[09:35] <smartboyhw> knome: Are you here?
[09:35] <ochosi> hey smartboyhw 
[09:35] <ochosi> (i'm not knome though)
[09:35] <smartboyhw> ochosi: Hey
[09:36] <ochosi> just wanted to ask you 'bout lightdm greeter quickly
[09:36] <ochosi> there were discussions with folks from lubuntu on cooperating on the greeter and its design
[09:36] <ochosi> one guy created a wiki page with a few of the specifications
[09:36] <ochosi> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/frankbooth/lightdm-gtk-greeter
[09:36] <smartboyhw> ochosi: What do you mean?
[09:37] <smartboyhw> OK, looking at it now
[09:37] <ochosi> there are a few things i like about it, but others i rather dislike
[09:37] <smartboyhw> Ha, good sketch
[09:37] <ochosi> anyway, the main question was when approximately you would have time to work on it
[09:37] <ochosi> just to know when mockups etc should be in palce
[09:37] <ochosi> place
[09:38] <smartboyhw> OK.
[09:41] <ochosi> to get a plan, since UI freeze is pretty soon
[09:41] <smartboyhw> ochosi: Is it in a weel?
[09:41] <ochosi> and whatever we can get out the door before makes our lives easier
[09:41] <smartboyhw> *week
[09:41] <ochosi> yeah, approx
[09:41] <ochosi> i think thursday
[09:42] <ochosi> (off the top of my head)
[09:42] <smartboyhw> Hmm....That's a disaster.
[09:42] <ochosi> heh
[09:42] <ochosi> no worries
[09:42] <ochosi> we can file exceptions
[09:42] <smartboyhw> ochosi: :)
[09:42] <ochosi> what seems realistic for you
[09:42] <smartboyhw> ochosi: What do you mean?
[09:43] <ochosi> well i'm not sure what you discussed with mr_pouit, but i assumed you would work on implementing changes to the lightdm-gtk-greeter
[09:44] <smartboyhw> ochosi: :)
[09:48] <ochosi> soo?
[09:48] <smartboyhw> I think I'll work on it:)
[09:48] <ochosi> mkay
[09:48] <ochosi> timeframe? :)
[09:50] <Unit193> mr_pouit: Put package too https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Roadmap/Specifications/Quantal/SettingsManagerApps
[09:52] <smartboyhw> ochosi: Hi, I'm back
[09:53] <ochosi> smartboyhw: okies
[09:53] <ochosi> actually i have to leave in 4mins or so
[09:53] <smartboyhw> :)
[09:54] <ochosi> so, what would be a realistic timeframe/plan for you?
[09:54] <ochosi> (or is it too early to say because you haven't looked at the code)
[09:54] <smartboyhw> Hmm, I'm getting the source code first:)
[09:55] <ochosi> sure sure
[09:55] <ochosi> not sure what you've worked with, but most requests will involve tinkering with the .ui file (aka gtkbuilder aka glade-successor)
[09:55] <smartboyhw> :)
[09:56] <ochosi> e.g. moving the computer-name from the login-box to the top panel
[09:57] <smartboyhw> OK
[09:58] <ochosi> ok, gotta go now
[09:59] <smartboyhw> Bye
[12:48] <knome> pleia2, i bolded those sections/subpages that i consider "checked out"
[13:12] <ochosi> knome: i'm considering to skip "Find unnecessary icons and remove"
[13:12] <ochosi> it's really the hardest part of iconing, to find unused ones
[13:12] <ochosi> you never know what icons are in use by what obscure app...
[13:12] <knome> yeah, feel free to mark that as POSTPONED
[13:12] <smartboyhw> Yo ochosi: How to edit the .ui file?
[13:13] <ochosi> unless we decide to just trim down the icon-theme to a more minimal state
[13:13] <ochosi> smartboyhw: install glade or with a text-editor
[13:13] <smartboyhw> OK
[13:18] <smartboyhw> ochosi: Working on it now:)
[13:18] <ochosi> smartboyhw: ok, good luck :)
[13:20] <smartboyhw> :)
[13:49] <smartboyhw> knome: If you are here, I want to tell you a fact: The 12.10 ubiquity in Xubuntu, it sucks...
[13:49] <knome> smartboyhw, justify
[13:49] <ochosi> it will get better :)
[13:49] <ochosi> right now it's a lot of black on black
[13:49] <smartboyhw> ochosi: I agree
[13:50] <ochosi> because greybird wasn't working right i think
[13:50] <knome> okay. in that case it doesn't "suck", it has a bug
[13:50] <smartboyhw> It;s full of black:(
[13:51] <smartboyhw> Well, it looks it sucks. Sorry for using a nonsense word, it did look like that..
[13:51] <knome> one of the best qualities when filing bugs or problems is to know how to describe the problem
[13:52] <knome> "X isn't working" or "X sucks" is as helpful as nothing
[13:52] <smartboyhw> Sorry: So should I file a bug on Launchpad?
[13:52] <knome> probably not, since it's known, and people are working on it
[13:52] <smartboyhw> I apologise
[13:52] <smartboyhw> :)
[13:52] <knome> np, just trying to not waste anybody's time
[13:54] <elfy> talking of which - how to describe this one ... parole opens like this here http://imgur.com/8xTg1
[14:07] <smartboyhw> Hi I am back. Ochosi, you still here?
[14:07] <knome> smartboyhw, is there a problem?
[14:07] <smartboyhw> I want to find ochosi.
[14:08] <knome> for what reason?
[14:08] <smartboyhw> knome: BTW, status report: Testing a Quantal build of Xubuntu now
[14:08] <knome> okay
[14:08] <smartboyhw> Anyway, I recalled he has left, Find
[14:08] <smartboyhw> *Fine
[14:09] <bluesabre> elfy, what's wrong with parole?  That image looks spot-on.
[14:09] <elfy> really? 
[14:09] <elfy> never used to look like that 
[14:10] <bluesabre> Yeah, that's the new parole
[14:10] <bluesabre> 0.3.x
[14:10] <bluesabre> :)
[14:10] <elfy> oh wow LOL
[14:10] <elfy> I thought it was some graphic card glitch :)
[14:10] <bluesabre> lol
[14:10] <bluesabre> I think knome made that awesome background
[14:11] <bluesabre> or ochosi
[14:11] <bluesabre> One of those two
[14:11] <knome> i did
[14:11] <elfy> I almost reported a bug :)
[14:12] <elfy> this morning - then thought I'd wait till I asked someone how to describe it - glad I did 
[14:12] <bluesabre> Glad I caught you
[14:12] <bluesabre> :D
[14:12] <elfy> lol
[14:12] <elfy> knome: now I know it's supposed to look like it - it's ok 
[14:13] <knome> ;)
[14:13] <knome> we thought that was a cool idea
[14:13] <smartboyhw> OK, I need to add a bug to the ISO QA Tracker: VM does not reboot after installation:(
[14:14] <elfy> missed that meeting :)
[14:14] <knome> heh, that was at #shimmer i think
[14:15] <elfy> anyway - me wanders off again now - thanks for catching that bluesabre :)
[14:15] <elfy> cya all 
[14:15] <knome> see you
[14:27] <smartboyhw> knome: Reported a pass for the Quantal Daily Build amd64 (but with a VM reboot bug)
[14:27] <knome> smartboyhw, ok, thanks. but please just report, no need to specifically tell me you did.
[14:28] <smartboyhw> :)
[20:15] <knome> pleia2, morning? :)
[20:17] <knome> mr_pouit, micahg: can you drop synaptic off of our seed? ta
[23:20] <pleia2> knome: hello
[23:21] <knome> hai
[23:21] <knome> you have a few mins?
[23:23] <pleia2> sure
[23:23] <knome> great!
[23:23] <knome> so
[23:23] <knome>   * Remove (or archive) xubuntu-website, rename xubuntu-website-wordpress to replace
[23:23] <knome> thoughts?
[23:23] <knome> should we just do that?
[23:24] <pleia2> I don't know precisely how to go about it, the never-delete-anything part of me sort of wants to keep the code around even though it's for drupal5 ;)
[23:24] <pleia2> but I don't know how we could do that, if we could
[23:24] <knome> if we'd archive it, how would you like to go about it?
[23:24] <knome> new branch under the other website code?
[23:24] <pleia2> yeah
[23:25] <knome> ok
[23:25] <knome> i suppose we can do that if we ask LP admins nicely enough
[23:25] <pleia2> so pull it down, delete the project, move the other, and push it up as a new branch?
[23:25] <knome> yeah
[23:25]  * pleia2 nods
[23:25] <knome> ok, good, i'll look at that at the beginning of next week
[23:25] <knome> then
[23:25] <knome>   * Review ~xubuntu-docs (Is it technically required? Which access/permissions does it have since it's a subteam of ~ubuntu-doc?)
[23:25] <pleia2> thanks
[23:25] <pleia2> that one I don't know
[23:25] <knome> me neither
[23:26] <knome> do you know somebody who does?
[23:26] <knome> i tried shouting at #ubuntu-docs earlier, but no response
[23:26] <pleia2> would also be worth figuring out exactly what we need to do to get a couple xubuntu folks access to upload our docbook stuff once it's done
[23:26] <pleia2> I can ask on the list
[23:26] <pleia2> phillw is good about replying to me
[23:26] <knome> though i think i have a better idea now who are the people we should accept to the team, even if that team had some access
[23:27]  * pleia2 nods
[23:28] <knome> if you ask a bit more about it, let's get back to that when you've had replies
[23:28] <knome> another one:
[23:28] <knome>  [lyz] Cleanup and review community wiki: INPROGRESS
[23:28] <knome> should we do that now?
[23:29] <pleia2> I was working through it last night, have some comments, let me dig up
[23:30] <knome> got an email from elfy for improvements on making the xorg/help page better
[23:30] <knome> tbe, the forums part
[23:30] <pleia2> oh yes, I saw that, that would be great
[23:31] <knome> i'll push the changes soon
[23:31] <pleia2> I've edited the forums section a couple of times based on random feedback from people, more coherent feedback from a FC member would be win \o/
[23:31] <knome> hehe
[23:31] <pleia2> right, so I think we should mark everything for deletion (maybe english "Installing" can just link to Ubuntu installing docs
[23:32] <pleia2> except https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompizConfiguration/Cube/And/Effects/Ubuntu/Xubuntu/Lubuntu/Kubuntu/Edubuntu
[23:32] <pleia2> which we should test
[23:32] <knome> there was some discussion about that already
[23:32] <knome> but i can't remember which channel
[23:32] <pleia2> and we should talk about what to do with the XubuntuPanels page
[23:32] <knome> probably -offtopic
[23:32] <pleia2> yeah, I said I'd look a bit deeper to make sure it's what we really wanted
[23:33] <pleia2> I think XubuntuPanels is actually useful, and we would benefit from a community wiki of tips as people find them (so, not move to website)
[23:34] <knome> hmph.
[23:34] <knome> xubuntupanels was created for a factiod
[23:34] <knome> !panels
[23:34] <knome> !panels-#xubuntu
[23:34] <knome> that
[23:34] <knome> it's not a "community-written" page
[23:34] <pleia2> yeah, well that's good
[23:34] <pleia2> ah, but it could be!
[23:34] <knome> that's to say i don't have much hopes of having many of those
[23:35] <pleia2> well at least I know it exists now ;) I can help fix it too
[23:35] <knome> and either our rewritten offline documentation of the app-specific docs should make community-docs extinct ;)
[23:36] <pleia2> I don't love the idea of just removing them all because we can, I like to have a few around so people see they can make more if they want
[23:36] <knome> do you know of the processes in the community wiki?
[23:36] <pleia2> then maybe we can pull more into official docs
[23:36] <knome> would it be ok to just delete, not propose for deletion
[23:36] <pleia2> some, only admins can delete pages for instance so they have a whole tagging system
[23:36] <knome> aha
[23:37] <pleia2> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Tag
[23:37] <knome> ok, do we know who the admins are?
[23:38] <knome> so, leave XubuntuPanels and the reference on Compiz
[23:38] <knome> and propose everything else for deletion?
[23:39] <pleia2> yeah, that's my assessment
[23:39] <pleia2> there are a few wiki admins, you can email -doc list if you want them immediately attended to after tagging them
[23:39] <pleia2> cprofitt, phillw
[23:39] <knome> okay
[23:39] <knome> i'm okay with those actions
[23:39] <knome> will you proceed with them?
[23:39] <pleia2> alright cool, I'll get that done today
[23:40] <knome> great :)
[23:40] <knome>  [lyz] Define target marketing audience: TODO
[23:40] <knome> what about that? :)
[23:41] <pleia2> I can finish that today too, I actually did it once and then the wiki didn't save my edits and I have been too upset for a month to redo it :)
[23:41] <knome> aww
[23:43] <knome> new wallpaper before UIF
[23:43] <knome> bleh
[23:43] <knome> :)
[23:44] <pleia2> :D
[23:44] <knome> http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-quantal/group/topic-quantal-flavor-xubuntu.html
[23:44] <knome> burndown looks better though
[23:44] <knome> we've been keeping the reds below the mainline
[23:44] <pleia2> :)
[23:44] <pleia2> gold stars all around!
[23:45] <knome> hehe
[23:47] <knome> so, is there something else we can make happen today? :P
[23:48] <pleia2> hehe