[07:49] <hoover> morning all
[08:10] <czajkowski> aloha
[08:17] <christel> morning :)
[08:38] <AlanBell> morning all
[08:38] <czajkowski> AlanBell: how does one update the factoid
[08:39] <czajkowski> it's pulling a wrong url in
[08:39] <christel> morning bell
[08:39] <czajkowski> christel: ello
[08:40]  * soreau says hi
[08:40] <christel> HELLO GORGEOUS LOVELY AMAZINGLY AWESOME czajkowski
[08:40] <christel> hi soreau :)
[08:40] <czajkowski> hehehe
[08:40] <AlanBell> czajkowski: which factoid?
[08:40] <czajkowski> christel: you back in the UK yet ?
[08:40] <christel> czajkowski: nej! touch down at gatwick just before midday tomorrow :)
[08:41] <christel> looking forward to getting home tbh!
[08:41] <czajkowski> AlanBell: https://lp-oops.canonical.com  is wrong it should be https://oops.canonical.com/ when you give it an OOPS - LONG NUMBER
[08:41] <soreau> christel: How do you stay so overly excited and happy all the time? I want some of these drugs (unless it's because you're gay, then I don't want any)
[08:41] <AlanBell> oh, that isn't a factoid exactly czajkowski
[08:41] <czajkowski> :/
[08:41] <czajkowski> AlanBell: ah ok
[08:41] <czajkowski> soreau: eh
[08:42] <AlanBell> czajkowski: I will try to find out about that one
[08:42] <czajkowski> AlanBell: thanks we use it a lot in the LP channel
[08:42] <AlanBell> yeah, it is a different plugin
[08:42] <AlanBell> but I have to go out now, being shouted at.
[08:42] <christel> soreau: i dunno, i surround myself with wonderful friends, good food and much fun! i'm not particularly gay i think, unless i am simply not aware of it yet :o
[08:43] <soreau> christel: sounds expensive
[08:44] <christel> not at all, they don't tend to charge ;)
[08:44] <soreau> You don't pay for food and fun?
[08:45] <christel> well yes, but you sort of have to buy food to survive etc... fun doesn't have to be expensive though!
[08:46] <soreau> I guess wonderful people would help but I haven't run across many in my lifetime
[08:48] <czajkowski> soreau: get out more and meet them :0
[08:48] <czajkowski> :)
[08:48] <soreau> czajkowski: From my experience, there aren't really any good people out there
[08:49] <czajkowski> you're clearly not had much experience then, unfortunate.
[08:49] <soreau> The people I meet IRL are all.. horrible. On IRC, people seem much more decent
[08:49] <soreau> For instance, I've never met anyone IRL that uses IRC regularly
[08:50] <soreau> maybe I can go to a ubuntu release party or something :P
[08:51] <popey> heh, pretty much every single person at an ubuntu release party uses irc daily
[08:51] <popey> morning
[08:53] <czajkowski> popey: good day to you sir!
[08:53] <popey> Y U NO Holiday!?
[08:54] <czajkowski> I swap to Thursday
[08:54] <czajkowski> very handy thing to do
[08:54] <popey> ah
[08:56] <czajkowski> Fly to ireland on Thursday for a wedding and a few last min jobs to do then so made sense to swap
[08:57] <czajkowski> plus it;'s lovely and quiet to work today at least till 2 till stateside wakes up
[08:57] <czajkowski> :)
[09:01] <christel> hehe
[09:07] <bigcalm> Morning :)
[09:10]  * popey breaks lp for czajkowski 
[09:11] <hoover> Morning biggie
[09:11] <bigcalm> Hi hoover
[09:12] <czajkowski> popey: shhh it's a bit ill in parts already
[09:13] <weer> hi, i am facing a serious problem: i tried to recover my password of my (only one) account (as instructed here: http://naveenubuntu.blogspot.gr/2012/05/recover-login-password-of-ubuntu-1204.html ). it was successful but whenever i try to log in the screen blanks for a sec and redirects me back to login screen. some help please
[09:33] <directhex> they're selling naga chilis at tesco now
[09:33] <directhex> http://www.tesco.com/groceries/Product/Details/?id=274324290
[09:33] <czajkowski> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nefPAXvMSKk&feature=youtu.be  :)
[09:35] <directhex> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-14191290
[09:46] <daubers> o/
[09:56] <arsen> oooh dangerous.
[10:02] <mattt> only one thing worse than putting a hot chili in your mouth ...................
[10:31] <arsen> rubbing it in your eyes :<
[10:45] <brobostigon> good morning everyone.
[11:01] <czajkowski> hmmm
[11:01] <czajkowski> flash seems to be gone on my latest updates
[11:01] <czajkowski> most anonying
[12:06] <AlanBell> http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p00xwctd Pond Life \o/
[12:12] <brobostigon> lol, it is on the national news, the lion sighting in clacton.
[12:14] <AlanBell> has anyone got a missing lion?
[12:15] <brobostigon> they specified as far as they know, none is missing.
[12:16] <AlanBell> but why stop a good story because of the facts
[12:16] <brobostigon> very true.
[12:33] <penguin42> AlanBell: And you have to ask the question, is it more likely that it's a hoax, or someone in Essex was drunk/mad enough to find a Lion and lose it?
[12:33] <arsen> it's probably a footballers rare breed of large cat
[12:34] <DJones> I blame Gary for the lion, isn't it his area of the world to live in
[12:34] <shauno> it's probably just someone wearing uggs and far too much animal-print.  I mean, it is essex ..
[12:35]  * jacobw thinks it's a stray dog
[12:35] <jacobw> where would a lion come from?
[12:38] <jacobw> bloody essex
[12:40] <DJones> Apparaently it drove off in a white ford escort wearing white high heel shoes
[12:40] <zleap> lol
[12:41] <zleap> the police are taking reports seriouisly
[12:41] <zleap> shame if you call up about an intruder they are too busy to come out, maybe that is a new tactic don't report a burgular say you have a lion prowling round
[12:41] <zleap> lol
[12:42] <jacobw> that's .. a good idea
[12:42] <zleap> lol
[12:43] <KrimZon> I wonder who owns the field it was sighted in
[13:17] <alexcockell> Hi all..
[13:22] <penguin42> Hey
[13:24] <alexcockell> Just added to the list of media services we lost on the ubuntu-uk email list..
[13:25] <alexcockell> As of tomorrow, Blinkbox is going Silverlight as well...
[13:26] <Azelphur> Amazon called me today because they wanted to talk about the unsatisfied customer review, I explained the situation to the guy and he said that it should be possible to do, he's gone off to investigate \o/
[13:30] <alexcockell> Azelphur - sorry - I've come in halfway - what's going on?
[13:30] <Azelphur> alexcockell: been trying to get a windows tax refund
[13:36] <penguin42> Azelphur: I'll be amazed if you get it!
[13:37] <Azelphur> penguin42: I'm persistent :)
[13:37] <penguin42> Azelphur: You could get a job harrying support centres for other people
[13:37] <Azelphur> haha
[13:38] <alexcockell> Reminds me of that old episode of UserFriendly when AJ flew a C130 over Redmond...
[13:39] <alexcockell> I was wondering - what with Netflix, Lovefilm and now Blinkbox all gone to Silverlight on the browser - but available to embedded Linux kit on tellies, in Rokus and similar...
[13:40] <alexcockell> ... would Canonical have any leverage if they were to develop a native application for the services?
[13:43] <penguin42> alexcockell: It's very difficult - I mean how many users would you get compared to say a major TV vendor?
[13:43] <Azelphur> alexcockell: google play has quite a lot of movies and is powered by flash/html5
[13:44] <alexcockell> Nah - I was meaning for Canonical to license a Blinkbox client.
[13:44] <alexcockell> I'd gladly pay...
[13:45] <alexcockell> I just don't care any more.  I just want Canonical to enter into discussions.. and if we have to say "stuff Stallman" on this one...
[13:45] <alexcockell> Otherwise - it looks like the next netbook/ultrabook purchase will have to be a Windows one.
[13:46] <alexcockell> and I;'ll have to jettison Linux..
[13:46] <alexcockell> Consider i GLADLY buy HBO licences from Blinkbox/Tesco..
[13:50] <penguin42> alexcockell: If you look Canonical already have various commercial stuff in their partner repos
[13:54] <alexcockell> Yes - but CAN I PLAY PLAYREADY CONTENT on Ubuntu 12.04 when I eventually upgrade?
[13:54] <penguin42> alexcockell: I haven't got a clue about playready content, and stop shouting
[13:54] <alexcockell> Sorry - the annoucement only arrived on Friday - and it goes tomorrow..
[13:55] <alexcockell> Just annoyed that that's all the major streaming services lost to Linux - possibly permanently
[13:56] <alexcockell> Except in the form of appliances...
[13:57] <czajkowski> Azelphur: did you find the law to refer to to Amazon and not just a blog
[13:57] <penguin42> alexcockell: It's the type of thing that fluendo would probably be the best to solve
[13:57] <Azelphur> czajkowski: yes
[13:57] <czajkowski> which one and what oart of the law in particular
[13:58] <Azelphur> The Sale and Supply of Goods to Consumers Regulations 2002
[13:58] <Azelphur> you'd have at least the first page or two for it to make sense
[13:58] <czajkowski> is that a UK law or an EU law
[13:59] <Azelphur> looks like it might actually be a UK one
[14:08] <alexcockell> Looks like no joy at the mo..
[14:09] <czajkowski> with regards to what ?
[14:15] <directhex> it's not a question of technology, it's a question of licensing
[14:15] <directhex> microsoft will not license playready to linux platforms which aren't fully locked down
[14:15] <directhex> hence set top boxes work, and ubuntu doesn't
[14:17] <alexcockell> I can kind of understand with browser plugins - as they hand off to browsers.. but why not an iTunes-like app?
[14:17] <penguin42> alexcockell: Because you can always preload a library run a hacked X server or the like to dump the video
[14:18] <alexcockell> And people don't attempt the same with FRAPS and playout on Win
[14:18] <alexcockell> ?
[14:19] <alexcockell> However, surely if Big Media met us halfway - then people would be less inclined to infringe...
[14:20] <alexcockell> Does seem to be a bit of a showstopper for Linux though..
[14:21] <penguin42> alexcockell: You could probably make a locked down Linux image using the secureboot stuff that they might agree to; the downside being that you couldn't do much in it
[14:22] <alexcockell> Why are Hollywood so paranoid?
[14:22] <alexcockell> Was possibly so different 2 years ago - http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-1091125.html
[14:22] <penguin42> alexcockell: Because people copying their stuff
[14:22] <czajkowski> who actually uses netflix ?
[14:23] <alexcockell> Yeah - but isn't that primarily down to lack of access?
[14:23] <alexcockell> They've had to be dragged kicking and screaming every step..
[14:24] <alexcockell> Hence how it's been easier for Brits to get access to Game of Thrones, for example, than in the States...
[14:25] <popey> czajkowski, lots of people in the US
[14:25] <popey> less so in the UK
[14:25] <czajkowski> popey: aye I was more curious about UK
[14:25] <popey> lots of people use amazon streaming too
[14:26] <czajkowski> I know back in .ie one person tried it and made headlines after getting a bill for 400 euros from her isp for the downloads
[14:26] <directhex> big old media companies have made their fortunes on one thing: access control
[14:26] <czajkowski> scared a lot of people off it
[14:26] <Laney> the netflix app for my TV is much better than the lovefilm one
[14:26] <Laney> so, /me
[14:26] <alexcockell> I was thinking re GOT - Sky Atlantic is on their basic package as opposed to something like Sky World, then Blinkbox secure streaming deals (I paid 18 quid)
[14:26] <zleap> it seems if you make it hard  for people to do things legally then they wil find OTHER means of getting stuff,  shame the tv people can't see that
[14:26] <directhex> they don't make money from making their content available to as many people as possible, they make their money from giving it to as few people as possible at any given moment
[14:27] <directhex> so they can sell it in as many decreasing price bands over time as possible
[14:27] <directhex> zleap is correct, of course, which is why they spend their money on lobbying for anti-consumer laws, not on making their content more available
[14:27] <penguin42> they seem to forget about the decreasing bit ....
[14:28] <popey> \o/ newsgroups
[14:28] <directhex> penguin42, consider a movie. it gets sold to cinemas, then to movie channels like HBO and hotel on-demand networks
[14:28] <popey> and stuff
[14:28] <penguin42> directhex: Yep
[14:28] <directhex> then on dvds and to regular TV networks
[14:28]  * penguin42 wishes they'd stop screwing up the dvd releases of older films
[14:28] <directhex> where does downloading fit on there? and how can you price differentiate a download in a different country?
[14:29] <directhex> if someone in the US will pay $20 and someone in the UK will pay £20, you desperately need to stop the UK customer from paying the US price, or you lose money!
[14:29] <alexcockell> Country and service specific streaming deals - rather than organising a proper wholesale market..
[14:29] <alexcockell> If they did THAT - allowing the retail side to differentiate on price and convenience...
[14:29] <penguin42> the same thing happens in other markets; drugs vary by orders of magnitude in cost depending on how competitive the market is
[14:30] <alexcockell> End-customer looks at the hoops on different retail suppliers...
[14:30] <directhex> competitive markets drive down consumer prices - and company profits
[14:30] <directhex> cartels are profitable
[14:31] <directhex> oh, and it's not just the consumer who gets dicked. actual filmmakers are effectively locked out from the entire game, unless they sign a contract with a cartel label
[14:31] <alexcockell> But why then force people to buy specific devices in order to be able to use content?
[14:31] <zleap> vendor lock in i guess
[14:31] <penguin42> alexcockell: Don't try and see sense in the process
[14:32] <directhex> alexcockell, because someone somewhere had a nice dinner with the manufacturer of a given device, therefore made it a rule
[14:32] <alexcockell> And yet the *music* industry seem to be learning it..
[14:32] <directhex> alexcockell, forcibly.
[14:32] <directhex> alexcockell, music drm died due to consumer backlash
[14:32] <directhex> there hans't been a similar backlash on movies etc yet
[14:32] <alexcockell> Ahhh - yep - I remember..
[14:33] <alexcockell> Shame that the studios don't actually grok it from the customer end...
[14:33] <penguin42> directhex: I'm worried it's not dead, just sleeping - once physical CDs are actually dead, there's the possibility of it happening again
[14:33] <directhex> until your aunt or uncle are angrily shouting to the gimp behind the counter at HMV, because their new music "CD" won't play in their computer or car, there's just "a few nerds" fighting against drm
[14:33] <penguin42> it's fortunate there are enough different players to make it difficult at the moment
[14:33] <directhex> once it's real people, it matters & can be plotted on cost/benefit curves
[14:34] <alexcockell> It's not DRM *per se*... it's beign locked to specific architectures....
[14:34] <soreau> Azelphur: windows tax refund?
[14:35] <penguin42> alexcockell: The lock in is DRM, I think that's the only reason
[14:35] <alexcockell> If Moonlight devs had been allowed to add PlayReady functionality...
[14:35] <penguin42> alexcockell: But it'll be patented to hell and again, require you to verify your host has been locked down - see DRM
[14:35] <soreau> If Moonlight devs were actually allowed to continue the project..
[14:35] <Azelphur> soreau: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_refund
[14:36] <alexcockell> I was hit by the iTunes lockout - one album I wanted was only availeble there - I've filed a request with the music streaming service I *do* use - We7 - to get the
[14:36] <directhex> soreau, or if anyone in the community had submitted a patch rather than bile
[14:36] <alexcockell> .... producers to see sense and release across the boaqrd
[14:36] <directhex> alexcockell, tesco has enough money to bully others into getting things added to we7
[14:37] <soreau> directhex: There would have been if it would have been feasible
[14:37] <alexcockell> However, what can a non-dev like me do?  File complaints - that's all
[14:42] <soreau> Azelphur: so you bought a system from amazon and want to get a refund on the windows tax only, not the entire OS?
[14:42] <Azelphur> soreau: the entire OS
[14:42] <soreau> Azelphur: Do you think they will ask you to return the complete system?
[14:43] <directhex> they might
[14:43] <Azelphur> soreau: they tried that, I refused a couple of times now but if they ask me to return the system again I will take it and go elsewhere
[14:43] <directhex> the issue is, the windows license explicitly says "if you don't agree with this license, shut down & return the OS for a refund"
[14:43] <shauno> not anymore it doesn't, as of 7
[14:44] <directhex> huh, haven't actually read any windows paperwork since xp
[14:44] <shauno> "By using the software, you accept these terms. If you do not accept them, do not use the software. Instead, contact the manufacturer or installer to determine its return policy. You must comply with that policy, which might limit your rights or require you to return the entire system on which the software is installed."
[14:45] <directhex> i guess manufacturers started demanding that clause be changed, since it passes the buck
[14:45] <directhex> nobody had a policy to handle windows refunds under the old license
[14:45] <stilofromfr> Hello everybody , Im new to this , i dont mean to disturb , can i ask a noob question ?
[14:46] <directhex> ask, don't ask to ask
[14:46] <Azelphur> directhex: you can get a partial refund on the grounds that it's faulty because you can't use it though :p
[14:46] <soreau> stilofromfr: sure
[14:46] <Azelphur> !ask | stilofromfr
[14:46] <directhex> Azelphur, well, ish. it's difficult to actually navigate the bureaucracy
[14:46] <Azelphur> yea
[14:47] <stilofromfr> Okay Thanks , I already encountered this problem, its about root in ubuntu 12.04 I can't get to modify my usr/bin folder ( to install android sdk) I already installed long ago and it worked , but now I can get the correct permissions, I tried to log in via terminal but I can only get sudo su to work for one command , and as I m' learning cli navigating is hard , thus i'm looking for a way to activate my root under the gui, tha
[14:48] <soreau> stilofromfr: What command are you running that's giving the error message?
[14:49] <stilofromfr> when i enter su , and then my root passwd ( set up earlier) I can "authentication failure "
[14:49] <stilofromfr> get*
[14:49] <soreau> !root
[14:49] <penguin42> stilofromfr: Just try sudo -s    and enter your user password
[14:49] <soreau> sudo -i
[14:49] <penguin42> stilofromfr: But also, you don't need to install android-sdk in /usr/bin - I've just got it installed in any old directory
[14:50] <soreau> stilofromfr: That's true, and it's good practice to install software that isn't from your distro repos, into a nonstandard prefix such as $HOME/android-sdk
[14:51] <stilofromfr> true, but not getting permission for that folder is quite improtant, also having control over the root access is good , even if i understand the purpose of su , I'm not dealing with sensitive data
[14:51] <stilofromfr> I mean I only have read access on my "files system" folder is that a major fence here?
[14:51] <penguin42> stilofromfr: Generally people tend not to use su any more, they just use sudo
[14:51] <soreau> stilofromfr: First, you should never run anything as root (or with sudo) unless you know why you need to
[14:52] <stilofromfr> I understand thanks, so my question would be : How can i install a folder in my filessystem bin folder ?
[14:53] <soreau> stilofromfr: Very carefully ;)
[14:53] <directhex> stilofromfr, "sudo -i" will give you a root shell. anything you do in there has full root powers
[14:53] <stilofromfr> thats great thanks, how could i get there with gui evnetually?
[14:53] <soreau> that's dangerous but you can run nautilus
[14:54] <stilofromfr> I've heard about that , it's a file explorer that give you root? but I remember being able to install files into everyfolders without problem it was under karmic koala
[14:54] <stilofromfr> it changed?
[14:54] <soreau> No, you'
[14:54] <soreau> No, you've changed
[14:55] <directhex> you might have enabled the root account, and have been using that
[14:55] <directhex> i've been administering linux systems professionally for almost a decade, honestly i never use root when i don't need to. it's not about a lack of power, it's about not leaving the safety latch turned off
[14:55] <soreau> stilofromfr: nautilus is a file browser, that you can run as user or root. However, when you run user applications as root, it may overwrite config settings and then might not work properly as user again
[14:56] <soreau> no to mention security issues and other potential problems
[14:57] <penguin42> soreau: Yeh it's important I think to use gksudo to start gui apps these days - I think that changes some gnome config to try and avoid it breaking configs
[14:59] <stilofromfr> okay , tbh I used root to be quicker , I didnt cared about system stability and security , I don't deal with anything sensitive and format very often. But , I may start to think about it as i need to make a cleaner use of linux , to install a stable sdk environment etc , and here im trying to reinstall adb to access a bricked phone ( no touchscreen response) , Thanks for the informations you gave me about su and sudo. :)
[14:59] <soreau> penguin42: I guess it depends on the app, it's just a good practice to always run as user unless you need to do some system configuration or other important task
[15:00] <soreau> stilofromfr: For instance, you can install whatever app to $HOME/foo/ and still run $HOME/foo/bin/bar as root if you need to
[15:00] <penguin42> soreau: Oh I agree, I mean if you've broken that rule and are going to run a gui app as root then use gksudo not sudo
[15:01] <soreau> many times doing things like accessing the internals of a phone requires elevated privileges
 Thanks I was dealing with this tuto stating I should install it there , as its an important package I wanted to follow direction but I'm gonna execute from somewhere else then ,without problem?
[15:02] <stilofromfr> I just need to go on adb and launch the reboot-recovery.sh , if you can shortcut me there  ...
[15:02] <soreau> stilofromfr: To clarify, you can build and install just about anything as user to a directory owned by your user, and still use the resulting binaries as root
[15:03] <soreau> stilofromfr: What is adb?
[15:03] <stilofromfr> thanks
[15:03] <stilofromfr> android debug bridge
[15:03] <stilofromfr> allow you to acces your android device from pc and do whatever
[15:03] <soreau> then use it :)
[15:04] <soreau> what's the problem?
[15:04] <penguin42> stilofromfr: Right, and once you've set up a udev rule for adb you don't need to run it as root later
[15:04] <stilofromfr> they told me to put it in /bin , and i couldnt because i wasnt root  :) but im gonna try now
[15:04] <stilofromfr> Thanks penguin , can you maybe give me a few  directions on this ?
[15:05] <penguin42> stilofromfr: It's been a while since I did it
[15:05] <soreau> udev is hard :P
[15:05] <soreau> stilofromfr: so are you building adb or.. can you just link me to the tutorial you're looking at?
[15:05] <czajkowski> popey: are you some sort of horder!
[15:05] <penguin42> stilofromfr: http://wiki.cyanogenmod.com/wiki/Udev
[15:05] <stilofromfr> Oh its okay :) I m' supposed to learn and not getting shortcut , I remember finding the unlock code for samsung was pretty easy
[15:05] <popey> yes, i am czajkowski and I am trying not to be
[15:06] <czajkowski> popey: so are you putting all the stuff in the loft out of eyes :)
[15:06] <czajkowski> my mum is the same
[15:06] <popey> loft or bin
[15:06] <penguin42> stilofromfr: Those rules basically say 'for this USB device make a device entry for it and make it available to a given user'
[15:06] <czajkowski> we have nearly a 2nd home up there always a spare kettle or pans
[15:07] <stilofromfr> I'm finding the tuto
[15:07] <popey> mine is mostly just old computers
[15:08] <stilofromfr> http://droidweb.com/2009/12/controlling-your-android-device-via-adb-and-a-usb-connection/
[15:08] <andylockran> exit
[15:08] <stilofromfr> http://theunlockr.com/2011/04/12/how-to-connect-to-your-android-device-through-adb-wirelessly/ that one is better , I think
[15:09] <soreau> stilofromfr: it even has some mention of udev stuff there
[15:11] <stilofromfr> actually yes the first one is about udev , im reading it
[15:11] <soreau> stilofromfr: but it doesn't say where you're getting adb from
[15:11] <stilofromfr> it was from another tut , just a sec..
[15:12] <stilofromfr> a&ctually : http://developer.android.com/sdk/index.html
[15:12] <soreau> stilofromfr: so you configured and built adb already?
[15:13] <stilofromfr> no I was reading tuts and starting getting fils when I encoutered the root permission (fake)"issue"
[15:14] <stilofromfr> http://forum.frandroid.com/topic/44240-tuto-acces-complet-au-systeme-de-fichiers-modifier-ce-que-lon-veut/ that one is from a french forum
I dont know what you mean by building adb , I tend to think it's isntalled because I used the sdk in the android kitchen sdixda http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=633246
[15:17] <stilofromfr> Im talking nonsense here , I'll jsut get more info thanks guys :)
[15:18] <soreau> stilofromfr: This looks like the link you want to follow https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AndroidSDK
[15:19] <stilofromfr> http://www.gilawnews.com/astuces/comment-installer-android-debug-bridge-adb-sur-linux/ thanks Soreau , also here is the first link I followed which told me to install it in usr/bin
[15:21] <soreau> stilofromfr: That doesn't appear to be good advice IMHO
[15:21] <stilofromfr> the gilanews web? yes but as you told me here the install folder isnt important so I better not use a rooted one , and root the execution as u told me
[15:23] <soreau> stilofromfr: The ubuntu.com guide seems to be very detailed and covers everything you need to be able to use adb as user
[15:24] <soreau> stilofromfr: FWIW, when you see $ cmd that means cmd is ran as user. # cmd means command run as root
[15:25] <stilofromfr> Thanks I already noticed that , I'm not THAT new but thanks for the reminder :)
[15:27] <stilofromfr> I'll follow that guide , the most important thing I learned here was the udev setting , I have to go for 20 min but Ill come back , and from what I understood the "udev" thing allow your computer to detect the device ? act like driver?
[15:27] <marxjohnson> Where should one report bugs against the Update Manager/Software Updater? Launchpad doesn't seem to let you
[15:27] <soreau> stilofromfr: no, it sets permissions on device nodes AFAIU
[15:28] <penguin42> marxjohnson: Just run  ubuntu-bug update-manager
[15:28] <stilofromfr> "device nodes AFAIU" ??
[15:28] <marxjohnson> penguin42: Thanks!
[15:28] <soreau> stilofromfr: device nodes are files you see in /dev/
[15:29] <soreau> stilofromfr: AFAIU is an acronym for As Far As I Understand
[15:29] <soreau> stilofromfr: For instance when you plug in a usb device, you can run dmesg|tail and see the device node (file) it created
[15:29] <ali1234> reporting bugs against update manager is rather difficult, because when it fails it is always during an update. which means when it fails your system is by definition not up to date. and apport won't let you report bugs on a system that is not up to date
[15:30] <soreau> stilofromfr: but the file might not be created with the right permissions you want without udev rules
[15:30] <stilofromfr> Oh thank you very much
[15:30] <ali1234> so "ubuntu-bug update-manager" is pretty much guaranteed to not work
[15:31] <soreau> ali1234: ha, nice
[15:31] <soreau> ubuntu does have certain ways of stifling bug reports ;)
[15:32] <stilofromfr> I'm looking into this udev rules , I will have to come back on this later , after I installed the sdk correctly , I might want to wipe my ubuntu , as I installed an android kitchens etc :/ I 'll have a clean start thanks Soreau,Cya :)
[15:33] <marxjohnson> It's not failed to update, it's an interface/UX issue, so it thanfully it works in this case
[15:33] <marxjohnson> thankfully*
[15:35] <TheOpenSourcerer> AlanBell: I have recently made a submission to "Rate my spice rack" :-)
[15:50] <christel> i look forward to investigating your rack TheOpenSourcerer!
[15:50] <Laney> giggidy
[15:50] <TheOpenSourcerer> :-D
[15:53] <TheOpenSourcerer> christel: A sneak preview: https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/104060033182234025482/albums/5781381115748169985
[15:54] <penguin42> heck
[15:54] <TheOpenSourcerer> https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/104060033182234025482/albums/5781381898562345793
[15:56] <penguin42> you don't do mild then?
[15:56] <TheOpenSourcerer> lol - not often.
[15:57] <TheOpenSourcerer> I bought some stonking chilli pods yesterday from the West Dean Chilli Fiesta: Dorest Nagas, Trinidad Scorpion Mouraga (current world record holder) and a new variety "Brain Strain". All are insanely hot ~1m SHU
[15:58] <TheOpenSourcerer> s/Dorset
[15:59] <TheOpenSourcerer> If you are interested penguin42 here are some pics of the West Dean Chilli Fiesta: https://plus.google.com/u/0/photos/104060033182234025482/albums/5781379500444308961
[15:59] <penguin42> yeh just noticed them on your profile; I'm not a spicy penguin; about as far I go is a spot of cinnamon on my apples
[16:00] <TheOpenSourcerer> lol
[16:18] <christel> TheOpenSourcerer: nice rack! ;)
[16:18] <TheOpenSourcerer> thanks christel
[16:19] <christel> i am procrastinating, i really should try pack my suitcases and get ready to return home
[16:21] <christel> not looking forward to travelling!
[16:25] <TheOpenSourcerer> christel: When ar you coming back then?
[16:25] <AlanBell> http://ratemyspicerack.com/opensourcerer/
[16:25] <TheOpenSourcerer> Thanks AlanBell
[16:25] <AlanBell> nice rack
[16:29] <popey> hey directhex what dis mean? http://paste.ubuntu.com/1170181/
[16:30] <directhex> popey, it means the application is a .NET 2.0 app, but one of the libraries it's loading gtk-sharp) wants types not found in .NET 2.0 - it's a consequence of running 2.0 apps unmodified on ubuntu 11.10+, where the only supported version of .net is 4.0
[16:31] <directhex> you can force it by passing the --runtime=v4.0 flag to mono
[16:33] <popey> how?
[16:34] <popey> ahh, it's a shell script
[16:34]  * popey rummages
[16:35] <popey> yay, it starts, thanks
[16:36] <popey> pfft, doesn't work,
[16:36] <popey> removed
[16:36] <AlanBell> I suspect few people other than perhaps popey will be able to beat TheOpenSourcerer's rack
[16:38] <TheOpenSourcerer> Certainly for quantity - but for layout and access I fail miserably. My wife moved all my stuff from a revolving 2 tier carousel jobby in the corner cupboard into these boxes. I hate them in the boxes...
[16:38] <directhex> popey, yeah, looks broken. maybe trying to use HAL or somesuch other deprecated things
[16:56] <christel> TheOpenSourcerer: i touch down at 11:50 tomorrow
[16:56] <christel> the flight is only 2 hours, however, i am currently 492 km north of the airport! ;)
[16:57] <christel> so i shall leave around midnight tonight (well, 11ish your time)
[16:57] <mgdm> christel: are you OMG NORTH right now, then? :)
[16:57] <christel> nah not very north, i'm at the arctic circle :)
[16:58] <mgdm> that's fairly north
[16:58] <christel> OMG north is another 1,192 km further north ;)
[16:58] <christel> (norway is such a silly long country)
[16:58] <mgdm> I was giving someone abuse recently because he was organising a conference in Toronto called 'True North PHP', but he's only at about 43 degrees
[16:58] <mgdm> I'm at 55, and used to live at 58 :)
[16:58] <christel> hehe
[16:59] <Dave2> Surely anything involving PHP is worthy of abuse
[16:59] <mgdm> I was waiting for that
[17:14] <popey> bah!
[17:14] <popey> someone near me has lit a bbq
[17:14] <popey> smells yum
[17:15] <christel> nom
[17:15] <daubers> popey: Light one back, just to spite them....
[17:32] <jacobw> evening
[17:36] <Dave2> I had to cycle through barbecue smell on my bike ride earlier.
[17:37] <Dave2> I was about 2 hours into it. I did not want barbecue smell.
[17:37] <christel> hehe
[17:37] <Dave2> Speaking of which, I should make some food. *disappears*
[18:01] <stilofromfr> Hi again everyone  , A noob question that will save me useless googling :How to run a batch script ... the first time i encouter one
[18:02] <jacobw> sh foo.sh
[18:03] <stilofromfr> thanks
[18:03] <stilofromfr> ....mhhhh is .bat only in windows?
[18:03] <AlanBell> yeah, same kind of thing though
[18:04] <jacobw> bin is in the $PATH environment variable, which tells the shell which directories to search for executables, /bin/sh is a link to system's shell which interprets shell scripts
[18:04] <jacobw> a shell script can have any extension, it just needs to be executable
[18:05] <stilofromfr> thanks again , so I guess the text I paste here is the result of my script that run "correctly " ? :extract_image.bat: 1: extract_image.bat: @echo: not found extract_image.bat: 2: extract_image.bat: SETLOCAL: not found Cleaning extract directory rmdir: échec de suppression de «/S»: Aucun fichier ou dossier de ce type rmdir: échec de suppression de «/Q»: Aucun fichier ou dossier de ce type rmdir: échec de suppression de 
[18:05] <jacobw> !paste
[18:05] <AlanBell> stilofromfr: go back several steps, what is it, where did you get it from?
[18:06] <jacobw> paste what your trying to run the psatebin and it'll be obvious if it's a bash script or not
[18:06] <jacobw> bash is the default shell on most linux distributions
[18:07] <stilofromfr> My bad jacobw, Sry AlanBell I didnt understood you question, I'm trying to run a script ending in .bat under ubuntu 12 I got the message posted above as a result of sh image_extract.bat
[18:07] <stilofromfr> r*
[18:07] <stilofromfr> Thanks again for the information Jacobw I now know I can run .bat under linux.
[18:07] <AlanBell> stilofromfr: what script? why are you trying to run it? where did it come from?
[18:07] <AlanBell> why do you think it is a Linux script?
[18:07] <jacobw> open up the .bat and paste it to paste.ubuntu.com
[18:08] <stilofromfr> okay
[18:08] <jacobw> it's mostly likely a windows batch script, which is for the windows cmd.exe or powershell, bash scripts are interpretted by bash which has it's own syntax
[18:09] <stilofromfr> http://pastebin.com/Vvk3Jmm3 ,
[18:09] <stilofromfr> comes from here http://www.techknow.t0xic.nl/forum/index.php?topic=1679.0
[18:10] <stilofromfr> btw pastebin.ubuntu land on the homepage i think
[18:10] <AlanBell> popey: this is true, http://pastebin.ubuntu-uk.org is broken, should it work?
[18:13] <mattt_> evening
[18:14] <christel> lo mattt :)
[18:14] <mattt> howzit christel?
[18:14]  * mattt is back from shopping in swindon :(
[18:14] <christel> not at all bad!
[18:15] <christel> shopping in swindon! i say
[18:15] <mattt> the outlet mall's not bad, all things considered
[18:15] <mattt> but i'd rather have been at home watching sports :P
[18:16] <stilofromfr> Alan Bell Did you look at the script ?
[18:16] <AlanBell> stilofromfr: I did have a quick look, it is fairly clear what it is trying to do, I would just do the individual steps
[18:17] <AlanBell> I will download the file and see what is in it
[18:17] <stilofromfr> Yes , It may sound clean to you , could you help me discern the steps there?
[18:17] <stilofromfr> clear*
[18:18] <AlanBell> heh, just read the echo lines
[18:18] <stilofromfr> Yes I know but the overall thing look rather obscure ,
[18:19] <stilofromfr> the whole package should be intented to extract the date inside a .img file , which is used by a few allwinner tablet manufacturer to pack their rom , I need to unpack and cook it my way
[18:19] <stilofromfr> data and not date , apologies for bad english
[18:20] <stilofromfr> the goal of all that is to avoid using android mods , and make a clean french stock rom
[18:20] <AlanBell> so I download a10_flash_kitchen_v2.zip, then run "unzip a10_flash_kitchen_v2.zip"
[18:20] <AlanBell> that gives me a packer_gb and packer_ics directory
[18:21] <stilofromfr> then you extract those two file in a dir
[18:21] <stilofromfr> http://www.techknow.t0xic.nl/forum/index.php?topic=1679.0 Here is the whole tuto
[18:21] <stilofromfr> you will also need a livesuite.img , you can download a rom on onda website, but you really want to try and do the whole thing? don't bother , I would be happy with a few explanations
[18:23] <stilofromfr> http://www.onda-tablet.com/download/ here you have all my resources , I used the 4.0.3 Onda VI30 Deluxe (V1)  Android 4.0_v0.8 Firmware   http://file2.mydrivers.com/ondata/download/driver/oamp3/Vi30P/Vi30P_V1V2_Android4.0.3-0.8.rar
[18:23] <AlanBell> ok, so that is a windows batch file, it first removes the _extract directory probably (rmdir /S /Q _extract) dunno what /S and /Q are, but probably just delete it
[18:23] <AlanBell> then it runs imagesuite\unimg -d original.img
[18:24] <AlanBell> that line will be a problme
[18:24] <AlanBell> problem
[18:24] <stilofromfr> All right so launching all these tool in windows would be more appropriate? because the livesuite software is only for windows
[18:24] <AlanBell> because the imagesuite/unimg thing will be a windows executable
[18:24] <AlanBell> it *might* run under wine
[18:24] <stilofromfr> great
[18:24] <AlanBell> then it renames a directory
[18:24] <AlanBell> then it renames a bunch of files
[18:24] <stilofromfr> I won't bother doing this , virtualization isnt my cup of tea ,plus I have a windows on hand
[18:25] <stilofromfr> I tried to launch league of legend with wine , wasted 3 days of my life.
[18:25] <stilofromfr> Anyway Thanks Alan , Im gonna go try and come back to tell you , but it seems long enough for me :) Thanks for the infos Cya !
[18:26] <AlanBell> o/
[18:37] <HardDriveIssues> Hello everyone i bought this hard drive (WD Caviar Blue 1 TB SATA Hard Drives ( WD10EZEX)(sata3)) pluged it in a sata2 controller searched for solutions but didn't find anything. My os is ubuntu 11.04. So trying to first time install the 1tb hdd and shows only 33mb of space. I checked in bios the same... in ubuntu same... i even tryied with a windows 7 disk... what is going wrong about 1 month ago i had installed 1tb hdd a
[18:38] <penguin42> HardDriveIssues: How old is the controller? Is it onboard or a card?
[18:38] <HardDriveIssues> onboard
[18:39] <HardDriveIssues> my motherboard is gigabyte ga-945gm-s2
[18:39] <HardDriveIssues> i was told and i found around the internet that sata3 hdds can run on sta2 controller
[18:39] <HardDriveIssues> but not in sata3 speeds
[18:39] <penguin42> yeh that's right
[18:39] <HardDriveIssues> it seems like the drive isn't formated
[18:40] <AlanBell> bios should report the right size though
[18:40] <penguin42> HardDriveIssues: formatting isn't really an issue these days
[18:40] <penguin42> HardDriveIssues: If you can boot an ubuntu livecd, and get the output of dmesg and/or cat /proc/partitions to a pastebin we could see if there is anything that says what's going on
[18:41] <HardDriveIssues> right now i have a 320gb hard drive in ubuntu
[18:41] <HardDriveIssues> this is the pc i am speaking right now
[18:42] <penguin42> HardDriveIssues: Yeh, well only way to figure out is to boot with that drive in and get some info - we can't use telepathy to figure it out!
[18:42] <AlanBell> so the second one is plugged in now?
[18:42] <AlanBell> try running this command
[18:42] <HardDriveIssues> yeah it is pluged in
[18:42] <penguin42> ah ok
[18:42] <AlanBell> sudo fdisk -l /dev/sdb
[18:43] <AlanBell> and copy and paste the results to http://paste.ubuntu.com/ and tell us the URL it gives you after you hit the paste button
[18:44] <penguin42> HardDriveIssues: One thing I can think is worth checking in the BIOS, just check it's not set on manual rather than autodetect for the drive type; it's very rare, so I doubt it - but it might be worth checking
[18:44] <HardDriveIssues> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1170399/
[18:45] <penguin42> wow
[18:45]  * AlanBell wonders if that is something else
[18:45] <penguin42> HardDriveIssues: Can you paste the output of dmesg into the pastebin?
[18:46] <HardDriveIssues> one moment please
[18:47] <HardDriveIssues> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1170402/
[18:49] <AlanBell> gosh.
[18:49] <penguin42> 4kb block issue
[18:49] <penguin42> ?
[18:50] <penguin42> HardDriveIssues: Can you quickly go and check the BIOS to see if it has a manual drive size setting; it's worth the check!
[18:50] <AlanBell> looks broken to me :(
[18:51] <HardDriveIssues> i bought it today how might be brokeeen? :(
[18:51] <penguin42> AlanBell: I can't see how a broken one would fail like that?
[18:51] <AlanBell> a 1tb drive shouldn't be sufficiently exotic to do anything other than just work
[18:51] <HardDriveIssues> i have a bricked-burned-destroyed 1tb drive and still says its 1tb in ubuntu
[18:52] <HardDriveIssues> but it cant mount-install os or anything else
[18:52] <penguin42> HardDriveIssues: Is that still 11.04
[18:52] <HardDriveIssues> i didn't reboot yet
[18:53] <HardDriveIssues> in what section is the manual drive size in bios
[18:53] <penguin42> HardDriveIssues: Which OS version is that dmesg from?
[18:53] <HardDriveIssues> ?
[18:53] <HardDriveIssues> ubuntu 11.04
[18:53] <HardDriveIssues> 2.6.38-15-generic
[18:53] <HardDriveIssues> kernel
[18:54] <penguin42> HardDriveIssues: The manual size stuff is normally under the options where it shows you the drives, first page or two; but my other thought is that the kernel is too old/doesn't like the 4KB block size that drive is using, so if the bios option isn't there it's worth trying a new Ubuntu
[18:54] <AlanBell> well if the bios reports it as 33mb I suspect it is game over
[18:54] <HardDriveIssues> well this is why i tryied a windows 7 install dvd
[18:55] <HardDriveIssues> with pluged in only the 1tb hdd
[18:55] <penguin42> HardDriveIssues: If it doesn't work with win7 either then I guess the options are 1) Bios fixed size problem 2) BIOS just doesn't like 4kb blocks
[18:56] <HardDriveIssues> but i had an 1tb drive what changed?
[18:56] <HardDriveIssues> may i paste a link here? or it is spam or sth?
[18:57] <penguin42> link ok
[18:57] <penguin42> HardDriveIssues: Possible the other drive wasn't using 4KB blocks
[18:57] <HardDriveIssues> http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/forum/245972-14-solved-hd103uj-appears-32mb-drive
[18:58] <HardDriveIssues> i thought to update bios but gigabyte gives me an exe
[18:58]  * bigcalm swan dives into the channel
[18:59]  * christel gets out of the way
[18:59] <penguin42> HardDriveIssues: Some of those can be updated other ways - like DOS boot floppies etc
[18:59] <HardDriveIssues> my pc dont have floppie :D :S
[18:59] <HardDriveIssues> doesnt*
[19:00] <penguin42> HardDriveIssues: ok ok, usb floppy image
[19:00] <HardDriveIssues> can i have any help with that? i have the exe i have a usb stick
[19:01] <HardDriveIssues> i also have a laptop so you can hang out with me as i am trying to destroy me computer
[19:01] <HardDriveIssues> my*
[19:02]  * penguin42 has to go in a few mins
[19:02] <penguin42> HardDriveIssues: Might also want to try http://support.wdc.com/product/download.asp?groupid=606&lang=en   (or the appropriate version for your drive)
[19:09] <HDDIssues> i am trying the cd penguin42 from western digital site
[19:10] <penguin42> HDDIssues: Good luck; it's a weird one that!  I'd see if I could try it in another PC and see if it also said it was 33MB
[19:12] <HDDIssues> it says drive not supported i cant understand :/
[19:12] <penguin42> bah
[19:12] <penguin42> HDDIssues: OK, only thing I can suggest is to try on another PC
[19:13] <penguin42> HDDIssues: If the BIOS, Win7 and Ubuntu all agree that it's the wrong size then there's not much else to suggest
[19:14] <HDDIssues> can you guide me to bios
[19:14] <HDDIssues> any jumper ? :/// whats the 4kb blocks?
[19:16] <penguin42> HDDIssues: I can't see any notes on a jumper on your drive model
[19:17] <penguin42> HDDIssues: Newer drives use 4KB blocks on the drive, older ones use 512byte; some BIOSs don't understand the 4KB - Linux *should* be OK these days
[19:18] <HDDIssues> ok so we speak about a bios update
[19:18]  * penguin42 has to go!
[19:18] <penguin42> HDDIssues: Best of luck
[19:18] <HDDIssues> anyone can help to update bios
[19:19] <HDDIssues> thanks for your time penguin
[19:45] <SuperMatt> it occurs to me how awesome linux is considering I've just been sitting on my sofa, installing linux on a laptop while using said laptop to make further changes to my desktop pc
[19:53] <bigcalm> mgdm: apart from yourself, whom am I likely to know at phpnw?
[19:55] <mgdm> bigcalm: Lorna, now :) There'll be some names you'll recognise, too
[19:56] <bigcalm> mgdm: chosen your hotel yet? I'm considering the pricier one just because I hate walking any distance with a skin full ;)
[19:57] <bigcalm> And whom do I blame for this bloody cold?
[19:58] <bigcalm> Every year I get one. Will have to factor in a week's recovery time in the future
[19:59] <popey> I am pondering taking sophie camping next weekend
[19:59] <popey> we put the tent up today as a test
[19:59] <popey> (it's not been used for ~14 years)
[20:00] <mgdm> bigcalm: no, not yet
[20:00] <mgdm> bigcalm: was going to tomorrow
[20:02] <bigcalm> popey: camping in the garden?
[20:02] <popey> its setup in the garden, yes
[20:04] <popey> handy it rained
[20:05] <bigcalm> Spend the night in the garden, see if she is up for it or not
[20:05] <bigcalm> Not Sam's thing?
[20:13] <popey> bigcalm, chatted with wifey, she thinks I should take them both
[20:14] <popey> so i think i will
[20:14] <bigcalm> Cool :)
[20:14] <popey> just need to find a campsite now
[20:14] <bigcalm> How far do you intend to go?
[20:17] <popey> no more than an hour, hour and a bit
[20:17] <popey> so probably anywhere from Bournemouth to Eastbourne
[20:17] <popey> Sophie has ballet class on Saturday lunchtime so i would have to go after that
[20:20] <MartijnVdS> popey: We went camping near Stockbridge once with my dad.. it was a cool week :)
[20:21] <popey> excellent, I'm hoping they have happy memories
[20:21] <popey> might need to borrow some camping kit from a friend
[20:21] <popey> only got a tent :)
[20:22] <bigcalm> Things I remember from camping holidays were fried egg sandwiches for breakfast, tinned curry and boil in the bag rice for tea, victoria sponge if we'd been good
[20:23] <popey> :)
[20:24] <popey> camping friendly food is indeed wise
[20:24] <popey> hmm, twitter and facebook are both broken for me tonight
[20:24] <popey> can't upload photos to either
[20:25] <popey> oh, finally went to fb
[20:30] <bigcalm> popey: I see a double post on fb
[20:30] <popey> ta
[20:32] <bigcalm> popey: as noted on g+, it does look slightly dodgy :)
[20:32] <popey> meh
[20:32] <bigcalm> But we are terrible people
[20:54] <shauno> plugged an SD card into 12.04 .. silly question, but how do I find it?
[20:59] <bigcalm> shauno: if it's auto mounted, it'll be in /media
[21:00] <shauno> doesn't appear to be mounted.  I can't find any devices matching it either
[21:01] <bigcalm> What does mount tell you from the cli?
[21:01] <bigcalm> Is there anything in dmesg?
[21:01] <bigcalm> Or maybe syslog?
[21:01] <arsen> erp, facebook / twitter being dodgy through AA, seems forcing google/level3 dns fixed it :/
[21:04] <shauno> http://paste.ubuntu.com/1170655/   sees the reader (elcheapo usb, served me well for years though), but no sign of the card itself
[21:05] <shauno> (yes I'm aware file's not the prettiest way of finding filesystems, but it's surprisingly effective)
[21:13] <shauno> ah, nevermind.  appears my reader's too old for sdhc; an old 1GB card works fine
[21:15] <bigcalm> \o/
[21:15] <shauno> still stranded trying to grow my pi's rootfs, but at least it makes sense now
[21:22] <dwatkins> I thought it was automatic now, shauno.
[21:23] <shauno> the raspmc image I've got did, adafruit's didn't
[21:23] <dwatkins> The raspbian install I tried a couple weeks ago had it as a menu option and it applied the changes the next time I rebooted. There's a youtube video with the details.
[21:23] <dwatkins> ah ok, not tried theirs yet.
[21:24] <shauno> I like adafruit's because they have avahi running out of the box, so I can actually find the thing on the network
[21:26] <dwatkins> ah yes, handy
[21:26] <dwatkins> I tend to set its MAC address in my DHCP config so I can just refer to it as 'pi'
[22:24] <n1md4> Does anyone know how to kill/close 1 rouge irssi window?
[22:26] <dwatkins> n1md4: /wc (i.e. window close)
[22:27] <n1md4> dwatkins: that did it, thanks :)
[22:27] <dwatkins> :)