| slangasek | infinity, stgraber: there haven't been any further reports of 1017001 since flipping the switch, that I can see; it seems it may truly have been specific to users doing strange things like running mythbuntu 10.04 without updates applied. I think we can take it off our worry list now. | 00:41 |
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| stgraber | well, that's very good news | 00:43 |
| infinity | slangasek: See, and I was just about to say that I ran into it in production. | 01:05 |
| infinity | slangasek: And the only solution here was to install the upstart interdependant mess before proceding with the rest. | 01:06 |
| infinity | slangasek: That's a pretty big update-manager change, but I wonder if it wouldn't just be the right thing to do. :/ | 01:06 |
| infinity | It's a short list: upstart initramfs-tools initramfs-tools-bin udev initscripts ifupdown mountall plymouth | 01:10 |
| infinity | Upgrading those first seems to make the rest of the process a bit more resilient. | 01:10 |
| infinity | (And yeah, I literally JUST ran into this on my powerpc/lucid machine when I upgraded it to precise, and it wasn't mythbuntu) | 01:11 |
| infinity | It was, however, a debootstrap + ubuntu-desktop by-hand install, not something from lucid media. | 01:11 |
| stgraber | and I guess in your case, was fully up to date before the dist-upgrade | 01:12 |
| infinity | stgraber: Yeah, I updated it to -updates before doing the upgrade, cause I didn't want problems. :P | 01:13 |
| infinity | All of those packages are Priority:required, so it wouldn't (in theory) do any harm to just force an install of all of them before the rest of the upgrade. | 01:13 |
| infinity | Given that if they're not installed, we really think they should be. | 01:14 |
| xnox | infinity: does this mean your powerpc machine is now back alive and operational? | 01:16 |
| * xnox \0/ | 01:16 | |
| infinity | xnox: My PowerStation is on and being a wind-tunnel again. | 01:16 |
| infinity | xnox: It's not my only PPC machine. :P | 01:16 |
| xnox | =)))))) nice | 01:16 |
| xnox | show off | 01:16 |
| * jocarter wonders if infinity, xnox and stgraber ever stop working | 01:17 | |
| stgraber | infinity: I can't remember if the dist-upgrader actually has a feature to force a given list of packages to upgrade before doing the main upgrade | 01:17 |
| infinity | jocarter: For about 28 minutes on Thursday afternoons. | 01:17 |
| infinity | stgraber: I'm not sure either, though it seems like a sane thing to be able to do to influence things a bit. | 01:17 |
| stgraber | infinity: I know it has a list of packages to ensure are installed post-upgrade and a list of stuff to cleanup | 01:17 |
| jocarter | infinity: heh | 01:17 |
| stgraber | agreed, if it doesn't support it, it should | 01:17 |
| xnox | jocarter: i'm not working. i'm just breaking archive by uploading incompatible versions of mumble ;-) | 01:18 |
| stgraber | jocarter: well, at least for me there's a pretty big difference between talking in #ubuntu-release and working ;) | 01:18 |
| stgraber | xnox: bah, who uses quantal anyway? :) | 01:19 |
| infinity | stgraber: Hrm, there's [PreRequists](sic) in the .cfg, but that's to install from $old_release, not $new_release. | 01:20 |
| stgraber | infinity: I also suppose we want the dist-upgrader to use the backported apt to install these packages? | 01:22 |
| infinity | stgraber: Possibly. They'll end up depending on a newer dpkg and libc anyway, I imagine. I'm not sure apt itself matters much for such a small set. | 01:23 |
| infinity | stgraber: But, since the whole thing operates with the release-upgrader-python-apt, the point seems moot. | 01:23 |
| infinity | stgraber: Oh, hrm. Prereqs is actually entirely unclever. It just uses a separate sources.list and then installs what you asked for. I wonder if we couldn't just call back into that exact same method for a PreInstall or something that runs between PreReq and Upgrade. | 01:27 |
| infinity | Or UpgradeFirst might be a better name for it, so it's obvious it's something you can't go back from. | 01:28 |
| infinity | But whatever. | 01:28 |
| infinity | Still, this is all a pretty huge potential change for code that's been heavily tested without it. :/ | 01:29 |
| infinity | And we have exactly one reliable reproducer for the bug, which is about as helpful as using a puppy as a television remote control. | 01:30 |
| xnox | don't be cruel to animals! | 01:30 |
| infinity | Don't worry, the puppy thinks it's a fun game. The only harm done is to your sanity when the channel doesn't change, no matter how you rub his tummy. | 01:31 |
| * xnox =) | 01:32 | |
| xnox | infinity: i think you should be on Ubuntu TV design team =) | 01:32 |
| xnox | and fix puppy remotes onces and for all! | 01:33 |
| * infinity reboots to finish the upgrade and crosses his fingers. | 01:44 | |
| infinity | Hrm. "Not a valid ELF image". | 01:45 |
| infinity | Thanks, yaboot. | 01:46 |
| infinity | That's probably my fault, though. Cobbled-together cross-grade from YDL to Debian to Ubuntu. | 01:46 |
| xnox | it's sad to see installs outliving distributions | 01:47 |
| infinity | Ouch, and the old kernel explodes with udev having a sad. | 01:49 |
| infinity | *sigh* | 01:49 |
| infinity | This'll be fun to recover. | 01:49 |
| infinity | For some value of "fun" that involves a Debian CD and some luck. | 01:50 |
| infinity | Ah-ha, just needed a newer version of yaboot. | 02:04 |
| infinity | The upgrade really should update that. :/ | 02:04 |
| infinity | Welcome to Ubuntu 12.04.1 LTS (GNU/Linux 3.2.0-29-powerpc64-smp ppc64) | 02:05 |
| infinity | I win! | 02:05 |
| infinity | Well, I kinda win. If X wasn't now spinning at 100% and not drawing pretty pictures... | 02:06 |
| slangasek | infinity: oh, huh. was it on a fully-updated system? | 02:15 |
| slangasek | ah, you say it was | 02:15 |
| infinity | ioctl(7, 0x20006444, 0) = -1 EBUSY (Device or resource busy) | 02:16 |
| infinity | Really, X? That's a spiffy infinity loop. | 02:16 |
| infinity | infinite, too. | 02:16 |
| infinity | Seems my nick has broken my ability to type "infinite". | 02:17 |
| infinity | Oh hey, finally. | 02:49 |
| infinity | Oh, armel is still building. Drat. | 02:49 |
| infinity | Nobody worry about that linux build in quantal-proposed, I've got a d-i upload queued later to go with it. | 02:52 |
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| phillw | hot off the press bug 1041532 | 11:56 |
| ubot2` | Launchpad bug 1041532 in ubiquity "A update process in Ubiquity caused it to crash" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1041532 | 11:56 |
| smartboyhw | Hi. Did phillw give you the bug that I just reported? | 11:59 |
| phillw | smartboyhw: yes I did | 12:00 |
| smartboyhw | Thanks phillw | 12:04 |
| phillw | any release team still awake? | 18:00 |
| phillw | I've suggested Ubiquity... http://pastebin.com/Z0wCgj0B | 18:02 |
| tumbleweed | the fontocnfig warning is benign | 18:03 |
| phillw | tumbleweed: so, what more data do you guys need? | 18:04 |
| tumbleweed | no idea wthat the problem is, but this isn't really a support channel | 18:04 |
| phillw | he he.. it is the release channel, and this is a 12.10 issue :P | 18:04 |
| tumbleweed | #ubuntu+1 | 18:05 |
| phillw | okies, I'll head there, thanks | 18:05 |
| xnox | tumbleweed: known problem new fontconfig became too 'chatty' and picky what it believes are sane font configs shipped with fonts, mostly harmless. | 18:11 |
| tumbleweed | yeah. doesn't stop machines from booting, though | 18:11 |
| xnox | tumbleweed: yeah, but rather annoying to see them on every application launch from the terminal | 18:12 |
| tumbleweed | that's presumably a broken X of some sort | 18:12 |
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