[03:43] <len-dt> ailo, just so you know. I won't be around for a bit. The family is going camping.
[04:59] <ailo> holstein: I think you can agree on that no matter if you use low latency or not, you need realtime operation to get reliable operation
[05:00] <ailo> I mean, even on large latencies, without realtime privilege, you will get audio dropouts, if you stress the system
[05:00] <ailo> No one who is planning on using Linux for audio is going to be happy about that
[05:01] <ailo> holstein: Realtime privilege in itself does not give you low latencty. It just make sure realtime apps won't be interrupted by the system
[05:01] <ailo> holstein: It's in combination with a low latency capable kernel you get that
[05:01] <ailo> I mean, in it's in combination with a low latency cabable kernel you get the really low latencies
[05:02] <ailo> Or, I should not say be interrupted by the system. Realtime apps get more priority
[05:03] <ailo> holstein: Anyway. Realtime privilege is more or less absolutely needed for someone who is going to be producing music
[05:04] <ailo> holstein: And, if they need really low latencies, they need -lowlatency
[14:21] <smartboyhw> o/ ScottL I'm wondering: Will there be build errors again for Quantal?:)
[14:22] <ScottL> smartboyhw: i'm sure there will be, do you fear a particular build error?
[14:22] <smartboyhw> ScottL: I do. I don't have anything to test:)
[14:22] <ScottL> so you understand, ubuntu makes many changes, which sometimes breaks our stuff
[14:23] <smartboyhw> OK;)
[14:23] <ScottL> many times those breakages affect ubuntu as well as ubuntu studio, in those cases they get recognized and fixed by others
[14:23] <ScottL> however, a subset of those do not affect ubuntu, and therefore we have to discover, triage, and fix them
[14:24] <smartboyhw> It's 27th and still the build is of 21st. That's why I need to ask:)
[14:24] <ScottL> smartboyhw: BUT as a QA process, we must test the milestone images (i.e. the alphas, betas, RC, etc)
[14:24] <smartboyhw> ScottL: I know
[14:24] <ScottL> right, but we are required to test dailies necessarily
[14:24] <ScottL> however, i think i understand your concern, there haven't been any new images, therefore there must be a failed build
[14:25] <ScottL> i'll look at the mailing list queue and see what is stuck in there
[14:25] <smartboyhw> ScottL: Some packages are not updated I think (and those others told me that)
[14:25] <ScottL> i remember len-dt  saying something about that
[14:25] <ScottL> some of these might be an issue the feature freeze (FF)
[14:26] <smartboyhw> :(
[14:26] <ScottL> but some might not, since we would be fixing bugs and not introducing new features
[14:26] <ScottL> i will see about talking to len and seeing where we stand on these and what we need to get done then
[14:27] <smartboyhw> :)
[14:31] <ailo> ScottL: len-dt was going camping. Don't know if he left yet
[14:31] <smartboyhw> len-dt really likes camping:)
[14:53] <ScottL> ailo: thanks
[14:53] <ScottL> ailo: have you started -controls? how is it going?
[14:55] <smartboyhw> Now, trying to see if len-dt
[14:56] <smartboyhw> 's problems about scroll bars in slideshow exist:)
[14:58] <smartboyhw> ScottL: Would you like to answer thebishop
[14:58] <smartboyhw> 's question in #ubuntustudio? I can't answer, I am not dev
[15:01] <ScottL> smartboyhw: i shall try
[15:02] <smartboyhw> Thanks:)
[15:07] <ScottL> you are welcome
[15:08] <ScottL> thank you for being a presence in that channel, it helps people understand that ubuntu studio isn't dead :P
[15:08] <smartboyhw> ;P
[15:09] <smartboyhw> ScottL: In that sense of way, why would people think Ubuntu Studio has been dead?
[15:11] <holstein> ailo: but, the lowlatency kernel comes by default now
[15:12] <holstein> ailo: what i am trying to dodge is "i have no need to lower my latency lower than what it is right not out of the box, but i read a few terms on the internet and id like to waste your time and mine by tweaking for about a month"
[15:13] <holstein> ailo: if someone says "i want to install the realtime kernel" i'll help.. i usually ask what they need it for, and suggest that maybe its not worththe hassle if they are a new user
[15:19] <holstein> ailo: i think a person could be doing podcasting and a lot of other arguably professional audio production and not have JACK running, realtime, or care anything about the kernel they are using
[15:20] <smartboyhw> I actually think almost no body that was busy using Ubuntu Studio for multimedia production would even know what kernel he is using:)
[15:21] <holstein> well, if you want under 1ms latency, you'll probabaly want to learn about it
[15:22] <holstein> i just argue that most folks dont need it.. they read a term and also some FUD on audio lists about how ubuntustudio sucks and doesnt even have a realtime kernel and they think they are missing something
[15:22] <holstein> i can totally understand that, but typically, when you ask, the user is not doing anything they need JACK for
[15:23] <holstein> ive been helping folks before and we get JACK running and a realtime kernel and then they want to convert a wav to mp3 or something that just doesnt need JACK
[15:24] <smartboyhw> Uh o
[15:24] <smartboyhw> *oh
[15:24] <ScottL> smartboyhw: i would say that if anyone went to #ubuntustudio (as we tell them to do in various places) and they either don't get a response for three days or possible even never get a response, then i would posit that this sends an unfortunate message to users
[15:25] <smartboyhw> ScottL: Not understanding the last sentence. BTW, read my PM.
[15:26] <ScottL> smartboyhw: if we don't have people in #ubuntustudio channel answering questions, or at least saying they will find someone to answer them, then it gives the impression that ubuntu studio, as a whole, is not active
[15:26] <smartboyhw> Ah
[15:27] <smartboyhw> Well, holstein is trying to help now:)
[15:40] <holstein> like this guy... "im trying to use the firewire driver with a USB device"
[15:40] <knome> holstein, that's useful!
[15:40] <holstein> all this guy needs is audactiy to work with an external USB device
[15:40] <smartboyhw> :)
[15:40] <holstein> he could have *any* other ubuntu variant, or main ubuntu and use pavucontrol
[15:41] <holstein> instead, he's looking at our docs and trying JACK with a firewiere driver for some reason
[15:41] <holstein> this guy doesnt need ubuntustudio
[15:41] <smartboyhw> True
[15:42] <holstein> to have a user on his level come to us with a simple task and have such a hard time, in my opinion, only makes us look bad as a whole
[15:42] <smartboyhw> People seemed confused of what Ubuntu Studio is now:(
[15:42] <holstein> this guys story will go "all i wanted was to open audacity like i always have in windows and record something"
[15:42] <holstein> "ubuntu sucks"
[15:43] <holstein> which, is far from the case.. its just a bit of mis-information and a big change in work flow
[15:43] <smartboyhw> holstein: No, he will mean "Ubuntu Studio sucks" then...
[15:44] <holstein> smartboyhw: we'll see... it usually gets shortened ;)
[15:44] <holstein> regardless, we are representatives of the entire community, and i just want to be clear
[15:44] <smartboyhw> ;) Sure, since Ubuntu Studio is a flavor of ubuntu then he will end up saying "Ubuntu sucks" That's the last thing we want:(
[16:08] <ScottL> micahg: are you aware of anything that len-dt might have done that still needs to be uploaded to the repos?
[16:09] <ScottL> micahg: these might or might not involved FFe's
[16:09] <ScottL> or requiring FFe's, i am presuming the majority do NOT require them
[16:24] <smartboyhw> Bye a;;
[16:24] <smartboyhw> *all
[16:49] <ailo> ScottL: I'm tied up with other things at the moment. Going to wrap up some testing scripts first. Probably, I won't finish most things in time for final release. I just don't have enough times per day
[16:49] <ailo> I'm practically coding every waking moment, except for when I'm eating or working out at the moment
[16:50] <ScottL> wow
[16:50] <ScottL> let me know if i can help with anything
[16:50] <ailo> Sadly, I have another project that just has to be finished soon, which is not US related
[16:51] <ailo> ScottL: I'm not so concerned about the release date right now. I just want to finish what I've started
[16:51] <ailo> ScottL: I'll finish all my tasks, sometime this fall. After that, I'll step back from US development for a while
[16:52] <ScottL> ailo: that's completely understandable
[16:52] <ScottL> ailo: to be honest, even if you get it the -controls stuff done after release, then it's still done
[16:53] <ailo> As long as it gets done, yeah. I also want to push it into debian, in another form, with another name, so there's some things to consider there too
[16:54] <ailo> I think later, I'll be inclined to join the Debian multimedia team