[00:06] <Starn> no one?
[00:07] <melodie_> yes
[00:07] <Starn> yes to what?
[00:07] <melodie_> yes I am here
[00:07] <melodie_> I read you post
[00:07] <melodie_> you want to autologin right ?
[00:08] <Starn> yes.. and after that i am going to setup cronjob to automatically start two programs (but i believe i can do that
[00:09] <melodie_> Starn, and I suppose it is a different question ?
[00:10] <melodie_> Starn, not easy to see what you conf file looks like. can you paste it's content to http://pastebin.com and bring the link here ?
[00:16] <Starn> yes
[00:16] <Starn> sorry i had to answer my door.. and i know how to do cronjobs so there shouldn't be any questions in that area.. just this one. taking screen shot of terminal.
[00:17] <Starn> what's screenshot key "prtscn" isn't working.  than again i am remoted in atm..
[00:19] <Starn> http://pastebin.com/2igF34Rs    sorry you said pastbin i'm running mentally slow today
[00:38] <melodie_> Starn, try it this way : http://pastebin.com/zqv39R1u
[00:38] <melodie_> Starn, I didn't see at once you had answered
[00:39] <Starn> it's ok.. also the 5 is 5 seconds correct?
[00:39] <melodie_> Starn, once done restart lightdm:
[00:39] <melodie_> sudo service lightdm restart
[00:40] <melodie_> Starn, i think so, at least you can try it as "5" for 5 seconds
[00:41] <Starn> alright was checking 'cause this machine has no monitor and i'm remoted into it.. and don't have money for one and don't want to disconnect from this.. so before i reboot computer to try i am making my remote software auto start.
[00:42] <Starn> file saved restarting lightdm
[00:42] <melodie_> ok
[00:43] <melodie_> I have looked at the doc in the french ubuntu-fr.org, this is where I found the information. I had to compare your file with mine though to get it all
[00:44] <Starn> oh alright..  oh o.. be right back gotta plug this monitor in to it and turn remote service back on... :\
[00:44] <melodie_> ok
[01:10] <Starn> melodie_ i got it all working now :) thanks!! it automatically logs in and my remote software starts automatically as well. the actual server stuff i have doesn't start automatically, but i'm not to worried about that for only time machine is going off is by me remotely rebooting it or power going off and  i'm almost always home. i'm only aiming for 80-90% uptime not a 99% uptime.
[01:11] <melodie_> good !
[01:12] <melodie_> Starn, I am happy to know that it works.
[01:12] <Starn> melodie_: the autologin part was my biggest issue haha. now everything functions the way i want.. you're the best! in away this computer is linked to the server feels kinda like running a VM but with dedicated hardware and is oddly able to view youtube without display lag.. sweet.
[01:13] <melodie_> the doc was ok too. :D
[01:13] <melodie_> the wiki fr for ubuntu is quite good and complete
[01:14] <Starn> i looked at the english docs and did as they said but clearly that didn't work. thanks for being able to read french :)
[01:14] <melodie_> Starn, if you want to join one day, we have built a forum with people talking english and some talking french. You might like it, it's the Linux Village. You can visit it here : http://www.linuxvillage.net
[01:16] <melodie_> for now I was struggling with xubuntu and ubuntu-builder, wanted to make a slightly different version of xubuntu, but no success for now
[01:16] <melodie_> here is what I wanted to get :
[01:16] <melodie_> http://meets.free.fr/debian/images/xubuntu-brown.png
[01:16] <melodie_> but here is what I really got after remixing:
[01:17] <melodie_> http://meets.free.fr/debian/images/xubuntu-spin.png
[01:17] <melodie_> really not a success. :s
[01:17] <melodie_> I'll try again with another tool.
[01:17] <Starn> that looks more advanced than i am. i am more of a network and remote admin stuff kinda guy.
[01:18] <melodie_> great, I am not keen in network and remote admin
[01:19] <melodie_> Starn, if you decide to visit the linux village forum and want to join some day you are welcome
[01:19] <Starn> but i wouldn't mind my desktop looking like what you're trying to get. looks like how i wanted ubuntu 12.04 or what even the release version number is.. i didn't want unity.
[01:19] <melodie_> :)
[01:19] <Starn> melodie_ i shall actually probably sign up today
[01:19] <melodie_> you can take the configuration files and use them if you want; they are here:
[01:19] <melodie_> http://meets.free.fr/debian/Xubuntu-Brown.tar.xz
[01:20] <melodie_> Starn, you sign up whenever you wish, the forum is opened
[01:20] <Starn> thanks. also i'm in #xubuntu-offtopic . if you'd like to talk in there seeing how we're kinda going off topic in here.
[01:20] <melodie_> I'll try again with another tool within a few days. I know of at least 2 other ones
[01:20] <melodie_> ok Starn
[02:09] <Stella4449> Wondering if there's a bootable xubuntu version to use to install from a flash drive onto my HP Mini. Yes?
[02:10] <Starn> there is a way to install from flash it's rather easy
[02:11] <Stella4449> Can you tell me how?
[02:12] <Starn> http://www.ubuntu.com/download/help/create-a-usb-stick-on-windows  i know that is ubuntu's site but you do exact same thing with Xubuntu.. just use the universal usb installer. if you have Xubuntu ISO already than good if not it can download it for you.
[02:13] <Starn> well this is if you're already on windows.. atm.
[02:13] <Stella4449> Well, I'm using my Windows laptop now but the Mini has a Mac OS and I don't have admin privilege.
[02:14] <Stella4449> I'm downloading xubuntu now onto my laptop
[02:14] <Starn> use windows to download and do needed things for the flash drive than boot into usb on your mini?
[02:14] <Starn> i don't know much about mac.
[02:14] <Stella4449> Me neither.
[02:14] <Starn> http://www.ubuntu.com/download/help/create-a-usb-stick-on-mac-osx
[02:15] <Starn> that's to make the usb drive on mac.. let me find how to install
[02:15] <Starn> never mind i guess you just interset usb boot into usb and do as you would with PC?
[02:15] <Stella4449> I'll make it on the pc laptop, then boot it with the Mini. Mac will be wiped out.
[02:16] <Starn> are you sure you want to wipe out mac?
[02:16] <Stella4449> That first link you gave me will work just fine. Thanks a bunch.  Yes. I have no way to get admin permissions. Tried all kinds of hacks. Bought the Mini for $15 at a garage sale.
[02:17] <Starn> Stella4449 oh nice. well i'm glade i was helpful i hope. and which mac mini is it??
[02:17] <Stella4449> Mini 1000
[02:17] <Stella4449> Older one.
[02:18] <Stella4449> Thanks again!
[02:18] <Starn> you're welcome. and what is the specs?? 'cause i am seeing this thing run for more than my PC cost still
[02:20] <Stella4449> I know they're expensive. Hold a sec, I'll let you know
[02:23] <Stella4449> Well, I'll have to figure out how to check the specs on the notebook itself. On Amazon it says there's a whole bunch of RAM and hard drive space and it costs about $200
[02:23] <Stella4449> My daughter has one running XP and I think she paid at least that for it.
[02:23] <Starn> wow they was $599 that's sad. no wonder apple is now considered richest company they over price everything haha anyways got way offtopic..  but i must say good find. can you link me to the specs?
[02:24] <Stella4449> So, $15 for the notebook, had to order power cord $20-$25 and battery $30.  great find!
[02:24] <Stella4449> Yeah, hold on
[02:24] <Stella4449> http://www.amazon.com/HP-Notebook-Processor-Brightview-Infinity/dp/B001JTA59C
[02:25] <Starn> oh it's the hp mini. my ex had a netbook with those specs. it's actually decent for a netbook considering it ran WoW at 15fps.
[02:26] <Stella4449> That's cool.
[02:26] <Starn> very good find sir. wish you luck at getting xubuntu on there if you run into any issues be sure to come back here
[02:26] <Stella4449> I sure will. (But I'm a ma'am ;-) )
[02:26] <Starn> ohh! sorry!
[02:27] <Stella4449> S'okay. I know who I am.   You've really helped a lot.. Thanks again.
[02:27] <Starn> guess that makes sense (seeing as name is stella)
[02:27] <Stella4449> :-)
[02:28] <Stella4449> Back in the early IRC days I used to get the Marlon Brando Stellllaaaaa!!!! all the time.
[02:28] <Stella4449> I'll let you know how it comes out.
[03:16] <bob__> hello
[03:17] <bob__> it's dead in here
[03:18] <holstein> bob__: its not a social channel.. check out the topic and try the OT channel or one of the more OT ubuntu channels for chat
[03:19] <bob__> hehehe
[08:21] <xubuntu031> After burning it to a CD, I tried booting from the CD and got the message:  This kernel requires the following features not present on the CPU: pae  Unable to boot - please use a kernel appropriate for your CPU.
[08:23] <aeternum_solus> oh wow. haven't seen a CPU _without_ pae in a long time!
[08:23] <Sysi> xubuntu031: sounds like main-ubuntu, xubuntu doesn't have pae by default
[08:24] <Sysi> 12.10 will have it and there isn't really way out of it, except upgrading from 12.04
[08:25] <Sysi> 12.04 is LTS so it's good for a while too
[09:15] <shpngld> hope all of u r doin well...xub crew
[09:16] <shpngld> can some1 give me advice how to easily find any hardware problems 11.04-_11.10)
[09:17] <shpngld> ex.: my wlan is workin...but in very very low performance
[09:17] <shpngld> never had so slow Inet
[09:17] <aeternum_solus> that's likely not from xubuntu, that's probably from your environment
[09:17] <shpngld> (already restarted the router..few times)
[09:18] <aeternum_solus> how many walls between your client and the WAP?
[09:18] <shpngld> 2 and a half
[09:18] <shpngld> hes downstairs
[09:18] <aeternum_solus> what are you using? b, g or n?
[09:19] <shpngld> I dont know...Broadcom wlan  4318
[09:19] <shpngld> old one w/ tricky install
[09:19] <aeternum_solus> oh. that's probably where your problem lies
[09:19] <shpngld> pci
[09:19] <aeternum_solus> you're probably on b
[09:20] <shpngld> a day b4 all was ok..good speeds (well normal..)
[09:20] <shpngld> now im upgradin online
[09:20] <shpngld> and.....60k/s
[09:20] <aeternum_solus> might not be xubuntu that's slow.. it could be the server from which you are downloading
[09:20]  * shpngld facepalmin since 14:00 pm yesterday
[09:20] <shpngld> Update manager
[09:21] <aeternum_solus> ping 8.8.8.8 and see if you get any packet loss and what the latency is like
[09:21] <Sysi> broadcom drivers are prettybad
[09:21] <shpngld> aeternum_solus,  I will do it now
[09:21] <Sysi> I'd try 12.04 and possibly proprietary driver
[09:21] <Sysi> !broadcom
[09:22] <shpngld> aeternum_solus,  well...ping it just now
[09:23] <shpngld> time is above 200ms
[09:23] <shpngld> ..to 1500ms
[09:23] <aeternum_solus> now ping your gateway
[09:23] <aeternum_solus> and get the same info
[09:23] <shpngld> how can i do it
[09:23] <aeternum_solus> you don't know your gateway?
[09:23]  * shpngld hardcore noob buuut enthusiastic 1
[09:24] <shpngld> never needed to do it
[09:24] <aeternum_solus> do ifconfig and see what your ip address is... gateway is normally .1 on the end of the address instead of waht you have
[09:24] <shpngld> ok...tryin now
[09:25] <shpngld> OMFG..which line i have to follow?!!
[09:25] <aeternum_solus> the one that says inet addr:
[09:26] <Sysi> aeternum_solus: for me gateway has usually been .254 but I'd just check with traceroute
[09:26] <aeternum_solus> oh. forgot about traceroute ^_^
[09:27] <shpngld> 64 bytes from 192.168.1.76: icmp_req=2 ttl=64 time=0.030 ms
[09:27] <shpngld> 64 bytes from 192.168.1.76: icmp_req=3 ttl=64 time=0.025 ms
[09:27] <shpngld> 64 bytes from 192.168.1.76: icmp_req=4 ttl=64 time=0.028 ms
[09:27] <shpngld> 64 bytes from 192.168.1.76: icmp_req=5 ttl=64 time=0.030 ms
[09:27] <shpngld> 64 bytes from 192.168.1.76: icmp_req
[09:27] <shpngld> not to flood
[09:27] <aeternum_solus> see, it's not your wireless, it's your internet connection
[09:27] <knome> !pastebin | shpngld
[09:27] <aeternum_solus> wait
[09:28] <aeternum_solus> that's your IP
[09:28] <Sysi> aeternum_solus: you tell that by he pinging localhost? :P
[09:28] <shpngld> aeternum_solus,  its weird cuz its been OK for 2 months
[09:28] <shpngld> I mean stable
[09:28] <aeternum_solus> Sysi: yeah, just noticed that's not his gateway
[09:28]  * shpngld failed
[09:28] <Sysi> shpngld: run traceroute google.fi, first line should have IP of your gateway, ping it
[09:29] <Sysi> easiest would be trying wireless from windows on same machine
[09:30] <shpngld> traceroute6 www.google.fi
[09:30] <shpngld> connect: Network is unreachable
[09:30] <aeternum_solus> not traceroute
[09:30] <aeternum_solus> 6
[09:30] <aeternum_solus> just traceroute
[09:30] <shpngld> Sysi,  I have a winxp PC nexto me it OK
[09:30] <Sysi> shpngld: it's slightly different if device if different
[09:30] <shpngld> I dont have it installed
[09:31] <Sysi> 12:21  <Sysi> broadcom drivers are pretty bad <Sysi> I'd try 12.04 and possibly proprietary driver
[09:32] <shpngld> Sysi,  10x 4 the advice but my pc is quite old
[09:32] <shpngld> weak u can say
[09:32] <shpngld> Im upd to 11.10 now so i cant install ttraceroute
[09:33] <Sysi> I'd make clean installation of 12.04, updates cause problems too
[09:33] <Sysi> hoping your laptop's antenna is okay
[09:34] <Sysi> what does free -m say? for Mem, total
[09:35] <Sysi> aka, how much ram do you got?
[13:07] <rxr_> Hi,  my laptop screen is much brighter with windows booted than with xubuntu booted, (power cord connected in both cases, and i've set the "keyboard screen settings" to maximum. Are there any config files etc where I can "increase" the brightness in xubuntu?
[13:29] <saschakb> rxr_ Have you tried the acpi_backlight=vendor kernel parameter? GRUB_CMDLINE_   ... LINUX="acpi_backlight=vendor"  in file /etc/default/grub
[13:31] <saschakb> rxr_ otherwise, xrandr might be a help to you ... xrandr --screen VGA1 --brightness 100
[13:34] <holstein> rxr_: i found a line to add from the forums for one of my machines, though it doesnt need it with the latest kernels
[13:35] <holstein> rxr_: i would look for an "additional" driver for the graphics... i would try searching around in the forums... i would consider thinking of it as a powersaving mode and just tolerate it
[13:36] <holstein> OH, and i see the post from saschakb ...that looks like the kind of thing that worked for me
[13:46] <itai_michaelson> hi, i want to add <super + D> to keyboard shortcuts to show desktop , but it seems that this shortcuts already runs a search within a windows, i dont need that . but when i go to  setting >window manager>keyboard - <super> + D is not there. Where can i find it ?
[13:49] <holstein> itai_michaelson: you added the shortcut you like there, and its not doing what you asked?
[13:50] <itai_michaelson> holstein, no , even before i added <super > + D would open this search window .
[13:50] <holstein> maybe theres a xfce4-keyboard-shortcuts.xml
[13:51] <Sysi> itai_michaelson: in some app or all of them?
[13:51] <holstein> i would just poke around in ~/.config in the xfce related directories.. i would do it in a "test" user if i were worried about breaking something
[13:52] <itai_michaelson> Sysi, some apps
[13:52] <Sysi> could be their own shortcut
[13:52] <holstein> might be on a per-app basis. thats going to be trickier i would imagine
[13:53] <itai_michaelson> Sysi, well, it happens in the actual window for "keyboard" in settings>windows amanager
[13:54] <saschakb> The keyboard shortcuts are in ~/.config/xfce4/xfconf/xfce-perchannel-xml/xfce4-keyboard-shortcuts.xml - if you search for them ...
[13:54] <itai_michaelson> saschakb, thanks' , i'll have  a look
[13:54] <saschakb> itai_michaelson, you're welcome
[13:57] <itai_michaelson> strange : <property name="<Super>d" type="string" value="show_desktop_key"/>
[13:57] <itai_michaelson> it looks like it should show desktop by default
[13:59] <saschakb> itai_michaelson, if you have open programs, itshows you the naked desktop background or switches back to the view you had before
[14:00] <itai_michaelson> saschakb, except it doesnt. in xchat it does nothing, in firefox nothing, in thunar it runs a search , in settings it runs a search
[14:01] <pimperle> I get lots of Gtk-WARNING **: Theme parsing error:s when running gtk3 applications under xubuntu, and changing the gtk theme does not help (or i have yet to find a working theme). can i fix this or disable the gtk engine from displaying the errors?
[15:21] <giordano> salve a tutti/e ho da chiedervi una cosa, siccome ad un mio amico interesserebbe usare xubuntu ma per ragioni di grafica si adatta ad windows mi ha chiesto di vedere se si può fare perché lui non è stato capace mi potreste dare una mano? grazie
[15:25] <knome> !it | giordano
[15:25] <giordano> sorry,
[15:26] <David-A> no problem
[16:43] <hjbehling> hi is there a place where I can set the system-wide "open with" (mime types) in Xubuntu?
[16:43] <klymero> bonjour
[16:44] <GridCube> hjbehling, there sure is
[16:45] <hjbehling> GridCube: i think i found it, is it /usr/share/applications/defaults.list? I'm trying to lock down the "open with" on a large number of computers irrespective of user
[16:45] <klymero> il y a des francais dan la salle ?
[16:45] <knome> !fr | klymero
[16:46] <GridCube> !f...
[16:46] <knome> GridCube, :)
[16:46] <GridCube> beat me
[16:47] <GridCube> knome, im sure i saw a question regarding "0pen with" menus somewhere lately, in the mail lists i guess
[16:48] <knome> probably
[16:48] <David-A> hjbehling: lock down? you cannot lock down a general desktop environment, there are to many ways to access files and programs.
[16:48] <GridCube> yep, this was it, https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xubuntu-users/2012-August/004479.html
[16:48] <GridCube> hjbehling, ^
[16:49] <hjbehling> David-A: lock down is the wrong term,  what i mean is set defaults based on a profile that i can easily distribute
[16:49] <hjbehling> my users are unlikely to want to change anything
[16:50] <knome> hjbehling, i don't think disallowing users to do changes is possible
[16:50] <David-A> ok, that sounds like a really good idea
[16:50] <knome> well, you can probably make them not have permissions to change the files, but the menu will still appear
[16:51] <hjbehling> GridCube: Thanks! this is what I was looking for
[16:52] <hjbehling> knome: sorry, I was being very imprecise. I don't need to lock the preferences, but I do need to set some defaults
[16:52] <knome> mm-hmm:) then the link GridCube pasted is definitely the right way
[17:38] <hjbehling> how do i set the network proxy in xubuntu 12.04?
[17:49] <hjbehling> got it, nm
[18:24] <dan> Всем доброй ночи. Есть русскоговорящие?
[18:25] <Sysi> !ru
[18:46] <xubuntu544> hello.
[18:47] <xubuntu544> bye
[18:49] <knome> xubuntu544, hullo and see you.
[19:33] <dominic_> hi, does anyone know of a grooveshark client that has offline compatibility?
[20:36] <wirelessless> hello all! Im runnin xubuntu 11.10 with wireless wlan (b43)...Under recovery mode w/ console I have Inet aceess,,in normal mode I dont,,,I do connect to the local Net but there is almost no transfer..what can i do to fix it?
[20:39] <wirelessless> do any1 have an adviced?
[20:42] <v1adimir> depends what was changed for it to stop working?.. btw., why not use 12.04.1 that just came out the other day
[20:42] <FounderOf420> what do you mean by no transfer? low speeds?
[20:43] <wirelessless> FounderOf420: yes almost no transfer
[20:44] <wirelessless> vladimir: it works in recovery mode (console) but not in normal
[20:44] <wirelessless> it connects very very haRD TO THE ROUTER
[20:45] <wirelessless> right now Im upgr to 12.04 under recovery console mode w/o any problems w/nice speed
[20:45] <wirelessless> what can i do?
[20:45] <v1adimir> wirelessless: upgrading to 12.04? 12.04.1 has been released
[20:46] <wirelessless> well Im a lil behind all that
[20:46]  * wirelessless noob
[20:46] <wirelessless> my pc is not very good
[20:46] <wirelessless> old 1
[20:46] <v1adimir> maybe you could check if your ruter is on automatic DHCP?
[20:46] <v1adimir> *router
[20:47] <FounderOf420> connects very hard to router? you mean it takes a long time?
[20:47] <wirelessless> I think it is...at least on this PC (winV) its DHCP auto
[20:47] <wirelessless> yes..under normal mode
[20:47] <wirelessless> xfce session
[20:48] <wirelessless> now in console mode is just awesome but w/o GUI
[20:48] <v1adimir> is the router connected via USB or regularly?
[20:49] <wirelessless> regularly i guess...i dont have acess to it sadly
[20:49] <v1adimir> :/ but ok probably means that it's the OS
[20:49] <wirelessless> I think so....I dont know what to do
[20:50] <wirelessless> ifconfig list the device
[20:50] <wirelessless> wlan0...
[20:50] <wirelessless> it just dont workin normal mode
[20:50] <v1adimir> yea wireless can be a b!tch sometimes :f
[20:51] <wirelessless> in 11.04 it worked fine
[20:51] <wirelessless> and now too...but in rec console
[20:51] <wirelessless> in failsafe GUI it doesnt work..in browser
[20:51] <wirelessless> DNS fail
[20:52] <wirelessless> any advice?
[20:56] <v1adimir> sudo lspci -nn | grep Ethernet or sudo lspci -nn | grep Network lists your wireless?
[20:58] <wirelessless> v1adimir:  yes its wireless
[21:00] <wirelessless> I cant open new terminal cuz of the updates runnin now
[21:03] <v1adimir> I meant just to see if it's the correct drivers maybe
[21:03] <v1adimir> if it's IDd correctly
[21:04] <wirelessless> I cantr open new terminal...sasdly gotta wait...
[21:04] <v1adimir> wirelessless: from the panel, Connection Information, does it show all the IPs?
[21:04] <wirelessless> yes
[21:04] <v1adimir> ip address and default route is correct for your router?
[21:05] <wirelessless> I think so
[21:05] <v1adimir> heh ok
[21:05] <wirelessless> Im upgr now w nice progress b ut in rec mode
[21:06] <wirelessless> the wlan is installed and works fine (as before) but only in rec mode
[21:14] <FounderOf420> did it just randomly break or has it always been that way
[21:14] <wirelessless> FounderOf420: randomly i can say
[21:14] <wirelessless> it worked just fine b4
[21:16] <wirelessless> I have to w8 15min more to finish the updae so I can do the commands from Vlad
[21:16] <FounderOf420> i feel like i've had this same issue in the past but a different distro
[21:17] <FounderOf420> solution was to delete the folder /home/<user>/.gconf/apps/nm-applet
[21:17] <FounderOf420> thus removing its config file. then my connection started working again
[21:17] <v1adimir> oh before that, when you can run the console, try sudo lshw -C Network to see if the driver is your b43 wireless one
[21:17] <v1adimir> *that's claiming the connection
[21:18] <wirelessless> thanks guys , I want to do it immediately..but there r updaes runnin now
[21:18] <wirelessless> I will do it but have to w8
[21:19] <wirelessless> Im sure the drv is the correct one b43
[21:19] <wirelessless> bcm4318
[21:19] <wirelessless> thats the model
[21:19] <v1adimir> cool just check if it says driver=your b43 one or maybe there's a conflict there
[21:20] <wirelessless> I made a mistake startin the updates now
[21:20] <v1adimir> update might fix it xD
[21:20] <FounderOf420> indeed
[21:20] <wirelessless> I am not sure..but im doin it cuz everybody says Upgarde to 12.04
[21:21] <wirelessless> cmoooooooooooooooooooon Upgarde........
[21:22] <v1adimir> :)
[21:22] <wirelessless> I have wondered which is the device drv so i can delete aqnd reinstall...
[21:23] <wirelessless> deleted few dirs in firmware
[21:23] <wirelessless> ..no sucess
[21:25] <wirelessless> I havent patched the b43 fw cutter may b this is problem
[21:25] <wirelessless> used it to install thye firmware
[21:25] <v1adimir> before you lose patience with 12.04, check in session and startup, application autostart for the Blueman Applet (on and off)
[21:25] <wirelessless> what i have to do w it?
[21:26] <wirelessless> the applet
[21:26] <v1adimir> not sure if it does, just sayin' :$
[21:26] <wirelessless> gee im stuck w the upgrade cant do anything
[21:27] <wirelessless> 100k/s
[21:27] <wirelessless> pff
[21:27] <wirelessless> so when upgrade finishes i will start in xfce session  and check startup first Vladimir?
[21:28] <v1adimir> why not xubuntu session?..
[21:28] <v1adimir> xfce is there, but it's not default
[21:28] <wirelessless> ok xubuntu then
[21:29] <v1adimir> yea if it gives you trouble, gave me grief by crashing all the time on this box
[21:29] <wirelessless> 20min more to w8
[21:29] <wirelessless> im dumb..why did i startit...
[21:30] <v1adimir> heh :f
[21:30] <wirelessless> cmoooooooooooon
[21:30] <v1adimir> I think I can upgrade in 20, bb
[21:31] <wirelessless> awesome its almost anhour here
[21:33] <wirelessless> im gettin mad here...gotta get some brew....
[21:42] <wirelessless> at least  got some beers...phew12 min left
[21:43] <wirelessless> I m havin hard time w xubuntu but will never everr get back to windows
[21:44] <wirelessless> its so much better as performsance and im not a gamer (well rarely ...some ol;d school stuff)
[21:45] <wirelessless> Im tryin to find some version or lookalike of UFO/XCOM/Civilization game
[21:45] <wirelessless> but with no web access on the pc is pain in the a££
[21:45] <knome> wirelessless, please watch the language as this is a family-friendly channel. thanks! :)
[21:46] <wirelessless> knome:  Im sorry bout it
[21:46] <knome> no problem
[21:46] <wirelessless> forgot that here r younger ppl
[21:47] <wirelessless> knome:  do u have a recccomendation for a software do diagnose my system to find problems/prevent them?
[21:47] <knome> depends on what kind of problems you are referring to
[21:47] <wirelessless> there r a loto of weird msgs when shuttin down the pc
[21:48] <knome> if your pc works well, you can ignore them
[21:48] <wirelessless> well it worked until yesterday just fine.....
[21:49] <wirelessless> do i need an antivirus/firewall?
[21:57] <knome> wirelessless, if you don't have a hardware firewall, i suggest you to install firestarter
[21:58] <knome> wirelessless, to be sure about viruses (which are next to extinct on linux), you can use clamav
[21:58] <wirelessless> knome: I dunno about Hardwarre firewall 1st time hear bout it, but ill check 4 firestarter
[21:58] <knome> wirelessless, or gufw for firewall
[21:59] <wirelessless> 3min to go..
[21:59] <wirelessless> deff wil check..but i need the net access first
[21:59] <knome> just use common sense whenever something asks your password
[21:59] <knome> "do i really need to insert this"
[21:59] <wirelessless> yes i do try
[22:00] <wirelessless> I am not messing too much w software
[22:01] <wirelessless> deff will check the firewall u told me
[22:02] <wirelessless> ..ok so the upgrade is almost finished..i will reset and eneter xubuntu session
[22:06] <wirelessless> knome: what is PAM library?
[22:07] <wirelessless> Services to restart for PAM libray upgarde?
[22:07] <wirelessless> :cron atd:
[22:07] <knome> just answer yes
[22:08] <wirelessless> ok....
[22:08] <wirelessless> ..wow so much stuff goin on
[22:14] <wirelessless> .....woah..neverendin lines of unppackin and stufff
[22:14] <wirelessless> "core temperature above threshold" ?!?!?
[22:15] <knome> wirelessless, sounds like the pc is running hot. have you cleaned it? :)
[22:15] <wirelessless> well...A little
[22:15] <wirelessless> I have to turn on the other ventailation
[22:16] <wirelessless> its open from 1 side
[22:17] <knome> hmm, it's not "ventilation"
[22:17] <knome> i'd imagine it might even run cooler if you put the both "walls" in place
[22:17] <knome> that way the air should go around better
[22:18] <wirelessless> knome:   u r right bout this
[22:18] <knome> though if it doesn't, maybe consider buying another fan to push the air out
[22:18] <wirelessless> the display on the MB says 2.0
[22:18] <wirelessless> ..or its 20
[22:18] <knome> 2.0 or 20 what?
[22:19] <knome> doesn't sound like temperatures "above thresold"
[22:19] <wirelessless> there is a small display on the MB that have some digits
[22:19] <wirelessless> I turned on some other Propeller
[22:19] <wirelessless> lol
[22:20] <wirelessless> its sounds like its gonna lift off
[22:20] <wirelessless> this PC is quite diff 4 me... aditional fans and stuff
[22:21] <knome> hmm, right. maybe refer to it's manual :)
[22:21] <knome> *its
[22:21] <wirelessless> knome:  i have to find it first
[22:21] <wirelessless> its a present from a friend
[22:22] <knome> or just look for the motherboard model, and find it from the internet
[22:22] <knome> most manuals are online
[22:23] <wirelessless> his old pc
[22:23] <wirelessless> with diff colred LEDS inside
[22:29] <wirelessless> yes I will..b4 closin the case
[22:29] <wirelessless> i just want to run thew web acces and then..
[22:29] <wirelessless> quite long is this upgarde takin..
[22:29] <knome> are you upgrading from 10.04 or 11.10 ?
[22:31] <wirelessless> 11.10
[22:32] <wirelessless> still waiting....
[22:35] <wirelessless> I ve been mistaken,,,it is upgarded from 11.04 to 11.10
[22:35] <wirelessless> fail on me
[22:38] <knome> okay
[22:38] <knome> i suggest you to upgrade to 12.04 too, if you have time
[22:39] <knome> if you don't have any data you want to save and can burn a CD or use a usb disk, you could also install 12.04 directly with no upgrades
[22:39] <knome> though you've been waiting for quiet a long, so maybe better to upgrade if that works
[22:47] <wirelessless> I will upgarde now
[22:47] <knome> :)
[22:47] <wirelessless> tryin to enter recovery mode.......
[22:48] <wirelessless> something is wrong again
[22:48] <knome> sounds like tricky hardware
[22:49] <wirelessless> yes
[22:49] <wirelessless> omg
[22:49] <knome> if you can, maybe burning a 12.04 CD and trying the live CD would be good, if you constantly have problems with the upgraded system
[22:50] <wirelessless> I have usb drive only..no empty cd
[22:50] <wirelessless> can i do it this way?
[22:56] <knome> wirelessless, yes, you're able to use a usb drive too
[22:58] <wirelessless> knome: Im downloadin from http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/xubuntu/releases/12.04/release/
[22:59] <knome> wirelessless, yup, that works
[23:00] <wirelessless> desktop i 386 iso
[23:00] <wirelessless> knome: I just copy the iso to the usb?
[23:00] <knome> that's a safe choice, unless you have >4GB mem
[23:01] <wirelessless> i dont have
[23:01] <knome> wirelessless, no, you will need to "burn" it
[23:01] <knome> let me find you a tutorial
[23:01] <wirelessless> I couldnt manage to eneter recovery mode...got in root shell directly
[23:02] <knome> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromUSBStick
[23:02] <knome> that page should cover all possible cases to create a bootable usb stick
[23:03] <wirelessless> knome:  awesome thanks
[23:03] <knome> np
[23:10] <wirelessless> knome: Im doin the usb now with lil
[23:11] <wirelessless> the tricky part will be with the bios options to start up from USb
[23:11] <knome> that's relatively easy; just be confident in what you are doing, and do what you need to :)
[23:12] <wirelessless> u r right but the bios is quite diff than the others i used b4
[23:12] <knome> you will get used to it really quickly
[23:13] <wirelessless> I really need to
[23:13] <wirelessless> 92%
[23:15] <wirelessless> extractin virtual box
[23:15] <wirelessless> this is gonna be a challenge
[23:21] <wirelessless> ok
[23:21] <wirelessless> knome:
[23:22] <wirelessless> I booted from usb
[23:22] <wirelessless> diff landscape now
[23:23] <knome> yup, i assume you seleted "try xubuntu" ?
[23:23] <wirelessless> no
[23:23] <wirelessless> it just started
[23:23] <wirelessless> there was a human siluetted and keyboard
[23:23] <wirelessless> bottom of screen
[23:24] <wirelessless> aaa
[23:24] <wirelessless> i see that
[23:24] <wirelessless> Try or install?
[23:24] <wirelessless> now i got to thye screen
[23:25] <wirelessless> mayb i should try or directlyinstall?
[23:27] <GridCube> try it first
[23:27] <wirelessless> I am in
[23:27] <wirelessless> no web access
[23:28] <wirelessless> monitor is reckognised
[23:28] <knome> at least some progress then?
[23:28] <wirelessless> yes
[23:28] <wirelessless> additional drivers is empty
[23:29] <knome> do you know which wifi card it is?
[23:30] <wirelessless> yes broadcom 4318
[23:30] <wirelessless> b43
[23:30] <wirelessless> i havet o install it manually
[23:31] <knome> http://askubuntu.com/questions/150929/no-firmware-found-for-broadcom-wireless-card-bcm4318-on-dell-latitude-d610
[23:35] <wirelessless> which is that function key
[23:36] <knome> i suppose the poster refers to a function key to enable/disable wireless on laptops
[23:36] <knome> if you are on a desktop, don't worry about that
[23:36] <wirelessless> well in my case I have to d/l fwcutter A?
[23:37] <wirelessless> AND FIRMWARE?
[23:37] <wirelessless> oops
[23:37] <wirelessless> sorry 4 CAPS
[23:39] <knome> "sudo apt-get install b43-fwcutter firmware-b43-installer"
[23:39] <knome> you still need to install both
[23:40] <wirelessless> I dont have web access
[23:40] <wirelessless> I have to d/l manually right
[23:44] <knome> yes, you'll need to get those manually
[23:44] <knome> but those are the packages you will need (and their dependencies, if any)
[23:45] <wirelessless> sadly I dont have other USB to transfer them
[23:45] <wirelessless> can i just install 1204 and then use the usb
[23:45] <knome> yes, definitely
[23:48] <wirelessless> knomw i will chose to delete 11 10 and reinstall?
[23:48] <wirelessless> Upgarde is not available
[23:49] <wirelessless> need some help with partitioning
[23:51] <knome> wirelessless, yes, just delete 11.10 if you don't have any data to save. also, if you don't have any data, you can simply use the whole disk, as is the default
[23:52] <wirelessless> ok- the wholoe disk
[23:53] <wirelessless> ok...installin now
[23:53] <knome> good luck
[23:54] <wirelessless> knome:  thanks a lot for ur help......
[23:54] <knome> no problem
[23:54] <knome> hope you get it working
[23:54] <unheeding> i get it
[23:54] <unheeding> knome, like KDE + gnome
[23:54] <wirelessless> knome:  hopefully
[23:54] <knome> unheeding, nope, it's no reference to any computer-related thing.
[23:55] <unheeding> oh come on
[23:55] <wirelessless> its like a gnome on K ;-)
[23:55] <knome> i used gnome a few years and kde a few days, but no, it's neither of those, and i had this nick years before diving into linux