[00:01] this time I'm playing it safe and md5summing the iso (ended up starting with close to no GUI, which is tough to fix without figuring out what is missing) [00:01] * c_smith is probably talking too much [00:04] c_smith: By close to no GUI do you mean you got the background, the icon for the installer, an icon for the example but nothing else? [00:11] yep, which persisted after rebooting into the installation. [00:12] Unity turned out to not have been installed. [00:12] c_smith: Was that in a VM or on real hardware ? [00:12] yeh, it hadn't installed unity for me either, when I did install unity it crashed almost immediately after boot [00:22] hmmmm.... doesn't crash for me. [00:22] but like I said, ALSA messed up. [00:23] c_smith: was this on a vm or real hardware? [00:23] *Pulse, not ALSA [00:23] real hardware. [00:23] hmm, ok, so the unity not installing wasn't a vm thing [00:23] my laptop is not of the quality required for even remotely fast VM. [00:23] I thought it might be on the basis it had no 3d hardware so might be a left over from trying to use unity2d [00:24] from what I hear, they're looking to implement a LLVM Pipe [00:24] for Unity and some other stuff. [00:24] yeh, I wanted to try that, but didn't get far enough to figure out if they had [00:25] well, gonna see if the ISO changed from this morning, I don't know when they upload the ISOs. [00:25] and I'm also reinstalling to put Pulse back. [00:26] c_smith: This is on the 64bit desktop iso with the md5 b388656967b60f8e312a3836c6ca33d8 [00:26] from this morning? [00:26] if so, the new one is 1882fb56ee352dda80bdc14d4ba37c7ed34456a2 sha1 [00:27] that md5 matches. [00:27] though. [00:27] so does your sha :-) [00:27] yep. [00:28] looks like the issue will persist. [00:28] c_smith: I guess just sit back and wait for a few days before someone hits it with a spanner [00:29] either way, I also want to try and put the Webapps in without the ppa (as I see they are available, but ppa-purge wants to delete a lot more than just the webapps integration, most of which isn't related.) [00:29] what is webapps? [00:29] let me get a blog post of it up. [00:30] http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/07/ubuntu-unveil-new-web-apps-feature-for-12-10 [00:30] there you are. [00:30] Thanks [00:30] no prob [00:31] it looks like it'll be nice, yet completely optional. [00:32] yeh that does look neat [00:33] it is. [00:33] well, I'm off to start with a fresh install. [00:33] good luck :-) [00:37] Are webapps in the repo already? [00:37] *repos [00:40] Hm. [00:40] !info unity-webapps-service [00:40] Package unity-webapps-service does not exist in precise [00:40] I'm not wondering about precise, bad bot! :( [00:41] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libunity-webapps [00:44] Why do I have the impression I'm using outdated repos in Quantal? [00:44] and I can't even start Software Sources to try and change them. [00:45] it's all a bit broken at the moment [00:46] Yeah, but the lack of updates lately is striking me as odd and so is the fact that I just installed webapps 1.9.1~something instead of 2.0.1 [00:47] I'm getting loads of updates on my Kubuntu quantal box - KDE and non [00:48] There might be something wrong with the Brazilian mirrors. I'll change it to the main archives manually. [00:50] right, bed [00:52] 382 updates available. === yofel_ is now known as yofel [01:53] The new online accounts thing looks neat. [01:53] Too bad I cannot choose which apps to integrate an account to. [01:54] and Gwibber is really bad for using Facebook. === bazhang_ is now known as bazhang [02:52] dbus-daemon is using 100% of one of my cpu cores :/ [03:12] Darxus: you don't happen to have been using LibreOffice? [03:12] any idea when there will be a nouveau or nvidia update? im not able to startx with either of them at the moment. [03:14] or the 304.37 driver that supports abi 13 [03:14] jbicha: No. [03:18] vivid: bug 1037896 for the nvidia driver, timeframe, unknown (maybe, "soon"), don't know about nouveau [03:18] Launchpad bug 1037896 in nvidia-graphics-drivers (Ubuntu Quantal) "Starting Firefox kills xserver immediately when using 2D desktop" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1037896 [03:29] nouveau should work....unless youre on geforce 560....gg [04:56] * gnomefreak loves cntrl+pageup or cntrl+pagedown :) [06:14] Does anyone have any idea about the keyboard shortcut regression? [06:15] as in, ctrl-alt-t doesn't launch a terminal even though I re-set it in settings [07:26] So, does anyone know anything about the keyboard shortcut regression? [07:26] ctrl-alt-t doesn't fire up a terminal [07:26] even though I re-set it in settings [07:27] Walther: if you use terminal a lot, I suggest you install guake [07:27] Walther: or yakuake if you use kde [07:28] I rather like gnome-terminal for its color scheme [07:28] and font [07:28] would definitely prefer getting the hotkey fixed :) [07:29] Walther: how do you mean colour scheme? [07:29] ...irrelevant to this argument [07:29] Walther: its just a super convenient terminal [07:30] I don't want a new terminal [07:30] I want my keyboard shortcut back. [07:30] Walther: then I suggest you report a bug [07:30] Walther: I'd try it before you shoot it down :) [07:30] Also, has anyone else noticed deaths of trackpads on laptops? [07:30] I'm getting mouse freezes every now and then [07:31] Walther: what make and model system please? [07:31] funny enough, clicking works, moving the mouse doesn't [07:31] Samsung N510 [07:34] ...going for a reboot to get my trackpad back [07:34] Walther: http://pastie.org/4590171 [07:37] two finger scroll etc works fine when they work [07:38] I just get an occasional total freeze, the mouse won't move at all [07:38] Walther: its worth trying, the settings will be lost on reboot [09:34] hi guys, penguin42 asked for some more information on bug 1041625 this has now been provided, is there anything else from the tester you kind people need? [09:34] Launchpad bug 1041625 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "X not starting after install / Fontconfig warning in lubuntu i386" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1041625 [09:35] phillw: which GPU? [09:36] phillw: try the boot option: nomodeset [12:40] How long until the nvidia-current package can be installed? [12:40] nvidia-current : Depends: xorg-video-abi-11 but it is not installable or [12:40] xorg-video-abi-12 but it is not installable [12:48] HI all [12:49] Hey BK [12:52] Does anyone have an idea when the nvidia-current issue will be fixed? [12:52] It still depends on xorg-video-abi-12 which cannot be installed [12:54] yes , Walther i was about to ask that same question , I haven't heard anything. We may have to wait til the beta release on Sept 6 [12:54] could use the xorg edgers UPDATE ppa, less fresh, more stable [12:55] ActionParsnip: oddly enough the nouveau driver seems to be holding it's own here [12:55] BluesKaj: even with fullscreen HD vids? [12:56] does everything I ask ,..fullscrn on this plasma tv , no probs [12:56] BluesKaj: i'd use that then, may try it myself later just for kicks [12:57] 3D , DR , just an elcheapo nvidia 8400gs . works well [12:57] BluesKaj: nice, i'm on a 6150LE, may have to try it out :) [12:58] ActionParsnip: that shoulod be fine [12:58] * penguin42 only has one nvidia machine, with an old nvidia card in, and surprisingly nouveau does actually work now [12:58] yeah, its not bad, kicks up my cpu and stuff but it's getting replaced once i get some cash [12:59] for me it's a bit bigger issue as I currently only have my netbook for use [12:59] which has nvidia ion [13:04] Walther: are you running the regular ubuntu in netbook mode , or is that option even available anymore ? [13:05] Hi all, I've just installed ubuntu server via netboot, but I have no network connection after install [13:06] i've done 'sudo ifconfig eth0 up' and now eth0 shows up in ifconfig, but I still have no network connection. What can I do to fix this? [13:08] BluesKaj: iirc the netbook remix lasted for only a release or two [13:09] BluesKaj: regular ubuntu [13:13] trijntje: what network chip? [13:14] ActionParsnip: MacPhyter DP83815 [13:16] trijntje: ok, run: sudo lshw -C network what is the product line for the device [13:17] product: DP83815 (MacPhyter) Ethernet Controller [13:21] trijntje: When you say 'no network connection' - what do you mean exactly? Does /sbin/ifconfig show an ip address ? can you ping your router? [13:23] penguin42: ifconfig doesnt show an ip adress, and ping says "connect: Network unreachable" [13:25] ...just to mention the basics, have you checked your cable? [13:26] sometimes problems are simpler than you might think [13:31] Walther: i've just installed ubuntu server via netboot, so i don't think it's a problem with the network cable [13:32] trijntje: Just wanted to start with the basics [13:32] anyway, got to go to the store and get some food before it closes [13:32] hope you guys can fix it [13:32] trijntje: What does /etc/network/interfaces have to say - are you expecting it to dhcp? [13:34] penguin42: ah, that file has listing for lo and em10, but not eth0. [13:34] I remember now that during install it saw the wired network interface as 'em10' [13:38] trijntje: That's an odd name - is this an unusual type of machine or a vm or something? [13:39] trijntje: Can you report a bug on it, include the original/broken /etc/network/interfaces - the installer should get it right [13:39] its an old laptop, designed for windows xp. I've installed Quantal on it numerous times, this is the first time I dont get a network [13:40] trijntje: Is this the 1st time you net installed? [13:40] penguin42: no, i've been testing net installs for all flavours, xubuntu, kubuntu, ubuntu, and now server [13:41] trijntje: So it's just the server install that broke in this way? [13:41] yes [13:41] trijntje: Best to report it [13:41] (Hmm which installer package does server use?) [13:42] anyone here know how to customize Nux ? [13:44] penguin42: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/1041838 [13:44] Launchpad bug 1041838 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "i368 netboot install ubuntu server: no wired network after install" [Undecided,New] [13:44] thanks for your help! [13:47] np [13:49] nice not to have to fool with /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf/head , to put the dns servers in place , listing in network interfaces is a less clunky [13:52] heck, when did resolvconf get so complicated [13:55] in 12,04 i think , it became "Dynamic" ...whetever that meant , probly that the resolv.conf was being written to each boot or network connection ..dunn the mechanics or thre reasoning behind such a change [13:58] I'm still getting a pixelated totally unreadable lightdm login page , where I have to drop to the tty login and then startx from there ..kdm doesn't work either ..gdm wants to install the whole gnome desktop which I won't use [13:58] anything in /var/log/lightdm ? [14:00] no penguin42 the files there are all blank [14:01] oh, that's weird - they're normally quite chatty [14:04] BluesKaj you updated xorg ? [14:05] lightdm has some new features that I had to purg and reinstall [14:05] purge * [14:06] after the xorg debackel [14:07] bobweaver: no i didn't upgrade xorg , trying to use the graphics setup that works on the desktop at least. [14:07] BluesKaj, you are at tty ? [14:07] what is apt-cache policy unity [14:08] 6.2 or 6.5 ? [14:09] no bobweaver, on kde plasma desktop [14:09] Oh kde works great for me on 12.10 [14:09] yeh, same here [14:10] it's odd he's not getting any error logs [14:10] BluesKaj: Your / isn't full is it ? [14:10] so when you boot it says you are in low graphics mode blah blah blah ? [14:11] sorry BluesKaj ^^ [14:11] wont let you to lightdm ? [14:12] bobweaver: not in low graphics mode , lightdm crashes the login page , otherwise everything fine [14:13] what you unity-greater file look like ? [14:13] BluesKaj, ^^ [14:13] might want to purge that and lightdm and re-install [14:13] BluesKaj: Can you pastebin your /etc/lightdm/* ? [14:13] BluesKaj: You mean lightdm-gtk-greeter package? [14:13] you mean lightdm-kde-greeter package? [14:14] OK. you mean you're on Kubuntu, right? [14:14] good point all I guess the best thing is to look at the version of lightdm [14:14] just r4einstall 12.10 yesterday , i see no reason to reinstall lightdm greeter [14:14] reinstalled rather [14:14] lol [14:15] BluesKaj, you got 1.3.2 installed of lightdm ? [14:15] or 1.3.1 ? [14:16] apt-cache policy lightdm [14:16] BluesKaj: What are you on? Kubuntu? [14:17] bobweaver: 1.3.2 [14:17] Yeah BluesKaj I am telling you that I had the same issue 3 days ago [14:18] BluesKaj: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1168115/ is the output of dpkg -l \*lightdm\* for my machine [14:19] penguin42, you are using the qt version hey I love QT now there is a soild framework [14:21] I can say that that is the same packages that are installed on my machine also [14:21] bobweaver: This machine has a clean kubuntu installed from the alpha a few weeks back when I got an SSD, so very pure [14:22] penguin42, are you part of the kubuntu team ? [14:23] no [14:23] wondering when they are going to change default programs to qml [14:23] like browser and what not [14:23] bobweaver: Not sure, there seem to use qml in a few places in the window manager already [14:23] If which flavor of Ubuntu is the one that I'm most not familiar with, it is Kubuntu:( I never tested it [14:24] smartboyhw: Try it, you might like it :-) [14:24] This is all I know about QML/QT not much ;) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfrm117Ukr0 [14:24] No, I like xfce, and I'm in the Ubuntu Studio team, which uses Xubuntu as a base so NO. [14:25] that is all qt and qml ^^ [14:25] it can run on 128 mb of ram [14:26] and a p3 [14:26] bobweaver: /usr/share/kde4/apps/kwin/scripts/desktopchangeosd/contents/ui/main.qml is an example that does the little animation as you slide between desktops [14:26] ahh states and transtions [14:26] looking now [14:27] actually, there is loads of it in kde4/apps - not looked at much [14:28] yeah there are some things in that code that I am not liking [14:29] like line 226 using visablity control via opacity is not a good idea should be both to get the full effect [14:29] opacity: 0; visable: false; [14:30] or even better would be [14:30] opacity: .66 ; visable: false; [14:30] that way it is have way visable when the transtion happens :) [14:30] would create "fading effect " [14:32] then line 87 we use squental animation and then number animations [14:33] bobweaver: qml does seem to be a 'oh my god we can do animation and by golly we will!' [14:33] Good video to show what I am talking about http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjjIk4e_6Q4 [14:34] I was tring to implament compiz to qt but I failed massivly and TBH opengl es handles all that better then compiz [14:38] bobweaver: OK, that NumberAnimation is neat, very simple [14:38] Yeah check out transtions and squntial animations [14:38] that is where it is at in QML [14:39] because you can say sqential animation{ NumberAnimations {run me 1st} number animation{run me right after 1} [14:39] bobweaver: It can get a bit mad, when it first landed I think *everything* was animating everywhere which was a bit OTT [14:40] and you can stack as many sequntial animations that you like on top of each other also [14:41] or put javascript loops in them [14:41] the most powerful thing that qml has I think is XMLListModel element [14:42] that right there is just about the coolest thing in the world to get data live and fast [14:43] I can gather fan art faster online and cached then I can using mysql on my own computer [14:43] got to love sqllight [14:43] also and how it is intergrated [14:43] maybe I should dev for kde [14:43] and not unity [14:43] bobweaver: Develop for xfce:) [14:44] as I was a unity 2d dev [14:44] I'd love to get optimizing as a focus for one release [14:44] bobweaver: Ah, commiserations on the demise of that [14:44] as in, not really much new features but try to optimize the power consumption, responsiveness, etc [14:45] smartboyhw, no thanks :) [14:45] that is what I will do today [14:45] bobweaver: Well the KDE guys seem friendly enough; I've only got one or two pieces of code into it - for one or two things that really bugged me [14:45] I will build kde in qt-creator and see what I can come up with [14:46] penguin42, I am so frustrated with NUX atm that I could puke [14:46] bobweaver: I'm not really a GUI dev - I'm much happier at the lower levels; I never looked at NUX though at all [14:47] It is crazy [14:47] Hm. powertop reports Audio coded hwC0D3: Nvidia and Audio codec hwC0D0: Realtek as 100% [14:49] I am stupid in coding. bobweaver: That means you dislike unity-3d? [14:52] powertop reports a discharge rate of 22.6W [14:52] how is this possible o.O [14:52] I used to get way over 4h on this laptop, now 2:30 tops [14:52] that's some serious regressions right here :/ [14:53] Walther: do you have hybrid graphics? [14:54] Nvidia ION LE [14:54] shouldn't be [14:54] walther@espresso:~$ lspci |grep VGA [14:54] 02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation ION LE VGA (rev b1) [14:55] also, as this is on quantal, the nvidia isn't even in use [14:55] as the driver is not there [14:55] not installed, not installable [14:56] but yeah, 22W when only having powertop and irssi open [14:56] dimming the screen backlight to minimum drops 3W [15:20] penguin42: sorry I was called away for a while , yes my lightdm output is the same as yors [15:49] Hi, recently a patch for the asus-wmi module was integrated into the upstream kernel, and later in Quantal (a week ago plusminus) This patched module renders my system unable to boot. Where should I report this? [16:01] peterrus: Run ubuntu-bug linux on the Quantal system running the older kernel, put all the details of the patch and which kernel version fails in the bug report [16:02] penguin42, that would be the linux-module package right? [16:03] peterrus: That's all/most kernel stuff - so just ubuntu-bug linux should take care of it [16:03] excellent [16:03] This is not an official Ubuntu package. Please remove any third party package and try again. [16:03] right XD [16:04] I am pretty sure it is [16:04] Is it still in the repos? [16:04] Daekdroom, how would I check? [16:05] what is under /usr/local that is causing that to happen ? [16:05] the bug would be in linux-image-3.5.0-11-generic [16:05] apt-cache policy [16:06] where is it comming from li,e Daekdroom [16:06] like * Daekdroom said [16:06] Well -11 is the current kernel version, apparently. [16:06] peterrus: if its a later version from a PPA than on the repos, it's not [16:06] linux-image-3.5.0-11-generic: [16:06] Installed: 3.5.0-11.11 [16:06] Candidate: 3.5.0-11.11 [16:06] Version table: [16:06] *** 3.5.0-11.11 0 [16:06] 500 http://nl.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ quantal/main amd64 Packages [16:06] 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status [16:07] hmm, weird [16:07] let me ubuntu-bug that [16:07] Package linux-image-3.5.0-11-generic: does not exist [16:07] hm [16:07] ubuntu-bug linux should work [16:08] oh wait [16:08] got a colon there [16:08] ubuntu-bug linux-image-3.5.0-11-generic [16:08] works [16:08] peterrus: ;) [16:08] peterrus: use TAB to complete package names [16:08] i see [16:08] :) [16:16] penguin42, You where right this is great I am going to intergrate kubuntu netbook to be a background app that is running this is going to be awesome ! http://imagebin.org/225930 [16:16] in case someone has the same problem (Asus Zenbook UX32V and the likes not booting after a recent Quantal update regarding the Function hotkeys) https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1041883 [16:16] Launchpad bug 1041883 in linux (Ubuntu) "Recent patch to asus-wmi module makes system unbootable" [Undecided,New] [16:17] meaning instead of having Desktop picture's it will be kde netbook [16:18] peterrus: Do you have any diagnostics of when it crashes - does it give a backtrace or anything? [16:18] what's dmesg say ? [16:19] bobweaver: His problem is it doesn't boot with the bad kernel [16:20] Ouch I thought that wmi mods where for the extrenal wireless switch(could be wrong) have you tryed to turn it off [16:24] peterrus: I've marked it as regression-release (which I think is appropriate reading one of the tags page, although it's a bit difficult to figure out), I also subscribed Alex Hung who wrote the patch to the bug === yofel_ is now known as yofel [16:29] regression-release is for everything that's in the primary archive (not -proposed etc.), just make sure the right release tag is there too [16:38] yofel: You mean that it's got the 'quantal' tag? [16:52] penguin42, I also subscribed alex and some others from the gmane mailinglist [16:53] penguin42, I suppose those logs are enough? [16:53] peterrus: When it hangs with the newer kernel how far does it get? [16:54] penguin42, I'll have to boot to that kernel, once it hangs, i will reboot, what then? [16:55] peterrus: Well, do you get any diagnostics when it hangs? Is there any log of that hang? [16:55] penguin42, yes [16:55] but I dont see anything in the updated logs [16:56] peterrus: so where are they - just on the screen? [16:56] what boot parameters do you suggest to make sure no splash is shown [16:56] penguin42, yes, but I have booted the system maybe six more times in the meanwhile [16:56] with the -10 kernel [16:56] which works [16:56] so the logs might be burried somewhere [16:57] peterrus: hmm you say it doesn't fail in recovery mode, that makes life harder! You could try booting without the splash and quiet parameters and see if you get an oops or the like on the console [16:58] penguin42, and this gets logged in dmesg? [16:58] even after reboot? [16:58] peterrus: Depends how bad it hangs [16:58] ok [16:58] lets try, I can always take a picture [16:58] peterrus: dmesg is only current boot, but other logs have old messages - but if it hangs before it makes it to the disk then you don't get it stored [16:58] lets try this, I have an irc shell so I wont disconnect ;) [17:01] bb in about 30min; cd kitchen; make pudding [17:02] penguin42: right === sascha is now known as Guest73826 [17:07] penguin42, nothing is logged to disk, I did make a picture though [17:07] uploading... [17:14] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/1041883 [17:14] Launchpad bug 1041883 in linux (Ubuntu) "Recent patch to asus-wmi module makes system unbootable" [Undecided,Confirmed] [17:28] wow the unity overlay menu's are really slow right now [17:30] hmm rather compiz in its entirity [17:30] entirety* [17:30] whatever [17:36] * penguin42 waits for his pudding to bake [17:37] peterrus: OK, well I'm guessing that's as much debug you can get at that point, the only thing to do is to wait for the guy who wrote the patch or knows about it to suggest something [17:38] you bake a pudding 0_0? [17:39] ah well never made a pudding myself, so I cant tell [17:39] peterrus: Hey you're missing out! [17:40] peterrus: I notice in your logs CPU0: Package power limit notification (total events = 5814) then a Package power limit normal; that's pretty close together so that might just be it getting hot and then the fans coming on - but I don't think it should get to that level === tgrundle_ is now known as tgrundle [17:48] penguin42, I suppose, I have these in my logs for ages ;) [17:49] peterrus: May need your fan cleaning out [17:49] penguin42, its a brand new laptop [17:49] so ages might not be the correct word to use ;) [17:49] peterrus: OK, could be a symptom of more just broken ACPI stuff then [17:50] penguin42, probably, it's an IvyBridge CPU [17:50] so pretty new [17:50] nice [17:50] I am happy ubuntu is already running so well [17:50] when I just got it I spent every evening I had trying so get everything working xd [17:50] s/so/to [17:56] peterrus: (It's an Eve's pudding http://www.bbc.co.uk/food/recipes/evespudding_83911 recpie - although I make it about half that size) [17:57] looks good! [17:57] I think its more of a cake though [17:58] peterrus: It's sponge cake on top of apple; all baked together [18:12] Guys [18:12] update-notifier : Depends: update-notifier-common (= 0.121ubuntu1) but 0.120ubuntu2 is installed [18:12] any ideas? :> [18:14] Its caused, probably, by trying to install flashplugin-installer [18:14] now I cant remove it [18:19] ydoes a dist-upgrade work? [18:19] nope, same error [18:19] ironhalik: are there any bugs reported? [18:20] its not a bug, just a screwed up upgrade [18:20] 120ubuntu2 crashes when installing flash and you end up with a state you have to repair manualy [18:20] I think its something with the repos [18:20] or maybe that :> [18:20] download the new update-notifier packages from launchpad and install them manually with dpkg [18:20] then do apt-get install -f [18:21] k, ill try [18:21] ironhalik: if you remove update-notifier and update-notifier-common (assuming it doesn't start gutting your OS), you could then reinstall it [18:21] removing that is a bad idea [18:21] well, ubuntu-desktop depends on it [18:21] ironhalik: if it starts listing loads of key packages then abort the removal [18:22] hmm, sec [18:22] ok, installed update-notifier-common from launchpad and flashplayer is now installing [18:22] should work ok from here, thanks [18:24] ok - everything seems to work nively now, thanks again === Laif is now known as Laif` [21:59] does anyone find when you click the dekstop the wallpaper goes black [23:28] Is there a plug-in for apt to ask the local network (via multicast DNS) for package updates? [23:31] * penguin42 doesn't know of one, it can use an http proxy - can you find that via multicast DNS? [23:32] ah [23:32] Daemonik: squid-deb-proxy-client ? [23:32] penguin42, Perhaps a local daemon could ask the network with multicast-dns and present results to apt via a local http proxy? Seems a bit clunky though. [23:34] Daemonik: Yeh look at the description of squid-deb-proxy-client - looks like what you want? [23:36] penguin42, It's not what I want, though, it's a means to the end of what I want. The use case I have in mind is for Ubuntu machines to opportunistically share updates with one another. Suppose that I do an apt-get dist-upgrade over a fast fiber line, I'd like my machine to offer the DEBs I retrieved to my friend's laptop (suppose I drove out to the middle of nowhere) when his laptop is on the same network as mine. [23:36] Daemonik: Yeh [23:37] This would not only ease the burden on Ubuntu mirrors (not that I think they're over-burdened) but would greatly help mesh-networked environments. [23:37] Daemonik: You'd want to think the security through for that - ok, so the packages should be signed ok... [23:38] penguin42, I expected there would not be a need to mention it but I'm glad you brought that up. Ubuntu packages and APT metadata is already signed. We already pull packages over a hostile untrusted network (the internet). [23:38] Daemonik: How about debtorrent? [23:38]