[02:36] <shadeslayer> Riddell: could you please upload ktp from my ppa?
[06:11] <jussi> shadeslayer: ping
[06:12] <jussi> shadeslayer: I was just thinking empathy does the password stuff - perhaps its useful to have a look at their code to see how they have implemented it with GTK
[06:17] <shadeslayer> ofcoure
[06:17] <shadeslayer> *ofcourse
[06:21] <jussi> btw, does anyone have any recomendations for an alternate mail client to kmail? (its just far too buggy to be useable atm)
[06:24] <Mamarok> I have grub update problems since 2 days, is this a known problem right now? 64bit system here
[06:44] <valorie> jussi, last I tried tbird it worked
[06:45] <valorie> seems huge and clumsy to me though
[06:45] <jussi> yes, tbird works, but Im looking for somethign Qt
[06:45] <valorie> I want kmail back
[06:45] <valorie> :(
[06:45] <valorie> it was my favorite ever
[06:46] <valorie> now it won't even start
[06:48] <shadeslayer> jussi: use mutt :P
[06:48]  * jussi slaps shadeslayer
[06:48] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: grub update issues?
[06:48] <shadeslayer> ow
[06:48] <Mamarok> something is fishy with the 3.5.0-12 kernel update on my side
[06:49] <Mamarok> I had the kernel packages waiting for dependencies for weeks, and since yesterday the grub update fails
[06:49] <shadeslayer> hm
[06:49] <shadeslayer> the latest is  -13 I believe
[06:50] <shadeslayer> but I can't upgrade to that for some reason
[06:50] <Mamarok> well, I can't update to that version, seems something is missing, the two packages linux-headers-generic and linux-image-generic are waiting fro some dependency
[06:51] <shadeslayer> yep
[06:51] <shadeslayer> that's it
[06:51] <shadeslayer> Mamarok:  linux-image-generic : Depends: linux-image-3.5.0-13-generic but it is not installable
[06:51] <Mamarok> yes, and why is that?
[06:52] <shadeslayer> dunno, -13 isn't available, but launchpad says it's there
[06:52] <Mamarok> I get that message since over a week now
[06:52] <shadeslayer> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux
[06:52] <shadeslayer> likewise
[07:39] <jussi> BTW, I followed up with Ingwa over Calligra updates, suggested official ubuntu backports for them. so if someone has time to get the latest versions into official backports, I think he would be pleased about that, and it would be nice to show some comitment to solving upstreams distro issues.
[08:04] <shadeslayer> hmm
[08:04] <shadeslayer> jussi: lookign
[08:04] <shadeslayer> *looking
[08:04] <shadeslayer> jussi: but we have 2.5.0 in the repos
[08:04] <shadeslayer> or did you mean precise?
[08:05] <jussi> yes
[08:05] <shadeslayer> isn't precise in one of the PPA's
[08:06] <jussi> yes, it is. point is to get it into the official ubuntu backports
[08:06] <shadeslayer> ah ok
[08:06] <jussi> so its a simple test (done) and file thebackports bug, bug the backports team
[08:07] <shadeslayer> that would be ScottK :P
[08:07]  * shadeslayer checks for bug reports
[08:08] <shadeslayer> boo, LP doesn't have Needs Info
[08:09] <tsimpson> that's what Incomplete is for, no?
[08:10] <shadeslayer> I find Needs info to be a better string than Incomplete then
[08:10] <shadeslayer> !find org.kde.metadatamodels
[08:11] <shadeslayer> !find org.kde.metadatamodels quantal
[08:11] <shadeslayer> hm ...
[08:48] <Riddell> ryanakca: we haven't had it set up, mparillo is going to reply suggesting he can do the support page
[08:48] <Riddell> the italian language one
[09:24] <shadeslayer> my X broke after the last upgrade 
[09:32] <jussi> shadeslayer: nvidia?
[09:35] <shadeslayer> ATi
[09:35] <jussi> heh, soudns fun :P
[09:35] <shadeslayer> xorg.log says it can't find any devices
[09:36] <jussi> quantal ftw :P
[09:37] <shadeslayer> :(
[09:46] <afiestas> got the same error I got a week/10days ago
[09:46] <afiestas> when I installed
[09:46] <afiestas> so the error is persistent, not nothing that happened puntually because of launchpad/repos/things
[09:46] <afiestas> this time I do have time to give you anty debug info you ask me so ask :p
[09:47] <afiestas> the error I see in the screen is a X11 window with the following
[09:47] <afiestas> ; unable to launch "/usr/bin/startkde" X session --- "/usr/bin/startkde" not found; failing back to deafult session.
[09:48] <jussi> afiestas: tred reinstalling kubuntu-desktop ?
[09:48] <afiestas> indeed apt is asking to install stuff
[09:48] <afiestas> I'm not in a hurry of having a stable system this time
[09:49] <afiestas> is there any debug info I can give you?
[09:49] <afiestas> like apt logs or something?
[09:49] <jussi> afiestas: not my thing to fix, but I remebe someone else with a similar issue and being told to try that...
[09:50] <afiestas> jussi: it may fix the issue but it won't fix the root couse
[09:50] <afiestas> why can I break my system by updating it
[09:50] <jussi> afiestas: true.
[09:50] <afiestas> no message at all (in the interface) that anything was going to be removed
[09:52] <afiestas> shadeslayer: ?
[09:53] <shadeslayer> whut
[09:53] <shadeslayer> I don't follow, what are we talking about here ?
[09:55] <shadeslayer> oh .. make sure kubuntu desktop is installed ?
[09:56] <jussi> yes...
[09:56] <shadeslayer> I am currently crippled as well
[09:56] <shadeslayer> X is kaput 
[09:56] <Riddell> afiestas: send us /var/log/apt/history.log and /var/log/apt/term.log if you can
[09:59] <afiestas> installing sshd
[10:07] <shadeslayer> bleh, X people have no idea how to fix 
[10:09] <afiestas> http://paste.kde.org/540548/
[10:10] <jussi> rekonq is a big bunch of fail
[10:12] <afiestas> http://paste.kde.org/540554/
[10:13] <mikhas> why not stick with dolphin then?
[10:13] <tsimpson> because dolphin is not a web browser ;)
[10:13] <jussi> what tsimpson said...
[10:14] <jussi> ie. try opening afiestas' first paste with rekonq
[10:15] <Riddell> afiestas: spooky
[10:15] <Riddell> afiestas: what did you do to run the upgrade?
[10:18] <mikhas> web browser, really? everyone I know uses either Chromium or Firefox
[10:19] <afiestas> Riddell: muon
[10:19] <mikhas> I have consider rekonq and epiphany (the GNOME equivalent) as a total waste of time and resources.
[10:21] <jussi> mikhas: yeah, I use firefox regularly, but I often try out Rekonq as it is our default.
[10:21] <Riddell> jtechidna: muon-updater does a dist-upgrde right?
[10:22] <Riddell> jtechidna: I worry that afiestas is having stuff removed rather than just dist-upgrade http://paste.kde.org/540548/
[10:23] <Riddell> afiestas: are there any problems if you apt-get install kubuntu-desktop now ?
[10:28] <debfx> dist-upgrade can remove packages, that's what it's supposed to do
[10:29] <Riddell> mm good point
[10:29] <debfx> some package was uninstallable so apt decided to remove it and all rdepends
[10:29] <debfx> hard to tell now which one
[10:31] <shadeslayer> whee, utterly broken system
[10:47] <afiestas> Riddell: I guess it will get fixed
[10:47] <afiestas> do you have all the debug info do you need?
[10:50] <afiestas> kde-workspace-bin got installed :p
[10:53] <Riddell> I can't think of more debug info we can get, I'll run some tests to see if I can recreate anything
[11:22] <afiestas> Riddell: these are the steps:
[11:22] <afiestas> 1-install quantal 3 alpha image
[11:22] <afiestas> 2- install it, checking "auto log in"
[11:22] <afiestas> 3-choose update and install third party software too
[11:22] <afiestas> 4-execute muon, upgrade
[11:22] <afiestas> 5-reboot, crash
[11:23] <afiestas> Rekonq 1.1 is out btw
[11:23] <afiestas> somebody should package it
[11:32] <Riddell> !newversion rekonq 1.1
[11:32] <Riddell> hmm
[11:33] <Riddell> kubotu: newversion rekonq 1.1
[11:33] <kubotu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1042702
[11:33] <Riddell> yay
[11:38] <Riddell> kubuntu-ppa/backports is full, I'm going to remove oneiric packages
[13:17] <ryanakca> Riddell: Ah, it was sent to multiple people :) Excellent.
[14:50] <yofel> for those that missed it and are interested: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek starts in 10min
[15:12] <Riddell> apachelogger: not found a better way to track your todo list than /topic yet?
[15:12] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1013626] systemsettings crashed with ImportError in /usr/share/kde4/apps/language-selector/language... @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1013626 (by Xavier Besnard)