[00:33] i cannot safely remove external HD with thunar, it never says anything, just does nothing, I have to use nautilus [00:33] halp! [00:35] The following packages have unmet dependencies: [00:35] libwxgtk2.8-dev : Depends: libwxgtk2.8-0 (= 2.8.12.1-6ubuntu2) but 2.8.12.1-6ubuntu2.2 is to be installed [00:35] Depends: libwxbase2.8-dev (= 2.8.12.1-6ubuntu2) but it is not going to be installed [00:35] E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages. [00:36] libwxgtk2.8.12.1-dev is installed in the same line as lib... 2.8-dev so I dont understand why something that appears as installed is to be installed [00:42] ubuntu2 vs ubuntu2.2 [00:45] so the apps is looking for an older library and the new one is too new? [00:46] i don't know, i just pointed the difference between the package numbers [00:49] in synaptic I have marked as installed a libxbase2.8.0 (ubuntu 2.2) but the one I need is libxbase2.8-dev (ubuntu2). If I click to uninstall libxbase2.8.0 (ubuntu 2.2) there are quite a lot other apps that will go down the sink. Can I have the older library without deletting the newest one? or will it work if I uninstall this newest ubuntu 2.2 and then install the older ubuntu 2 one? [00:49] i have marked as installed = already appears as installed... [00:50] i don't know the depencies, so i don't know if other apps will stop working, but you should be able to pin a specific version [00:51] dependencies [00:52] not recommende generally though. [00:54] does this help?.. http://askubuntu.com/questions/133016/unable-to-unmount-an-external-usb-hdd [00:55] night [00:55] tc [00:56] Xubuntu-offtopic [01:28] Hi all. I'm using the latest nightly build of Xubuntu. I am using dual monitors but I can't seem to figure out how to go get them to do anything but mirror eachother. Can someone help point me in the right direction so my desktop spans both monitors? [01:31] Euph0riaXxX, I take it you have you opened the display settings to see if there are any other options there? [01:32] Yes. Really the only option it gives me is to use another monitor and then it simply mirrors it. I cannot find any other options. [01:33] Euph0riaXxX, onboard or discrete graphics? [01:33] "Use this output" "Resolution" "Refresh rate" "Rotation" and "Reflection" [01:34] It'z a i5-3570z with a Z77 motherboard that has three display outputs, and only allows you to use two at a time. [01:34] Dsub, DVI, and HDMI [01:34] I'm using DSUB and DVI [01:34] so its a discrete card? [01:35] as in, its not coming form your mobo, its an addon card right? [01:35] No card, just built into the motherboard. [01:35] have you checked for additional drivers using the tool? [01:36] The tool? [01:36] Menu>Settings>Additional Drivers [01:36] I haven't tried that yet, but I will. Thank you. [01:37] ok no prob, thats a good thing to check first [01:37] should only take <1 min [02:07] Ok, so I'm quite confused. I can't seem to find the Additional Drivers either in this latest version of Xubuntu either. Maybe I'm just missing it totally. [02:10] Hm, not installed by default it seems. [02:12] Euph0riaXxX, definitely installed by default. Menu > Settings > Additional Drivers [02:14] Apparently not in the Aug22 nightly release of Xubuntu. [02:15] Euph0riaXxX, oh I assumed latest = latest stable. [02:16] Euph0riaXxX, you can fetch it from the repo's or install the stable release [02:17] Yes, installing it from Ubuntu Software Center of all places. [02:18] I [02:19] I'm mainly using quantal for what seems to be the xfs support in the 3.5.x kernel. [02:21] Euph0riaXxX, nightly releases are meant for testing and advanced users so won't include such tools. It's best to stick to the stable releases for production systems. [02:21] they tend to work better ;) [02:22] hope you get those drivers sorted [02:25] I'm not as advanced, but so far it's the only release that has such support for xfs, which is what I'm really rather interested, hopefully it being stable enough for archiving a great deal of data. [02:37] So this really isn't a production system. More testing what they've done to the caching of metadata in xfs to improve speed and to see if I can trip it up in various ways. First time trying this distro though, so things are alittle strage. === m00se is now known as Frau_Blucher === Frau_Blucher is now known as m00se [07:38] Hello! I'm scouring the Linux-related IRC channels of the internet, hoping that someone can help me. I'm trying to configure my bootloader, but for whatever reason it won't save any changes I make to the .cfg file. It's on a separate /boot partition (/dev/sda1), because my motherboard is UEFI-only. Does anybody know how I can set it so changes I make to the /boot partition are permanent? [07:39] Jak_Atackka: it's really poor form to ask the same question in a bunch of channels at once :( we're all volunteers and you end up having lots of people in different places researching your problem [07:40] I'd suggest asking on ubuntuforums.org or askubuntu.com if you want a more broadcast-type request [07:40] (and I have no experience with UEFI, sorry) [07:40] I'm sorry, I've been searching for hours and have only found people who have no idea or refuse to tell me [07:41] Also, I was under the impression that this isn't UEFI-based, because it appears that /dev/sda is always opening in read-only mode [07:41] what .cfg file are you editing? [07:42] grub.cfg [07:42] it doesn't have this at the top? # DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE [07:42] mine does [07:42] and it explains why you should not [07:42] It does. However, even if I run grub-mkconfig again, it doesn't change it [07:43] did you update your settings in /etc/default/grub ? [07:43] Yep, as well as in /etc/grub.b/10_linux [07:43] *grub.d [07:43] then what do you run? [07:44] After editing those files, I run: grub-mkconfig -o /boot/grub/grub.cfg [07:44] (After mounting my partitions, of course) [07:44] you should be using update-grub [07:45] I don't know where your'e getting grub-mkconfig alone [07:45] but it's probably missing some of the steps that update-grub takes care of for you [07:45] Hm, okay. I'll try that. [07:46] the GRUB vs GRUB2 section of this page explains how updating grub is done: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2 [07:46] Okay, thank you for pointing that out! [07:46] you're welcome :) [07:49] One question - do I have to chroot into my /root partition first, or can I do it as a root user? [07:49] I'd just run it with sudo, as long as /boot is writable you should be fine [07:50] Okay. Thanks! In six hours of searching, you are the only other user I've met whose been helpful [07:50] * pleia2 gives herself a gold star [07:51] :D [07:51] I actually need to get to bed, good luck! [07:51] Night! [07:51] And thanks for the help! [09:18] hi [09:24] hi melodie_ [09:24] hi pAt_ [09:28] Hello everybody [09:29] i come from archlinux to xubuntu and till now im very satisfied but i still have a few questions [09:30] i like the xfce desktop but i also would like to use my old dwm config [09:31] but im having trouble making it executable from the xubuntu login manager [09:31] could somebody give me some help? === Eyes|Infinite is now known as EyesIsMine [09:52] does someone know where the live user configurations are located when the Xubuntu remix is created ? [09:52] unlike here : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization [09:52] it seems not to be in /etc/gconf [09:53] § Change gconf values (fonts, panels etc.) === recon69_lap is now known as recon_lap [11:12] Hi, I've just noticed that the 64bit 12.04 iso torrent link is broken. [11:15] they are actually all broken [11:15] let me fix them for you [11:17] milen8204, fixed, should work now. thanks for noticing! [11:17] Matyas, ^ [11:17] knome, ok I am glad for you :D [11:17] milen8204, sorry, and have a good day! :) [11:18] any one knows a GUI macro recording program [11:18] hmm, macro? haven't heard of one [11:18] sure you can't do the sam things with scripts? [11:21] going [11:44] Hello All! I got in BIG trouble. decided to add some more RAM to my PC but the chip doesnt fit. so i just decided leave it as before...BUT my PC wont start!!! I just got 3 @beep@ and thats it! [11:44] what could have happened? [11:45] the other ram stick is probably not prpoerly inserted [11:45] I will check now [11:46] I will try to start it again [11:49] I got the same [11:49] beep [11:49] 3 times [11:49] both chips are inserted fully [11:50] is it possible that i have put them different way? [11:50] yes, that's possible [11:50] F*** [11:50] hwo is the proper way? [12:04] knome: It looks that there is only one way to insert the chib bcuz of a small gap on the chip that corresponds to a similar place on the mboard [12:05] I tried with absolutely different RAM and got the same Beep [12:05] shpngld: have you been earthing yourself before handling ram, removing power for MB before inserting/removing ram, have you put the cards back in the same slots they came out of? [12:05] is it possible my video is blown? [12:05] shpngld, you can check your motherboard manual what the three beeps mean, but i believe it has something to do with the ram chips, if that's everything you've touched [12:06] well I remove all the cables from the power [12:06] yes it is [12:06] havent earthed myself... [12:06] Hi. I just installed xubuntu 12.04 and I`m not able to change "theme" of panel and menu. I also usine xfce in gentoo and there it reacts to style change. Not in xubuntu. Why? [12:06] shpngld: also, be gentle , you can crack you md if you use a lot of force [12:07] recon_lap: yes Im tryin [12:07] not to force it [12:07] I dont know what to do [12:08] shpngld: what happens when you boot without memory, then add one card and see if that works [12:10] shpngld: to earth yourself just touch a metal electronic device while it's plugged in, you computer case would be a good candidate [12:11] shpngld: you dont have to keep touching it btw [12:11] radiator of central heating also works. [12:12] recon_lap: I tied everythin u saud [12:12] w\o or with ram is the same [12:12] Beep [12:13] I touched the radiator yes [12:13] shpngld: same number of beeps? [12:13] yes [12:13] check you motherboard manual to see what the three beeps mean [12:13] Ill will check now [12:14] How to find out the model [12:14] it says Dell [12:15] shpngld: it'll be stamped on the MD somewhere [12:15] MB* [12:16] shpngld: or look up the specs for the make and model of dell you have [12:23] shpngld: to find the model it should be on a sticker on the back of the machine [12:28] Ups, found solution to my problem. Sorry for bother. [12:39] well that was just rude. Now we'll never get closure :/ [12:48] hi [12:48] does someone know where the env variables are written ? http://ffct.cc/xfce-unable-to-load-a-failsafe-session-finally-solved [12:52] I need libxbase2.8.0-dev package, but thats not in the repo [12:52] suggestions to get it? [12:54] martinphone, why do you need it [12:54] try first "apt-cache search libxbase" to see what the packages available could provide [12:54] maybe there is one with a slightly different syntax in the name ? [12:54] bazhang, FGFS [12:54] martinphone, please give a real answer [12:55] Flightgear FLight simulator [12:55] brisa script needs it [12:55] !info flightgear | martinphone [12:55] martinphone: flightgear (source: flightgear): Flight Gear Flight Simulator. In component universe, is extra. Version 2.4.0-1 (precise), package size 2655 kB, installed size 6552 kB [12:55] martinphone, its in the repos, install it from there [12:56] sudo apt-get install flightgear [12:56] bazhang, outdated [12:56] i want 2.8 [12:56] martinphone, how so [12:56] martinphone, what is in 2.8 that you so need [12:56] 3d airport signs [12:57] curved taxiways i believe [12:57] o and the concorde not making strange noises when reaching 10,000 feet [12:57] martinphone, the answer is that you can either find a PPA with 2.8, or build the packages yourself [13:08] !ppa | martinphone have a read [13:08] martinphone have a read: A Personal Package Archive (PPA) can provide alternate software not normally available in the offical Ubuntu repositories - Looking for a PPA? See https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+ppas - WARNING: PPAs are unsupported third-party packages, and you use them at your own risk. See also !addppa and !ppa-purge [13:08] !compile > martinphone [13:08] martinphone, please see my private message [13:30] Alguém ai pt-br? [13:31] !pt | Cristiano-CM [13:31] Cristiano-CM: Por favor, use #ubuntu-br para ajuda em português. Para entrar no canal por favor faça "/join #ubuntu-br" sem as aspas. Para a comunidade local portuguêsa, use #ubuntu-pt. Obrigado. [13:31] Thanks! [13:39] bye [14:32] how do i upgrade to xfce 4.10. I am using xubuntu 12.04 [14:33] G__81, xubuntu 12.04 oficially do not supports xfce 4.10, however, there is an oficcially unsuported ppa for it if you dont want to wait till 12.10 release [14:33] GridCube, yeah i understand its a LTS so how do i upgrade using the PPA ? [14:33] can you let me know the PPA ? [14:33] :) [14:34] sure let me get the link [14:35] hello all! I got in big trouble again...I tried to update my current nvidia drivers, but the d\l failed dunno why...when i restarted the pc i got to the first screen with XUBUNTU and the mouse and tree background....no progress from here..no login screen no nothing..it just stays like that...how can i fix it? [14:35] G__81, https://plus.google.com/112064450121097287690/posts/Jj27zJqmCVB [14:36] GridCube, oh thanks a lot [14:36] I went to the recovery mode but there r only 4 choices [14:37] failedagain, go to the standard boot, when you see the plymouth theme and get stuck to it [14:37] go to a tty, press ctrl-alt-f1 [14:37] there log in normaly and cd /etc/X11 [14:38] there you have to do: sudo mv xorg.conf xorg.conf.back [14:38] I just pressed ctrlaltf1 and nothin happens [14:38] then reboot, that should restart your video drivers to default [14:38] mmmmhm [14:39] its frozen [14:39] well then, go to recovery mode, mount the system, go to root mode and do the same [14:39] I ll try now [14:39] i mean the same as go to /etc/X11 and mv xorg.conf xorg.conf.back [14:42] I did it now i will restrat [14:44] I have a progress! [14:44] :D [14:44] got to the login screen [14:44] :D [14:45] what shoul i do now [14:45] how to fix the drv [14:45] you can just go to jockey-gtk and try again just like before :) [14:46] I have used apt get update [14:46] and then apt get install nviidia--currnet [14:46] you have to use jockey-gtk [14:46] after adding new source [14:46] :) [14:46] how can i do it? [14:46] whatis jockey [14:47] either way, go to the main menu >Configuration >Aditional Drivers, or press alt-f2 and type gksu jockey-gtk [14:48] !jockey [14:48] !jockey-gtk [14:48] now i cant connect to the inet [14:48] &^&!@ [14:48] !info jockey-gtk [14:48] jockey-gtk (source: jockey): GNOME user interface and desktop integration for driver management. In component main, is optional. Version 0.9.7-0ubuntu7 (precise), package size 8 kB, installed size 126 kB [14:49] D: well failedagain thats has nothing to do with what i asked you to do [14:49] Ill do it now [14:52] i have a lot of drv there but all r grrey [14:53] the first is Nvidia version 173 recommended [14:53] thats the one i normally use [14:53] Hi All. Could anyone help me troubleshoot a boot-time black screen of death? [14:53] I will activate it rirght? [14:54] it tries do d/l but no net .... [14:54] can i d/l manually and install somehow [14:55] !info apt-offline [14:55] apt-offline (source: apt-offline): offline apt package manager. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.1.1build1 (precise), package size 77 kB, installed size 403 kB [14:55] yes you can [14:55] i never used it myself though [14:55] !details | Aardvark_Ave [14:55] Aardvark_Ave: Please give us full details. For example: "I have a problem with ..., I'm running Ubuntu version .... When I try to do ..., I get the following output: ..., but I expected it to do ..." [14:56] Sure thing. Just want to see if anyone's awake =) [14:57] I'm running a new clean install of xubuntu 12.04 on a System76 laptop. I have full hard disk encryption enabled, and the boot process does get as far as asking for the luks passphrase. However, after that, it just dead-ends at a black screen. [15:00] The S76 laptop has an ATI video card, and I think the problem probably lies there. If I remove the "quiet" and "splash" options from grub at boot time, and this allows me to get to a text login prompt. [15:01] However, if I login and try to startx, I get "no screens fround". [15:01] found, that is [15:03] Aardvark_Ave: try booting with "nomodeset" option in grub, if that doesn't work try/add "xforcevesa" [15:04] Add those in addition to the "splash", "vt_handoff", and the other parameters that are already there? [15:05] yup [15:05] Ok, thanks, I'll give that a try [15:06] That allows me to get to a normal terminal login prompt, but "startx" still slaps me back with "no screens found" [15:06] do sudo service lightdm start [15:07] I'm starting to think that the installer just didn't get the right drivers [15:07] Aardvark_Ave: did you try xforcevesa too? [15:08] GridCube, That command moved me to virtual terminal 7 and showed me a stalled list of "*Starting..." lines. [15:09] Sysi, I'll try that now. Should I append both nomodeset and xforcevesa, or just the latter? [15:09] maybe both [15:09] OK [15:11] That got me to a text login prompt as well. I think the real problem might be with the graphics driver [15:11] xforcevesa sets failsafe driver [15:11] Hmmm [15:11] after loggin in to terminal, check with "df -h" that you have free disk space [15:11] whenever i try to git clone any repo i get this warning WARNING: gnome-keyring:: couldn't connect to: /tmp/keyring-7XmVIp/pkcs11: No such file or directory [15:12] and in some websites i see a window with a dialog box which says gnome-keyring. How do i get rid off those ? [15:13] Sysi, I have 200+ GB free. When I try to "startx", I get a list of 8 "Failed to load module, module does not exist" errors. [15:14] Aardvark_Ave: it could be failed installation too [15:15] Sysi, That's what I'm thinking. I have tried it twice now... How tough would it be to manually install the ati binary driver from the command line? [15:15] I don't have experience with ati [15:16] can someone help me with this warning ? [15:17] WARNING: gnome-keyring:: couldn't connect to: /tmp/keyring-7XmVIp/pkcs11: No such file or directory and in some websites i see a window with a dialog box which says gnome-keyring. How do i get rid off those ? [15:17] Sysi, Maybe I'll try to install vanilla ubuntu 12.04 and see if I run into the same problem. Otherwise, do you know of an ati-linux irc channel anywhere? [15:17] G__81: does that keep happening if you log out and back in? [15:17] Sysi, yes it happens randomly [15:18] G__81: 12.04? [15:18] Sysi, when i log in to some sites i see a dialog box with gnome-keyring on top of it which says unlock ring. [15:18] Sysi, yes i am using 12.04 and i have upgraded the version of xfce to 4.10 but the same behaviour was observed with 4.8 even [15:19] G__81: did that start at some point or has it been like that since installing? [15:20] Sysi, since installing i believe [15:20] Sysi, i didnt install anything extra apart from vim, build-essential, cscope,ctags [15:20] Does anyone else here have experience using ati video hardware with xubuntu 12.04? [15:22] GridCube: Ok i managed to connect to Inet but the speed is extremely low [15:22] when i try to load a web site it says DNSS lookup failed [15:23] the speed of d\l of nvidia drv is extremely low...around 1k\s [15:23] what coul be the problem [15:23] ...it just dropped me of the Network... [15:23] never happened b4 [15:26] is it posible the wireless driver is wrong? [15:27] failedagain, sounds like an outside problem [15:27] you could try to reboot and see if that changes anything [15:27] but i wont bet on it, try to reboot your router/modem as well [15:28] Sysi: Haha, just installed the "fglrx" driver with apt and ran "startx" again. Works fine now! Is there a place I can submit this problem to x/ubuntu so it can be fixed in the future? [15:28] the pc I am using now is ok with the Inet (at least no drops) but on my PC is &^%$ [15:29] I have no access to the router [15:29] Aardvark_Ave: fglrx can't be included in default installation because of it's licensing, for the problem itself you should report it to launchpad [15:29] !bug | Aardvark_Ave [15:29] Aardvark_Ave: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug using the command « ubuntu-bug » - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs for other ways to report bugs. [15:29] Sysi, any idea? [15:31] G__81: rm -rf ~/.cache/sessions && sudo apt-get --purge reinstall gnome-keyring [15:32] then relogin [15:33] It says Invalid Option reinstall [15:33] Sysi, It cannot be included on the distribution cd itself, but doesn't the installer usually prompt about installing proprietary drivers? [15:33] hi. i cant conntect to my wireless lan... the syslog says http://pastebin.com/rVcv8RfG [15:33] Sysi, I'll definitely submit the bug report though. Thank you for the help! [15:33] G__81: try reinstall --purge [15:34] Aardvark_Ave: I always use text-based alternate installer [15:34] it seems as nm-applet disconnects for no reason... it asks me to enter the password again and again... i am 100% sure i typed it correctly [15:34] Sysi, Me too, as that's the only way I know of to have full-disk encryption [15:34] Sysi, no the same thing [15:53] how do i assign shortcuts for maximizing my window using keyboard [15:53] i see only application shortcuts in keyboard settings [15:54] G__81, settings manager -> window manager -> tab "keyboard" [15:55] G__81, the default ones dont work? like alt-f5 and alt-f6? [15:56] Default ?? mine states it should be alt f7 ?? according to settings editor ?? [15:56] SkippersBoss, you probably have an upgraded system then [15:56] GridCube, i dont see it working [15:56] Alt+F7 does not maximize the terminal [15:56] :( [15:57] hello all:) [15:57] G__81, alt+f6 is the default for precise, if you have a new installation [15:58] !hi | dadix [15:58] dadix: Hi!, Welcome to #xubuntu! Feel free to ask questions and help people out. The channel guidelines are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines. Enjoy your stay! [15:58] G__81, no, actually, you are true. that shortcut isn't working [15:59] knome, yeah thats maximizing windows horizontally. I want my terminal to be maximized fully :) [15:59] G__81, try going to the settings manager, double click on the "F7" spot and pressing alt+f7 again. [15:59] i want to run xubuntu 12.10 alpha3 in Qemo and dont work the installation :( [15:59] G__81, it updates the shortcut, and after that, it worked for me [15:59] t [16:00] knome, works now thanks a lot :) [16:00] Qemu [16:00] knome, the other problem that i see with 12.04 is that sometimes i get a window to unlock key ring when i log into some websites [16:00] knome, i dont know how to get rid off that. It happened in 4.8 xfce and happens now even after i upgraded to 4.10. [16:00] G__81, i've no clue on that [16:01] oh ok [16:02] G__81, if it's firefox keyring, just delete that from the preferences [16:04] knome, i get it when using chrome i am not sure whether i would see it if i use ff [16:04] G__81, then it might be the chrome keyring. i've no idea how that works, again [16:05] how to upgrade from xubuntu 12.04 to 12.10 ? [16:05] dadix, it's not encouraged to do that yet on production machines [16:06] i want because of kernel [16:06] GridCube: pff I think the problem is with my wireless drv instalation... How can i remove the driver and reinstall it? [16:06] dadix: you gan get newer kernel from PPA if there isn't one on backports [16:06] dadix, please understand it is *not* supported, but if you are completely sure: 'update-manager -d' [16:07] failedagain, i dont really know, cant you cable it? [16:07] not work from update manager :( [16:07] cable it? [16:07] dadix, did you issue the command i gave you? [16:08] I dont get it [16:08] failedagain, yes, i mean plug it in to the wired network [16:09] I dont have Lan card only wireless [16:09] oh [16:09] that sounds weird [16:09] I just want to remove the driver, reboot and install it again [16:09] i think xubuntu the prettiest distribution [16:09] failedagain, sorry i dont know how to do that [16:10] ..oh well thanks for the help anyway :-) [16:10] anybody else can help me| [16:10] ? [16:10] hwo to find the packages associated w/ the wlan and remove them [16:11] knome now now I try [16:11] knome, i see a delay when i do alt + f2 i dont see the run box appearing immediately [16:11] is this a known issue ? [16:12] i see it takes good amount of time [16:12] "there is now update to install" [16:12] haven't heard about slow shortcuts [16:13] G__81: first time or every time? [16:13] i had set the anti aliasing option in font to Full and i thought it was because of some display issue or something like that but even i set it to default which is Slight i see it happening [16:13] Sysi, everytime [16:14] the application finder dialog takes some time to come up. It does come up but it takes time [16:15] G__81, if you've installed xfce 4.10 on precise, that can be the reason [16:15] G__81, (that combination is unsupported) [16:15] i change update setting and now its working [16:15] knome, hmm yes i have installed 4.10 in precise :) [16:16] now i download the upgrade [16:16] :) [16:20] Xubuntu use compiz ? [16:20] I am concerned about saving energy [16:20] dadix: xubuntu doesnt use compiz by default [16:20] good !!! [16:25] i have a ideea [16:25] i will make a forum for Xubuntu on a free hosting [16:25] dadix, please don't [16:25] how about that ? [16:26] dadix, there are forums where you can ask xubuntu-related questions already [16:26] whay? [16:26] knome [16:26] dadix, most prominent of them, ubuntuforums.org [16:26] ubuntu forum [16:26] but i dont like it [16:27] is for ubuntu not Xubuntu [16:27] it is for xubuntu too, there is an area for xubuntu-only questions [16:27] dadix: its the one most folks use and know about... its not really a matter of what we "like".. its more a matter of whats appropriate [16:27] :( [16:28] where knome ? [16:28] rather than have hundreds of different forums, we'd like to have one centralized forum, where you can find answers for pretty much everything [16:28] dadix: i for one appreciate your wanting to help, and if there is something about the current forums you do not "like", it would be much more appropriate and constructive to get envolved and help the current ones [16:29] dadix, http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=329, prefix question with [xubuntu] [16:29] ok [16:29] completely agree with holstein. [16:30]