[00:41] infinity, stgraber: there haven't been any further reports of 1017001 since flipping the switch, that I can see; it seems it may truly have been specific to users doing strange things like running mythbuntu 10.04 without updates applied. I think we can take it off our worry list now. [00:43] well, that's very good news [01:05] slangasek: See, and I was just about to say that I ran into it in production. [01:06] slangasek: And the only solution here was to install the upstart interdependant mess before proceding with the rest. [01:06] slangasek: That's a pretty big update-manager change, but I wonder if it wouldn't just be the right thing to do. :/ [01:10] It's a short list: upstart initramfs-tools initramfs-tools-bin udev initscripts ifupdown mountall plymouth [01:10] Upgrading those first seems to make the rest of the process a bit more resilient. [01:11] (And yeah, I literally JUST ran into this on my powerpc/lucid machine when I upgraded it to precise, and it wasn't mythbuntu) [01:11] It was, however, a debootstrap + ubuntu-desktop by-hand install, not something from lucid media. [01:12] and I guess in your case, was fully up to date before the dist-upgrade [01:13] stgraber: Yeah, I updated it to -updates before doing the upgrade, cause I didn't want problems. :P [01:13] All of those packages are Priority:required, so it wouldn't (in theory) do any harm to just force an install of all of them before the rest of the upgrade. [01:14] Given that if they're not installed, we really think they should be. [01:16] infinity: does this mean your powerpc machine is now back alive and operational? [01:16] * xnox \0/ [01:16] xnox: My PowerStation is on and being a wind-tunnel again. [01:16] xnox: It's not my only PPC machine. :P [01:16] =)))))) nice [01:16] show off [01:17] * jocarter wonders if infinity, xnox and stgraber ever stop working [01:17] infinity: I can't remember if the dist-upgrader actually has a feature to force a given list of packages to upgrade before doing the main upgrade [01:17] jocarter: For about 28 minutes on Thursday afternoons. [01:17] stgraber: I'm not sure either, though it seems like a sane thing to be able to do to influence things a bit. [01:17] infinity: I know it has a list of packages to ensure are installed post-upgrade and a list of stuff to cleanup [01:17] infinity: heh [01:17] agreed, if it doesn't support it, it should [01:18] jocarter: i'm not working. i'm just breaking archive by uploading incompatible versions of mumble ;-) [01:18] jocarter: well, at least for me there's a pretty big difference between talking in #ubuntu-release and working ;) [01:19] xnox: bah, who uses quantal anyway? :) [01:20] stgraber: Hrm, there's [PreRequists](sic) in the .cfg, but that's to install from $old_release, not $new_release. [01:22] infinity: I also suppose we want the dist-upgrader to use the backported apt to install these packages? [01:23] stgraber: Possibly. They'll end up depending on a newer dpkg and libc anyway, I imagine. I'm not sure apt itself matters much for such a small set. [01:23] stgraber: But, since the whole thing operates with the release-upgrader-python-apt, the point seems moot. [01:27] stgraber: Oh, hrm. Prereqs is actually entirely unclever. It just uses a separate sources.list and then installs what you asked for. I wonder if we couldn't just call back into that exact same method for a PreInstall or something that runs between PreReq and Upgrade. [01:28] Or UpgradeFirst might be a better name for it, so it's obvious it's something you can't go back from. [01:28] But whatever. [01:29] Still, this is all a pretty huge potential change for code that's been heavily tested without it. :/ [01:30] And we have exactly one reliable reproducer for the bug, which is about as helpful as using a puppy as a television remote control. [01:30] don't be cruel to animals! [01:31] Don't worry, the puppy thinks it's a fun game. The only harm done is to your sanity when the channel doesn't change, no matter how you rub his tummy. [01:32] * xnox =) [01:32] infinity: i think you should be on Ubuntu TV design team =) [01:33] and fix puppy remotes onces and for all! [01:44] * infinity reboots to finish the upgrade and crosses his fingers. [01:45] Hrm. "Not a valid ELF image". [01:46] Thanks, yaboot. [01:46] That's probably my fault, though. Cobbled-together cross-grade from YDL to Debian to Ubuntu. [01:47] it's sad to see installs outliving distributions [01:49] Ouch, and the old kernel explodes with udev having a sad. [01:49] *sigh* [01:49] This'll be fun to recover. [01:50] For some value of "fun" that involves a Debian CD and some luck. [02:04] Ah-ha, just needed a newer version of yaboot. [02:04] The upgrade really should update that. :/ [02:05] Welcome to Ubuntu 12.04.1 LTS (GNU/Linux 3.2.0-29-powerpc64-smp ppc64) [02:05] I win! [02:06] Well, I kinda win. If X wasn't now spinning at 100% and not drawing pretty pictures... [02:15] infinity: oh, huh. was it on a fully-updated system? [02:15] ah, you say it was [02:16] ioctl(7, 0x20006444, 0) = -1 EBUSY (Device or resource busy) [02:16] Really, X? That's a spiffy infinity loop. [02:16] infinite, too. [02:17] Seems my nick has broken my ability to type "infinite". [02:49] Oh hey, finally. [02:49] Oh, armel is still building. Drat. [02:52] Nobody worry about that linux build in quantal-proposed, I've got a d-i upload queued later to go with it. === tkamppeter_ is now known as tkamppeter [11:56] hot off the press bug 1041532 [11:56] Launchpad bug 1041532 in ubiquity "A update process in Ubiquity caused it to crash" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1041532 [11:59] Hi. Did phillw give you the bug that I just reported? [12:00] smartboyhw: yes I did [12:04] Thanks phillw [18:00] any release team still awake? [18:02] I've suggested Ubiquity... http://pastebin.com/Z0wCgj0B [18:03] the fontocnfig warning is benign [18:04] tumbleweed: so, what more data do you guys need? [18:04] no idea wthat the problem is, but this isn't really a support channel [18:04] he he.. it is the release channel, and this is a 12.10 issue :P [18:05] #ubuntu+1 [18:05] okies, I'll head there, thanks [18:11] tumbleweed: known problem new fontconfig became too 'chatty' and picky what it believes are sane font configs shipped with fonts, mostly harmless. [18:11] yeah. doesn't stop machines from booting, though [18:12] tumbleweed: yeah, but rather annoying to see them on every application launch from the terminal [18:12] that's presumably a broken X of some sort