| len-dt | ailo, just so you know. I won't be around for a bit. The family is going camping. | 03:43 |
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| ailo | holstein: I think you can agree on that no matter if you use low latency or not, you need realtime operation to get reliable operation | 04:59 |
| ailo | I mean, even on large latencies, without realtime privilege, you will get audio dropouts, if you stress the system | 05:00 |
| ailo | No one who is planning on using Linux for audio is going to be happy about that | 05:00 |
| ailo | holstein: Realtime privilege in itself does not give you low latencty. It just make sure realtime apps won't be interrupted by the system | 05:01 |
| ailo | holstein: It's in combination with a low latency capable kernel you get that | 05:01 |
| ailo | I mean, in it's in combination with a low latency cabable kernel you get the really low latencies | 05:01 |
| ailo | Or, I should not say be interrupted by the system. Realtime apps get more priority | 05:02 |
| ailo | holstein: Anyway. Realtime privilege is more or less absolutely needed for someone who is going to be producing music | 05:03 |
| ailo | holstein: And, if they need really low latencies, they need -lowlatency | 05:04 |
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| smartboyhw | o/ ScottL I'm wondering: Will there be build errors again for Quantal?:) | 14:21 |
| ScottL | smartboyhw: i'm sure there will be, do you fear a particular build error? | 14:22 |
| smartboyhw | ScottL: I do. I don't have anything to test:) | 14:22 |
| ScottL | so you understand, ubuntu makes many changes, which sometimes breaks our stuff | 14:22 |
| smartboyhw | OK;) | 14:23 |
| ScottL | many times those breakages affect ubuntu as well as ubuntu studio, in those cases they get recognized and fixed by others | 14:23 |
| ScottL | however, a subset of those do not affect ubuntu, and therefore we have to discover, triage, and fix them | 14:23 |
| smartboyhw | It's 27th and still the build is of 21st. That's why I need to ask:) | 14:24 |
| ScottL | smartboyhw: BUT as a QA process, we must test the milestone images (i.e. the alphas, betas, RC, etc) | 14:24 |
| smartboyhw | ScottL: I know | 14:24 |
| ScottL | right, but we are required to test dailies necessarily | 14:24 |
| ScottL | however, i think i understand your concern, there haven't been any new images, therefore there must be a failed build | 14:24 |
| ScottL | i'll look at the mailing list queue and see what is stuck in there | 14:25 |
| smartboyhw | ScottL: Some packages are not updated I think (and those others told me that) | 14:25 |
| ScottL | i remember len-dt saying something about that | 14:25 |
| ScottL | some of these might be an issue the feature freeze (FF) | 14:25 |
| smartboyhw | :( | 14:26 |
| ScottL | but some might not, since we would be fixing bugs and not introducing new features | 14:26 |
| ScottL | i will see about talking to len and seeing where we stand on these and what we need to get done then | 14:26 |
| smartboyhw | :) | 14:27 |
| ailo | ScottL: len-dt was going camping. Don't know if he left yet | 14:31 |
| smartboyhw | len-dt really likes camping:) | 14:31 |
| ScottL | ailo: thanks | 14:53 |
| ScottL | ailo: have you started -controls? how is it going? | 14:53 |
| smartboyhw | Now, trying to see if len-dt | 14:55 |
| smartboyhw | 's problems about scroll bars in slideshow exist:) | 14:56 |
| smartboyhw | ScottL: Would you like to answer thebishop | 14:58 |
| smartboyhw | 's question in #ubuntustudio? I can't answer, I am not dev | 14:58 |
| ScottL | smartboyhw: i shall try | 15:01 |
| smartboyhw | Thanks:) | 15:02 |
| ScottL | you are welcome | 15:07 |
| ScottL | thank you for being a presence in that channel, it helps people understand that ubuntu studio isn't dead :P | 15:08 |
| smartboyhw | ;P | 15:08 |
| smartboyhw | ScottL: In that sense of way, why would people think Ubuntu Studio has been dead? | 15:09 |
| holstein | ailo: but, the lowlatency kernel comes by default now | 15:11 |
| holstein | ailo: what i am trying to dodge is "i have no need to lower my latency lower than what it is right not out of the box, but i read a few terms on the internet and id like to waste your time and mine by tweaking for about a month" | 15:12 |
| holstein | ailo: if someone says "i want to install the realtime kernel" i'll help.. i usually ask what they need it for, and suggest that maybe its not worththe hassle if they are a new user | 15:13 |
| holstein | ailo: i think a person could be doing podcasting and a lot of other arguably professional audio production and not have JACK running, realtime, or care anything about the kernel they are using | 15:19 |
| smartboyhw | I actually think almost no body that was busy using Ubuntu Studio for multimedia production would even know what kernel he is using:) | 15:20 |
| holstein | well, if you want under 1ms latency, you'll probabaly want to learn about it | 15:21 |
| holstein | i just argue that most folks dont need it.. they read a term and also some FUD on audio lists about how ubuntustudio sucks and doesnt even have a realtime kernel and they think they are missing something | 15:22 |
| holstein | i can totally understand that, but typically, when you ask, the user is not doing anything they need JACK for | 15:22 |
| holstein | ive been helping folks before and we get JACK running and a realtime kernel and then they want to convert a wav to mp3 or something that just doesnt need JACK | 15:23 |
| smartboyhw | Uh o | 15:24 |
| smartboyhw | *oh | 15:24 |
| ScottL | smartboyhw: i would say that if anyone went to #ubuntustudio (as we tell them to do in various places) and they either don't get a response for three days or possible even never get a response, then i would posit that this sends an unfortunate message to users | 15:24 |
| smartboyhw | ScottL: Not understanding the last sentence. BTW, read my PM. | 15:25 |
| ScottL | smartboyhw: if we don't have people in #ubuntustudio channel answering questions, or at least saying they will find someone to answer them, then it gives the impression that ubuntu studio, as a whole, is not active | 15:26 |
| smartboyhw | Ah | 15:26 |
| smartboyhw | Well, holstein is trying to help now:) | 15:27 |
| holstein | like this guy... "im trying to use the firewire driver with a USB device" | 15:40 |
| knome | holstein, that's useful! | 15:40 |
| holstein | all this guy needs is audactiy to work with an external USB device | 15:40 |
| smartboyhw | :) | 15:40 |
| holstein | he could have *any* other ubuntu variant, or main ubuntu and use pavucontrol | 15:40 |
| holstein | instead, he's looking at our docs and trying JACK with a firewiere driver for some reason | 15:41 |
| holstein | this guy doesnt need ubuntustudio | 15:41 |
| smartboyhw | True | 15:41 |
| holstein | to have a user on his level come to us with a simple task and have such a hard time, in my opinion, only makes us look bad as a whole | 15:42 |
| smartboyhw | People seemed confused of what Ubuntu Studio is now:( | 15:42 |
| holstein | this guys story will go "all i wanted was to open audacity like i always have in windows and record something" | 15:42 |
| holstein | "ubuntu sucks" | 15:42 |
| holstein | which, is far from the case.. its just a bit of mis-information and a big change in work flow | 15:43 |
| smartboyhw | holstein: No, he will mean "Ubuntu Studio sucks" then... | 15:43 |
| holstein | smartboyhw: we'll see... it usually gets shortened ;) | 15:44 |
| holstein | regardless, we are representatives of the entire community, and i just want to be clear | 15:44 |
| smartboyhw | ;) Sure, since Ubuntu Studio is a flavor of ubuntu then he will end up saying "Ubuntu sucks" That's the last thing we want:( | 15:44 |
| ScottL | micahg: are you aware of anything that len-dt might have done that still needs to be uploaded to the repos? | 16:08 |
| ScottL | micahg: these might or might not involved FFe's | 16:09 |
| ScottL | or requiring FFe's, i am presuming the majority do NOT require them | 16:09 |
| smartboyhw | Bye a;; | 16:24 |
| smartboyhw | *all | 16:24 |
| ailo | ScottL: I'm tied up with other things at the moment. Going to wrap up some testing scripts first. Probably, I won't finish most things in time for final release. I just don't have enough times per day | 16:49 |
| ailo | I'm practically coding every waking moment, except for when I'm eating or working out at the moment | 16:49 |
| ScottL | wow | 16:50 |
| ScottL | let me know if i can help with anything | 16:50 |
| ailo | Sadly, I have another project that just has to be finished soon, which is not US related | 16:50 |
| ailo | ScottL: I'm not so concerned about the release date right now. I just want to finish what I've started | 16:51 |
| ailo | ScottL: I'll finish all my tasks, sometime this fall. After that, I'll step back from US development for a while | 16:51 |
| ScottL | ailo: that's completely understandable | 16:52 |
| ScottL | ailo: to be honest, even if you get it the -controls stuff done after release, then it's still done | 16:52 |
| ailo | As long as it gets done, yeah. I also want to push it into debian, in another form, with another name, so there's some things to consider there too | 16:53 |
| ailo | I think later, I'll be inclined to join the Debian multimedia team | 16:54 |
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