[00:09] äsch, need to sleep [00:09] see you tomorrow! [00:10] night :) === yofel_ is now known as yofel [01:26] ok, pages tagged and mail sent to ubuntu-doc list about access to xubuntu-doc: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/2012-August/016793.html [02:32] knome: if software center meets our needs, sure [02:39] I'd say app-install-data, usc, and depends would free up more room. :---D [02:46] Unit193: yeah, but that leaves us without the ability to purchase apps [02:47] That it would. [06:44] knome: mr_pouit: synaptic removal done (should give us at least 2.3MB) === fmolinero is now known as fmolinero_ [09:21] micahg, that and apt-get for advanced stuff. also, synaptic is phasing out anyway. [14:13] ochosi: ping [14:34] http://www.typewith.me/p/x-q-beta-uif-prepping [14:35] knome: mind if i add more theme-stuff to this list? [14:35] ochosi, not at all [14:35] ochosi: ping [14:35] ochosi, especially feel free to describe the specific items [14:35] ochosi, this is a list of everything that should be done by UIF !! [14:36] (except the xfce 4.10-item, which would be good to have for beta) [14:36] ochosi, we should probably review the lightdm-theme workitems [14:36] smartboyhw: hi [14:38] ochosi, since those aren't official work items, i'll group them there [14:39] k, why not [14:39] Sorry, ochosi, a bit wrong of XChat. === yofel_ is now known as yofel [16:46] ok, writing marketing target audience for real now [16:46] also, I figured something out [16:46] ok? [16:46] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BurningIsoHowto#Xubuntu_Prior_to_10.10 [16:47] yeah [16:47] that was known [16:47] but not tagged [16:47] ;) [16:47] the images themselves are tagged CategoryXubuntu - but ack, prior to 10.10? [16:47] should we do something about this? [16:48] do we still have a burner by default? [16:48] xfburn [16:48] but we should delete that section [16:48] for sure.. [16:48] should we update it to ues xfburn? [16:49] we probably need to write on that to the documentation as well [16:49] yeah [16:49] maybe create a workitem and update the wiki later, since there's no rush for it for UIF... [16:49] ok [16:51] pleia2, http://www.typewith.me/p/x-q-beta-uif-prepping [16:52] we need to get those done by thu [16:52] :] [16:55] * pleia2 nods [16:55] I emailed the doc list about who all has rights to upload to xubuntu-doc, but it went off in the wiki direction [16:55] hopefully someone who knows something will notice and answer my first question ;) [16:56] yes, i noticed that mail [16:56] and I've now set up redirection to Installation for all three install docs (english, spanish and german) [16:57] so all left to do is fix up BurningIsoHowto and the Compiz page [16:57] sweet [16:57] oh, and on the website I'll update the /tour screenshots today [16:57] shiny [16:58] maybe it'd make sense to look at the /tour and ubiquity at the same time? [16:58] what about ubiquity? [16:58] we need to update the slideshow [16:58] pleia2, we're going to update the installer slideshow [16:58] with Q screenshots and all [16:58] ah, right [16:58] but we can also discuss whether we want new/other slides [16:59] sure [16:59] I was planning on just using -P screenshots for /tour [16:59] i started looking at the slideshow today [16:59] but then we're kinda behind with the screenshots in a month... [16:59] yeah, but I wasn't sure our Q ones would be perfect yet :) [16:59] we can probably get away with updating after UIF quite easily; everybody always does that [16:59] (re: slideshow) [17:00] but now I'm giving myself too much work because I was planning on doing some iso testing along with -Q screenshots too ;) better get to it [17:01] heh [17:03] mr_pouit, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xubuntu-default-settings/+bug/1041892 [17:03] Launchpad bug 1041892 in xubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu) "Update terminalrc" [Undecided,Confirmed] [17:04] ochosi, do you expect to get a lot of reports of missing icons/do you have time to fix before UIF (re: elem-xfce) [17:04] rethink https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-q-xubuntu-elementary-xfce after answering [17:07] knome: well i hope not :} [17:07] ok, in that case, can we "DONE" most of those? [17:07] at least "report" [17:07] and what about "implement" [17:07] is that the same as bug #1006416 [17:07] Launchpad bug 1006416 in xubuntu-artwork (Ubuntu) "Add missing icons to elementary-xfce" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1006416 [17:22] schuss [17:23] yeah [17:23] that's practically the same [17:24] ok [17:26] äsch, tb in albatross fails [17:26] :] [17:27] or maybe it's some weird thing here [17:27] hmm [17:27] ochosi, see your inbox [17:30] knome: do you have an in-action screenshot as well? [17:30] nope, i didn't test it [17:30] * knome hides [17:31] sry, i'm busy with fixing bluebird right now [17:32] np, try it when you can [17:32] send me a screenshot when you can :} [17:32] i don't personally use those launcher panels, so i don't have a strong opinion [17:32] me neither [17:32] wha's the def height? [17:33] 48 i think [17:33] odd, it seems it's 46 [17:33] in my vm [17:33] we should double-check with lionel [17:34] http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/quantal_blueprints/launcherpanel.png [17:34] i don't know why the img repeats oddly [17:35] yeah, just wanted to point that out [17:35] (look at "notes" [17:35] it's the exact same image with mods [17:35] doesn't look bad [17:35] but i think now the launchers need more padding [17:35] me too [17:35] otherwise they look crammed onto it too much [17:36] are we proposing this change to be a default? [17:36] the panel-bg? [17:36] y [17:36] originally the idea was to have a bg so that the launcherpanel would also work without compositing [17:36] mm-hmm [17:36] (that was when astraljava was still exploring switching compositing on/off by default) [17:36] but i think it makes sense to use the bg image anyway [17:36] but if that isn't enabled by default, how can we make sure that image is proposed by default :] [17:37] (the answer is: probably no way) [17:38] but i don't want to add padding to other panels [17:38] ? [17:38] if we add padding for that panel, doesn't it mean the other panel gets padding too [17:38] 20:35 ochosi: but i think now the launchers need more padding [17:38] or do you mean just launchers? [17:38] i'm not sure if i want that either... [17:38] :) [17:38] just launchers ofc [17:42] bbl [17:54] knome: it would help to reduce the top-border of the bg-image for the launcher-panel [18:22] oh dear, my touchpad isn't working in this 12.10 daily [18:25] at all? check if synaptics isn't loaded or it's just disabled [18:26] at all, plugged in a usb mouse and that isn't working either (usually does) [18:27] no modules including "syn" loaded [18:28] xinput list isn't showing it [18:40] odd [18:40] i have a mouse-problem with my mouse in vbox [18:40] no scrollwheel [18:41] ochosi: should there still be color mismatch issues in menus in the daily builds? [18:42] pleia2: what theme? [18:42] default [18:42] i'm afraid you'd have to test the theme/s from git to be able to tell [18:42] ah ok [18:42] i'm using an updated quantal box [18:42] no color-mismatch here [18:42] was just wondering if it had been released to the images [18:44] i think not yet [18:44] ochosi, http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/quantal_blueprints/greybird-tb-compose.png [18:44] ochosi, is that expected? the main tb window has black icons [18:44] i'm not touching tb again [18:44] this is not related to our theme at all [18:45] ochosi, see http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/quantal_blueprints/greybird-tb-main.png [18:45] yeah, we had icon-issues with tb before [18:45] i changed nothing that is relevant in the gtk theme [18:45] so something must be wrong with tb [18:45] (again) [18:46] :| [18:47] Guys: Why is xfburn - in 12.10 - listed in both Accesoires and Multimedia ?? [18:49] SkippersBoss, because it is added to both categories [18:49] ok, i think i only have to fix the resize-grip and the radio/checkbuttons in bluebird, then it's usable again in 12.10 [18:50] good [18:50] our prepping list looks quite good actually, i have to say [18:50] much better than i thought it would look today [18:51] woot, our completion bar is green! [18:53] so, synaptics module won't load, but in ubuntu 12.04 it's not loaded either and works fine, but it shows up in xinput too [18:54] (the module doesn't exist in either place) [18:54] xinput in 12.04 does show it as SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad [18:55] evdev might be used instead of synaptics [18:55] micahg, http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/quantal_blueprints/greybird-tb-compose.png and http://temp.knome.fi/xubuntu/quantal_blueprints/greybird-tb-main.png - any idea why the icons aren't black on both TB windows? [18:55] xorg and udev can also be broken [18:56] pleia2, shiny wiki edit [18:57] well, /lib/modules is broken :\ after booting up this new install I have /lib/modules/3.5.0-1 but my kernel is -6 [18:57] so modprobe and everything complains [18:57] meh, unico-engine is becoming more and more useless :( [18:58] Sysi: I don't have synaptics or evdev modules (is evdev a module?) [18:59] pleia2: you could check what 12.04 uses with lspci -k [19:03] I looked through that but I couldn't find anything looking obviously like a touchpad [19:04] http://paste.ubuntu.com/1168595/ [19:04] clearly it just works with magic [19:12] hm, touchpad works ok in the 12.10 livecd [19:13] from 8/22 though, my installed version is from 8/26 [20:04] pleia2, around? [20:05] mhmm [20:05] good! [20:22] yay, last thing on marketing blueprint is the pamphlet/handout items \o/ [20:32] pleia2, what's the plan with docs anyway? [20:35] well hopefully someone on the ubuntu-doc list will reply [20:35] so we can actually get our changes into the package [20:35] when have you planned the converting to docbook? [20:35] what's all this "you" stuff :) [20:35] I am swamped with other things :( [20:35] i thought you had an idea since you told stuff needs to be ready in a week ;) [20:36] if you haven't got one, np [20:36] lol [20:36] we need a for real docs lead [20:36] yes. [20:37] i'm worried about the docs look [20:37] if we get that in before UIF... wonderful [20:37] then we have again time until sep 20 for magic [20:37] so, the alt image is doing installs that end up with the 3.0.5-1 kernel [20:37] desktop gets you 3.0.5-11 [20:38] and lightdm theme is different [20:38] hmm.. [20:38] could this have something to do with ubuntu dropping alt? [20:38] not a clue [20:38] me neither [20:39] I'll try to find time to do this on some VMs later this week [20:39] ok, good [20:39] wow, that sounds odd [20:39] why would the kernel be different [20:39] wait... [20:39] there was some discussion about newer kernel breaking proprietary nvidia drivers [20:39] that's maybe why you are held back? [20:40] or sth [20:40] when I boot up after alt, it also tells me I need like 500 updates [20:40] haha [20:40] so I am suspecting something is quite wrong [20:40] probably yes [20:40] from what date is the alt? :P [20:40] today [20:40] no, but really? :P [20:40] desktop is from 4 days ago (last time it created one) [20:40] hmm [20:41] well yeah, definitely doesn't sound like a problem that's on our side [20:41] oh [20:41] ok yeah, don't listen to me [20:41] haha [20:41] I burned the old i386 image instead of the 64 \o/ [20:41] sorry :) [20:41] why would we listen our marketing lead? [20:42] clearly I just have fluff-for-brains [20:42] ok, let's do this again, but with the right iso :) [20:43] don't say typewith.me is dying again [20:48] we really need somebody from the docs team to help us [20:49] do we know anybody from the team that's bribable? [20:50] hmm, i had lunch at UDS-J with one of the doc committers [20:50] :P [20:52] i met j1mc in vienna a while ago, but i think we lost him to gnome [20:52] probably [20:53] he might be able to help us though, if somebody got a hold of him [20:53] i have his mobile #, but i don't think that's the right way to approach [20:55] heh [20:55] maybe not [20:55] i'm "friends" with him on g+ [20:56] i can get in touch with him [20:56] but i need a specific question/reason [20:56] like "can you mentor us in ubuntu docs related questions?" [21:00] ok, will try that [21:00] ok, thanks [21:01] np [21:13] ok, contacted him [21:14] good [21:22] bug 1041955 was pretty amusing [21:22] Launchpad bug 1041955 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Thunar opens for all disks if manually partitioning" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1041955 [21:22] * pleia2 screen-full-of-thunar [21:22] o.O [21:22] lol [21:23] and the alt is failing at the moment :( dependency issues [21:27] meh [21:36] made bug 1041959 for it [21:36] Launchpad bug 1041959 in xubuntu-meta (Ubuntu) "Xubuntu 12.10 Alternate Installer fails with indicator-application-gk2 dependencies" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1041959 [21:48] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BurningIsoHowto#Xubuntu \o/ [21:48] heh [21:48] congrats pleia2 [21:49] seems the screeners are a bit older :) [21:50] those are 12.04, should be fine [21:50] weird xfwm then. [21:50] ah right :) [21:50] yup [21:50] oh right, I should have switched to the default theme [21:50] and funny font :) [21:50] yeah... :D [21:51] well the instructions are fixed anyway ;) I'll get proper screenshots [21:51] meh, the pad is playing games on me [21:51] pleia2: hehe, no worries ;) [21:51] pleia2, awwh, now you have to burn another CD! [21:51] * knome giggles and hides [21:51] don't actually have to burn it! [21:51] gotcha [21:52] oh great pad [21:52] let me work! [21:52] it keeps disconnecting me, I gave up [21:53] fsst [21:54] http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-quantal/group/topic-quantal-flavor-xubuntu.html [21:54] look at that [21:54] the green bar touches the mainline [21:54] impossible! :p [21:55] now if i only got the pad working, i could mark one more thing as DONE [21:56] and oh so little "blocked" stuff [21:56] heh [22:00] COME OOOON [22:07] ok, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BurningIsoHowto#Xubuntu is better now [22:07] good [22:07] hmm [22:07] i wrote "good" somewhere and pressed enter [22:07] :P [22:07] haha [22:07] * pleia2 works on /tour screenshots [22:07] ok, i think that bluebird should be usable now [22:08] bugs banished for now [22:08] time to fix the lightdm-theming [22:10] gooood [22:12] pleia2, i reviewed https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Development/ReleaseProcess [22:16] ochosi: should these look this way? http://princessleia.com/temp/apps_0-q.png [22:16] additional sheets in gnumeric, much black in abiword [22:16] gnumeric probably yes, abiword not [22:16] abiword is a known issue upstream [22:16] that's a gtk3 bug [22:16] oh, abiword bug [22:16] mr_pouit knows about it [22:16] * knome ducks under the table [22:16] i submitted a bugreport one release ago upstream [22:16] I suppose this is the trouble with taking screenshots from -q right now :) [22:17] pleia2, leave abiword out :)) [22:17] they managed fixing it upstream last week (!) [22:17] ochosi, woot? [22:17] mr_pouit is looking into importing the fix for us [22:17] that's all i can say for now [22:17] gnumeric uses special widgets, it's really a bitch with themes... [22:17] special widgets == custom widgets [22:18] ochosi, watch the language or... [22:18] ;) [22:18] maybe I'll just take them from precise for now [22:19] YAY PAD IS WORKING [22:31] ok, i think lightdm theming is starting to wor [22:31] k [22:38] pleia2, http://typewith.me/p/x-devel-rewrite [22:38] pleia2, feel free to review and fix errors [22:38] ochosi too, if you have time [22:42] knome: sry, busy with this: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-08272012-124230am.php [22:42] heh :) [22:43] np [22:43] pleia2, this is the last page of the website review! [22:43] ochosi, it already looks quite nice :) [22:43] ochosi, not optimal, but better than most [22:45] this is just the beginning [22:45] yeah, i know [22:45] i was just trying to make you feel needed [22:45] :) [22:45] ok, http://xubuntu.org/tour/ is done :) [22:45] \o/ [22:46] * knome feels like there is nothing this team can't achieve [22:46] [lyz] Cleanup and review community wiki: INPROGRESS [22:46] isn't that DONE? [22:46] heh [22:46] :) [22:47] except maybe one thing [22:47] START TO WORK ON TIME [22:47] :] [22:47] knome: once I test and fix the compiz instructions [22:47] oki [22:47] I need to get some food right now, I r teh hungry [22:47] you are meh hungry [22:47] at least from the knome POV [22:47] :) [22:48] i'll stay up for a bit longer [22:48] how long will you stuff food into your mouth? [22:49] like 20 minutes :P [22:49] hehe [22:49] fair enough [22:50] * knome will do something for like 20 [22:50] brb [22:52] http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-08272012-125227am.php [22:52] almost done ^ [22:55] :) [22:55] shiny [22:56] i think i'll make the login-button look special somehow [22:58] mm [22:59] maybe make the text lighter (as the Session/English buttons are)? [23:00] drc: yeah, that's just a bug [23:01] Sorry [23:01] np :) [23:01] anyway, i hope the stupid "cancel" button can go away [23:01] it's utterly useless [23:03] well, if the cancel button goes away, then the login button doesn't need to standout, does it? [23:03] ochosi, what about making it blue? [23:04] ochosi, like you did with the default buttons [23:04] yeah, was also considering green tbh [23:04] GREEN? [23:04] :) [23:04] heh [23:04] yeh [23:04] mostly for fun :) [23:05] hah [23:05] but also because i'm curious [23:06] anyway, think i'll push what i have pretty soon [23:06] :) [23:09] knome: are we merging QA and Development mages? [23:09] pages [23:09] oh, it's just fixing bugs in this pad [23:10] yup [23:13] pleia2, nahhhhh [23:13] pleia2, that's been said at http://xubuntu.org/contribute/ [23:14] the join devel list one? [23:14] yeah [23:15] ok [23:15] trying to keep that as generic as possible, and the subpages as specific as possible to not duplicate information [23:17] seems like transparency isn't working here: http://www.zimagez.com/zimage/screenshot-08272012-011703am.php [23:17] otherwise we could make a nice rounded box [23:17] ochosi, heh. funky. :) [23:17] ok, I think this looks good [23:17] great [23:17] i'll update the website then! [23:17] I _some links_ [23:18] i noticed, will take care of those [23:18] thanks [23:18] what they should link to are on the current /development [23:18] yeah [23:19]