[04:59] lo [05:10] morning all [05:31] hello Kilos [05:33] morning all [05:33] hey Squirm [05:33] hi magespawn [05:33] whats up Squirm? [05:33] * Squirm noms his toast [05:34] I'm late :/ [05:34] hi magespawn [05:35] hey Kilos [05:40] be back in a few. going to work. [05:58] morning all [05:59] * Squirm yawns [05:59] hello jrgns [05:59] hi jrgns [05:59] you at work already Squirm? [05:59] has anyone here registered a co.za domain manually? [06:00] hi megaspawn, Squirm [06:00] how do you mean manually? [06:00] tab complete [06:00] hi jrgns [06:00] jrgns: you fill in the form and email it off [06:01] didn't know there was an autonomous way [06:01] magespawn: yep, I live on the premises :P [06:01] lol [06:01] if you do it through an isp they do it for you [06:02] ok [06:02] jrgns: http://co.za/coza_reg.txt [06:03] and in the big block [06:03] |Please Email the completed form once the domain is ready to: | [06:03] | coza-admin@co.za [06:26] * Squirm eyes jrgns [06:29] Squirm thnx [06:29] ja, I got that part [06:29] my issue is with the DNS [06:29] co.za requires the DNS to be setup before you can register it [06:30] but my DNS provider (namecheap) requires the domain to be registered before you can setup the DNS [06:30] chicken <-> egg situation [06:31] at the moment I'm contemplating setting up my own DNS server just for the initial registration, and then moving the DNS to nc [06:31] I was wondering if there are any other solutions [06:32] megaspawn: I've gone the isp route before, want to try out doing it myself [06:32] and hey Kilos [06:32] * jrgns thinks he's caught up on all the messages now [06:34] dammit, my dog is getting very upset that I wont play with her [06:34] she's barking at me [06:35] send her back to the spca so that they can play with her [06:35] :| [06:35] lol the other day she stole my wireless mouse off my desk [06:40] morning superfly Kerbero Symmetria [06:41] morning Kilos [06:41] morning === sakhi_ is now known as sakhi [06:43] hi sakhi psydroid [06:44] namaste Kilos [06:45] good morning [06:45] Maaz: coffee on [06:45] * Maaz starts grinding coffee [06:45] goedenmorgen charlvn [06:45] hi sakhi [06:45] hi charlvn [06:45] hoi psydroid :) [06:45] hi Kilos [06:46] Maaz, coffee please [06:46] Kilos: Alrighty [06:49] Coffee's ready for charlvn and Kilos! [06:49] Maaz, ty [06:49] You are welcome Kilos [06:57] Maaz: thanks [06:57] charlvn: Sure [07:12] jrgns: sorry, was out [07:12] jrgns: try everydns [07:12] free [07:13] nevermind [07:13] just saw now that its dead [07:13] :/ [07:13] Squirm: urgh, ok [07:13] I used it for ages. but havent in about 2 years [07:14] jrgns: http://zoneedit.com/ [07:15] the other one I used. not as good, but it should do in the interim [07:15] tried them, but you need to pay 1$ per zone [07:15] afraid.org I think [07:15] :O [07:15] superfly: tried them as well, but they also need the domain registered before you can add the zone (i think) [07:16] jrgns: I can set up one for you. it'll point to my site for now, but if it's just for registration... [07:16] ah [07:16] Squirm: thanx, but I want to be able to automate it a bit [07:16] easiest will probably be to set it up on my server then [07:16] you'll have control, I'll just provide the nameservers [07:16] kewl, control through? API? [07:17] wait. how does your host expect you to have registered the domain, if you have nothing to register it with [07:18] if you just carry on through those steps, where you want to hos your site [07:18] enter in the domain name you want(don't have yet) [07:18] doesn't it let you go through? [07:18] I'm self hosting, and used to register through a service provider [07:18] now I want to self register as well [07:19] it looks like co.za assumes that if you have the expertise to register, you can also setup a name server [07:19] so why can't you set up the domain on your hosting side, before you register? [07:19] ah, I see [07:19] yes, you'll either have to set up a NS, or find one [07:19] that's what i'll be doing - setup a dns server on my hosting box, and use it just to do the initial registration [07:20] yup [07:20] once it's registered, what are you going to do with it? [07:20] namecheap, probably. [07:20] my international domains are with them, currently, and they have an api [07:20] and they're quite cheap [07:20] http://dns.he.net/ is probably one of the best i have used [07:20] then why do you have to register it before you use them> [07:20] ? [07:21] don't think they do co.za domains, do they? [07:21] Squirm: what do you mean? You need to first set up the domain name on a name server, then you register it and the registrar looks at the DNS servers you provide. [07:22] superfly: I get that. but once it's registered, he says he'll move it to namecheap [07:22] which will then undergo the same process [07:22] if you want to register a co.za, get a primary dns server and a secondary dns server and put in the application yourself [07:23] if you register it via another company, make sure you have the ownership and not them [07:23] If you don't provide valid DNS servers for your domain name, the registrar will reject your registration [07:23] some companies register the domain under their name and then they are technically the owners [07:23] charlvn: that's what I want to do, the problem is the dns servers [07:23] so if you want to move it away they can hold you for ransom [07:23] I can't get any (free) ones that allow setting up the DNS *before* the registration [07:23] jrgns: have you checked dns.he.net? [07:23] they of course allow this [07:23] or used to, anyway [07:23] soz, not yet, bouncing around [07:23] hold on [07:23] and the servers support ipv6 nicely [07:24] jrgns: that's the thing. you have to be able to set up dns *before* registering a domain. so I'm sure all those servics do offer it [07:25] Namecheap doesn't [07:25] you need to confirm the domain first, either through an email [07:25] or through the domain's nameservers pointing to them [07:25] so for a new domain you can't do it [07:26] i'm checking out dns.he.net now [07:26] ok [07:26] well [07:26] zoneedit isn't free [07:26] off to work I go [07:26] and it used to be free :/ [07:29] yeah, schweet. dns.he.net is free, and allows adding zones for unregistered domains [07:29] thnx charlvn! [07:29] np [07:33] some more options, for those who are interested http://www.quietaffiliate.com/3-new-free-dns-hosting-providers-including-failover-hosting [07:34] * tumbleweed uses dns.he.net very happily (as a secondary, to the primary I run on my server) [07:52] tumbleweed: which dns daemon do you use? [07:52] i used to use bind but i got a bit careful of all the security holes [07:53] charlvn: powerdns [07:53] but with the bind zone-file backend, because text files are more convenient for editing than DBs [07:53] sounds good [07:53] yeah, I'm also scared of BIND [07:54] wb psydroid [07:55] hi psydroid [07:57] ty charlvn [08:04] I want to use PowerDNS the same way I use BIND, as both a local and a forwarding DNS server, but I couldn't make head or tail of the docs I read [08:05] I really like keeping authoritive and recursive DNS servers separate [08:05] (except in small LANs, where dnsmasq can do everything and I love it) [08:06] I don't mind if they're separate, I just want it to work [08:18] hi morgs [08:18] Hi Kilos [08:18] * Kilos greets tumbleweed too [09:02] hi Vince-0 [09:02] hi [09:53] lo [09:54] morning Kilos [09:54] (eep, only just) [09:54] lol [09:54] time to start being productive... [09:55] hi all :) [09:55] hi smile [09:56] Kilos: how are you? :) [09:56] ok ty smile and you? [09:57] Kilos: also fine :) [09:57] * smile just wrote an article about systemd on wikipedia [09:57] :) [10:00] smile: systemd is available on Debian, but AFAIK it's not actually usable without a lot of effort [10:00] it doesn't support sys-v scripts out the box, does it? [10:01] * tumbleweed dosen't think OpenRC is directly comperable, but I suppose it is a modern sys-v init implementation... [10:03] good morning everyone [10:03] tumbleweed: I don't know :) but they were making a conversion script [10:03] in both ways [10:03] Maaz: what's for lunch? [10:03] inetpro: they say Debonairs Pizza is the leading pizza restaurant in Africa. http://www.debonairs.co.za/ [10:03] good morning inetpro :p [10:03] smile: it's continuously discussed in Debian, but I'm not convinced it's a solveable problem [10:04] at least, not completely [10:04] lo inetpro [10:05] * smile gaat eten [10:05] tumbleweed: it's solveable, but not in near future [10:05] :p [10:05] god I love this amplifier [10:05] kilos was just browsing around my amp at home via a web interface :P [10:05] you gonna end up deaf [10:06] haha kilos I gotta reenable the firewalling/security on that thing [10:06] no wonder your dog is mad [10:06] because technically with the access you had there right then [10:06] you can change my music, my volume, the input anything [10:06] :p [10:06] ok ty for sharing [10:06] plz dont :p [10:06] haha [10:06] Kilos: what's the address? [10:06] haha [10:06] lol you'll have noticed the volume was set at -45.5dB [10:07] if you were to change that to 0dB my neighbors would go deaf [10:07] change that to +20dB and my windows will probably break [10:07] ;P [10:07] lol [10:07] hehe that amp is linked to almost a thousand watts RMS worth of speakers [10:08] ouch [10:08] Kilos: try to break it while you can, Symmetria loves fixing things again [10:08] kilos its kinda cool that you can browse my pc with it :p [10:08] for mp3s [10:08] luckily they still use volume controls [10:08] yeah [10:08] and that internet radio classified by genre is hardcore as well [10:09] you will be able to have a 2 week long party and not need to change music [10:09] kilos haha I can do that off my mp3/flac collection already [10:09] :p [10:10] you'll be old and gray before you listen to it all [10:10] your mom must walk around with ear plugs in [10:10] Total Tracks Found: 98741 [10:10] ;p [10:10] wow [10:11] scary thing is that I actually OWN 80% of that as originals :p [10:11] oh well you gotta use your money for something [10:11] dont wanna lose too much when banks crash [10:12] hehe most of the stuff I dont own is bootlegs [10:12] because you cant own those :p [10:12] keep some under the mattress as well [10:12] thats 14 years of collecting music [10:12] :) [10:13] whew [10:13] though now days most of the music I collect is really rare stuff, I have enough normal stuff, now I go looking for stuff thats extremely hard to find/very rare [10:13] im sure your mom sighs with relief when you go away for a week or two [10:14] hehe [10:14] * Symmetria managed to get hold of an original cd of sisters of mercy - some BOYS wander by mistake [10:14] heh, that cd cost me almost 1500 bux :p [10:14] ow [10:14] because they only created like, 500 of it [10:16] you better have a kid to inherit from you [10:30] kilos [10:31] what browser were you using [10:31] when you accessed that thing [10:31] opera Symmetria [10:31] cause inetpro is getting odd errors on chrome and firefox under linux [10:31] but it works fine on my chrome [10:31] and my firefox [10:32] lemme try again [10:32] im back in again [10:33] hrm [10:33] it might be that his squid proxies dont luv it :p [10:35] * inetpro should upgrade that squid anyway, but I somehow suspect that it's something else [10:36] inetpro, dont you ever use opera [10:36] Kilos: no, it's not in the standard repositories [10:37] ah, [10:37] I used to like Opera many years ago [10:37] then came Firefox 1 [10:38] and I have not looked back after that [10:38] Firefox with all it's extensions is a very powerful and feature complete browser [10:41] i think i got opera because it is the browser on my nokia and somewhere it said get it for pc [10:41] light weight they said [10:41] works ok for me and doesnt update every 2 weekas [10:41] weeks either [10:44] opera is very strong on old mobile hardware like nokia, but I don't think they are as competitive as Firefox and Chromium/Chrome these days [10:44] but I could be wrong [10:47] but I see their latest release is Opera 12.00 released on 2012-08-02 [10:47] Kilos: I guess the reason that you're not seeing frequent updates is exactly because it's not in the repositories [10:47] a dangerous road to go [10:51] Kilos: Opera Changelogs for UNIX http://www.opera.com/docs/changelogs/unix/ [10:57] ah they udpated some [10:57] dunno which one i got [10:57] must be 12.00 [10:58] the turbo tool works ok when nets are slow [10:58] dunno how it does that but anyway [11:29] hey all [11:29] Symmetria you showing off again [11:31] hiya maiatoday magespawn [11:31] hey Kilos [11:31] whats up? [11:35] not much [12:23] saw you and symmetria were playing nicely [12:24] hehe [12:24] he has some nice toys [12:24] that he does [12:25] did he just pass you a ip address? to get in, or did he give you a password and signon as well? [12:31] address [12:32] he must know i wouldnt turn the volume up [12:33] not naughty like you guys [12:44] cooler today hey magespawn ? [12:45] still waiting for the sun to shine for more than 10 minutes [13:04] a little cooler today, still working with aricon and a fan [13:04] aircon [13:04] is that the one you posted in your channel? [13:05] ya [13:05] did he allow anyone to connect? [13:06] Symmetria you still around? [13:07] how come you showed online all night and this morning magespawn [13:07] pc stayed connected? [13:08] i am connected through a quasselcore in my shop [13:08] how are you connecting, what program? [13:08] oh and that stays connected? [13:08] xchat [13:08] yes the core stays on line as long as the server does [13:09] thats no good man then how must we know when to say wb [13:17] so say i have a bunch of programs piping things into each other and a program somewhere in the middle is a huge bottleneck, is there any way to get the latency on this chain reasonable? [13:18] because at the moment I'm at 700ms from one side to the other and I suspect it is caused by the pipe's buffering like crazy [13:18] pipes* [13:41] tonberryE352, cant you bypass some them pipes past the bottleneck [13:42] or is the bottlenecked program an important one there in the middle [13:45] cheers all, have a good evening [13:46] bottleneck is the part that talks to hardware [13:46] or duplicate that program and run it in parralel alongside its clone to share the load [13:46] so very important [13:46] its not a load problem [13:47] cpu can handle far higher speeds [13:56] lol [13:57] magespawn I trust kilos [13:57] :p [14:37] I was wondering if I could ask you a favour. I will understand if you say no symmetria [14:37] Kilos does xchat show you when the ppl are marked as away? [14:37] yes [14:38] they go gray [14:38] i try to mark my self as away, but sometimes i get disconnected before i can [14:38] and if you right click on the nick you can read away messages etc [14:39] lol\ [14:39] thats in settings you mark away [14:40] preferences under general [14:40] yup you can just use /away "reason" [14:40] like so [14:40] see no I am away [14:40] now [14:41] magespawn [14:41] see message [14:41] :p === Trix[a]r_za is now known as Trixar_za [14:43] heh [14:43] no man you not gray [14:44] was hold on [14:44] there something i think the fly called a bouncer to login from 2 p0laces [14:45] places [14:45] irc bouncer? [14:45] tell him superfly [14:45] head too sore to think [14:45] ah there you go magespawn [14:45] you gray now [14:46] hehe I still think its so cool you can use a webbrowser to browse to my amplifier and chose what you listening to [14:49] very clever that [14:49] Hey Kilos, magespawn and Symmetria [14:50] hi Trixar_za [14:50] heh we're trialing something at the moment on a university campus [14:50] to "extend the campus" [14:50] so that a lecturer can get a block of ip space [14:50] plug in a device on his side [14:50] and his house will vpn (encrypted, heavily) and route the space back to him [14:50] nice [14:51] but how is that different from a normal vpn? [14:51] tonberryE352 normal vpn's give a single ip address and nat everything [14:51] this is fully routed [14:51] ah [14:51] and this isnt a software client [14:51] oh [14:51] basically they get a router, they put in their dsl auth details from their provider [14:51] nice [14:52] and the router is pre-configured with the ip block theyg ot [14:52] so when they plug it in at home, they are suddenly on the campus [14:52] though we're looking for a cheaper router than what we're currently testing with, I suspect we'll end up with the srx 110's [14:52] we're using the srx 210's for testing and they arent practical price wise [14:52] (the dsl router Im using at home costs 10 grand) [14:53] but heh, not really suprising when you consider its encrypting all the traffic in hardware [14:53] so no performance hit [14:54] yeah vpn encryption at high bandwidth hurts [14:54] (technically you could establish this vpn on a linux box as well in the same way as we are using the dsl router, but the dsl router is kinda nice) [14:54] the other end of the vpn is a fortigate [14:54] later all [14:55] openwrt box if you really need to do it cheap? [14:55] hrm, I dont know if openwrt can do this [14:55] Symmetria: and how do you prevent abuse of corporate resources? [14:55] inetpro the fortinet can do a TON of interesting things [14:56] you can restrict *EXACTLY* what they can do [14:56] and how much bandwidth they can use [14:56] at the moment in testing I havent been applying any of those policies yet, but the functionality is there [14:56] ssh like thing on a random port? [14:57] generally, we apply a default deny on outbound other than permitted [14:58] and there is a load of authentication etc for a lot of things [14:58] interesting [14:58] * inetpro wbb [14:58] right now Im tryign to get v6 back to myself over this [14:58] haha [14:58] its not proving easy [15:11] hello [15:12] hi Squirm [15:43] tumbleweed, is this for clever peeps only or will the mails help me too [15:43] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Unity [15:44] hi acherv [15:44] didnt see you here [15:44] Kilos: is *what* for clever peeps only? that's just a wiki page about unity... [15:44] oh its a link in customizing unity [15:44] i get more info [15:45] By joining the Unity design mailing list, Roscoe can get first-hand, up-to-date information of [15:45] new developments in Unity, as well as being part of a se [15:45] must i change my nick to roscoe first [15:45] hehe [15:45] Maaz, unity customize [15:45] http://ubuntuone.com/4hBTr1gcwxorEcCRd2cgnW [15:46] thats what i am reading through [15:48] Have your email address added to the Unity design mailing list6. [15:48] dunno if i should add mine [15:50] Kilos: myyunity is fairly safe. As are most settings in cssm. But you can still totally break your desktop with ccsm if you aren't careful [15:51] yeah read that, i wont touch it [15:51] i thought that list might give some infoe now and again on improvements [15:52] mails i can work through in my own time [15:52] and speed [15:53] good afternoon all [15:55] lo charlvn [16:00] hi Kilos [16:04] sup charl [16:09] hey charlvn [16:10]