensaver, default apps, panel, kb layout, mime-editor & display there now
[11:42] <dystopiandrift> hello all. any idea why the ppc port xubuntu iso is so far over 700mb? I can't get it to burn right.. I even used -overburn in wodim to try to get it to work anyway. no luck..
[11:43] <TheSheep> !ppc | dystopiandrift
[11:44] <dystopiandrift> I even mounted the squeesefs and dug around, but I can't get into the root so not much I can do to try to cut stuff out.
[11:45] <dystopiandrift> seems like the iso should be smaller..
[11:45] <TheSheep> dystopiandrift: in short: we don't support ppc
[11:47] <dystopiandrift> ah. I misunderstood. okay. I figured it was on the server with the others so.. yeah. anyway, thanks.
[11:47] <TheSheep> dystopiandrift: try ubuntu-ppc
[11:47] <TheSheep> dystopiandrift: the channel
[11:47] <TheSheep> dystopiandrift: ah, sorry
[11:47] <dystopiandrift> oh, cool. thank you.
[11:47] <TheSheep> dystopiandrift: no such channel :/
[11:47] <dystopiandrift> pfft
[11:48]  * TheSheep can't remember the channel name
[11:48] <dystopiandrift> well, its the thought that counts.. I'll look.
[11:48] <TheSheep> ah, it's #ubuntu-powerpc
[11:48] <TheSheep> I really hoped the ubottu fact would have a reference to the channel
[11:52] <dystopiandrift> I found  a guide to shrink the iso, but it is what I have already done. This guide I found is referencing ubuntu 9.10 ;p so thats probably why it worked.
[11:53] <dystopiandrift> anyway, thank you again. I'll go bug #ubuntu-powerpc about all this.
[12:00] <matematikaadit> hi, i've problem to connect to freenode server via xchat/irssi, etc.
[12:02] <Pici> What sort of problem?
[12:02] <matematikaadit> the problem is: if the server support ipv6, there will be [Network is unreachable] warning.
[12:03] <Pici> You can try specifying the -4 argument when you connect with irssi
[12:03] <matematikaadit> but if it doesn't support ipv6, like 	zelazny.freenode.net (seen in http://freenode.net/irc_servers.shtml). I will be abble to connect.
[12:05] <matematikaadit> OK, i try this at irssi: /server -4 chat.freenode.net
[12:05] <Pici> yep
[12:05] <matematikaadit> but it respond with: 19:04 -!- Irssi: Unable to connect server chat.freenode.net port 6667 [IPv4 address not found for host]
[12:06] <matematikaadit> I think the cause is that I set my linux to not support ipv6
[12:08] <matematikaadit> btw, it's xubuntu 11.10 on i386
[12:10] <Pici> Can you pastebin the output of: dig chat.freenode.net
[12:13] <matematikaadit> Yup
[12:13] <matematikaadit> http://pastebin.com/6ZgZqFdS
[12:17] <Pici> odd.
[12:18]  * Pici scratches his head
[12:19] <Pici> matematikaadit: how are you connected right now?
[12:19] <matematikaadit> Pici: I'm using zelazny.freenode.net server. (this server doesn't support ipv6)
[12:22] <matematikaadit> I will paste the command and the result that I type in xchat for the success and the non-success one.
[12:28] <matematikaadit> http://pastebin.com/5Lwtimcq
[12:29] <matematikaadit> similar result also apply for irssi
[12:30] <matematikaadit> oh, also using http://webchat.freenode.net/ is work.
[12:33] <xubuntu949> Just wondering, does 12.04.1 have the latest XFCE?
[12:33] <Sysi> no
[12:34] <Sysi> stays in 4.8
[12:34] <xubuntu949> Ah - thanks for the answer!
[12:59] <matematikaadit> anyway... what does the proper way to check wether our linux 3.0 support ipv6?
[13:20] <noisems> hi all, im novice in xubuntu, want to try xfce 4.10, but my repository show me only 4.8 version. What repository i ne to add? thx!
[13:26] <GridCube> noisems, xubuntu 12.10 will be the first official release with 4.10, but you can get an unoficial, slightly unsuported, version https://plus.google.com/112064450121097287690/posts/Jj27zJqmCVB
[13:27] <knome> not slightly, but officially unsupported
[13:30] <GridCube> yeah... well... i meant not for long :P
[13:31] <GridCube> and that its not so different from 4.8
[14:06] <cifadam> hi everyone, i need some help about my grub?
[14:06] <cifadam> is there anyone want to help me?
[14:07] <bazhang> cifadam, dont crosspost in multiple ubuntu channels
[14:07] <cifadam> sorry about that
[14:07] <cifadam> i'm totally new at this
[14:08] <cifadam> so how can i get some simple help with my problem?
[14:10] <holstein> cifadam: you can ask... whats going on?
[14:10] <cifadam> finally, thanx
[14:10] <cifadam> i recently set up gnome on my xubuntu
[14:11] <holstein> cifadam: bazhang was asking that you not ask in multiple channels... you can get "help' from one person, then get distracted and waste a voulunteers time
[14:11] <cifadam> but than i erased the gnome
[14:11] <holstein> cifadam: theres also no time limit on said voluntary support, so you might want to refrain from using terms like "finally" as that might be considered "combatitive"
[14:12] <holstein> cifadam: i will be glad too look at your issue however.. you installed gnome? by what method? and removed it? how?
[14:12] <cifadam> i see, sorry, as i said i'm totally new at this
[14:12] <cifadam> anyway, after i removed gnome, i lost some functions in xubuntu
[14:13] <cifadam> one of them is, transparency of xfce-terminal
[14:13] <holstein> cifadam: xubuntu session? or XFCE?
[14:13] <cifadam> xubuntu session i guess
[14:13] <holstein> cifadam: if you are new, and not worried about hard drive space, i would suggest just reinstalling gnome
[14:13] <holstein> cifadam: you can look at login and confirm what session you are using
[14:13] <cifadam> space is not the issu
[14:14] <cifadam>  but my internet connection sucks
[14:14] <cifadam> it takes almost a whole day to reinstall it
[14:14] <holstein> cifadam: i would probably look into compositing.. see what compositor you were using before gnome
[14:14] <cifadam> compositor?
[14:15] <holstein> i would look at the settings in the terminal and see that they are set to the transparency you are wanting
[14:15] <holstein> cifadam: something that will facilitate transparency...
[14:15] <cifadam> in terminal settins, everything seems normal, i doublechecked
[14:15] <cifadam> also i installed some other terminal emulators
[14:16] <cifadam> nothings changed about transparenc
[14:16] <cifadam> y
[14:16] <cifadam> i think i've lost some libraries about transparency while erasing gnome
[14:16] <cifadam> is that possible?
[14:17] <holstein> cifadam: yup.. i think its possible you broke some config.. i would probably make a new user and test there
[14:17] <cifadam> ok, i'll try it
[14:18] <cifadam> by the way
[14:18] <cifadam> is there any simple way to complete reset of grub
[14:18] <holstein> cifadam: not aure what you mean by "reset".. there is sudo update-grub
[14:18] <cifadam> because my visual settings of grub is completely terrible
[14:18] <cifadam> visual reset i mean
[14:18] <cifadam> fonts, sizes etc.
[14:19] <holstein> !grub | cifadam
[14:19] <holstein> that is what i refer to when configuring grub cifadam ...if you are using another application to manage it, i would expect breakage
[14:20] <cifadam> yes, probably it's about grub-customize, but is it the solution to uninstall it?
[14:22] <holstein> cifadam: the solution would be to understand what grub-customize is doing to grub, and undo that before you uninstall... but there are ways to restore grub linked above
[14:22] <holstein> gotta run...
[14:23] <cifadam> ok, thank you holstein and others
[15:00] <melodie_> hi
[15:00] <melodie_> I would like to find out where are located the configurations for the desktop in the LiveCD ?
[15:01] <melodie_> not the ones which are dedicated to the new created users after install, but the one for the live itself ?
[15:02] <holstein> melodie_: what is your goal? to make a persistent live USB? make your own live CD?
[15:02] <melodie_> hi holstein I am trying to make a spin out of Xubuntu, with another set of colours
[15:02] <melodie_> I am using Ubuntu builder for this purpose
[15:03] <melodie_> https://code.google.com/p/ubuntu-builder/
[15:03] <holstein> melodie_: every now and then i try making a custom iso.. not sure what i suggest trying
[15:03] <melodie_> I am not sure it is the most appropriate tool, but I am just discovering for now.
[15:04] <melodie_> what I don't know is where the configuration for the Live Desktop is located
[15:04] <melodie_> I have tried to read the docs here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization
[15:04] <holstein> yup.. thats what i usually reference
[15:05] <melodie_> but the information does not match with what I see in the xubuntu
[15:05] <melodie_> ie:
[15:05] <holstein> i was using UCK and had issues with using a custom kernel
[15:05] <holstein> melodie_: should be quite similar.. what information doesnt match?
[15:05] <melodie_> "Generally background files are located in /usr/share/backgrounds. Copy your png file there, adjust owner and file access, and edit the files:
[15:05] <melodie_>     /usr/share/gnome-background-properties/ubuntu-wallpapers.xml and "
[15:05] <melodie_> this one
[15:06] <melodie_> when I look for something similar, this file can't be found
[15:06] <melodie_> melodie@astro:/usr/share$ pwd
[15:06] <melodie_> /usr/share
[15:06] <melodie_> melodie@astro:/usr/share$ find . -name "*-wallpapers.xml"
[15:06] <melodie_> melodie@astro:/usr/share$
[15:06] <melodie_> see what I mean ?
[15:06] <holstein> melodie_: i was doing that with gnome in ubntu 10.04, so im not sure i can offer any clarity.. i would probably just search for where the current walleper is
[15:07] <holstein> i would consider just renaming the one i want to use and putting it in place of the one thats there
[15:07] <melodie_> I want to change not only wallpaper but also the settings of the panel
[15:07] <melodie_> and the window manager
[15:07] <holstein> melodie_: cool..i would chip away one at a time... settings i would expect to find from poking around on a live CD
[15:07] <melodie_> therefore I have placed the configuration files under /etc/skel, but for what the live get's it's own I have no idea where it is
[15:08] <holstein> melodie_: the folks i know who do this and are really successful just do it by hand.. in a chroot or whatever
[15:08] <melodie_> I can chroot, no problem with that, but I don't know where the configs for live are located. Not a clue
[15:08] <melodie_> I tried to search before
[15:09] <holstein> i would consider emailing a dev mailing list.. i would think i could just find what i need poking around on the live CD
[15:09] <melodie_> dev ml seems a good idea to me. where are the devs of xubuntu ?
[15:10] <melodie_> oh, do you want to see a shot of my desktop in Xubuntu ? :)
[15:10] <holstein> sure... you can link that here, or in the offtopic channel if you feel we are straying from support to "chat"
[15:10] <melodie_> http://meets.free.fr/debian/images/xubuntu-brown.png
[15:10] <melodie_> I am looking for support.
[15:11] <holstein> nice.. makes me want to go bowling ;)
[15:11] <melodie_> ^^
[15:12] <melodie_> I have found a few walls at gnome-look.org, matching the idea of a brown desktop.
[15:12] <melodie_> I liked this one for it's lights and general look.
[15:12] <melodie_> I have done a full tarball with the configuration files as well.
[15:13] <melodie_> I mean the ones from the /home/user, and one for plymouth, and lighdm,
[15:13] <melodie_> grub customize would need an install on another machine, this one has several distros and I didn't want to break the main bootloader.
[15:13] <holstein> i would maybe try #ubuntu-beginners-team... try and find someone who had done exactly what you are trying to do
[15:14] <melodie_> thanks, I'll try there  : didn't know this chan
[15:18] <martinphone> thunar doesnt allow multiple tabs as, for instance, nautilus. How do I make nautilus the default file manager? and what other file managers that allow multiple tabs do you recommend?
[15:21] <holstein> i might try pcmanfm
[15:23] <holstein> this is interesting http://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?f=142&t=55352&start=0 ...i would not do nautilus just because of the wight of it.. i dont think its worth it to just add tabs
[15:24] <martinphone> ok, if I cannot make nautilus default, how do I adda n icon to access it in accessories?
[15:24] <holstein> martinphone: you can install, and make nautilus default if you like
[15:25] <holstein> i would look at editing the menu with something like alacarte maybe?
[15:25] <knome> pcmanfm has tabs, and it's lighter
[15:32] <martinphone> ill give pcman a try
[15:33] <martinphone> iwith alacarte i found bulrename, can I rename 500 files in several folders with that?
[15:33] <martinphone> bulk
[15:45] <martinphone> pcman always resest my view mode to icon and I want it list
[15:49] <melodie_> martinphone, have you logged out after you changed the setting ?
[15:49] <melodie_> which version pcmanfm do you have ?
[15:49] <martinphone> melodie_, no I just closed and opened
[15:49] <martinphone> the one from the repos
[15:49] <martinphone> 0.9.10
[15:50] <martinphone> i assumed it is a discontunued project, am i wrong?
[15:51] <melodie_> yes you are wrong
[15:51] <melodie_> version 1.0 and 1.0.1 are on their way
[15:52] <martinphone> im looking for a git or a ppa
[15:53] <melodie_> http://blog.lxde.org/?p=939
[15:53] <melodie_> good idea
[15:54] <martinphone> im toot ired to compile
[15:55] <melodie_> you need to get libfm same version too
[15:55] <melodie_> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pcmanfm/1.0-0ubuntu1
[15:55] <melodie_> it will be available in quantal. :/
[16:04] <melodie_> bye
[16:14] <milen8204> I just installed an copy of Xubuntu 12.04. I tried to start video in youtube but I couldn't. I have installed flash player but nothing happed.
[16:16] <holstein> milen8204: i usually install chrome as a troubleshooting step since it has flash built-in.. you can try going to http://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/
[16:16] <holstein> milen8204: if you "using installed a copy of xubuntu 12.04" that doesnt come with flash... so maybe you installed flash as well? how?
[16:17] <v1adimir> yeah, chrome or chromium, it's the simplest way
[16:18] <milen8204> holstein, I went to the download page http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/ , adn installed version for Ubuntu 10.04+
[16:18] <milen8204> and*
[16:19] <holstein> milen8204: i would not go to the download page..i woud open the package manager of your choice and search for flash... this is usually what i do and suggest
[16:19] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash#A32_bit_Ubuntu
[16:30] <n2diy> GridCube, want to try again?
[16:32] <GridCube> :) sure why not
[16:33] <GridCube> though im being extremely laggy today n2diy
[16:33] <n2diy> GridCube, ok starting out with a virgin install, and a different VGA card. Roger on laggy, TGIF!
[16:35] <n2diy> The new VGA card is a Radeon RV1000, my other Nvidia card would boot, but I had no display.
[16:37] <n2diy> So, I had success with VLC media player installed via the USC, let me try that first, or would you rather xubuntu restricted extras?
[16:37] <GridCube> yes
[16:37] <GridCube> that is essential
[16:38] <GridCube> they allow you to play restricted codecs, like mp3 and stuff, its very important
[16:43] <n2diy> GridCube, ok, that explains why the backup box can play some stuff, but not other stuff. I only installed VLC media player on it. Ok, I'm installing restricted on the test box. Any prefrences as to which installer I use?
[16:44] <GridCube> not really
[16:44] <GridCube> i just usually apt-get it because its faster to type
[16:45] <n2diy> ok.
[17:14] <n2diy> GridCube, restricted extras installed, youtube not working, installing VLC media player via USC.
[17:14] <GridCube> :/
[17:15] <GridCube> i dont understand why youtube wont work
[17:16] <GridCube> n2diy, on a terminal run: sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install flashplugin-installer
[17:17] <n2diy> I don't either!?. Ok, when VLC is done cooking, I run those.
[17:24] <David-A> n2diy: you have had this problem for at least 3 days now
[17:25] <n2diy> David-A, I've had this problem since 7/9, I just decided to address it 3 days ago!
[17:25] <David-A> n2diy: what does about:config in firefox or chromium say. does it list the flash plugin?
[17:26] <n2diy> David-A, I'll check when apt-get finishes.
[17:27] <marsje> What do I do if after login all my windows borders have disappeared and won't come back? All windows end up in the upper left corner without title bar :(
[17:27] <marsje> I had it before and someone told me to delete a file and then it worked, but I forgot which file it was
[17:28] <TheSheep> marsje: press alt+f2 and type 'xfwm4' and press enter
[17:29] <marsje> TheSheep: that works :)
[17:29] <marsje> TheSheep: so what is happening?
[17:30] <TheSheep> marsje: for some reason your window manager didn't start or it started but crashed
[17:30] <n2diy> David-A, Says I might void my warranty!? But I'm past that, what am I looking for, flash?
[17:31] <marsje> TheSheep: the funny thing is that I've had it with both ubuntu as xubuntu
[17:32] <David-A> n2diy: sorry not about:config, but about:plugins (by the way, about:config is safe if you dont change anything)
[17:35] <n2diy> David-A, roger.
[17:38] <n2diy> David-A, ok, that lists Shockwave Flash; libflashplayer.so; shockwave flash 11.2r202, and two mime types, swf and spl.
[17:41] <David-A> n2diy: that sound okay, flashplayer is installed
[17:43] <n2diy> David-A, let me go see what jockey thinks of my vga drivers.
[17:44] <Troy^> I'm trying to install 32bit java on my 64bit system. Apparently the 32bit java will work better with a java game I'm trying to play but i get this when trying to covert the .rpm package to a debian package
[17:44] <Troy^> troy@Troy-Box:~/Downloads$ sudo alien jre-7u6-linux-i586.rpm
[17:44] <Troy^> Warning: Skipping conversion of scripts in package jre: postinst postrm prerm
[17:44] <Troy^> Warning: Use the --scripts parameter to include the scripts.
[17:44] <Troy^> jre-7u6-linux-i586.rpm is for architecture i386 ; the package cannot be built on this system
[17:45] <n2diy> David-A, GridCube, jockey doesn't suggest any drivers.
[17:46] <GridCube> :/
[17:46] <GridCube> n2diy, your computer surpass me
[17:46] <GridCube> i mean, flash is installed
[17:46] <GridCube> but it wont work, your drivers dont work...
[17:47] <GridCube> i really dont know
[17:47] <holstein> did it work with the chrome browser? chromes flash?
[17:48] <n2diy> I haven't tried chromium this week, lets try that now.
[17:48] <David-A> n2diy: flash should be able to work with open source drivers. have you tested other video sites using flash?
[17:48] <holstein> i would try "chrome" since its the one with its own flash.. chromium will use the flash you are using now... i think both would be a good test
[17:50] <n2diy> holstein, installing chromium now. Synaptic didn't list chrome?
[17:51] <holstein> n2diy: correct.. its not in the repos...
[17:52] <n2diy> holstein, so chrome needs to be compiled?
[17:53] <holstein> there are packages for ubuntu here n2diy https://www.google.com/intl/en/chrome/browser/?&brand=CHMB&utm_campaign=en&utm_source=en-ha-na-us-sk&utm_medium=ha
[17:53] <holstein> i didnt realize that link was so nasty https://www.google.com/intl/en/chrome/browser/
[17:55] <David-A> n2diy: (in general, to install open source programs not in the repos, there are usually two simple ways: add a "ppa" to "software sources" and install as normal using USC or synaptic or apt-get, or download a .deb and double click it.)
[17:58] <n2diy> David-A, holstein, GridCube, ok, opened chromium, went to youtube, and tried to play Cosmos episode 1, and I'm told I'm missing a plugin, of course it doesn't tell me what I'm missing.
[17:59] <n2diy> and chromium crashed.
[17:59] <holstein> n2diy: its a flash site, correct? how about in chrome, which has its own version of flash that is not the one yo are currently using?
[17:59] <n2diy> holstein, let me install chrome.
[18:05] <xubuntu963> hello
[18:06] <xubuntu963> I have a question, how can I tell if my lubuntu supports multi-core?
[18:06] <TheSheep> "supports"?
[18:06] <xubuntu963> I am running it on a 4Core nettop computer
[18:06] <xubuntu963> I can not tell if it is utilizing all the cores
[18:06] <TheSheep> it is
[18:06] <xubuntu963> would like to know how to check this.
[18:07] <TheSheep> there is no way to make it not utilize them, as far as I know
[18:08] <holstein> applications can not use them, but thats got nothing to do with *buntu, or the kernels which are the same across the versions and support multicore
[18:08] <xubuntu963> Ok... When using regular ubuntu, there was the some GUI which displayed cpu usage for each cpu
[18:08] <xubuntu963> can not find this on lubuntu
[18:08] <TheSheep> xubuntu963: system monitor
[18:09] <TheSheep> xubuntu963: I don't know about lubuntu (this is a xubuntu channel), but xubuntu has it installed by default, afair
[18:10] <TheSheep> xubuntu963: you can probably install it with synaptic, or open a terminal and type 'top'
[18:10] <xubuntu963> I will try now
[18:12] <xubuntu963> another question which is more lightweight Xcfe or lxde ?
[18:13] <GridCube> l
[18:13] <n2diy> David-A, holstein, GridCube, ok, opened chrome, went to youtube, and tried to play Cosmos episode 1, and I'm told I'm missing a plugin, of course it doesn't tell me what I'm missing.
[18:14] <holstein> n2diy: how about the flash test site i linked? does it say?
[18:15] <n2diy> holstein, I don't see the link?
[18:16] <holstein> n2diy: http://www.adobe.com/software/flash/about/
[18:16] <holstein> n2diy: are you running chrome? try from the terminal to be sure.. chrome-browser
[18:17] <holstein> n2diy: sorry... 'google-chrome' from the terminal
[18:17] <David-A> xubuntu963: afak lxde is lighter than xfce
[18:17] <xubuntu963> Thanks...
[18:20] <David-A> xubuntu963: with "top" in a terminal, press: f j RETURN   then you will get a column "P" that is the processor number (with dual core you will see 0s and 1s, with quad core 0s, 1s, 2s and 3s)
[18:23] <n2diy> holstein, I don't see anything telling me my flash version, just available versions. And there is a bug displaying a broken link symbol, and when I hover over it, it displays "couldn't load plugin" When i right click on it, and then inspect element, the first line is "/fpdownload.macromedia.com/get/shockwave/cabs/flash/"
[18:23] <n2diy> bug/box
[18:26] <holstein> n2diy: are you "up to date" with all upgrades? is this 12.04? 32bit?
[18:26] <holstein> n2diy: would you mind creating a new user account, logging in, and running "google-chrome" and trying to go to that flash verison site?
[18:27] <n2diy> holstein, yes, as of an hour ago, Xu 12.04 32 bit.
[18:30] <n2diy> rebooted, nothing changed except my uptime. :/
[18:30] <David-A> n2diy: I have not experienced it myself BUT "some" says there can be problems with flash if one installs it in multiple folders, even if the same version, "they" say. I am not sure if I believe "them", but maybe you have tried install flash multiple times using different methods. if so, and if "they" are right, you should try undo all installs except one.
[18:31] <n2diy> David-A, to avoid that, I started with a virgin install of 12.04, formatted both partitions, / and /home.
[18:32] <David-A> n2diy: good thinking
[18:32] <n2diy> I'm working on my test box, so re-installing isn't an issue, other than time.
[18:32] <holstein> chrome has its own... how about as a new user n2diy ?
[18:32] <n2diy> holstein, create a new user?
[18:32] <holstein> n2diy: would you mind creating a new user account, logging in, and running "google-chrome" and trying to go to that flash verison site?
[18:33] <n2diy> ok.
[18:37] <n2diy> holstein, no change with the new user trying to play Cosmos ep. 1.
[18:38] <n2diy> and I skipped importing my settings from google, so...
[18:39] <holstein> n2diy: right.. dont try and play anything.. just go to the flash site.. whats that say?
[18:41] <holstein> this is in google-chrome? can you take a screenshot from google-chrome when you are on that flash version site?
[18:45] <n2diy> holstein, same thing as with the previous user.
[18:45] <holstein> n2diy: cool.. i understand... did you see my post above?
[18:45] <n2diy> roger on the screenshot.
[18:45] <holstein> in google-chrome can you take a screenshot from google-chrome when you are on that flash version site?
[18:48] <n2diy> holstein, any suggestions on how to get the screenshot from the test box to you? I can setup ftp, bring it to this box, or logout here, and login to irc with the test box?
[18:48] <holstein> i would just put it on imagebin
[18:51] <n2diy> holstein, ok, screenshot.png is on imagebin with the title flash is a pita.
[18:52] <holstein> for future reference, this is typically what folks like to get http://imagebin.org/225746
[18:54] <n2diy> ah, ok, never used imagebin before.
[18:54] <holstein> n2diy: type chrome:plugins in the address bar
[18:55] <n2diy> ok, want a screenshot of that?
[18:55] <holstein> n2diy: is what im reading http://pastebin.com/g37vW9KN
[18:56] <holstein> n2diy: try this suggestion and report
[18:57] <holstein> n2diy: this is easy as well.. hold down shift and click reload on that page
[18:58] <n2diy> holstein, chrome:plugins only shows one flash player.
[18:58] <holstein> n2diy: cool, and you tried the shift click on reload?
[18:59] <n2diy> yes, same thing.
[18:59] <holstein> i suppose what i would do next is try a live CD that comes with flash.. something like mint should i think
[18:59] <holstein> wouldnt hurt to test the memory and/or hard drive
[19:00] <holstein> n2diy: you could talk down your install process? maybe you are doing something to break functionality?
[19:01] <holstein> have you ever had flash working in an ubuntu distro on that machine? what kind of machine is it?
[19:04] <n2diy> ok, I have my xubuntu disks, knoppix 6.0, and puppy 5.11. Flash is partially working on my backup box, so I doubt it is my install process. Not sure if I ever had flash working on the test box, it's a generic box with an AOpen AK790D-400MAX motherboard.
[19:04] <holstein> n2diy: partially working?
[19:05] <David-A> n2diy, holstein: the infobar in your chrome says "shockwave flash has crashed". is it the same with other browsers and other video sites? we should try find if and where a crash log may be.
[19:05] <holstein> n2diy: so, you dont want to share your install process for troubleshooting purposes? .. thats fine.. i suggested mint becuase it would be a live CD that would include flash
[19:05] <holstein> if its "crashing" maybe you just dont have th resources to support the overhead of flash
[19:06] <n2diy> holstein, yes, I can play some episodes of Cosmos, and not others.
[19:06] <holstein> n2diy: so, flash works, and some videos dont play?
[19:06] <n2diy> holestein, sure I share my process, what exactly do you need to know? I install from the CD, and manually partition.
[19:07] <holstein> n2diy: anything relavant really... dont know.. all i konw is you are the only one here not able to use flash, and im trying to determine why
[19:07] <holstein> n2diy: i would look at the hardware specs.. maybe its just not enough to handle the load, and its crashing
[19:08] <holstein> i have an eeepc900... an old celeron 900 in there.. i dont even bother with flash on it
[19:08] <holstein> does it work? sometimes.. sometimes it crashes, or locks up
[19:09] <holstein> n2diy: i might try isolaing the graphics driver.. maybe try adding a custom xorg.conf file with the vesa driver specified
[19:10] <holstein> isolating*
[19:16] <n2diy> holstein, ok, the mom board is running an athlon at 1463mhz with 1 gig of ram. GridCube did suspect VGA problems, so I switched VGA cards, but they are both old, so that didn't prove anything. Jockey doesn't show any alt. VGA drivers. No more vid cards to try, but I got some mom boards to test.
[19:18] <n2diy> rebooting with knoppix.
[19:20] <n2diy> knoppix complained about undefined video modes?
[19:21] <holstein> n2diy: yeah, i would trust GridCube 's accessment.. i would want to force the vesa driver  for testing
[19:23] <n2diy> holstein, knoppix dropped me into a text shell! So I can't surf with that. How do I force the vesa driver?
[19:24] <GridCube> n2diy, !
[19:24] <GridCube> !vesa
[19:24] <GridCube> wow that was helpful ubottu
[19:24] <holstein> n2diy: i usually use the puppy wizard.. sometimes i grab the xorg from there or knoppix
[19:24] <holstein> n2diy: this would take your current graphics driver out of the equation
[19:25] <n2diy> what, I think I have X running with knoppix?
[19:25] <holstein> n2diy: you'll know.. it'll look less "texty"
[19:25] <n2diy> Compize fusion?
[19:25] <holstein> n2diy: im assuming you are not installing compiz... thats correct, right?
[19:29] <n2diy> holstein, it was a splash screen that popped up while X was loading. Went to youtube, and couldn't play Cosmos, going to the flash sight now.
[19:29] <holstein> n2diy: i would not go to "cosmos" whatever that means.. i would only go to the flash test site first
[19:30] <holstein> n2diy: cosmos is not a good "baseline" ... cosmos could be crashing flash, and then all is borked after that
[19:34] <n2diy> holstein, ok, it plays on my backup box, that's why I was using it for a baseline. went to the adobe  /flash/about/ website, and same thing, doesn't tell me any version info.
[19:35] <holstein> n2diy: backup box? another machine?.. thats great.. how about the vesa driver on the machine in question?
[19:35] <GridCube> n2diy, with version of ff are you using?
[19:35] <GridCube> wich
[19:37] <GridCube> n2diy, wait, this is the third video card you try and fail, might it be, maybe, that the mobo is dying?
[19:37] <n2diy> GridCube, I'm not, running iceweasel from the knoppix 6.0 disk! holstein, yes three boxes here, this one, the mission critical box, the test box, the one we are playing with, and the backup box, which plays some youtube stuff.
[19:37] <n2diy> Let me go back and look at the vesa info.
[19:40] <n2diy> holstein, GridCube, ok, so to use the VESA driver I can just rename xorg.conf.
[19:40] <GridCube> dunno
[19:40] <holstein> n2diy: i would create a custom xorg.conf specifiying the vesa driver.. im assuming you dont have an xorg.conf
[19:43] <n2diy> holstein, no xorg.conf in /etc/X11, which is where I think it resides?
[19:44] <n2diy> nope, locate doesn't show any xorg.conf files, just xorg.conf.d
[19:45] <GridCube> n2diy, as i told you the other day, xorg.conf is not really needed anymore, unless you want something special like vesa drivers, you gotta create it
[19:47] <GridCube> using sudo Xorg --configure from a terminal shoudl create one
[19:48] <n2diy> GridCube, roger that. GridCube, holstein I'm now looking at ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=7711766, what do you think?
[19:50] <n2diy> see if I can make a link out of that?
[19:50] <GridCube> yep i think that should work
[19:51] <GridCube> i hate xorg.conf in any case and never use it, but that should hopefully work
[19:51] <n2diy> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=7711766
[19:51] <holstein> i only use it to force vesa for troubleshooting really
[19:52] <holstein> its easy to test and blow it out from a live CD or recovery if it breaks the boot
[19:54] <n2diy> GridCube, holstein, ok, copy and paste that stuff into a text file, name it xorg.conf, and put it in /etc/X11/?
[19:55] <GridCube> yep
[19:59] <n2diy> I don't have permission to do that, have to open up the editor with sudo. :/
[20:01] <n2diy> rebooting.
[20:05] <n2diy> GridCube, holstein, X didn't start, ran start X and it failed.
[20:05] <n2diy> startx
[20:05] <Troy^> anyone here play runescape
[20:05] <Troy^> n2diy, sudo startx
[20:06] <holstein> n2diy: that can happen.. thats why i like to make sure im comfortable blowing that file out in case...
[20:06] <n2diy> holstein, ok, rn is rename right?
[20:06] <holstein> i use move, or rm n2diy
[20:07] <holstein> n2diy: i would probably try just using this in there http://pastebin.com/usJeib87
[20:07] <holstein> or, using whatever works with puppy or knoppix and just edit the driver line to vesa
[20:08] <n2diy> holstein, ok, rmed it, rebooting.
[20:09] <holstein> n2diy: yeah, but thats right back where you were, having not tried the vesa driver.. might want to try another option.. you know what happens with no xorg.conf in place
[20:10] <GridCube> n2diy, try the tinycore iso, it comes with vesa by default and you can install flash to it: http://wiki.tinycorelinux.net/wiki:flash_player
[20:11] <holstein> yeah, thats a great way to troubleshoot flash with vesa.. easy
[20:11]  * holstein bookmarking that GridCube ! good call
[20:14] <n2diy> holstein, GridCube, ok, trying the second xorg.conf.
[20:18] <n2diy> GridCube, ok, have to DL it and burn a CD.
[20:29] <n2diy> holstein, GridCube, umm, this isn't an iso? Not making sense of the instructions, stage 1 using the appbrowser... What is the appbrowser?
[20:29] <holstein> n2diy: this?..
[20:29] <GridCube> n2diy, that asumes you are already using the tinycore livecd
[20:30] <GridCube> http://distro.ibiblio.org/tinycorelinux/welcome.html
[20:33] <n2diy> ok, DLing the iso.
[20:40] <n2diy> burning the image.
[20:41] <n2diy> rebooting
[20:42] <n2diy> GridCube, holstein, ok, booted into tinycore.
[20:43] <GridCube> great, install firefox
[20:43] <GridCube> and then follow that guide
[20:44] <GridCube> (just open the appbrowser to install stuff)
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[21:05] <n2diy> wrong channel dummy
[21:14] <recon_lap> so glad that people like newgmae are to dumb to use ubuntu
[21:15] <knome> n2diy, recon_lap: just let it be. cheers!
[21:18] <n2diy> cheers and beers!
[21:21] <Skippersboss> Too tired for the beers. Falling asleep on platform
[21:21] <recon_lap> even free beers?
[21:21] <n2diy> free beer, where!?
[21:21] <Skippersboss> Don't temp me lol
[21:22] <recon_lap> have not bothered with beers in a long time
[21:24] <n2diy> ran into a six pack last night, today had a slow start.
[21:24] <Skippersboss> If its only the one (wheatbeer) I could be persuaded
[21:26] <knome> please take the beer-talk to -ot
[21:37] <Troy^> it seems as though everytime i kill the pidgin process it relaunches?
[21:38] <Troy^> ugh 64 black dragons lol
[21:44] <Troy^> glass of beer and slayer
[22:00] <Troy^> .stats hey_jason
[22:20] <knome> Troy^, can you cut the useless comments?
[22:20] <knome> Troy^, re: piding, sounds weird. are you sure you are killing the right process?