[03:43] ailo, just so you know. I won't be around for a bit. The family is going camping. [04:59] holstein: I think you can agree on that no matter if you use low latency or not, you need realtime operation to get reliable operation [05:00] I mean, even on large latencies, without realtime privilege, you will get audio dropouts, if you stress the system [05:00] No one who is planning on using Linux for audio is going to be happy about that [05:01] holstein: Realtime privilege in itself does not give you low latencty. It just make sure realtime apps won't be interrupted by the system [05:01] holstein: It's in combination with a low latency capable kernel you get that [05:01] I mean, in it's in combination with a low latency cabable kernel you get the really low latencies [05:02] Or, I should not say be interrupted by the system. Realtime apps get more priority [05:03] holstein: Anyway. Realtime privilege is more or less absolutely needed for someone who is going to be producing music [05:04] holstein: And, if they need really low latencies, they need -lowlatency === jussio1 is now known as jussi === scott-work is now known as Guest49317 [14:21] o/ ScottL I'm wondering: Will there be build errors again for Quantal?:) [14:22] smartboyhw: i'm sure there will be, do you fear a particular build error? [14:22] ScottL: I do. I don't have anything to test:) [14:22] so you understand, ubuntu makes many changes, which sometimes breaks our stuff [14:23] OK;) [14:23] many times those breakages affect ubuntu as well as ubuntu studio, in those cases they get recognized and fixed by others [14:23] however, a subset of those do not affect ubuntu, and therefore we have to discover, triage, and fix them [14:24] It's 27th and still the build is of 21st. That's why I need to ask:) [14:24] smartboyhw: BUT as a QA process, we must test the milestone images (i.e. the alphas, betas, RC, etc) [14:24] ScottL: I know [14:24] right, but we are required to test dailies necessarily [14:24] however, i think i understand your concern, there haven't been any new images, therefore there must be a failed build [14:25] i'll look at the mailing list queue and see what is stuck in there [14:25] ScottL: Some packages are not updated I think (and those others told me that) [14:25] i remember len-dt saying something about that [14:25] some of these might be an issue the feature freeze (FF) [14:26] :( [14:26] but some might not, since we would be fixing bugs and not introducing new features [14:26] i will see about talking to len and seeing where we stand on these and what we need to get done then [14:27] :) [14:31] ScottL: len-dt was going camping. Don't know if he left yet [14:31] len-dt really likes camping:) [14:53] ailo: thanks [14:53] ailo: have you started -controls? how is it going? [14:55] Now, trying to see if len-dt [14:56] 's problems about scroll bars in slideshow exist:) [14:58] ScottL: Would you like to answer thebishop [14:58] 's question in #ubuntustudio? I can't answer, I am not dev [15:01] smartboyhw: i shall try [15:02] Thanks:) [15:07] you are welcome [15:08] thank you for being a presence in that channel, it helps people understand that ubuntu studio isn't dead :P [15:08] ;P [15:09] ScottL: In that sense of way, why would people think Ubuntu Studio has been dead? [15:11] ailo: but, the lowlatency kernel comes by default now [15:12] ailo: what i am trying to dodge is "i have no need to lower my latency lower than what it is right not out of the box, but i read a few terms on the internet and id like to waste your time and mine by tweaking for about a month" [15:13] ailo: if someone says "i want to install the realtime kernel" i'll help.. i usually ask what they need it for, and suggest that maybe its not worththe hassle if they are a new user [15:19] ailo: i think a person could be doing podcasting and a lot of other arguably professional audio production and not have JACK running, realtime, or care anything about the kernel they are using [15:20] I actually think almost no body that was busy using Ubuntu Studio for multimedia production would even know what kernel he is using:) [15:21] well, if you want under 1ms latency, you'll probabaly want to learn about it [15:22] i just argue that most folks dont need it.. they read a term and also some FUD on audio lists about how ubuntustudio sucks and doesnt even have a realtime kernel and they think they are missing something [15:22] i can totally understand that, but typically, when you ask, the user is not doing anything they need JACK for [15:23] ive been helping folks before and we get JACK running and a realtime kernel and then they want to convert a wav to mp3 or something that just doesnt need JACK [15:24] Uh o [15:24] *oh [15:24] smartboyhw: i would say that if anyone went to #ubuntustudio (as we tell them to do in various places) and they either don't get a response for three days or possible even never get a response, then i would posit that this sends an unfortunate message to users [15:25] ScottL: Not understanding the last sentence. BTW, read my PM. [15:26] smartboyhw: if we don't have people in #ubuntustudio channel answering questions, or at least saying they will find someone to answer them, then it gives the impression that ubuntu studio, as a whole, is not active [15:26] Ah [15:27] Well, holstein is trying to help now:) [15:40] like this guy... "im trying to use the firewire driver with a USB device" [15:40] holstein, that's useful! [15:40] all this guy needs is audactiy to work with an external USB device [15:40] :) [15:40] he could have *any* other ubuntu variant, or main ubuntu and use pavucontrol [15:41] instead, he's looking at our docs and trying JACK with a firewiere driver for some reason [15:41] this guy doesnt need ubuntustudio [15:41] True [15:42] to have a user on his level come to us with a simple task and have such a hard time, in my opinion, only makes us look bad as a whole [15:42] People seemed confused of what Ubuntu Studio is now:( [15:42] this guys story will go "all i wanted was to open audacity like i always have in windows and record something" [15:42] "ubuntu sucks" [15:43] which, is far from the case.. its just a bit of mis-information and a big change in work flow [15:43] holstein: No, he will mean "Ubuntu Studio sucks" then... [15:44] smartboyhw: we'll see... it usually gets shortened ;) [15:44] regardless, we are representatives of the entire community, and i just want to be clear [15:44] ;) Sure, since Ubuntu Studio is a flavor of ubuntu then he will end up saying "Ubuntu sucks" That's the last thing we want:( [16:08] micahg: are you aware of anything that len-dt might have done that still needs to be uploaded to the repos? [16:09] micahg: these might or might not involved FFe's [16:09] or requiring FFe's, i am presuming the majority do NOT require them [16:24] Bye a;; [16:24] *all [16:49] ScottL: I'm tied up with other things at the moment. Going to wrap up some testing scripts first. Probably, I won't finish most things in time for final release. I just don't have enough times per day [16:49] I'm practically coding every waking moment, except for when I'm eating or working out at the moment [16:50] wow [16:50] let me know if i can help with anything [16:50] Sadly, I have another project that just has to be finished soon, which is not US related [16:51] ScottL: I'm not so concerned about the release date right now. I just want to finish what I've started [16:51] ScottL: I'll finish all my tasks, sometime this fall. After that, I'll step back from US development for a while [16:52] ailo: that's completely understandable [16:52] ailo: to be honest, even if you get it the -controls stuff done after release, then it's still done [16:53] As long as it gets done, yeah. I also want to push it into debian, in another form, with another name, so there's some things to consider there too [16:54] I think later, I'll be inclined to join the Debian multimedia team