[06:05]  * Kilos Waves good morning
[06:18] <Squirm> hi
[06:40] <Kilos> hi Squirm roryy 
[06:54] <Squirm> leaving jhb today
[06:54] <Squirm> bleh
[06:54] <Symmetria> sup
[06:55] <Squirm> lo Symmetria 
[06:55] <Symmetria> anyone here any good with gimp/photoshop/whatever :) 
[07:01] <Squirm> not me
[07:40] <Symmetria> heh
[07:40] <Symmetria> Im trying to write an innovation document, what a pain :)
[07:40] <Symmetria> actually very difficult to write a document to propose vague ideas and to quantify their benefits and their costs when they are all things no one has done before :p
[07:50] <Kilos> lol every day i learn something new
[07:53] <Kilos> http://www.freetechbooks.com/gimp-user-s-manual-t10.html
[07:55] <Symmetria> hehe I just suck at anything graphical
[07:55] <Kilos> Symmetria, ^^
[07:55] <Symmetria> :P I need a logo for my business cards hehe
[07:55] <Kilos> lol
[07:55] <Symmetria> and for documents
[07:56] <Kilos> i just use gimp to scale and crop photos
[10:03] <Kilos> hi psydroid 
[10:03] <Kilos> you here all on your lonesome
[10:04] <psydroid> hi Kilos
[10:04] <psydroid> yeah
[10:04] <psydroid> but I'm never really alone
[10:04] <Kilos> are you using unity
[10:04] <Kilos> hehe
[10:05] <psydroid> I'm in too many channels
[10:05] <Kilos> ah
[10:05] <psydroid> no, I don't use it
[10:05] <Kilos> ah
[10:05] <psydroid> I have kubuntu 12.04 installed
[10:05] <Kilos> im actually getting used to it slowly
[10:05] <psydroid> and ubuntu 10.04
[10:05] <Kilos> the fly and pro will love that
[10:06] <psydroid> it's not that bad, but I don't think it's for people like me
[10:07] <psydroid> I would probably use the gnome fallback option on ubuntu 12.04, if I installed it
[10:07] <psydroid> but the GUI makes sense on tablets
[10:07] <Kilos> gnome2 was easier and faster i think
[10:08] <charlvn> good morning
[10:08] <charlvn> afternoon actually
[10:08] <Kilos> i tried the fallback, it not exactly the same
[10:08] <charlvn> Maaz: coffee on
[10:08]  * Maaz flips the salt-timer
[10:08] <Kilos> preferences isnt in the top panel
[10:08] <Kilos> ho charlvn 
[10:08] <Kilos> Maaz, coffee please
[10:08] <Maaz> Kilos: Yessir
[10:09] <psydroid> good afternoon charlvn
[10:09] <charlvn> hi psydroid 
[10:09] <nuvolari> oh oh ! me too 
[10:09] <charlvn> hi nuvolari 
[10:09] <nuvolari> Maaz: coffee please
[10:09] <Maaz> nuvolari: Righto
[10:09] <nuvolari> howdy charlvn!
[10:09] <psydroid> it's not the same, but at least more functional to me
[10:09] <nuvolari> hi oom Kilos and psydroid 
[10:09] <Kilos> just found an advanced unity customize book
[10:10] <psydroid> hi nuvolari
[10:10] <Kilos> hi nuvolari 
[10:10] <Kilos> Maaz, unity customize
[10:10] <Maaz> http://ubuntuone.com/4hBTr1gcwxorEcCRd2cgnW
[10:10] <nuvolari> oom Kilos, just go xfce on ubuntu
[10:10] <Kilos> what you mean just go?
[10:10] <nuvolari> just use that if you're unhappy with unity
[10:11] <nuvolari> more like gnome 2 than gnome 3 or unity 
[10:11] <Kilos> no man im getting used to it
[10:11] <nuvolari> oh
[10:11] <nuvolari> :P
[10:11] <nuvolari> I thought you were complaining about it
[10:11] <Kilos> xfce hasnt got bottom panel right?
[10:12] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for charlvn, Kilos and nuvolari!
[10:12] <Kilos> Maaz, ty
[10:12] <Maaz> You are welcome Kilos
[10:12] <charlvn> Maaz: thanks
[10:12] <Maaz> charlvn: Okay :-)
[10:12] <charlvn> ok rain has cleared up so i'm about to jump on my bike
[10:12] <charlvn> ttyl all
[10:13] <Kilos> later dont fall off
[10:13] <Kilos> watch for wet patches where oil has gathered
[10:13] <Kilos> as in stops and robots etc
[10:14] <nuvolari> thank you Maaz 
[10:14] <nuvolari> Maaz: thank you
[10:14] <Maaz> nuvolari: Sure
[10:14] <nuvolari> Maaz: botsnack
[10:14] <Maaz> Yay, at last someone thinks about me as well
[10:45] <Symmetria> hrm
[10:45] <Symmetria> man, amazon irritates me
[10:45] <Symmetria> there is SO much stuff I would buy instead of pirating if it would just let me 
[10:45] <Symmetria> but nooooo Im in south africa, cant buy mp3s
[10:51] <magespawn> howdy all
[10:53] <magespawn> Maaz what is a botsnack?
[10:53] <Maaz> magespawn: I'm afraid I have no idea
[10:53] <magespawn> Maaz what do bots eat?
[10:53] <Maaz> magespawn: Not a clue, sorry
[10:53] <nuvolari> howdy magespawn 
[10:53] <magespawn> hey nuvolari
[10:53] <nuvolari> lol, text I suppose
[10:54] <magespawn> bits and bytes
[10:54]  * Cantide feeds Maaz some noodles
[10:55] <Cantide> magespawn, haha :)
[10:55] <nuvolari> howdy Cantide :>
[10:55] <Cantide> then do they nibble four bits at a time? '-'
[10:55] <Cantide> hi nuvolari :)
[10:55] <nuvolari> wow, I've been overwhelmed by tiredness
[10:55] <nuvolari> I'll go for touchdown now now
[10:56] <Cantide> haha
[10:56] <Cantide> good luck :p
[11:08] <Kilos> hi magespawn 
[11:08] <Kilos> hi Cantide 
[11:09] <Cantide> hello :
[11:09] <Cantide> :)
[11:10] <magespawn> hey Kilos
[14:24] <Kilos> hmm talkative bunch arent we
[14:35]  * Symmetria is trying to wrap his mind around ipsec vpns
[14:38] <Kilos> nuvolari, dis Kilo se sus, eks gekonfuse
[14:39] <Symmetria> hrm
[14:39] <nuvolari> Kilos: hi tannie, hoekom? :P
[14:40] <Symmetria> I managed to get all my internet traffic to my house via my vpn point encrypted
[14:40] <Kilos> het dogter se LG 500 en is so ver as *111# en moet nou bevel gee vir no4 maar hetti 'n keypad om op te tik ni
[14:40] <Symmetria>   <131073 ESP:3des/sha1 6d4560a0 553/  unlim   -   root 500   xxx.xx.xxx.xx
[14:40] <Symmetria>   >131073 ESP:3des/sha1 c236ce68 553/  unlim   -   root 500   xxx.xx.xxx.xx
[14:41] <Symmetria> wheeee
[14:51]  * Symmetria just bought a bunch of games :)
[14:51] <Symmetria> lol, I dont mind buying games when they are reasonably priced
[14:52] <Symmetria> C&C 3 = R75, lol
[15:03] <Banlam> when did C&C3 come out?
[15:03] <Banlam> 2 -3 years ago?
[15:04] <Cantide> errr... i didn't like it
[15:05] <Symmetria> yeah 2 or 3 years ago
[15:05] <Symmetria> *shrug* I still enjoy it
[15:05] <Cantide> to each their own :)
[16:07]  * superfly has bought a few games like that
[16:08] <inetpro> good evening
[16:08] <inetpro> C&C?
[16:09] <inetpro> Command & Conquer?
[16:12] <inetpro> Kilos: eks gekonfuse
[16:12] <Kilos> hoekom inetpro 
[16:13] <inetpro> you talking out of context
[16:13] <Kilos> about?
[16:13] <inetpro> about a daughter and a LG500
[16:13] <Kilos> you tell me I dont read
[16:14] <inetpro> but perhaps it's me who didn't follow previous conversations
 Kilos: hi tannie, hoekom? :P
[16:14] <Kilos> you have seen me do I look like a tannie
[16:14] <Kilos> was my sister and nuvo
[16:14] <inetpro> :-)
[16:14] <Kilos> hehe
[16:15] <inetpro> ai
[16:17] <Kilos> her daughter handed in her lg because it wasnt charging. then she left to work in namibia for a month or so and lg delivered the fone to my sis and it still dont charge
[16:17] <Kilos> so she was trying to transfer the airtime to her daughter but is totally lost on that touch screen thing
[16:18] <inetpro> yikes
[16:18] <inetpro> ok, now things are starting to make sense :-)
[16:18] <Kilos> and she gave her daughter her nokia to take with so they got mxit contact
[16:18] <Kilos> but cant buy voda airtime there
[16:19] <inetpro> eish!
[16:19] <Kilos> im just the one with access to you guys that know things but made her do her own typing
[16:20] <Kilos> shoulda done a nick change i suppose
[16:20] <Kilos> sorry
[16:20] <inetpro> Kilos: no stress
[16:20] <inetpro> I just couldn't understand the encrypted message
[16:21] <Kilos> lol
[16:22]  * inetpro wbb
[16:22] <Kilos> k
[16:56] <smile> hi all :)
[16:56] <smile> I have a question
[16:56] <magespawn> evening y'all
[16:57] <smile> How to translate this in Afrikaans? Question language
[16:57] <smile> Is that Vraag taal?
[16:57] <smile> :p
[16:57] <nuvolari> smile: in what context?
[16:58] <magespawn> direct translation that right
[16:58] <nuvolari> "Question language:" or "Question language?"
[16:58] <smile> nuvolari: Well it's a program for teaching words :)
[16:59] <smile> nuvolari: "Question language:"
[16:59] <nuvolari> smile: yeah, then that's perfect
[16:59] <Kilos> bevraag taal
[16:59] <smile> Kilos: sure? :)
[16:59] <Kilos> hi smile magespawn nuvolari 
[16:59] <nuvolari> howdy oom Kilos 
[16:59] <magespawn> hey Kilos
[16:59] <Kilos> what are you actually asking
[17:00] <Kilos> questioning what language is being used or what
[17:00] <nuvolari> smile: oom Kilos' version would be for the 2nd form
[17:00] <smile> Kilos: A teaching program asks which language to ask questions in
[17:00] <smile> :p
[17:00] <smile> nuvolari: so yours is better? :p
[17:00] <nuvolari> as in 'question [the] language'
[17:00] <nuvolari> smile: not better, correct :P
[17:00] <smile> Okay! :D
[17:01] <nuvolari> (according to the context) :>
[17:01] <Kilos> oh you wanted it in english
[17:01] <Kilos> yes nuvo has it
[17:01] <Kilos> question the language of choice
[17:01] <smile> nuvolari: so, Answer language: becomes Antwoord taal: or Antwoordtaal? :)
[17:01] <Kilos> reply
[17:02] <nuvolari> smile: 2 words
[17:02] <smile> nuvolari: ok :)
[17:02] <nuvolari> smile: is it for kids or grownups?
[17:02] <nuvolari> because I would prase it a little bit differently
[17:03] <nuvolari> "Taal om in te antwoord"
[17:03] <smile> nuvolari: for 11-24 ;)
[17:03] <magespawn> phrase
[17:03] <nuvolari> ack
[17:03] <nuvolari> thank you magespawn 
[17:03] <nuvolari> :P
[17:03] <smile> nuvolari: so, it doesn't matter. I would like to stay as closely as possible to the English version :p
[17:03] <nuvolari> only checking if you pay attention
[17:04] <magespawn> np, no worries
[17:04] <magespawn> lol
[17:04] <Kilos> not taal van keuse nuvolari 
[17:04] <Kilos> or keuse van taal
[17:04] <Kilos> sjoe i go lie down
[17:04] <smile> bye :)
[17:04] <smile> @ Kilos 
[17:04] <Kilos> toods smile
[17:05] <smile> nuvolari: I think Hint in English just stays Hint in Afrikaans? :)
[17:05] <smile> Kilos: goodbye, see ya :)
[17:05] <Kilos> skimp
[17:05] <magespawn> later Kklos
[17:05] <Kilos> huh
[17:05] <magespawn> Kilos
[17:05] <Kilos> no man
[17:05] <nuvolari> smile: leidraad
[17:05] <Kilos> i was running from the language thing
[17:05] <magespawn> lol
[17:06] <smile> nuvolari: or aanwysing / tip ?
[17:06] <Kilos> not easy to just change 2 words without know where they gonna be used
[17:06] <smile> It's a hint for an unknown word :)
[17:06] <smile> Like @ hang man
[17:06] <nuvolari> smile: aanwysing is more like direction
[17:07] <smile> nuvolari: ok :) I think tip is the most accurate, don't you think?
[17:07] <nuvolari> but tip is not afrikaans?
[17:07] <nuvolari> leidraad would be the clearest description :P
[17:07] <magespawn> thats what the wife says too
[17:08] <smile> nuvolari: really not? :o
[17:09] <nuvolari> smile: tip in afrikaans would be like tipping over
[17:09] <smile> nuvolari: I see :D
[17:09] <smile> nuvolari: are you bored of me asking questions ;) or can I ask some more
[17:09] <smile> :p
[17:09] <Kilos> go on we are all learning
[17:10] <magespawn> indeed
[17:10] <Kilos> is this a questioaire you are vertaling
[17:10] <nuvolari> if the others don't mind 
[17:10] <magespawn> i don't
[17:10] <smile> Kilos: yeah, a part of an app ;)
[17:10] <smile> Sort becomes Sorteer, right? :)
[17:10] <Banlam> correct
[17:10] <nuvolari> correct
[17:10] <Kilos> ok so its like language----
[17:11] <Kilos> and you enter your choice there?
[17:11] <nuvolari> you should watch Noot-vir-Noot :P
[17:11] <Kilos> yo Banlam you came to life
[17:11] <Banlam> yes i did
[17:12] <smile> Ask foreign - known => Vraag vreemde - bekende
[17:12] <nuvolari> hrr. is it possible to have the same photo's in multiple albums on picasa?
[17:12] <smile> ? :)
[17:12] <smile> nuvolari: Not sure, but I think it's impossible
[17:12] <Banlam> smile, what does that mean?
[17:12] <Banlam> ask  foreign?
[17:12] <magespawn> yes it is nuvolari
[17:12] <smile> They mean: ask words from the foreign language or ask words from the known language
[17:13] <smile> magespawn: really?
[17:13] <Kilos> i would add taal to vreemde and bekende
[17:13] <nuvolari> smile: ah, then rather "vraag van vreemde of bekende"
[17:13] <Banlam> smile, would be "Vra vreemd"
[17:13] <Banlam> or the whole sentence
[17:13] <smile> Vra van vreemde of bekende ? :)
[17:13] <magespawn> i think you have to do it on the local machine
[17:14] <Banlam> smile, no like nuvolari 
[17:14] <Banlam> i was getting confused
[17:14] <smile> Banlam: ok :)
[17:14] <nuvolari> magespawn: eek, using the picasa app?
[17:14] <magespawn> on the web you can you just upload to two albums
[17:15] <magespawn> long time since i used it 
[17:15]  * nuvolari is actually trying to save on uploads :P
[17:15] <magespawn> is that problem?
[17:15] <magespawn> ahh okay then
[17:16] <nuvolari> I pretty much want duplicates, or for the images to show up in 2 places
[17:16] <nuvolari> like tagging
[17:16] <nuvolari> but I don't know how to retrieve tagged photo's in google+
[17:16] <nuvolari> I don't think it's possible
[17:17] <magespawn> not sure I will have look in the morning 
[17:17] <nuvolari> ag, I'm just going to extract the photo's to a different album
[17:17] <nuvolari> can't do harm
[17:18] <Kilos> hehe just had a memory from dunno when
[17:19] <nuvolari> oh! there's copy :>
[17:19] <Kilos> the guy said i can speak all languages except greek
[17:19] <magespawn> Kilos?
[17:19] <nuvolari> magespawn: found the copy option!
[17:19] <magespawn> ahh thought there was one
[17:19] <Kilos> ask him say this in a language and hed say thats greek to me
[17:21] <smile> Unnamed = naamloos ? :D
[17:22] <nuvolari> smile: unnamed what?
[17:22] <nuvolari> it might sound stupid but I need a context as it might have different meanings/translations :P
[17:22] <smile> Not sure :P
[17:22] <smile> ^^
[17:23] <nuvolari> hmm ok, ya, naamloos will have to do
[17:23] <smile> I submitted that
[17:23] <smile> :p
[17:23] <smile> it's located in words.py
[17:24] <Kerbero> watter program?
[17:25] <smile> Kerbero: OpenTeacher :)
[17:25] <smile> www.openteacher.org
[17:26] <Kerbero> o interessant
[17:26] <smile> Ja :)
[17:27] <nuvolari> sheesh, it's hard work to sort through photo's after an outing
[17:27] <smile> it is ;)
[17:32] <smile> !help
[17:32] <smile> Maaz: help
[17:32] <Maaz> smile: I can help you with: looking things up, remembering things, delivering messages, decisions, games, monitoring things, browsing the internet, conversions, silly fun stuff, calculations, system administration, software development and south african stuff.
[17:32] <Maaz> Ask me "help me with ..." for more details.
[17:32] <smile> Maaz: help me with looking things up
[17:32] <Maaz> smile: I use the following features for looking things up: apt-file, aptitude, bash, bible, dict, distance, dns, factoid, feeds, fml, fortune, google, help, imdb, lastfm, lotto, mac, man, microblog, mlia, oeis, ports, rfc, seen, tfln, tinyurl, tld, translate, tvshow, unicode, weather and youtube
[17:32] <Maaz> Ask me "how do I use ..." for more details.
[17:32] <smile> Maaz: how do I use google
[17:32] <Maaz> smile: Retrieves results from Google and Google Calculator. You can use it like this:
[17:32] <Maaz>   google[.<tld>] [for] <term>
[17:32] <Maaz>   googlefight [for] <term> and <term>
[17:32] <Maaz>   gcalc <expression>
[17:32] <Maaz>   gdefine <term>
[17:32] <smile> Maaz: google don't make me think
[17:32] <Maaz> smile: "Amazon.com: Don't Make Me Think: A Common Sense Approach to ..." http://www.amazon.com/Dont-Make-Me-Think-Usability/dp/0321344758 :: "Don't Make Me Think! A Common Sense Approach to Web Usability ..." http://www.amazon.com/Think-Common-Sense-Approach-Usability/dp/0789723107 :: "Advanced Common Sense - Don't Make Me Think" http://www.sensible.com/dmmt.html :: "Advanced Common Sense - Steve Krug's Web site" http://www.sensible.com/ ::
[17:35] <magespawn> lol
[17:42] <Kilos> wb roryy 
[17:42] <Kilos> kbmonkey, ping
[18:04] <roryy> evening
[18:07] <Kilos> hi there
[18:09] <inetpro> smile: ping
[18:10] <smile> inetpro: ping! :p
[18:10] <inetpro> you should ask these language related questions at #zaf
[18:10] <smile> Okay, thanks ;)
[18:10] <inetpro> the channel has not been busy lately but the guys from translate.org.za hang out there
[18:11] <inetpro> they are the experts when it comes to translations
[18:12] <Kilos> smile, ^^
[18:13] <Kilos> experts
[18:13] <smile> ;)
[18:13] <smile> I like that ^^
[18:13] <smile> Just a bit more :D
[18:13] <Kilos> they shouldnt um er dunno lemme thing 
[18:13] <Kilos> hehe
[18:13] <inetpro> hmm...
[18:13] <smile> All language-skilled people should join that channel! now! Come to #zaf :)
[18:13] <Kilos> think
[18:14] <Kilos> hehe
[18:14] <smile> ^^
[18:14] <inetpro> smile: in fact those guys have built some fancy tools to assist in translating stuffs
[18:15] <inetpro> like pootle
[18:15] <Kilos> theres near no one there
[18:15] <smile> inetpro: cool :)
[18:16] <inetpro> Kilos: eh
[18:17] <inetpro> Kilos: 2 operators and 6 users - no one ?
[18:17] <inetpro> Kilos: 2 operators and 6 users = no one ?
[18:17] <Kilos> lol im one of them and you
[18:19] <smile> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=7tUxrwYrwqo&NR=1 <- Kilos, like it? :)
[18:19] <Kilos> no man i dont do the tube
[18:20] <smile> :(
[18:20] <smile> it's called mutual attraction
[18:20] <smile> with a lot of funky rhythm :)
[18:24] <inetpro> smile: Tools to help you make your software local http://translate.sourceforge.net/wiki/
[18:25] <smile> It's not my software :)
[18:25] <smile> but, I'll give it a look
[18:25] <smile> :p
[18:25] <smile> I guess that's DokuWiki
[18:26] <smile> And the icon proves I'm right
[18:26] <smile> :)
[18:33] <smile> bye :)
[18:34] <inetpro> smile: totsiens
[18:34] <Kilos> magespawn, where you find a boere meisie in natal
[18:34] <Kilos> toods smile 
[18:34] <Kilos> kip cool
[18:34] <smile> good night! :D
[18:34] <smile> inetpro: totsiens :)
[18:35] <inetpro> Kilos: does he use Ubuntu?
[18:35] <Kilos> inetpro, who?
[18:35] <inetpro> Kilos: smil
[18:35] <inetpro> smile*
[18:35] <Kilos> he has tried them all using smexy or something now
[18:36] <inetpro> ahh
[18:36] <Kilos> not a unity fan
[18:36] <Kilos> looks like i will end up here the only one on unity
[18:36] <inetpro> because another translation too I have seen is called virtaal
[18:36] <inetpro> aptitude show virtaal
[18:36] <Kilos> ja dis reg
[18:37] <inetpro> tool*
[18:38] <Kilos> didnt you tell me bout it 2 or 3 years ago as well
[18:38] <inetpro> could be
[18:38] <magespawn> Kilos she is not from Natal
[18:38] <Kilos> lol
[18:38] <Kilos> a valie
[18:39] <magespawn> Klerksdorp NW
[18:39] <Kilos> ah there be some kif chicks here in the highveld
[18:39] <Kilos> was lekker lifesaving in toti
[18:40] <magespawn> I am from JHB
[18:40] <magespawn> lol
[18:40] <Kilos> they all go there on holiday
[18:40] <Kilos> how did you end up in hluhluwe
[18:41] <magespawn> and none can swim as well as the natal girls so need lots of life saving
[18:41] <Kilos> ya i loved it
[18:41] <magespawn> field guiding in the game reserve
[18:41] <Kilos> first thing i had to give up when i got serious with ians mom
[18:41] <Kilos> sigh
[18:41] <magespawn> lol
[18:42] <magespawn> maybe not a bad thing though
[18:42] <Kilos> yeah i coulda ended up speaking the taal
[18:46] <magespawn> i am outa here for tonight, sleep well y'all
[18:46] <superfly> night magespawn
[18:47] <Kilos> night magespawn 
[18:47] <Kilos> lekker slaap
[18:47] <Kilos> hi superfly 
[18:47] <superfly> hi Kilos
[18:59] <roryy> night all
[19:45] <Symmetria> dammit
[19:45] <Symmetria> my dog just stole a cup of coffee off my desk
[19:45] <Symmetria> some how managed to carry it in her mouth to where my mother was sitting in the study 
[19:45] <Symmetria> and drop it at her feet
[19:45] <Symmetria> broken cup, and coffee everywhere
[19:45] <Symmetria> crazy mutt
[19:45] <nlsthzn> :)
[19:46] <Symmetria> cant decide if she's smart or stupid :P LOL, smart to be able to pick up the cup like that 
[19:46] <Symmetria> stupid to go drop it on the floor :p
[19:46] <Symmetria> hehe
[19:46] <Symmetria> lol, then she ran and hid behind me when my mom shouted at her looking all guilty
[19:49] <Kilos> night all, sleep tight