[13:56] <bdrung> !dmb-ping
[13:56] <bdrung> meeting in four minutes
[14:01] <Laney> ok
[14:01] <Laney> cody-somerville: here?
[14:01] <Laney> #startmeeting
[14:01] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Aug 27 14:01:21 2012 UTC.  The chair is Laney. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[14:01] <Laney> who's here?
[14:01] <micahg> o/
[14:01] <tumbleweed> o/
[14:01]  * bdrung is here, but ill.
[14:01] <barry> o/
[14:02] <Laney> is the agenda current?
[14:02]  * Laney is looking at http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-08-13-19.09.html and seeing things not on there
[14:03] <micahg> Laney: it is now :)
[14:03] <Laney> heh
[14:03] <Laney> #topic Review of action items
[14:03] <Laney> #subtopic micahg to document the zentyal packageset
[14:03] <Laney> pending?
[14:03] <micahg> yeah
[14:03] <Laney> #subtopic micahg to ping beuno regarding CC discussion on whether upload rights should confer membership
[14:03] <Laney> done - yokozar started it
[14:04] <Laney> we got some +1s - should be able to finish with this before the next meeting?
[14:04] <tumbleweed> sounds likely
[14:04] <Laney> ok
[14:04] <micahg> yeah, if everyone could please respond (DMB members, myself included)
[14:04] <Laney> will someone get the CC to decide?
[14:04] <Laney> I'll +1
[14:05] <micahg> well, the idea was we (DMB) decide and the CC only acts if we're deadlocked
[14:05] <Laney> oh, so we can just go ahead
[14:05] <micahg> AIUI at least :)
[14:05] <barry> doesn't sound like we're deadlocked
[14:05] <Laney> sounds good
[14:05] <Laney> #subtopic stgraber to clean up coredev/motu duplicate package set rights
[14:06] <micahg> I think this was done as well
[14:06] <Laney> I also believe that to be the case
[14:06] <Laney> #subtopic stgraber to clean up coredev/motu duplicate package set rights
[14:06] <Laney> that's scott remnant fyi
[14:06] <Laney> oops
[14:06] <Laney> #subtopic remove scott from ubuntu-core-dev until he signs the CoC
[14:06] <Laney> & also done
[14:07] <Laney> #subtopic Laney (tumbleweed) to contact the uploaders of unused packagesets
[14:07] <Laney> I just pinged Luke about sugar
[14:07] <Laney> http://people.canonical.com/~stgraber/package_sets/quantal/ which other ones are a concern?
[14:07] <tumbleweed> is unr used?
[14:07] <ScottK> Which Scott?
[14:07] <Laney> I propose to contact the TB as owners to get rid of unr/netbook(/mobile?)
[14:08] <tumbleweed> ScottK: not you :)
[14:08] <Laney> 27/08 15:06:34 <Laney> that's scott remnant fyi
[14:08] <ScottK> OK.
[14:08] <micahg> ScottK: keybuk
[14:08] <ScottK> tumbleweed provided the critical part of the answer to my question.
[14:08] <Laney> cyphermox just said in #-desktop that networkmanager is unused
[14:09] <micahg> Laney: schooltool and mobile
[14:09] <Laney> #action laney to delete network-manager packageset
[14:09] <meetingology> ACTION: laney to delete network-manager packageset
[14:09] <Laney> #action laney to contact menesis about schooltool packageset
[14:09] <meetingology> ACTION: laney to contact menesis about schooltool packageset
[14:09] <Laney> #action laney to contact TB to see if netbook/unr/mobile packagesets are still needed
[14:09] <meetingology> ACTION: laney to contact TB to see if netbook/unr/mobile packagesets are still needed
[14:09] <Laney> ok?
[14:09] <micahg> sounds good
[14:10] <Laney> #topic Per-Package Uploader application: Keng-Yu Lin
[14:10] <Laney> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Keng-YuLin/PPU
[14:10] <Laney> kengyu: Hey, that's you ;-)
[14:11] <kengyu> hello all. /wave
[14:11] <Laney> kengyu: Can you introduce yourself and your application please?
[14:11] <kengyu> I am a Canonical employee; I work in the Hardware Enablement team, we are responsible for the Ubuntu preloads for OEMs.
[14:12] <kengyu> I am from Taipei, Taiwan, and am also a Ubuntu user for long time. :-)
[14:12] <kengyu> I am applying the PPU for fwts...
[14:13] <Laney> Can you quickly explain for the laymen here what fwts is about?
[14:13] <kengyu> because it is part of HWE team's project, and we offer the software for a various uses (certification, OEM, UEFI plugfest, etc).
[14:14] <kengyu> it's suite of tests focusing on BIOS (or firmware in others words) and UEFI hardware (we are still working on this).
[14:15] <bdrung> kengyu: what does fwts stand for?
[14:15] <kengyu> "FirmWare Test Suite"
[14:16] <kengyu> the current tests fwts has in documented in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Kernel/Reference/fwts
[14:18] <micahg> kengyu: I noticed in https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fwts/0.24.21 you switched from dh-autoreconf to autoreconf, could you please explain why that was done?
[14:19] <kengyu> it's just because that Lucid does not have dh-autoreconf and Lucid was the LTS at that time, so I decided to keep the latest code working on Lucid.
[14:22] <micahg> kengyu: were you aware that dh-autoreconf did more than just the configure step?
[14:24] <micahg> kengyu: also, since I assume you weren't uploading to the archive, dh-autoreconf was available in lucid-backports
[14:27] <kengyu> micahg, I think dh-autoreconf does not cleaning work. But my original intention was not to "revert" the use of dh-autoreconf and use hand-made 'autoreconf' commands in debian/rules...
[14:29] <kengyu> I added the dh-autoreconf support in a previous patch. But had another one to use autoreconf because of Lucid support.
[14:29] <micahg> kengyu: right, which would be fine, but there are two parts and I only saw the configure part in that changelog
[14:29] <micahg> s/changelog/diff/
[14:30] <kengyu> micahg, it's good to know that it is in Lucid-backports. at the time I just noticed the build failure in the PPA.
[14:31] <micahg> kengyu: right, the more important part though is only implementing a partial manual rule in its place
[14:33] <kengyu> micahg, Yes, thanks for this. This will be something I will work on. :-)
[14:33] <Laney> thanks
[14:33] <Laney> does anybody have any other questions?
[14:33] <tumbleweed> sure
[14:33] <tumbleweed> kengyu: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=hwe/fwts.git;a=commitdiff;h=ca9a4ac791265e0e4e945c2472aee6650b078d7d
[14:34] <tumbleweed> does that mean it's ging to get upstream releases soon?
[14:34] <tumbleweed> *going
[14:36] <kengyu> tumbleweed, it's the plan. at least releasing as a tarball eases the pain for packaging for other distros (we've seen bug reported from gentoo too).
[14:36] <tumbleweed> yeah
[14:36] <tumbleweed> can we expect to see it in Debian, too, then?
[14:37] <kengyu> I have that as my plan. But it takes some more time before issuing the ITP. the ACPICA code (is in fwts) from Intel has some legal/copyright issue.
[14:37] <kengyu> there will be some more discussion I expect.
[14:38]  * tumbleweed looks forward to that at some point
[14:39] <Laney> kengyu: Quick question about the Ubuntu release cycle
[14:39] <Laney> kengyu: Do you know what Feature Freeze is and how it would impact any uploads of fwts you might perform?
[14:40] <kengyu> Laney, yes, after that freeze any upload will require the FFE.
[14:41] <Laney> kengyu: Where can you find out whethere we are in feature (or any other) freeze?
[14:41] <Laney> also, it's not quite 'any' upload — only ones which contain new features (i.e. aren't purely bug fix)
[14:42] <kengyu> from wiki.ubuntu.com there is a schedule table.
[14:42] <kengyu> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QuantalQuetzal/ReleaseSchedule
[14:43] <Laney> kengyu: thanks, that's it from me
[14:43] <Laney> bdrung: go
[14:44] <bdrung> kengyu: fwts will fail to build twice in the row once you switch to the "3.0 (quilt)" source format
[14:45] <kengyu> bdrung, really! I did not notice that.
[14:46] <bdrung> kengyu: the source package content changes after one build: http://paste.debian.net/185847/
[14:46] <Laney> that's what micahg was getting at with the autoreconf questions
[14:46] <bdrung> kengyu: there might be no difference if you use the same autotools version
[14:47] <kengyu> brendand, ok, I will look at this. there should be more cleaning.
[14:47] <Laney> it's what dh_autoreconf_clean would do for you if you used that
[14:48] <bdrung> kengyu: do you check the lintian report including experimental before the upload? lintian found some typos in the source.
[14:50] <kengyu> bdrung, no, I did check the lintian error/warning. But I just check the ones from pbuilder-dist...
[14:50] <bdrung> kengyu: lintian has experimental and pedentic tags that are useful to check, too
[14:51] <Laney> running out of time, let's move on
[14:51] <Laney> barry: got anything to ask?
[14:51] <kengyu> bdrung, this is nice to know. I will check it next time. :-)
[14:51] <barry> Laney: no, my questions have already been asked by others
[14:51] <Laney> thanks
[14:51] <Laney> anyone else?
[14:52] <bdrung> nothing important
[14:52] <Laney> education can continue elsewhere afterwards
[14:52] <Laney> #vote Grant Keng-Yu Lin PPU to fwts
[14:52] <meetingology> Please vote on: Grant Keng-Yu Lin PPU to fwts
[14:52] <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (private votes don't work yet, but when they do it will be by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to me)
[14:53] <Laney> #voters bdrung Laney barry micahg tumbleweed stgraber cody-somerville
[14:53] <meetingology> Current voters: Laney barry bdrung cody-somerville micahg stgraber tumbleweed
[14:53] <tumbleweed> +1
[14:53] <meetingology> +1 received from tumbleweed
[14:53] <barry> +1
[14:53] <meetingology> +1 received from barry
[14:53] <bdrung> +1
[14:53] <meetingology> +1 received from bdrung
[14:53] <Laney> +1 good endorsements, good review process upstream
[14:53] <meetingology> +1 good endorsements, good review process upstream received from Laney
[14:54]  * Laney peers at micahg 
[14:54] <micahg> +1, would love to see this in Debian soon
[14:54] <meetingology> +1, would love to see this in Debian soon received from micahg
[14:55] <Laney> #endvote
[14:55] <meetingology> Voting ended on: Grant Keng-Yu Lin PPU to fwts
[14:55] <meetingology> Votes for:5 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0
[14:55] <meetingology> Motion carried
[14:55] <Laney> congratulations!
[14:55] <kengyu> thanks. :-)
[14:55] <Laney> #action stgraber to add ppu for lexical to fwts
[14:55] <meetingology> ACTION: stgraber to add ppu for lexical to fwts
[14:55] <Laney> #topic AOB
[14:56] <Laney> silence is good
[14:56] <Laney> #topic next chair
[14:57] <Laney> who is it?
[14:57] <Laney> I lost track
[14:57] <barry> cody-somerville :)
[14:57] <Laney> or?
[14:57] <tumbleweed> probably me, in practice
[14:57] <Laney> ok
[14:57] <barry> i think so
[14:58] <Laney> #action next chair cody-somerville (tumbleweed)
[14:58] <meetingology> ACTION: next chair cody-somerville (tumbleweed)
[14:58] <Laney> cheers
[14:58] <Laney> #endmeeting
[14:58] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Aug 27 14:58:03 2012 UTC.
[14:58] <meetingology> Minutes (wiki):        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-08-27-14.01.moin.txt
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[14:58] <barry> thanks Laney !
[14:58]  * Laney urghs about the post-meeting tasks
[14:58]  * micahg urghs with Laney
[14:58] <Laney> hm
[14:58] <stgraber> stgraber@castiana:~/data/code/ubuntu-archive-tools$ ./edit-acl add -s fwts -p lexical
[14:59] <stgraber> Added:
[14:59] <Laney> AlanBell: http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2012/ubuntu-meeting.2012-08-27-14.01.html is the bot case sensitive wrt nicknames?
[14:59] <stgraber> Archive Upload Rights for lexical: archive 'primary', source package 'fwts'
[14:59] <stgraber> Laney: ^
[14:59] <Laney> stgraber: ta!
[14:59] <Laney> he magically appears after the meeting is done :P
[15:00] <stgraber> :)
[15:01]  * micahg goes poof again
[15:01] <micahg> oops...E_TOOMANYCHANNELS
[16:27] <AlanBell> Laney: erm, possibly, did someone change case during a meeting or something?
[16:27] <Laney> no
[16:27] <Laney> I did my own actions with #action laney ...
[16:27] <Laney> not #action Laney
[16:27] <Laney> and they got grouped as unassigned items
[16:27] <AlanBell> ah, that probably is case sensitive
[18:02] <jdstrand> hi!
[18:02] <tyhicks`> hello
[18:03] <jdstrand> #startmeeting
[18:03] <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Aug 27 18:03:36 2012 UTC.  The chair is jdstrand. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
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[18:03] <jdstrand> The meeting agenda can be found at:
[18:03] <jdstrand> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/Meeting
[18:03] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Weekly stand-up report
[18:03] <jdstrand> I'll go first
[18:04] <jdstrand> I'm in the happy place this week
[18:04] <jdstrand> I've got more MIR auditing and pending updates
[18:05] <jdstrand> I should also be finished with the second iteration of aa-sandbox and send that to the list
[18:05] <jdstrand> mdeslaur is not here today
[18:05] <jdstrand> sbeattie: you're up
[18:05] <sbeattie> I'm on community this week.
[18:05] <sbeattie> I also have a couple of updates to finish testing and push out.
[18:06] <sbeattie> I also need to get the apparmor-dbus ppa going and review aa-sandbox.
[18:06] <sbeattie> that's it for me.
[18:06] <sbeattie> did micahg make it back in time?
[18:06] <jdstrand> sbeattie: I recommend holding off on that review til I submit again
[18:06] <sbeattie> yeah
[18:08] <jdstrand> I think he is not. he can jump in later if he comes back
[18:08] <tyhicks> I'll go
[18:08] <tyhicks> I'm handling triage this week
[18:08] <tyhicks> I just returned from a long vacation and I'm still catching up
[18:08] <tyhicks> Another couple hours and I should be back on top of everything
[18:09] <tyhicks> While I was out, I finished xmlrpc-c patches for CVE-2012-0876 and CVE-2012-1148
[18:09] <tyhicks> I'll need to test those patches and try to get the updates out
[18:10] <tyhicks> I say 'try' because I'll be at the Linux Security Summit Thursday and Friday of this week
[18:10] <tyhicks> before I leave, i'm going to help jdstrand with a security audit
[18:10] <tyhicks> I think that's it for me
[18:11] <jjohansen> I guess I am up
[18:11] <tyhicks> jjohansen: yep, you're up
[18:12] <jjohansen> I need to finish up this the 2.8 port of the aa-dbus patches, and finish debugging the current set of kernel patches (rcu, fs update, ..), then I will be heading to Linux Security Summit for Thursday and Friday this week
[18:13] <jjohansen> that is it for me jdstrand back to you
[18:13] <jdstrand> thanks
[18:14] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Highlighted packages
[18:14] <jdstrand> The Ubuntu Security team will highlight some community-supported packages that might be good candidates for updating and or triaging. If you would like to help Ubuntu and not sure where to start, this is a great way to do so.
[18:14] <jdstrand> See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/UpdateProcedures for details and if you have any questions, feel free to ask in #ubuntu-security. To find out other ways of helping out, please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SecurityTeam/GettingInvolved.
[18:14] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/smokeping.html
[18:14] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/chasen.html
[18:14] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/msmtp.html
[18:14] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/mhonarc.html
[18:14] <jdstrand> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/cve/pkg/ruby-actionpack-2.3.html
[18:14] <jdstrand> [TOPIC] Miscellaneous and Questions
[18:14] <jdstrand> There are a lot of merge opportunities for packages listed in http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-security/d2u/. Performing these updates is a great way to help Ubuntu and bolster your developer application.
[18:14] <jdstrand> Does anyone have any other questions or items to discuss?
[18:20] <jdstrand> sbeattie, jjohansen, tyhicks: thanks!
[18:20] <jdstrand> #endmeeting
[18:20] <meetingology> Meeting ended Mon Aug 27 18:20:03 2012 UTC.
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[18:20] <sbeattie> jdstrand: thanks!
[18:20] <jjohansen> Thanks jdstrand
[18:20] <tyhicks> thanks!